Dredd came out in 2012 while The Raid came out in 2011. However, Dredd took far longer to develop. Its script (named "Peach Trees") was leaked in 2010 or something like that, and Gareth Evans wrote the script for The Raid like a month after it leaked.
>Dredd came out in 2012 while The Raid came out in 2011. However, Dredd took far longer to develop. Its script (named "Peach Trees") was leaked in 2010 or something like that, and Gareth Evans wrote the script for The Raid like a month after it leaked.
Not this bullshit again. Gareth Evans had his idea for The Raid way before Dredd's script draft leaked.
The original Raid was supposed to be a combination of 1 and 2. Instead of an apartment complex it was all supposed to be set inside a prison, and the point was to have narrow enclosures and close-quarter combat.
Since he didn't have the funding for the latter he broke it up and made the first in an apartment instead.
Loved Dredd but it’s a different type of movie. You can’t do a martial arts movie with Hollywood stars since they need to actually know martial arts. The closest you get is something like Wesley Snipes. Jackie doesn’t count.
He's fighting everyone in the building, you think it's wise to simply knock them out and move on to the next person, when the first person wakes up and dogpiles on him with the current person he's fighting.
i know were talking about movie fights but usually when someone gets knocked out, like knocked out hard enough to lose consciousness for a good few minutes, which was what was happening to most of the goons in the raid, when they wake up again they usually dont have all their motor functions together. and also they will probably be suffering from a concussion. most likely they wont even be able to walk straight. so no, i dont think it was necessary for the majority of the bad guys. in any case i dont remember that much arm breaking in the raid, i think that was more the raid 2. the first raid was more about slicing and cutting various tendons and ligaments in the knees
Tom Yum Goong has better fight scenes than Ong Bak
Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong have the same exact storyline. The fight scenes were revolutionary for their time but never made an impact.
The Raid 1 and 2 not only topped it but actually changed the industry forever. It's also far more diverse and has gun-fu elements.
I watched the first ong bock because the outfit in sleeping dogs looked cool. The movie was really boring and had little action.
Hate when action movies aren't action packed tbh. The ideal action film is the raid with industrial music.
>The ideal action film is the raid with industrial music.
You mean the Mike Shinoda score? Shame that the original Indonesian score is completely buried. I've only listened to the latter soundtrack separately and it has more of the survival-horror feel that director Gareth Evans was going for in TR1 as opposed to the technopunk vibe of the international score.
>No. I mean industrial music. Just strip the lyrics from some industrial band and use that. Works for games.
Has anyone made one, or is this just an idea? It's too close to the international score though so I don't see what's the point.
>Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong have the same exact storyline.
That's not true, Tom Yum Goong has an elephant.
>That's not true, Tom Yum Goong has an elephant.
Replace Buddha statue with elephant.
Keep everything the same. Who writes this shit, lol?
Wait, what? There was a separate? Jesus. Either way, it is what it is I guess. To be fair though the only piece that stands out to me was the one during the finale of Rama and Andi vs. Mad Dog.
>Wait, what? There was a separate? Jesus. Either way, it is what it is I guess.
I think the Blu-Ray disc has the OG score as an alternate audio option.
Here's the original soundtrack for The Raid 1 by Aria Prayogi & Fajar Yuskemal.
Wait, what? There was a separate? Jesus. Either way, it is what it is I guess. To be fair though the only piece that stands out to me was the one during the finale of Rama and Andi vs. Mad Dog.
>Ong Bak never made an impact.
The Raid is directly influenced by Ong Bak. Ong Bak => Merantau => The Raid. Also Ong Bak was pretty influential in general with its emphasis on hard hits and falls for the stuntmen and throwing in tricking moves (Ong Bak didn't invent them but you saw a lot more afterward, it definitely made a splash).
I watched the first ong bock because the outfit in sleeping dogs looked cool. The movie was really boring and had little action.
Hate when action movies aren't action packed tbh. The ideal action film is the raid with industrial music.
As a whole, you’re probably right. Taken on their own, the ending couple of fights in Raid 2 I think surpass any in 1 in choreography and intensity. The problem is Raid 2 is so bloated, you’re pretty desensitized by the time those fights actually happen.
Still I find Raid 2 to be a supremely comfy movies, and I don’t know why.
I think Raid 2's runtime isn't really a problem with the film. It's a problem with people's expectations for the film, coming from the first one, which was 80 minutes of nothing but ass-beating. If the sequel was part of a different franchise I think you'd see a lot less complaints. The runtime's justified, it's just not what people expected from the sequel to The Raid and people were put off by it. I compare it to season 2 of The Wire. It's great television, but tons of people drop the show because it's completely different from what they were expecting based on season 1.
Also the car chase in 2 is the high water mark for both films so it's got that going for it. Both films are great.
I dont think the Raid 2 should've been called "Raid 2".
It was a different story, with different characters. They even re-used some of the actors from the first one for different characters (Mad Dog -> bum divorced assasin).
Plot was only extremely loosely connected. Pacing was nowhere near the same. (nearly constant action vs bursts of action surrounded by organized crime drama stuff)
They only re-used the actor for Mad Dog as a different character. Everything else fit in perfectly.
The Raid was one mission over one night.
The Raid 2 was the outside world, and spanned 3 or 4 years. Rama/Yuda was in prison for 2.5 years.
I enjoyed The Raid and was glad that a martial arts movie with skilled performers got hype, but I don't really care for its style of fight scenes. Camera moves too much (it's still way better than mainstream western stuff, but I like to see some steady shots now and then) and in the 1 v 1s the guys keep bashing each other so hard repeatedly that it becomes repetitive and desensitizes you to the impacts, without much pacing or sense that they're getting injured or flow to the fight. I'm thinking of the Mad Dog fights in particular. I'll also not a big fan of going EXTRA BRUTAL in martial arts films because it's all a bunch of fantasy fighting nonsense anyway so I don't see the point of pretending that blood and throat slitting and machetes or whatever makes it more gritty and realistic. But I'm not hating on The Raid. It's cool.
The fight with The Assassin at the end of 2 is probably my biggest complaint with the movie. Dudes rip each other to shreds and nobody really shows it for more than a second until one of them dies. I get that the movie wasn't trying to be realistic at this point but still I've got limits.
I always found his beatings to be unfair. Like he'll stab one guy in the thigh with a dagger and drag it down to the kneecap so he'll probably never walk again and then the next guy he'll kick in the head and ko
This series would blow my dad's brain,he is in love with Statham and Seagal movies or any movie where le epic Chad manlet beats everyone up but I legit get goosebumps everytime I watch the Mad Dog and kitchen fight scene
And that's cool too. Not every fight has to be about how the hero has to absolutely come out of every confrontation unscathed. You can still have some pretty good fights where the protagonist and antagonist get some back and forth during the battle.
In both the raid and the raid 2 the enemies dance around and take turns fighting the hero 1 on 1. They just flail about and wait their turn to get maimed/paralyzed/killed. Theyre like the putties in power rangers.
Couple of points I want to make:
1. That is a problem in the vast majority of martial arts movies; seeing henchmen waiting in the background for their turn to get their ass kicked. You see this in almost every single martial arts movie that has ever been made. So it isn't fair to single out the Raid films for this issue.
2. This is only a problem in Raid 2. In Raid 1 you actually DON'T see henchmen waiting in the background for their turn to fight since almost all the fight scenes take place in narrow halls and small rooms. You'll see the MC fight one henchman then another will burst out of a room next to him or run around the corner for his turn to fight. Is it realistic? No, but it is a clever way to hide that problem almost all of these movies have.
Yes and no. When I was describing this movie to a friend one thing I remember mentioning was how I appreciated that the fighting starts off with guns, then as you will inevitably run out of ammo starts spiraling into melee weapons and then eventually just beating the shit out of each other. I thought it was a cool progression- or regression, depending on how you look at it.
Yes and no. When I was describing this movie to a friend one thing I remember mentioning was how I appreciated that the fighting starts off with guns, then as you will inevitably run out of ammo starts spiraling into melee weapons and then eventually just beating the shit out of each other. I thought it was a cool progression- or regression, depending on how you look at it.
I really wish Gareth Evans would return to his senses and make a gun-fu / heroic bloodshed movie starring Eka (Oka Antara). His character in The Raid 2 is massively underrated. The porn-den gun fight and car chase are just so good.
He needs a spin-off prequel or something. The Raid 3 will never happen, and based on what Gareth's said about his plot for if it were to have happened, it would completely ruin the franchise since it gets absurd (running off the jungle, linking up with some old woman, etc), but a prequel where gangsta Eka has his own isolated story would work real well without fricking up the overall story.
The sequel was better, imo
Both are great
Dredd topped it
It didn't but I love them both.
Dredd started production before The Raid and was written before it as well.
Both are rip-offs of Die Hard anyway.
Which came out first? And how many months/years after did the other movie come out afterwards,?
Dredd came out in 2012 while The Raid came out in 2011. However, Dredd took far longer to develop. Its script (named "Peach Trees") was leaked in 2010 or something like that, and Gareth Evans wrote the script for The Raid like a month after it leaked.
>Dredd came out in 2012 while The Raid came out in 2011. However, Dredd took far longer to develop. Its script (named "Peach Trees") was leaked in 2010 or something like that, and Gareth Evans wrote the script for The Raid like a month after it leaked.
Not this bullshit again. Gareth Evans had his idea for The Raid way before Dredd's script draft leaked.
The original Raid was supposed to be a combination of 1 and 2. Instead of an apartment complex it was all supposed to be set inside a prison, and the point was to have narrow enclosures and close-quarter combat.
Since he didn't have the funding for the latter he broke it up and made the first in an apartment instead.
I'm not saying he copied it, autist. It's just that Dredd cannot be a copy of The Raid and any criticism at Dredd being similar to The Raid is stupid.
Shut up troon.
Shut up ultra troon.
Loved Dredd but it’s a different type of movie. You can’t do a martial arts movie with Hollywood stars since they need to actually know martial arts. The closest you get is something like Wesley Snipes. Jackie doesn’t count.
americans made an american version called Dredd. Dredd was to The Raid what the american version of Utopia was to Channel 4's Utopia.
>muh channel 4
go to bed steve coogan
>americans made an american version called Dredd. Dredd was to The Raid what the american version of Utopia was to Channel 4's Utopia.
Why does he have to break the arm of every single person he fights?
so they can't fight back?
He's fighting everyone in the building, you think it's wise to simply knock them out and move on to the next person, when the first person wakes up and dogpiles on him with the current person he's fighting.
i know were talking about movie fights but usually when someone gets knocked out, like knocked out hard enough to lose consciousness for a good few minutes, which was what was happening to most of the goons in the raid, when they wake up again they usually dont have all their motor functions together. and also they will probably be suffering from a concussion. most likely they wont even be able to walk straight. so no, i dont think it was necessary for the majority of the bad guys. in any case i dont remember that much arm breaking in the raid, i think that was more the raid 2. the first raid was more about slicing and cutting various tendons and ligaments in the knees
In both movies it was ridiculous, like watching a video game where you have to press X to do a finishing move
topped in what?
Ong Bak has better fight scenes
Tom Yum Goong has better fight scenes than Ong Bak
Su Fan Wok beats both by a mile.
Suk fain kok would be up your alley
I hope you mean Ong Bak 2 or protector. Shame Tony Jaa made nothing but trash after those kinos. Born to fight is another great thai action movie.
I already know the joke here but yes it is funny to make up goofy asian words and pretend they are films
Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong have the same exact storyline. The fight scenes were revolutionary for their time but never made an impact.
The Raid 1 and 2 not only topped it but actually changed the industry forever. It's also far more diverse and has gun-fu elements.
>The ideal action film is the raid with industrial music.
You mean the Mike Shinoda score? Shame that the original Indonesian score is completely buried. I've only listened to the latter soundtrack separately and it has more of the survival-horror feel that director Gareth Evans was going for in TR1 as opposed to the technopunk vibe of the international score.
No. I mean industrial music. Just strip the lyrics from some industrial band and use that. Works for games.
>No. I mean industrial music. Just strip the lyrics from some industrial band and use that. Works for games.
Has anyone made one, or is this just an idea? It's too close to the international score though so I don't see what's the point.
>That's not true, Tom Yum Goong has an elephant.
Replace Buddha statue with elephant.
Keep everything the same. Who writes this shit, lol?
>Wait, what? There was a separate? Jesus. Either way, it is what it is I guess.
I think the Blu-Ray disc has the OG score as an alternate audio option.
Here's the original soundtrack for The Raid 1 by Aria Prayogi & Fajar Yuskemal.
https://www.discogs.com/release/6694340-Aria-Prayogi-Fajar-Yuskemal-The-Raid-The-Complete-Original-Indonesian-Score
>Ong Bak and Tom Yum Goong have the same exact storyline.
That's not true, Tom Yum Goong has an elephant.
>original Indonesian socre
Wait, what? There was a separate? Jesus. Either way, it is what it is I guess. To be fair though the only piece that stands out to me was the one during the finale of Rama and Andi vs. Mad Dog.
>Ong Bak never made an impact.
The Raid is directly influenced by Ong Bak. Ong Bak => Merantau => The Raid. Also Ong Bak was pretty influential in general with its emphasis on hard hits and falls for the stuntmen and throwing in tricking moves (Ong Bak didn't invent them but you saw a lot more afterward, it definitely made a splash).
Merantau was influenced by Ong Bak stylistically, but Ong Bak's action and fight scenes didn't influence the industry enough to change the landscape.
Merantau itself didn't influence anybody because it was never a major hit like OB and TYG was. The Raid 1 immediately influenced other action films.
this Ong Bak 1 and The Protector are two of the best fight movies I've watched
>Ong Bak 2
was shit
>was shit
have a nice day
I watched the first ong bock because the outfit in sleeping dogs looked cool. The movie was really boring and had little action.
Hate when action movies aren't action packed tbh. The ideal action film is the raid with industrial music.
As a whole, you’re probably right. Taken on their own, the ending couple of fights in Raid 2 I think surpass any in 1 in choreography and intensity. The problem is Raid 2 is so bloated, you’re pretty desensitized by the time those fights actually happen.
Still I find Raid 2 to be a supremely comfy movies, and I don’t know why.
I think Raid 2's runtime isn't really a problem with the film. It's a problem with people's expectations for the film, coming from the first one, which was 80 minutes of nothing but ass-beating. If the sequel was part of a different franchise I think you'd see a lot less complaints. The runtime's justified, it's just not what people expected from the sequel to The Raid and people were put off by it. I compare it to season 2 of The Wire. It's great television, but tons of people drop the show because it's completely different from what they were expecting based on season 1.
Also the car chase in 2 is the high water mark for both films so it's got that going for it. Both films are great.
I dont think the Raid 2 should've been called "Raid 2".
It was a different story, with different characters. They even re-used some of the actors from the first one for different characters (Mad Dog -> bum divorced assasin).
Plot was only extremely loosely connected. Pacing was nowhere near the same. (nearly constant action vs bursts of action surrounded by organized crime drama stuff)
But, it was also an extremely kino film.
They only re-used the actor for Mad Dog as a different character. Everything else fit in perfectly.
The Raid was one mission over one night.
The Raid 2 was the outside world, and spanned 3 or 4 years. Rama/Yuda was in prison for 2.5 years.
Dredd is capeshit.
Twenty years in the cubes for you, creep.
comic source does not equal capeshit you moron
I enjoyed The Raid and was glad that a martial arts movie with skilled performers got hype, but I don't really care for its style of fight scenes. Camera moves too much (it's still way better than mainstream western stuff, but I like to see some steady shots now and then) and in the 1 v 1s the guys keep bashing each other so hard repeatedly that it becomes repetitive and desensitizes you to the impacts, without much pacing or sense that they're getting injured or flow to the fight. I'm thinking of the Mad Dog fights in particular. I'll also not a big fan of going EXTRA BRUTAL in martial arts films because it's all a bunch of fantasy fighting nonsense anyway so I don't see the point of pretending that blood and throat slitting and machetes or whatever makes it more gritty and realistic. But I'm not hating on The Raid. It's cool.
The fight with The Assassin at the end of 2 is probably my biggest complaint with the movie. Dudes rip each other to shreds and nobody really shows it for more than a second until one of them dies. I get that the movie wasn't trying to be realistic at this point but still I've got limits.
Pretty sure he limps into the next room and barely is able to stand for the rest of the film.
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I want Woo to make more RotTK movies
b u m p
I always found his beatings to be unfair. Like he'll stab one guy in the thigh with a dagger and drag it down to the kneecap so he'll probably never walk again and then the next guy he'll kick in the head and ko
What's wrong with that? Not everyone's built the same to take hits.
I'm assuming the issue is how different enemies react to different strikes.
Agree, the violence is arbitrary and has no bearing on narrative. At least Batman just permanently crippled everyone he meets.
Does he? I think Rama only kills people who have weapons, and even then not everyone.
This series would blow my dad's brain,he is in love with Statham and Seagal movies or any movie where le epic Chad manlet beats everyone up but I legit get goosebumps everytime I watch the Mad Dog and kitchen fight scene
In other words you like to see back and forth.
And that's cool too. Not every fight has to be about how the hero has to absolutely come out of every confrontation unscathed. You can still have some pretty good fights where the protagonist and antagonist get some back and forth during the battle.
In both the raid and the raid 2 the enemies dance around and take turns fighting the hero 1 on 1. They just flail about and wait their turn to get maimed/paralyzed/killed. Theyre like the putties in power rangers.
Couple of points I want to make:
1. That is a problem in the vast majority of martial arts movies; seeing henchmen waiting in the background for their turn to get their ass kicked. You see this in almost every single martial arts movie that has ever been made. So it isn't fair to single out the Raid films for this issue.
2. This is only a problem in Raid 2. In Raid 1 you actually DON'T see henchmen waiting in the background for their turn to fight since almost all the fight scenes take place in narrow halls and small rooms. You'll see the MC fight one henchman then another will burst out of a room next to him or run around the corner for his turn to fight. Is it realistic? No, but it is a clever way to hide that problem almost all of these movies have.
>>11 years
hasnt been topped
Can't say the same about OP, however.
It was OK stunt flick but not kino. Watched it first, and did get comparisons with Dredd
I like both Dredd and The Raid for different reasons
Raid 2 isn't as good as either, but is still very good
I can't watch this shit. Looks so fake
also I’m trans
Congratulations gay
That’s…….great?
Try watching the actual film, it's actually very realistic in its movements.
The firefight in the early part of the film is so good and undrrated IMO.
i was almost disappointed when they stopped using guns
Yes and no. When I was describing this movie to a friend one thing I remember mentioning was how I appreciated that the fighting starts off with guns, then as you will inevitably run out of ammo starts spiraling into melee weapons and then eventually just beating the shit out of each other. I thought it was a cool progression- or regression, depending on how you look at it.
I really wish Gareth Evans would return to his senses and make a gun-fu / heroic bloodshed movie starring Eka (Oka Antara). His character in The Raid 2 is massively underrated. The porn-den gun fight and car chase are just so good.
He needs a spin-off prequel or something. The Raid 3 will never happen, and based on what Gareth's said about his plot for if it were to have happened, it would completely ruin the franchise since it gets absurd (running off the jungle, linking up with some old woman, etc), but a prequel where gangsta Eka has his own isolated story would work real well without fricking up the overall story.
running off to* the jungle
Get these guys to make a Final Fight film!