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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok now ask that question in an articulated manner instead of relying on templateposting, you ape

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was not enough screentime of that frickable pygmy goat with the sexy voice.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wasnt even hot enough to be furry bait, and disney should know better of how much furry bait helps to rocket the sales of merch

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He wasnt even hot enough to be furry bait, and disney should know better of how much furry bait helps to rocket the sales of merch

      I don't know how to explain it but something about the goat girl from ferdinand made me want to flip her over and frick her silly. Just have to get that off my chest.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't made it 2D traditionally animated like originally intended
    >The film's animation was originally intended to be fully traditional, but it was later decided to be blended with computer-animation when 2D alone was considered, in the filmmakers' opinion, as having too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2D animation is too limited in-
      is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools

      the great thing about 2D animation is, because you draw everything, it can do literally anything

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools
        If the tools they use can't do it then it's not their fault

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the tools they use can't do it
          tools don't do shit, you do with them, if your tools ever do something without you asking them to that means they're actually less functional as tools and you have less agency over them

          you can draw anything
          you can animate a stage turning or a shot from any angle

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fricking great

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the tools they use can't do it
          >the tools they use
          >can't do it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon since the beginning of time humans have been doing anything they've wanted despite their limitations. It's not the tool it's the user; if everyone just said "tool bad can't do" then we wouldn't be here.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >poor craftsman

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2d can’t have dynamic camera shots
          ???

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He must be stuck in the 1960's.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >how to say you're an AIslop poster without saying it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah disney has done all kinds of crazy camera shit with 2d. Maybe if they didn't fricking fie everybody for no reason and replace them with talentless and passionless diversity "hires" they would have people who know how to do things.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Devil's advocate, but the scenes you're likely thinking of (Ballroom scene, sanctuary, Tarzan vs Baboons) all had CGI elements in them. That said, it's still a skill issue on Disney's part.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Double Devil's Advocate: crazy camera shit in 2D Disney goes back to Snow White. "2D is too limiting" is corpo-speak for "we fired everyone who knew anything and quality 2D animation is effectively lost technology, intentionally so"

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we fired everyone who knew anything and quality 2D animation is effectively lost technology
              *Mechanicus Interest Increases*

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
      those are the strenghs of animation.

      https://i.imgur.com/WRVgDZt.jpeg

      >$131 million loss
      What went wrong?

      if disney sticks to 3d they need to experiment the way arcane, spiderverse, and puss boots did.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wish was their attempt to make their first 3D movie that doesn't look like Frozen for the twentieth time. It just looks like Frozen but shit and unfinished instead.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jennifer Lee.
      They had thought about making a 2D film to celebrate Disney's anniversary but she shot it down.
      Basically her entire reign has been a disaster.

      Does Disney have any animators talented enough to make a 2D film happen?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They do, but they're held back by only working on CG projects.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Of course, Goldberg is still around and leading a whole 2d animation department that made the recent Once Upon a Studio short
        Question is more is there enough of them to make a film, and is there enough leeway in the Shareholder era to wrestle enough creative control from Lee and Iger to do so

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2D animation is too limited in-
      is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools

      the great thing about 2D animation is, because you draw everything, it can do literally anything

      No, this is more about disney's modern directors being indecisive fricks who want to be able to change their mind and alter stuff up to release.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2d is too limited
      Watch that tunnel sequence during the bike war in Akira and then read the stupid excuse this hack is delivering again.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A bit late but 2d is incredibly limited when it comes to lighting and camera movement. Said limitations can be overcome with enough work and time but animator will tell you're better off mixing 2d and 3d for complex camera movements and dynamic lighting.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Akira
        frick off weeb fricktard, tons of western examples you could have mentioned that did it better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tpbp

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's quite a bullshit argument when the final product has no memorable action sequence to begin with.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pretty much this, if it was 2D people may have actiallt gone to see it "Disney returns to its roots, come see it" could've been the right thing to make it stand out.
      instead it just looked like a generic ass disney movie like we have dozens of already, since smaller studios have more than encroached disney's territory

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2D animation is too limited in-
      is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools

      the great thing about 2D animation is, because you draw everything, it can do literally anything

      >is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools
      If the tools they use can't do it then it's not their fault

      >3D Deezney movie doesn't get nominated to an Academy Award
      >2D movie ends up winning (the Boy and the Heron)
      lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2D animation is too limited in-
      is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools

      the great thing about 2D animation is, because you draw everything, it can do literally anything

      >is always a statement from someone who can't do something and is blaming it on their tools
      If the tools they use can't do it then it's not their fault

      am i correct in assuming they didn't do anything actually noteworthy with the camera movements anyway?
      for example, this short film got nominated for Oscar mostly because it's creative camera movement that would be almost impossible to do in 2D.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >almost impossible to do in 2D.
        you're wrong

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it would be way harder to make a camera movement resembling clock ticking that also changes angle and distance in the same room, than camera movement that just speeds through scenery. slower movement is harder to do in the first place, due to having to keep shapes look the same for longer time while also redrawing them every frame. reproducing the same thing in 2D would require so many planning and drawing, that a short film like that would cost more than a regular feature-length cartoon.
          this one short film got an Oscar because it was such a feat to have even 3 minutes of (almost) constant moving camera in 2D, even in this colorless sketchy form.
          even renowned animator Bill Littlejohn recognized this and allegedly hugged and congratulated the creator of this for achieving such a feat.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > reproducing the same thing in 2D would require so many planning and drawing
            when did "it would be hard" turn into "it's IMPOSSIBLE" in most people's eyes

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              when did "would be almost impossible to do in 2D." turn into "it's IMPOSSIBLE" for you? by almost impossible i meant it's almost impossible for there to be enough skill+want+budget+persistency at the same time, just like how you can see there are only a few examples of it in 2D animation overall ever.

              anyway, this is how to meaningfully use the advantage of easy camera movement in 3D. and yes i'm posting this movie again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                2D can do everything 3D can and more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes except certain things are way harder and cost a lot more time/budget. you can say it's possible to do a photo-realistic 3D movie in microsoft paint, doesn't mean it's beneficial to do so. 3D has a lot of advantages and disadvantages compared to 2D, advantages include:
                -easy camera movement
                -very detailed textures
                -dynamic light effects
                -complex calculated physics
                -easy reflection/surface effects
                -realistic visuals and/or blending it with real footage
                -very complex scenes (which would cost a lot more in 2D)
                -easy keeping of looks, nothing with look off-model unless you want it
                and i'm going to use this movie as example again, because it takes advantage of all of those.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i think they should take another crack at 3d-assisted 2d, they've got to have gotten better at it since the 90s.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rango is my go-to, I feel it absolutely would have been a different film if it wasn't for the cg style and worn feel.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be careful what you wish for
    >Movie's themes have nothing to do with the characters suffering as a result of what they wished for
    Do modern movie taglines just have to be some kinda smarmy phrase that vaaaaaguely related to the topic or name of the movie?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well. That sucks.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have there ever been another story that had the moral of "Wishes are great, and everyone should have theirs fulfilled with no effort"?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aladdin but good wishes are only for the Main character

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, it's closer to The Little Mermaid where Ariel puts her friends, family, and the entire world at risk so she can try to get human prince dick... then gets what she wants anyway.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            TLM is infuriating to watch as an adult. Triton is right about everything and is a great, caring father except for his one freakout in the cave, but the movie still acts like Ariel nearly killing herself and endangering her people for a human dick she barely knows is a noble goal. Most incomprehensible Disney moral lesson after Wish.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What?
          The entire lesson was that Aladdin should have told Jasmin the truth. Even the fricking genie told him over and over again. And even the villain got fricked over a by a wish, even though it wasn't even a trickster genie but a genuine one.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Aladdin should have told Jasmin the truth.
            This shit is kind of infuriating to me. I know he's got his whole inadequacy thing, but he doubles down on the lie after Jasmine has him caught dead to rights. She already believes in magic because of Carpet, is a genie that much of a stretch? Wouldn't matter, he can prove it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not that he didn't tell her because he feared she might not believe him, he didn't tell her because 1. The law says she has to marry a prince, 2. He feared she wouldn't want a homeless guy and was just playing with him before.
              Only when the Sultan says "You're an honest guy" he realized he had to come clean. And of course the law thing is immediately bypassed with the sultan going "Wait a minute, I'm the guy that makes the law, I can just change it"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair.
                I don't necessarily buy into the idea that Genie retconned his dad into the King of thieves, which'd make him a prince of sorts, but he wished to be a prince, not a larper pretending to be one. Means that Genie kind of slacked a bit by either not actually making him prince of somewhere or doing it and not telling him.
                I get that he was some homeless guy but now he's got a genie. That'd be a significant trade-up to Achmed or any of the other suitors she rejected. Jafar was in fact right about the golden rule.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jafar reversed the wish, but previously the genie very likely half assed it trying to teach him a lesson by not helping him through the whole farse

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even if he told her the truth it wouldn’t have done nothing, her father only agrees to the marriage because Aladdin was first a prince and later a hero thanks to the wishes. He wouldn’t have gotten shit if he was still a thief without any wishes.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can't tell if you're arguing in bad faith as part of the Disney Internet Defense Squad or just blind.
              Wish 1) Become a Prince, actually just pisses Jasmine off when she thinks he lied. She does not care all that much for his Prince Ali performance: note that she leaves the parade in total disgust, but she gets on board the carpet when she realizes Ali is actually the street rat.
              Wish 2) Genie saves his life, but note again that Aladdin does not actually wish for this, Genie just takes matters into his own hands. And the reason Jafar is, at this point, trying to kill him is because Aladdin is playing at being Prince Ali.
              Wish 3) Frees Genie, giving up the last wish instead of using it on himself.

              The writers were very specific about how they changed the story, and they were openly vocal about it. They said, explicitly, that the way they portrayed the wishes was a direct reaction against the excesses of the 80s, where "when you get what you want, that's good, but when you don'r get what you want, that's bad." This is obvious even to literal children, the actual target audience, but somehow we have Disney Adults who in one breath say things like "ugh, media literacy is in such decline!!!" and in the next say shit like "Aladdin is about how great wishes are, it's Wish that takes a critical look!" I hope you are only a useful propagandist for animated movies. God only knows the kind of bullshit narratives you'd proudly parrot if you were interested in anything important.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Sultan renounced that concept at the end of the movie, following events which demonstrated his own foolishness for believing his wealth and position were deeply important. This is the core of the movie: wishes and magic as a euphemism for social mobility, which is both good (Aladdin being able to realize his true nature as a man, a human, and a hero) and bad (Jaffar being a cartoonish supervillain).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the best movie tagline ever is Terminator 2's

      >this time there are two

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Women don't want to see other women (even cartoon ones) suffer the consequences of their actions. They want to get what they want all the time. It's men that enjoy logic.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ugly designs, mediocre art, bad songs, typical modern "men bad" plot. gee golly i wonder why it didnt do well

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ok now ask that question in an articulated manner instead of relying on templateposting, you ape

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >OP proved himself to be a Sharty user
      Every time, huh?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jennifer Lee.
    They had thought about making a 2D film to celebrate Disney's anniversary but she shot it down.
    Basically her entire reign has been a disaster.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek and now they are trying to damage control with "maybe" they'll make a 2d production
      Basically when Lee came out and shat on 2d animation as "too limiting" promoting this I saw zero reason this could ever be good and decided to never watch it, and I know it was trending online so many potential customers were lost on shitting on their prior works

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bob Iger
    Bob Chapek
    Jennifer Lee
    The list goes on

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >singing princess shit
    >with an MC with ugly rag hair no less
    Well theres your problem

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aggressively bland 5.5/10 movie

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"Dude references lmao"
    >no good songs
    >generic quirky girl protag
    >fricked up moral ("you should be allowed to just get whatever you want with no restrictions bro")
    >attempt at a "classic Disney villain" who ends up being more in the right (and better received by audiences) than the actual protag
    >attempt at halfassing 2D aesthetic without actually committing to real 2D
    It's like a movie made by and for Disney adults with no sense of what made little kids actually like Disney movies in the first place

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Disney "adults" are the reason why we can't have nice things.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Funnily enough, the discarded script regardless of still being generic af would have been way more decent,but they discarded things like both the king and queen being evil because we all know women cant be evil unless a man has pushed them to be like that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fricked up moral ("you should be allowed to just get whatever you want with no restrictions bro")
      Tying the movie with the Disney 100th anniversary fricked this part up. They wanted a story about wishes because Disney is all about wishes coming true but they must've realized halfway in that making a story where the moral is actually "not all wishes is good" is at odds with the Disney core they want to fellate. Meet the Robinsons had a better homage to Disney

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This movie would've been better if it was the story behind the Fairy Godmother, maybe the protagonist is a young her going to the Kingdom of Rosas to be a wishing granting fairy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That moral is old as shit and it is a good thing to tell kids that not everyone has the best interest or desires that should be fulfilled.

        And no one told them they had to make a movie about a wishing star for their 100th century. That was their own fault if they couldn't make it work because they're all creative hacks.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Jennifer Lee chose the subject of wishes one day in her office.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That moral is old as shit and it is a good thing to tell kids
          I mean I agree, it's just that it's against the theme they wanted to push for the anniversary which is "Disney is a magical place where all your wishes will come true, just look at all these IPs people dreamed up turning real!"
          Unless the moral is "everyone has wishes, but it's up to you to make it real," there's no way you could make "all wishes are valid, kids!" immune from criticism. Yet that also goes against the idea that DISNEY is the one who can make all of your dreams come true, not you personally.

          This movie would've been better if it was the story behind the Fairy Godmother, maybe the protagonist is a young her going to the Kingdom of Rosas to be a wishing granting fairy.

          Wasn't Asha supposed to reference the Godmother?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but just make her the Godmother. If not, she's just a half-assed black character pretending black people care about black people in European settings.

            Plus, add more flamenco, Spain has great music.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AI writing
    >AI animation
    >AI songs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      It was moronic and wierd and inhuman.
      Like all of Secret Invasion and the Lord of the Rings disaster on Amazon.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, for how much that gets brought up with Wish still the worst part is how they put in a line about "shareholders"
    Like holy frick I've never seen a film just shill so hard to private equity as its audience

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did they actually? That's sad.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        The whole song is soulless, but that’s probably the most soulless part. Seriously, I swear just hearing that line made my world a little bit less magical.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "Here I are"? Someone got paid to write this?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i r baboon did good write

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          goddamn this is truly awful. it isn't charming, funny, memorable and even catchy, the entire back tracking sounds like it was made for a tv infomercial or something.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This feels like a parody. Disney made this shit?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most people legitimately thought the song was AI generated for weeks after the movie came out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When it comes to the universe we're all shareholders
          The film critics dropped the review scores by like 10 points for this line alone. So many of them kept calling it the prime example of Wish's corporate soullessness.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >movie #141847 about ugly generic ethnically diverse character doing absolutely nothing of interest whatsoever because simply being brown already makes her amazing and epic
    wow I wonder why it flopped

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair Asha isn't ugly. She can be annoying, inmature, extremist, downwards egoistical, with power delusions, thinks she deserves everything delivered right on her hands, but she looks nice

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She really is a looker. I love her dress.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She looks unremarkable in every aspect of the word.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. The plot is dumb and the villain's motivations are dumb
    2. Wanted to cater to Moorish Spain at first for some unknown reason, and ended up pissing the Spanish off so bad they had to quickly retcon it as a made-up country.
    3. Black-adjacent main character, preventing a bunch of countries from caring about the movie.
    4. Entire movie's graphical quality relies on a shit-ass screen filter that's so subtle you can barely see it, and without it the movie looks like trash. Kinda neat if you can, but ugh, 0 IQ of them to do something like this.
    5. Weak song lyrics and weak songs in general, to the point where even ravenous Disney fans assume they used AI in some non-insignificant capacity.
    6. Half-assed references to older, better movies to half-ass justifying it being a 100th anniversary movie half-assedly.
    7. Rewrites and retooling like crazy, eating up their limited time to make the movie, and most of the changes they stuck with seem to be objective downgrades.
    8. Nobody likes the main character, and is more forgettable than the MCs of the new Star Wars trilogy, somehow.
    9. Changed the Peter Pan / Tinkerbell dude into a generic Luma for some reason.
    10. Disney as a whole is already fricked for other reasons and people are losing interest in the entire company.
    11. Movies in general are dying, especially in theaters, and streaming lowers profit margins anyway.
    12. Shit merch nobody cares for, other than the goat sometimes.
    13. Massively bloated budget.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >for some unknown reason
      Brown muslims diverse and good, white Christians oppressive and bad. I'm glad Spain successfully convinced them to frick off with that aspect of it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spain didn't exist during the Reconquista times

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cry me a river

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >9. Changed the Peter Pan / Tinkerbell dude into a generic Luma for some reason.
      this is the simplest and most reasonable change: the luma is more toyable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That shouldn't be its ONLY purpose. A ton of these modern Disney films have mascots stapled onto them that are only made to push merch, and they aren't selling because people can smell that cynical bullshit a mile away.

        You have to make CHARACTERS first, toys later if they catch on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4. Entire movie's graphical quality relies on a shit-ass screen filter that's so subtle you can barely see it, and without it the movie looks like trash. Kinda neat if you can, but ugh, 0 IQ of them to do something like this
      So is it lost forever now?

      >9. Changed the Peter Pan / Tinkerbell dude into a generic Luma for some reason.
      this is the simplest and most reasonable change: the luma is more toyable.

      It is shelvewarmming like crazy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean if you download a perfect 4k rip (NOT STREAMING) and play it on a legit, calibrated 4K computer monitor, you should be able to see it. Everything's got kinda this "hand-drawn picture book" look to it, though even in that situation it's not that impressive either, and watching at that res will make other issues more visible, so IDFK.
        Shit movie, through and through.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >9. Changed the Peter Pan / Tinkerbell dude into a generic Luma for some reason.

      I really want to kick that “marketable plushie”.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Movies in general are dying, especially in theaters
      Mario and Garfield are doing great.Even new movie like Migration did really well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3. Black-adjacent main character, preventing a bunch of countries from caring about the movie.
      And a bunch of little girls from wanting to cosplay as her for halloween which bites into her merchandise. Who the frick would even recognize this character walking around the theme park? She looks like an awful 99 cent store homage to Rapunzel.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hire a pop song writer
    >don't let them work with you on the script
    Where's that screencap from the Making Of book where she just outrights say "all they told me is that the main character is an activist, that's all I had to go on."

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are we getting boyish characters that run and fight and sing again? Like Hercules, Aladin and Mulan?
    How about a Gilgamesh or homers odyssey film?

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Black lead with dreads isn't a very attractive design comparatively. If they made her far more attractive it probably would've done better.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    guy

    You can't handle the answer

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When it comes to the universe, we're all shareholders!

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be careful what you wish for
    This was entirely ai! I mean how is that relevant to the movie? From what I heard that was the opposite of the "message" in the movie.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me, sounds like the tagline was for a different storyline early on in development, and they change the premise like 50x. That's why a lot of the songs seem to not be even about what is happening. Like Asha sings her I Want song implying she made a wish, but she never made a wish and she even has no real desires, likely because they moved the plot to her wanting her grandfather's wish to be granted rather than her own.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think that Disney just couldn't think of any tagline so they just went with the cliche one about wishes.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I the only one who thinks this movie could have worked if they made Asha a litte bit less idealistic and willing to learn, Magnifico ultimately good but a little bit too strict, and the star boy an evil trickster twist villain who wants to destroy the world by granting every silly or dangerous wish?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It definitely would have been way better than what we got, but it still likely would have lacked the magic of early Disney movies.

      And they are not going to make the wishing star, the central theme to Disney, the villain. It isn't happening.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And they are not going to make the wishing star, the central theme to Disney, the villain. It isn't happening.
        Probably not. But he's giving me picrel vibes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kyubey isn't the Villain of Madoka and I will defend that to my death.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >has enough power to alter reality and spacetime in unimaginable ways
            >refuses to stop entropy
            >gee better make little girl suffer, there is no other way to solves this

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>has enough power to alter reality and spacetime in unimaginable ways
              He doesn't though.
              The most he can do is teleport and set up a containment field.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                KWAB

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even just the most generic angle of having Asha and twink Star fall in love would've been fine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are missing the point, she is a dark skinned woman in a disney movie, obviously she was perfect and capable from the start, all she needed was to learn to value herself and not let those dirty men step on her person, as everything she proposes is also perfect

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, I'im not missing the point that every new Disney character must be a female BIPOC Mary-Sue by corporate design.
        I'm just asking how the movie could be minimally altered to make it work.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Willing to learn
          Missing the point, obviously her mentality is already peak for having been born a woman.
          >Less idealistic
          You mean accepting all the wrong ideas from everyone else? Outrageous

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your reading comprehension is non-existiant, isnt it?

            No, I'im not missing the point that every new Disney character must be a female BIPOC Mary-Sue by corporate design.
            I'm just asking how the movie could be minimally altered to make it work.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think he is being sarcastic

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Make it about how King Magnifico is a nepobaby that hasn't learned shit or earned shit simply takes wishes from all adult citizens as payment for defending the population from homelessness and starvation. Asha is the first citizen to defy King Magnifico's orders, goes into hiding, and frees the wishes. Asha leads some citizens out of Rosas like a Moses-type and eventually Rosas falls as everybody leaves comfort to pursue their dreams.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That sounds even gayer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >cut the manic pixie boyfriend angle
      >cut the villain romance angle
      Its like they gebuinely do not understand their audience.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't. They think kissing unconscious women is tantamount to rape, love-at-first-sight doesn't exist, and the villain has to be sympathetic.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          None of those would be a bad thing if the suits and writer put even a slight little crumb of talent into it. But frickers are more worried about agenda

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have three stories in development that include all of those tropes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are fricking moronic lol, women actually are big fans of romance.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're the moron. I said the people in charge believe romance is problematic unless it is between a black boy and a brown boy.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I said the people in charge believe romance is problematic unless it is between a black boy and a brown boy.
              No you just imagined that because you're a weirdo

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Women, in general, are. Jennifer Lee and her ilk are not. They are not making decisions that appeal to the larger base of their sex and that is shown in the movie's attendance.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh yeah the Frozen movies are romance free lmao, you guys are just fricking morons

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if I put my head in the sand and shriek loud enough the wrongthink will go away!
                Why are you even here? I guess it is an election year.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >oh shit I'm wrong and got blown out by romance being in the Frozen movies, I better start /misc/posting

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesnt Anna have a romance with two different guys in the first movie? It isn't the main plot but it is still there

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frozen II was poorly received. Pair Elsa up with Hans and the public will go crazy over Frozen all over again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ehh I prefered the Kingdom Hearts 3 version where you murder him in a fun boss fight.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lee and company actually thought little girls would want dolls of a crippled fat Asian in glasses.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't put a fat Asian women in there without it being one of the writer's self-insert character. I wonder who it is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fawn isn't even a fat cripple.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You see, Edna Mode cannot be replicated, she is unique

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Edna Mode isn't even a fat cripple.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Women, in general, are. Jennifer Lee and her ilk are not. They are not making decisions that appeal to the larger base of their sex and that is shown in the movie's attendance.

            You know you're invested in this much more than the women you claim to be the main consumers, right?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not those anons but I am a femanon. We're suckers for romance. I ship Hans and Elsa.

              >getting the life sucked out of him after he wished

              He didn't get anything sucked out of him. He was SLEEPY. They were all the seven dwarves.

              Every single Easter egg was thrown into Wish haphazardly. The seven teens are based off the dwarves because that's Disney's first feature-length film, not because they actually serve a purpose.
              Captcha: ASAP

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                based toxic relationship enjoyer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't see the relationship as toxic. If anything, Elsa and Anna are co-dependent and that's a huge problem.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Every single Easter egg was thrown into Wish haphazardly. The seven teens are based off the dwarves because that's Disney's first feature-length film, not because they actually serve a purpose.
                I agree but my point was that it wasn't a sign of the kid losing his soul or whatever.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't they say in the film the tired one only started acting like that after he got his wish taken? I think it was supposed to be a sign of that, but the plot got cut, you can see that in a lot of lines in the film, like the King's "I got these genes from Outer Space" line being left over from when he was from space, much like Star. Most of the songs were written off of an early version of the film and only given a few weeks each which explains why they're all so vauge and generic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >genes from outer space
                >a bright eyed young star who travelled down to earth because he wished to do good, becoming so embittered by humanity's greed he becomes a bitter villanous old man. he selfishly hoards the wishes because they're the only thing that brings that same joy to his heart anymore

                this shit writes itself. i'd be mad they threw away kino but that would imply any concious thought went into the writing of this.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They really wanted to make Magnifico into a narcissist when he's far more concerned about others than actual narcissists like Mother Gothel and Gaston.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally every idea I have seen on Cinemaphile about how else to do Wish is better than what we got

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this is what they took from you
      I want the star twink.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And they are not going to make the wishing star, the central theme to Disney, the villain. It isn't happening.
      Probably not. But he's giving me picrel vibes.

      Honestly, Magnifico is such a non-villain, I would've fully welcomed Star boy being a twist villain, regardless of how played out they've been in the past.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    suits kept back-seat driving the whole thing, so it inevitably became a formless grey blob of unremarkability.
    many such cases.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?

    ?si=LmJ5i-raQmMHeNjw&t=50

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically Magnifico was in the right from the start....but the writers are die in the wool communists.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking woke douche bag, Disney movie.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    Satan had his way with Disney and now all that's left is a husk.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"""villain""" founds kingdom
    >lets everybody live there for free and nobody is obligated to work
    >only condition is giving up one of your life's wishes
    >like the lottery, there's no guarantee that you'll be picked to have your wish granted
    >you don't HAVE to live there if you don't want to do this
    >he's the bad guy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing in the movie even suggests handing over your wish is mandatory for citizenship. Even if it were, the choice that they wanted the audience to choose is very tone deaf to the struggles of a post-COVID audience.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Worth mentioning, it wasn't even a long life dream you gave up, but a wish, it could range from curing smallpox to just raising a bean stall from seed. Yet they insisted that Magnifico deciding which would benefit the kingdom better was evil and vile

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And in the 16th-17th century, it wasn't exactly common for any peasant or person to pursue their lifelong dreams as it was. They were all too busy working 16-hours day to grow enough food to just survive.

        They are framing the issue from a modern perspective, and even from a modern perspective, it comes off as incredibly entitled and petty.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except people in Rosas were all but miserable, doubt they were even working their asses off all day to avoid starving. But the teen decided they were living a dystopi so it must be it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's my point. The price of your deepest wish in exchange for the level of food security, shelter security, and protection that the king offered was way more than extremely generous. The fact that they were all so quick to turn on the king for absolutely no reason is just insanely stupid.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The finale tried to sell the complete fairytale that people will rally around you and overthrow the government within a week. That's not how people are. Audiences will buy flying boys and glowing hair but if human nature is depicted unrealistically they'll turn on the story.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the movie ends with Asha in the exact same position as Magnifico with absolutely no experience nor checks and balances to her power.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It clearly was meant to be your total ambition period but they sucked at making it make sense and only just showed people basically becoming aimless and forever depressed.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except they weren't, at the start the frickers were singing all happy and feeling well, they just wanted Magnifico to grant any feeble wish of them ASAP and weren't robbed of the capacity to keep wishing, that's literally how they defeat him even, they make more wishes

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paper Mario 64 had a better story about wishes. Really, better writing all around. And animation given how it's style is more inspired by storybooks than Wish.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Any story that deals with wishes, even remotely, had a better storyline than Wish. Wish was nothing. Wish has that amateur writing feel where they expect us to care about these characters for no other reason than because they tell us we're supposed to.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's Jennifer Lee's writing in a nutshell. She has to have characters announce the forest is beautiful instead of just letting the visuals do the talking.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only truly depressed person is the sleepy analog.
          They really fricked up this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>only condition is giving up one of your life's wishes
      It isn't obligatory

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly think the Kingdom of Rosas could have been a cool setting for an actually good story.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Disney did a really poor job of making Magnifico a good villain. He is too sympathetic. Magnifico founded a peaceful and prosperous kingdom with the extra perk of signing up for a wish-granting lottery and one girl cries when she finds out that the lottery is fixed to only select wishes that aren't dangerous.

    I wish there was a version of this movie where Magnifico tells Asha he won't grant her grandfather's wish because it could inspire an uprising and she just replies with "so?" She really wouldn't care if her grandfather causes a revolt as long as his wish was granted.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And how he loses his shit when the very people he protects and takes care of try to blackmail him into granting free wishes in exchange of telling him where the other possibly dangerous magic user (Asha) is. No wonder his first decision was using the dark arts, he was having a mfn meltdown

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The bigger issue as I see it is why should we want to see people have their wish granted? Especially when most of them are so quick to give them up instead of actually working for them. Her Grandfather wanted to inspire people? He should start with himself. The whole thing comes off like if were to go "I want to write a famous novel that endures generations." And then not actually write the book and expect someone to just magic it out of thin air.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at the wishes Magnifico grants during the movie. One wants to be the best dress-maker and the other a loyal knight. Those aren't wishes, they're just lazy people being given status without any personal effort. The people living in Rosas have everything given to them -- land, food, money (not that they need it because no one seems particularly rich or poor outside Magnifico and his castle) -- and no one seems to want to actually work toward their heart's desire. Asha's derpy friend could probably BE a knight with fairly minimal effort; the dude is already a small tank, but he'd rather gamble on getting Magnifico to do it for him. Even if Grandpa had a hard life before coming to Rosas, he's got all the time in the world to practice his music, but instead opts to take the chance of getting it done for free... and we see him playing after Magnifico's fall anyway, so it's not like he COULDN'T play and was too old to learn.

        Everything about Wish was just so fricking awful.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Her Grandfather wanted to inspire people? He should start with himself

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at the wishes Magnifico grants during the movie. One wants to be the best dress-maker and the other a loyal knight. Those aren't wishes, they're just lazy people being given status without any personal effort. The people living in Rosas have everything given to them -- land, food, money (not that they need it because no one seems particularly rich or poor outside Magnifico and his castle) -- and no one seems to want to actually work toward their heart's desire. Asha's derpy friend could probably BE a knight with fairly minimal effort; the dude is already a small tank, but he'd rather gamble on getting Magnifico to do it for him. Even if Grandpa had a hard life before coming to Rosas, he's got all the time in the world to practice his music, but instead opts to take the chance of getting it done for free... and we see him playing after Magnifico's fall anyway, so it's not like he COULDN'T play and was too old to learn.

        Everything about Wish was just so fricking awful.

        This is generally a fundamental error in the story I think. We are given the assumption that the people don't understand the finer rules or mechanics of how the wishes work, and are also shown in the film that submitting a wish seemingly removes it from being something you can still work at on the side in case it is never granted because you forget what it even was. If that one aspect were actually up front, I imagine people would not submit just random wishes like that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If that one aspect were actually up front,
          but it WAS upfront.
          There is no way around it: they HAD to know by the simple fact it's not likely everybody who didn't get their wish granted always kept their wish secret to everybody else

          which... might actually explain why there were so many bullshit wishes? Most weren't risking the stuff they really cared about
          ...which in turn made everything about Asha's actions and position EVEN MORE BULLSHIT.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >which... might actually explain why there were so many bullshit wishes? Most weren't risking the stuff they really cared about
            Nah, the wishes were supposed to be the individuals' heart's desire, as Magnifico absorbing them leaves the person devastated (though, only briefly because the writing is dogshit and continuity between scenes is fricking difficult). It plays off the "A dream is a wish your heart makes" song to some extent.

            Magnifico doesn't return wishes because A) he likes the attention of the wish lottery and B) he's got some paranoia about how certain desires could bring down his kingdom... which really showcase his only major faults as a character before the "must use bad book" bullshit comes into play. The dude escaped a terrible past and he genuinely doesn't want bad stuff happening to his kingdom, so he keeps "dangerous" wishes to prevent subjects from potentially disrupting things. He's also narcissistic, but neither point makes him inherently evil. It's not until Asha and her "I may be young but I know I'm not wrong" frickery plays out that things go south -- and, even then, Magnifico looks to his people for help and warns them of the potential danger, only to have them ask for more wish-granting. It's like a landlord telling tenants that there was gunfire and they want to know when the next cookout is happening. The citizens of Rosas are seriously fricking stupid.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              magifico responded to loss of control by snorting the heroin book, he's not a great leader

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He did it after the people he protected, took care of, gave an ideal place to live in, and granted wishes for every so and then, decided to not help him protect the kingdom, because he wouldn't give them free wishes in exchange. They tried to blackmail him while he was trying to protect the fricking kingdom, after all he did for them

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let's not forget how his wife of many years loves him and stands beside him... until she doesn't tell him how to not go crazy

                >wife knows the secret to using an evil book without going crazy
                >tells the crippled kitchen b***h instead of you

                The queen wanted Asha to overthrow Magnifico so she could seize power and, as an added bonus at the end, have a fairy godmother in her pocket. She had ZERO reason to not tell her husband about the stupid magic lotion shit aside from bringing him down and taking the kingdom.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And what kind of a loyal wife would just stand there and watch her husband descend into madness? Why wasn't she fighting for the man she fell in love with? Amaya's smug delivery about how Magnifico deserves to be punished hits harder than Hans's line in Frozen considering the couple in Wish have been married years and only began to have problems for like a week.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Movie would've been far better and funnier if the entire final act climax was them trying to get Amaya up to Magnifico to kiss him on the lips and break the curse, and he doesn't want to hurt her since she's his wife, but at the same time the curse is trying to get her away.
                The fact that this is their anniversary film and they didn't reference True Love's Kiss is such a missed opportunity.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Funnier? I think you mean funner, as in more fun, not more funny.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, I mean funnier, though that also applies. I just find the idea kind of funny, is all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And what kind of a loyal wife would just stand there and watch her husband descend into madness? Why wasn't she fighting for the man she fell in love with? Amaya's smug delivery about how Magnifico deserves to be punished hits harder than Hans's line in Frozen considering the couple in Wish have been married years and only began to have problems for like a week.

                Did you guys not watch the movie? Amaya told Magnifico never to use the evil book at all and even look through the evil book to see if it can be reversed. Not only that, but Magnifico threatened her with the magic staff and even shot her with it in a crowd-fill people.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just because the evil book says once you go black you can never go back doesn't mean it's true. It's an evil book. Books don't know everything. Evil books lie,

                Amaya's smugness in the finale isn't justified. Shouldn't she be hurt that her husband hurt her, not vengeful as if she was getting the last laugh? It comes off as super insincere.

                the race thing cancels it out, dont black little girls deserve to be princesses too?

                No, because black people aren't born into privilege and making her a princess downplays the black experience.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, because black people aren't born into privilege and making her a princess downplays the black experience.

                ?si=jtATBh6wN04JfdZ4

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Man I liked DS9 but sometimes Avery Brooks really just felt the need to make everything such a thing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even look through the evil book to see if it can be reversed
                She knew of a way to look at the book without being overtaken by its power and she didn't tell her own HUSBAND but she made sure to protect their crippled female chef who was an associate of the girl that drove her husband to use the book.

                Imagine your spouse gets hit by a drunk driver and your first thought is "Damn, I better get that alcoholic a good lawyer."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to see some offensive husband-hating agenda in a character who was clearly rewritten in ten minutes on the back of a wienertail napkin

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the fact that you have people trying to parse the minutae of how this world works is evidence of why the film doesnt fricking work

          look at monsters inc. that film was exactly as complicated as wish's premise, but it was a masterclass in how to pack every scene with worldbuilding exposition that didnt feel like deliberate exposition. wish just makes the poor protagonist gabble it all in one scene.

          [...]
          Honestly, Magnifico is such a non-villain, I would've fully welcomed Star boy being a twist villain, regardless of how played out they've been in the past.

          villain is too strong, but it would be a good move to let him be a well intentioned frickup who doesn't truly understand how human psychology works.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It also helps that some of its worldbuilding is cleverly integrated to in-universe TV segments, the Commercial is good because it explains everything about how the scream system and the overarching problem of kids being less susceptible to screams works, has a segment that properly implies that Sulley and Mike have been in the company for so long they can identify some of their coworkers in the commercial, and introduces the "I was on TV" gag, the News report works similarly since it explains the reactions to the Kid outbreach and the paranoia and panic the characters are feeling.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Her Grandfather wanted to inspire people? He should start with himself.
        I know I'm late to the party, but I think it's worth noting that her Grandpa's wish basically boils down to "I want people to react the way to me the way that I WANT them to react", AKA mind-fricking innocent people out of their free will.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was made by committee. There was no focused vision.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    literally everything

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wish fails
    >What you'd think it would've happened:
    >Hey, let's make a 2D movie next or let's try a better original idea.
    >What actually happened:
    >SEQUEL-PALOOZA, hey at least if they recognize the characters it won't bomb as much bring in the annoying female writers and directors.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait until Moana 2 bombs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It probably won't because people are idiots. Robot Dreams did less than Wish despite being 50 times better.

        And the movie ends with Asha in the exact same position as Magnifico with absolutely no experience nor checks and balances to her power.

        Women can't be evil.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sequels have flopped before and audiences are well aware Disney is now in it's second dark age.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope it does, so they re-think twice and make a good 2D movie. Just do a Treasure Planet-style movie and advertise it as the second coming of Jesus. People will eat the 2D animation gimmick alive.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We can but hope.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you imagine if Disney decided to make their first 90-min Mickey Mouse feature film? It could be on-par with something like A Goofy Movie, it would be 2D animated, it could be done on half the budget, and it'd be guaranteed to get butts in seats + sell merch because Mickey Mouse is already universally famous. Imagine all the movie theater deals they could've done, like free paper Mickey ears for the first weekend.

    Nah, let's put all our faith on a quirky brown girl.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't Mickey in the public domain at that point? I'm no copyright lawyer, but I don't think they can make money off the mouse anymore

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only Steamboat Willie Mickey.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why couldn't they? The whole point of public domain is that everyone can use it. Besides they're still so the only ones who can title their movie "Mickey Mouse" since the trademark is still active.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It could be on-par with something like A Goofy Movie
      Or they could just give up A Goofy Movi3 where Max reunites with Roxanne.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Moors

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking shrek 1 looks better

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing will recapture the magic of SGI workstations.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Man, in my opinion what happened to dreamworks is even more sad. They put such a high stake with the last wish, giving us hope that they would once again bring back quality into animation. Only to end up pulling out mediocre movie after mediocre movie right after

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dreamworks was always inconsistent, so it's not so bad. Disney and Pixar could be said to have had a pretty consistently good streak until post-Trump, when TDS infected them and they started producing trash.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you think Trump is the reason WDAS is bad now you're an absolute moron.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Different anon, but you might consider that it happened around the same time. Where, exactly, Disney movies start getting bad is more of a matter of opinion, but TDS causing it is a stupid take.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Well, it's related. When Trump was elected, Hollywood was infected with TDS and as a response to the Jeffrey Weinstein sexual abuse cases there was the whole #MeToo campaign. Lasseter was ousted and replaced with Lee because of the movement.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It is a little more complicated than just evil muahaha suits trying to make shit woke. Trump appeared and made his moto to "End degeneracy", divided the country like it hasn't been in decades, companies had to choose a side so they went where they saw the most income from (Which is left leaning). And since then they entered an endless loop of trying to use that appeal to reel in public, ironically shooing away any people interested in them. So we can say that indirectly Trump ruined disney lmao

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Different anon, but you might consider that it happened around the same time. Where, exactly, Disney movies start getting bad is more of a matter of opinion, but TDS causing it is a stupid take.

            So we're going to pretend #Resist wasn't a thing? Oh wait, Lefty propaganda is only a thing if it succeeds otherwise its just right wing misinformation like CRT.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Feminist director. Go woke, goi broke.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looked like one of those Brazillian movies you find in a Walmart bargin bin.

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A movie so bad that even gratuitous squirrel thigh couldn't save it.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Disney is more worried about not looking like they are siding with "the bad side", which is why they keep the female leads no matter how shitty their managing is, as they don't want headlines going like "Disney fire FEMALE director/ head of x franchise". They don't care about the agenda as well, just remember that while the whole Lightyear thing was happening they were funding DeSantis under the table while he was passing bills prohibiting teachers from even suggesting the existence of lgbt people in the classroom

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they were funding DeSantis under the table
      what? All I can see when searching for it are articles saying that DeSantis and Disney hate each others guts and constantly fight. Is this some kind of conspiracy theory?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-disney-pay-ron-desantis-huge-donations-1804078

        Of course after shit hit the fan they had to act like it never happened, probably paid for it to be harder to research as well

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          now read the entire article
          they stopped once they realized how much of a piece of shit he is.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Quite innocent of you to believe they did because of that, and not because DeSantis openly threatened them monetarily

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It is a conglomerate of that a shit ass decisions in the creative department that will, and let's not get started with what will happen once they implement AI to replace people and save themselves some good millions, we gonna have Wish like movies by the million

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Female lead should have been white.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      love interest should have been a black male. totally agree

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    The internet consensus seems to be the fact that there's no villain couple and no star boy twink. The scrapped concepts inspired a lot of neat little fan projects though

    ?si=BJ8JmBP2i9veLJIa

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Watched this garbage in cinema. I cant even call them a songs, everything feels like they are talking while some boring music are playing.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The main villain sounds like a parent complaining about their ungrateful children not respecting them, as opposed to the cruel and vain heartless dictator they want him to be.
    Not even making him hot could save this film, and they tried SO hard.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wife knows the secret to using an evil book without going crazy
      >tells the crippled kitchen b***h instead of you

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will remind you

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They lost money.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They had no ideas.
    No story to tell.
    No passionate creator driving it.
    They needed something for Disney's anniversary, so they cobbled something together from half-baked concepts and focus-tested elements.
    That is the crux of why everyone hated it.
    It was archetypical contemporary storytelling poorly dressed up as something classical.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's particularly dumbfounding about all this is that, in spite of their story still being horribly underdeveloped and in sore need of revision, they apparently went full-speed on jamming as many of the most impossibly esoteric easter eggs they could into the film that no one would notice even if they weren't being distracted by a confusing plot that made no sense.

      >The tear drops on the one dress are actually pumpkin seeds in reference to the Cinderella carriage and both foreshadowing and some kind of allegory for fairy godmother magic that this film is somehow an unofficial prequel towards

      How the hell would anyone get that, and more importantly, why would anyone want to

      A youtube comment said it best: this film was a bunch of easter eggs in search of a basket

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were hoping the easter egg hunt would make up for the basket made of wet tissue paper. Placing any eggs in the basket just results in the eggs falling through the holes.

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was kinda my fault, sorry about that.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Like a lot of the newest Disney shit, it felt like it needed one or two more script revisions

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, they needed less script revisions, all pre prod material leaks are better than the final product. They should stop overthinking their shit and go with the first ideas

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magnifico at full power felt weaker than Vanilla Jafar this was ridiculous. full power magicians shouldn't be barely able to throw slow balls of green dust that midly annoy a CRIPPLED fat girl.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    written by AI, "twist" villain wasn't a twist, her motivation was silly, the dream system made little to no sense, the kingdom was an "utopia" yet the MC still wanted to change it because frick it why not, black lead that didn't have a funny cast, dream kings villainy makes him seem like he's throwing a fit because people didn't like his "utopia"
    people didn't want to watch it, simple as

  53. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    Disney thought that anything they'd do for the 100th anniversary would make money, so they shoved the movie full of marketing and nostalgia throwbacks rather than trying to make it good.

  54. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No little girl wants to cosplay as this. She looks like a generic boring pilgrim that you'd find in a coloring book. She isn't necessarily exciting or brave. She actively fricks up a great thing everyone had going. ALL of her side characters/friends are ugly and suck. She has no romantic partner and being sexually inert is super fricking gay, on top of being unrealistic.

  55. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well it turns out the movie wasn't good, and no one bothered to see it.

  56. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have a pet theory that Wish is disney's attempt at a movie made purely by AI and they just brought in humans to try to clean it up a bit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm still not convinced it was ever made to be an "AI movie", there's too many known frickups by actual people, and I don't think the word "shareholders" was something an AI would've come up with.
      Sure, they probably TRIED using AI during production of the movie in a few bits here and there, but I doubt they would've relied on it for anything more than bits and bobs, AI in general's just a bit too unpredictable.

      The most likely reason the movie's so fricked is because they were insistent on making a movie like this be their 100th anniversary movie, which gives them a hard limit for a deadline that absolutely can't be budged, so literally anything and everything that goes wrong will make a definite, tangible amount of damage to the final product.
      IMO, their biggest, absolutely largest frickup was the Moorish Spain thing, trying to cater to nonwhites while specifically pissing off the exact country they were representing, and the backlash meant they wasted a shitload of time and money doing damage control in the media with all the failed "stop complaining about diversity, YOU BIGOTS" articles and the fact they'd have to rework a good chunk of the movie's assets and some of the dialogue to change the setting to "fantasy not-Spain", all while struggling with the stupid screen filter that didn't even work out.

      They legitimately should've played it safer, or started work on it sooner.
      Should've been an easy win, but no, they had to frick with the formula and make a shit movie, yet another sign they've completely lost their "Disney Magic".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >their biggest, absolutely largest frickup was the Moorish Spain thing, trying to cater to nonwhites while specifically pissing off the exact country they were representing
        isn't this literally the Mulan LA problem?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mulan kinda pissed everyone off.
          Was pretty funny to watch the Disney-owned chunk of the media try their hardest to downplay the whole "film a literal stone's throw away from an actual IRL concentration/slave camp" thing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Moorish Spain pisses us off
        Spaniard here. No, It does not lmao. Rosas was always some island in the mediterranean sea between Morocco and Spain.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's really pretty. why wasnt the cartoon this pretty disney?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They half assed the setting

  57. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jim Cummings wasn't the villain and got his own song

  58. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know what parallel I'm surprised you don;t see made more? To Wall-E. The humans in Wall-E live in a futuristic paradise but have become so coddled and lazy that they can't do anything for themselves or even think. So much of their life is automated and has been for so long that they don't even consider the alternative. Nobody works. Nobody suffers. But nobody dreams or wants anything more. They're lazy and broken and don't even realize it till the captain decides "I want to live" after he discovers the truth and rebels against Shodan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wall-E is an actual good movie people will remember and talk about for a long time. Wish will at best be remembered as "Disney's 100th anniversary blunder".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they were kind of halfway towards that with the simon character getting the life sucked out of him after he wished, but literally no character but him had the same attitude

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >getting the life sucked out of him after he wished

        He didn't get anything sucked out of him. He was SLEEPY. They were all the seven dwarves.

  59. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Premise was Meh
    >Chris Pine cannot play a villain
    >Felt like it was written by an AI
    >Songs were just OK

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      were just OK
      The songs were horrid.

  60. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No romance. That's It.

  61. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Disney finally made a princess movie about Spain
    >It's this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >*Falls off a cliff in Spanish.*

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you could watch elanora.

  62. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't Disney make Asha the Princess of Rosas for the 100th-anniversary film instead of some random village girl?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because she has to be as ordinary as possible while being always right. Princesses are classist.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the race thing cancels it out, dont black little girls deserve to be princesses too?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Asha's mom is an Amazigh nomad and her dad is an Spanish peasant. Inspired background tbh

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly it's crazy how GOOD they made a black princess with Tiana and then just never did that again.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i love tiana and lottie. i hope that princess and the frog miniseries is good.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ?t=341

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              she's a fish

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe watch the video for a single minute then.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Make Asha a princess
        > Magnifico and Amaya are her parents
        > Rewrite Asha's mom to be her aunt/Amaya's sister
        > Grandpa Amaya's dad
        > Magnifico, in this version of the story comes off as a terrible family relative.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this would be the logical solution, but unfortunately it's not allowed to make the biological parents buttholes in disney properties. in case the shitty parents who watch the films with their kids get mad

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not allowed to make the biological parents buttholes in disney properties
            Tell that to Frozen II.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that's actually the film i was thinking of. they never have anna or elsa say 'i loved dad but the way he shut me in my room for my entire life with no human company was kind of fricked up in retrospect'. though i guess you have a point that the villain in that film is some grandfather, albiet one they never even met.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Elsa's and Anna's mom kept her heritage of secret from her daughters despite them being both 18 and 15. Did she think they couldn't handle that information maturely?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh that's true, that is bad parenting. still, neither of the sisters are permitted to be truly angry at their dumbfrick parents for dropping them into that situation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of being angry when they're dead? Especially because of their own stupidity?

                >jennifer lee
                i knew this bogeyman was coming

                She wrote both damn movies. How is she not the reason why both movies have some of the worst writing from a major studio?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >She wrote both damn movies.
                said movies had other writers, and in some cases a co-director, you don't think they made the movie bad as well? i don't even particularly like either movie but she is severely overhated and it's 90% by seething incestual frozengays

                TLM is infuriating to watch as an adult. Triton is right about everything and is a great, caring father except for his one freakout in the cave, but the movie still acts like Ariel nearly killing herself and endangering her people for a human dick she barely knows is a noble goal. Most incomprehensible Disney moral lesson after Wish.

                it's not about eric's dick, that's a shallow critique. it's about ariel wanting to become an adult woman and her daddy wanting to keep her closed off and dependent on him. it is a metaphor of the kind disney used to be good at.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I heard that Jennifer Lee was an elsannagay albeit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that not only is she not a good writer, she's also an executive in charge of production which comes with a conflict of interest.

                The problem with your line of reasoning is that Ariel literally sells her soul for a shot at Eric's dick. Even by the most charitable interpretion the film's premise indicates that Ariel is too immature/impulsive to be treated like a grown woman. From a mundane perspective it'd be a 16yo running away from home in the middle of the night to the other side of the countey so she can try to hook up with a guy she saw coming out of party once with the help of a complete stranger who is blatantly being duplicitious.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >From a mundane perspective it'd be a 16yo running away from home in the middle of the night to the other side of the countey so she can try to hook up with a guy she saw coming out of party once with the help of a complete stranger who is blatantly being duplicitious.
                Are you ok sis? It's not wrong to seek professional help.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                King Triton's point of view is not reasonable?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ariel does not act like an adult, though. She doesn’t try to assume responsibility for things, she doesn’t want to step into her role as a daughter of the king, and while exploring and gaining new interests is expected in adolescence, she has no real arguments against Triton’s (very reasonable) concerns. This isn’t a situation where your teenage kid gets a tattoo and declares she’s gonna join a rock band; as Triton sees it, she’s obsessed with an alien horde of murderers and wants to chase one of them to the ends of the earth after seeing him once.

                I get what Disney was going for, but the metaphor doesn’t really work

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even look through the evil book to see if it can be reversed
                She knew of a way to look at the book without being overtaken by its power and she didn't tell her own HUSBAND but she made sure to protect their crippled female chef who was an associate of the girl that drove her husband to use the book.

                Imagine your spouse gets hit by a drunk driver and your first thought is "Damn, I better get that alcoholic a good lawyer."

                Elsa's and Anna's mom kept her heritage of secret from her daughters despite them being both 18 and 15. Did she think they couldn't handle that information maturely?

                All of this can be explained by Jennifer Lee being the shittiest writer to ever fall upwards.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >jennifer lee
                i knew this bogeyman was coming

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Boogie man

                She wrote fricking garbage like WiR 2 how is she not to blame? It’s her movie

  63. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should make one of these Twisted Tales books using the scrapped concepts of the movie. Good ideas shouldn't go to waste.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does he frick the Hazel in that book?

  64. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    instead of appropriating an European tale, they tried making their own, that's what.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Instead of running a story through the Disney formula, it's JUST the formula presented as a finished thing

  65. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything

  66. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too many cooks spoil the broth, etc etc.

  67. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1: Not enough Valentino

    2: the story was moronic, and is the epitome of feminism's "man bad, women can do no wrong, even when actively fricking up".

    3: The movie was generic as hell, and boring.

  68. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why was Wish not a traditional Princess like Tangled or Little Mermaid, etc?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because that's sexist

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is that sexist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they already have a king and queen.

  69. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where is the porn?
    >flopped
    ah

  70. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If your country has a princess story, you should make it into a movie yourself before Disney does.

  71. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Spend the last decade alienating your core fanbase in favor of deranged attention seekers
    >Diminishing returns leads to flops
    >"How could this happen!?"

  72. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >interesting premise
    >do nothing interesting with it
    Gee, I wonder.

  73. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i just noticed she has freckles. can blacks even have freckles, or it's appropriation of whites?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      blacks can have freckles yes, she's meant to be half white

  74. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More people should understand that what is commonly called "traditional disney" is a completely fake. What you're actually talking about is pastiche and parody that was accumulated into the so-called renaissance of the 1990's. If you want to to really return to traditional Disney, you need to go back to the 30's and 40's.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      walt disney was a bastard in many ways, but he did have creative integrity and he loved stories. if he saw the way the company heads treated the artists who worked on wish, making them rush the shit out of the movie so it could release in the appropriate marketing quarter, he would roll over in his grave

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please. Walt's biggest sin is that he gradually stopped caring.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He found a new hobby, the Parks.
          I don't think Disney degraded as much as other studios, the Nine Old Men were good stewards.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >someones shitty copypaste
          calling sleeping beauty/UPA era a 'dark age' is either insane or moronic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            see

            He must be stuck in the 1960's.

  75. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mulatto race baiting protagonist mogged by superior Aryan chad

  76. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    3D vs 2D isn't the fricking issue. It's a question of actually making good movies.

  77. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  78. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    brown girl

  79. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    terrible story and terrible female MC (true villain)
    really fricked over the male King (who just wants whats best for everyone) guess wanted to show people whats going on in real life
    if you complain enough about something people will follow you even if it fricks them over

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