>19 years later
>we're still waiting for a TV show that will have the same impact
Nowadays, rewatching Lost can be a fun experience, but only people who watched it and followed theories from 2004-2010 knows how crazy was that shit.
Unfortunately, at the end of the day, it was all for nought and the writers took a shit in our heads. Now that I think about it, maybe this thread was a mistake but I'm posting it anyway.
they went way too overboard with everything, should have kept it as mystery island where they do some weird science experiments and nothing else, no mayas, no flash forwards, no the plane actually crashed and everyone is just living in a dream world
>everyone is just living in a dream world
Only about a quarter of the last series was this
But yes I agree I didn't really like the purgatory bit
>no mayas
what?
>should have kept it as mystery island where they do some weird science experiments and nothing else
true
>no mayas
true
>no flash forwards
no
>no the plane actually crashed and everyone is just living in a dream world
retard
thanks to your compelling arguments i have changed my opinions about all of these things
flash forward was cool
jacob was shit
mayans were shit
jacobs brother was awful but the twist with locke was cool
the ending itself was kinda of terrible, like it was all a dream ending
I enjoyed the season where they were part of the early expedition a lot, was very kino
what else was there?
I still maintain that the hack writers intended for it to be purgatory or whatever from the start because they thought that twist was clever as fuck and no one would ever predict it. At least until every single person who watched the pilot episode came to that conclusion and they had to abruptly change course and come up with some other bullshit.
This is bait.
If not, you're a fucking retard who didn't understand the ending.
Was Locke supposed to seem like a potential racist in this scene? Was it a red herring? Everyone I’ve shown LOST to read it as a
>o boy what’s this guy’s deal
And that was pre-woke. Was it just inadvertent that he seemed like he was menacingly pointing out that Walt was a colored person?
locke's death was so fucking underwhelming, but then everyone also died and met together, its a sad ending when you think about it, that from the moment they got onto that plane, they were doomed
It's a sad ending because it's fucking shit. The whole purgatory thing was completely useless and it took half of the running time in the final season.
I never seen anyone getting to that conclusion, and that was pre-woke as well. Nowadays probably we'd have a note before the episode saying that the values have changed in society.
It’s sad that the people that lived had such unfulfilling lives that they met up in purgatory with some losers they bummed around on an island with 50 years ago. Also what the fuck was Desmond supposed to be?
>Also what the fuck was Desmond supposed to be?
Also what was Mike and Walter supposed to be (especially Walter)?
What was that wheel suppose to mean?
What was the meaning of John (after his gay ass death)?
Why they downgraded Linus character after season 4?
What was the purpose of the Numbers?
What was that magnetism and what was the connection with Eloise?
What the hell happened with the Polar bears?
Dit they move the island after the blast?
What was the Smoke entity (before Jacob and his brother) ?
I don't get the Ruso and all the lost Frenchmen part?
>(especially Walter)
Well, we have to forgive the producers on this one because no one thought that a 70cm kid would become an NBA player in the span of 2 years.
Can they write something better? It added so much more mystery to all the other interesting stuff in Season 1.
>Also what was Mike and Walter supposed to be (especially Walter)?
Walt was just an ESPer but not a candidate
>What was that wheel suppose to mean?
It was just a way to manipulate the island, somehow.
>What was the meaning of John (after his gay ass death)?
Nothing. he wasn’t special. That was the point. Subverted ur expectations amiright?
>Why they downgraded Linus character after season 4?
I wouldn’t say downgraded. He was just the Wizard of Oz all along.
>What was the purpose of the Numbers?
They were an algorithm/code to draw the survivors to the island. Each number corresponded to one of the candidates to take over the island.
>What was that magnetism and what was the connection with Eloise?
Idk magic
>What the hell happened with the Polar bears?
They were simply being scienced on by dharma
>Dit they move the island after the blast?
Yeah
>What was the Smoke entity (before Jacob and his brother) ?
Didn’t exist. It was always just the MiB. It’s a mutation like how Desmond became magic after interacting with the island’s magnetism.
>I don't get the Ruso and all the lost Frenchmen part?
The others killed them. Kept Ruso alive for sentimentality ig.
This is the problem with israeli writing. They can come up with a good premise, but they can't do endings for shit. As soon as you analyze it a bit you start seeing the glaring holes and errors.
Note: Be careful which israeli stories you do this with or you'll notice coincidences you shouldn't be noticing and be labeled an anti-semite.
The way it made me feel has never been matched by another tv show. The flashbacks and the score by Michael Giacchino are unmitigated KINO
the flashbacks made the 'losers' relatable
>Also what the fuck was Desmond supposed to be?
i don't know brother, seems he only got introduced to further the plot of that rich guy and his daughter
there were so many shows made trying to copy LOST
dont think any of them were ever good
Most shows aren't weekly anymore, and those that are can be caught up on at any time. GoT was the last show to capture that feeling that it has to be seen the day it releases, that collective feeling of everyone watching at the same time, discussing theories, making predictions etc.
Now everyone watches at different rates, some binge while others take weeks to watch one season. Conversation about a show dries up immediately because everyone's at different points, and even if multiple people have completely caught up, it's much harder to have fun discussing a whole season than it is a single, recent episode.
tl;dr streaming killed shows like Lost.
HBO is the only one that can do something like this and pull it off.
But their shows have been shit for the last couple of years. None of them have the mass appeal of early GOT.
And I think The Walking Dead had a similar effect up to when Glenn died. I remember at work people would get pissed if they overheard someone talking about the latest episode before they watched it.
That never happened again, I absolutely agree that binging and streaming killed that magic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember House of Cards was the first show to popularize releasing an entire season at once via a streaming platform, and after that everyone followes suit.
The good news is streaming is losing a shitload of money and they're realizing it's not worth it
The writers and actors strike demanding residuals for streaming isn't helping either
In a few years, everything will go back to how it was with sites having every episode up a la carte
>GoT was the last show to capture that feeling that it has to be seen the day it releases, that collective feeling of everyone watching at the same time, discussing theories, making predictions etc.
for me it was better call saul
The 10 autistic samefags in your cope threads don't count as everyone
Not even half of Breaking Bad fans watched that shit
weird, i felt like every person i know was watching it
maybe it was just a zoomer thing
I liked the purgatory ending as a goodbye, it just bothers me that there are still brainlets who think they were dead all along
Nobody thinks that.
>rewatching Lost can be a fun experience
I watched it once and would dread going through all the filler again
>I watched it once and would dread going through all the filler again
This, fuck watching all Sayid's backstory again.
TF do you mean, Sayid's backstory is one of the most interesting in the whole show.
On the other hand, when I think of watching Kate, Hurley and Charlie's flashbacks I just want to die.
I liked the part where he was a torturer and literally got zero information any time he tortured anyone on the show.
I liked the part where he was in communications in the war, but inexplicably fought like some sort of ninja.
Shite character
Sayid was the cool middle eastern man as a way for America to say sorry about invading, destabilizing, and fucking up your countries for oil and opium.
>my face when Im literally doing this right now
it's ok, could be worse
I watched it a few years ago for the first time since the original air date and it was a lot of fun. My coworker had never seen it so we were watching at the same time and the theories and general talk at work was just like 2010 again.
I watched the whole thing five times and there's really not that much filler. I think the worst parts are the flashbacks in season 3. They really ran out of ideas with some of the backstories, like Jack, Kate and the Kwons. They should have focused on other characters instead.
>thought first season was absolute kino
>second was good too but that's when shit started getting silly
>show gets more and more absurd with every season until it's just plain nonsense with magic and shit
I swear it was near unwatchable near the end, with all the flashbacks and goofy shit going on. I much preferred it when it was a group of people just trying to survive on an island with possible feral natives and wild animals etc
>Hurley didn't lose a pound of weight the whole time he was there
What a fucking joke. You'd think that fat fuck of an actor would think hmm I'm the star in a big TV show, maybe I should make an effort, but nope.
I know he stole some supplies for a few episodes but 3+ months and no weight loss is inexcusable
>"some" supplies
He had a whole stash
This only made Cinemaphile have dozens of tripfags around
it gave me something to really look forward to weekly until the penultimate ep (while it was great it also finally clicked for me that the finale won't be anything special) at a time when i desperately needed it. so i'll always have hard love for the show
>originally think the 'monster' is some sort of mechanical device with smoke etc built by people already on the island
>lmao no it's just magic
What always pissed me off the most is how Kate switches between being a fucking super soldier and utterly retarded and helpless depending what the plot needs.
I don't think rewatching Lost is a "fun" experience if you value coherence and a well written story that has even a tiny bit of payoff; on the contrary, rewatching Lost just underscores what a giant con job all this was - but I agree, wacthing it when it aired was one of the most fun and immersive viewing experiences I ever had. We watched it religiously after work, we talked endlessly about it, we even made a long-ass theory video about it. It wasn't just watching a TV show, it was taking active part in a genuine experience.
GoT came close for me. And both dissapointed me so fucking much, I truly felt betrayed. To this day, I don't trust shows anymore and I don't watch stuff like From until I hear that there's an actual ENDING.
Why would Aaron be a baby in the ending scene?
Why would the Arab dude be with Shannon and not the Arab woman he simped years for?
Did they plan that exact ending and general storyline from the start, or did they start making shit up as they went along in later seasons?
>Why would Aaron be a baby in the ending scene?
Well, Jack's father said that they're are in the "best phase of their lives" in that purgatory. Which means that a) Aaron became a drug addict from a very young age and went to the criminal life or b) he died before getting to childhood and meaningful life experiences.
Not best, "most important", which is to say their time in the island.
Which is also why Sayid is with Shannon, not the Arab woman, because the Arab woman was never in the Island.
>Did they plan that exact ending and general storyline from the start, or did they start making shit up as they went along in later seasons?
They said they had a rough idea of the story, but they couldn't work on the details or the ending until around season 4 because the network wanted the show to go indefinitely. With no idea of how many episodes they had left to structure things and wrap things up, they spent most of the show's production spinning their wheels and trying to introduce and solve small mysteries to keep people occupied.
Or so they say.
So, basically they have idea how the story should progress, viewers figured it out after first couple of episodes and after that writers go "batshit crazy wooo weeeey clusterfuck nonsense mumbo jumbo idiotic bullshit acid stuff"
Because we only saw Aaron as a baby. And we, as an audience, came to know Shannon as an active character in the story rather than just "some arab chic from Sayid's flashbacks LOL", so the writers tried to convince us that Sayid was always meant to be with Shannon, which was bullshit of the highest caliber.
The whole ending was nothing more than an endless parade of "Hey, don't you remember THAT scene from the first seasons? Don't you feel nostalgic? Isn't it sweet how everything came 'full circle'?"
It was one of the laziest, most manipulative and insulting endings in the history of TV, and I mean that.
>THE BAABYH CHARLEE!
It was crap and you should feel bad about all the time you wasted on theories for a show that was being made up on the fly. The writers had as little idea what was going to happen as the viewers.
I watched it several months ago for the first time. The first 2 or 3 seasons were fantastic and Locke was one of my favorites.
I'd assumed he'd become a bad guy before it was over and jack would be the "good guy". Did not expect locke to get copied by the smoke monster.
Ending was extremely disappointing but I can see why it got so popular
Still alot of unanswered questions
>what was the deal with walts mind powers
>what was Desmond
>why when the one dude went down the hole did he become a smoke monster
Etc.
>I'd assumed he'd become a bad guy before it was over and jack would be the "good guy"
Exactly what I thought. I figured Locke would split off and become one of the natives and there'd be conflict between them, but nah they just made him a spooky monster.
>>what was Desmond
Desmond was the constant.
walt got too tall between seasons and his father's actor was a diva so they just got rid of both, it was really stupid that they didn't bring him back with a time travel excuse when that became a thing though
it holds up really well
>that tumour ben had for an episode and then never got mentioned again
Never knew it was so simple to remove a tumour on someone's spine and also have zero setbacks afterwards.
Are you calling Jack a bad surgeon? Wasn't he really skilled in the show or something? I forget exactly.
jack was explicitly a surgeon that could make spinal miracles happen, that's why ben took it as a sign that one landed right after he got his diagnosis
It will never happen again. Not because it's impossible for a show like it to exist, but because of the death of monoculture. Shows that everybody watches just aren't a thing anymore, we have a lot of options thanks to streaming and nobody feels compelled to watch a show that "everyone is watching" on the day it airs anymore.
+enjoyed the survival aspect of the show in early seasons
+the early flashbacks and gradual uncovering of characters past was cool
+all the early cast is generally likeable
+most episodes leave you desperate to see the next one, especially season finales
-the story got ridiculous with all the supernatural stuff
-the flashbacks got tiresome once you knew enough
-lockes death was embarrassingly weak
-most of the later cast were insufferable
-time skipping episodes were awful
-villain is evil because.... he just is okay?
-very little information about the first people on the island
-a few characters and storylines that went nowhere, Michael and Walt, Mr Eko, polar bears etc
Overall I enjoyed it, but it had a bit of a Dexter feel to me, where almost every season got worse as the show went on.
7/10
>-lockes death was embarrassingly weak
This is the worst part of the show for me. Locke was basically the main character, sure jack was on paper but Locke was the real soul of the show. His death came out of nowhere and was so nonsensical I didn't believe it. I kept waiting for some sort of reveal that it was a big setup for something and he was going to be alive because it made zero sense the way it happened or everything after it. Honestly the show died for me when he died, everything after felt completely disjointed from what came before.
It's a real shame because up to that point I think they could have salvaged it.
>40+ people just allow Sawyer to hoard all the medicine and stuff
Lol ok, dude would be killed
With streaming and social media I don't think it's possible for a show to ever achieve the same experience. I can't even imagine a possibility of a show reaching such popular cultural appeal with the type of people now running the machine. We would need a total collapse and rebuilding before something could organically rise like that.
>Unfortunately, at the end of the day, it was all for nought and the writers took a shit in our heads
To be fair I think we put too much importance on endings. I'm an an old man, I've seen more shows/movies/anime than I can count or possibly remember.
And 90% of the great moments I do remember are never from the conclusion. They always happen during the journey.
Creating a satisfying ending that enhances the story is the hardest thing to do in writing.
It's as rare as finding an undiscovered diamond mine. To enjoy entertainment past a certain point you have to accept that the ending is almost never going to be satisfying.
If you go into it with that mindset you can enjoy the journey and walk away feeling at least partially fulfilled.
Great endings are simple and can be summed up as "Happily ever after". It's just that 99% of writers cant contain themselves and the further they deviate from that the more they ruin the ending which ruins everything on the way to the ending.
It was made during a time if spiritual awakening, before smartphones and the monopolization of the internet, nothing is made now because we are living a technocrat dystopia that has sapped all spirituality from absolutely everyone in the western world where writers aren't concerned with anything but the universal agenda of greed.
first season was amazing, 2nd season was cool, 3rd season was ridiculous and boring. the rest of the seasons aren't worth mentioning.
the writers of this show clearly had massive hard-ons for themselves.
I rewatched it a couple months ago, I couldn't make it through the last season, it was just so terrible. Second to last season was also boring as fuck.
>noone will ever experience how godawful season 6 was and how it shat on everything Lost has build up
I liked it first time I watched it years ago, but it probably aged like shit. First two seasons are kino though
>but it probably aged like shit
Rewatch it and you'll see just how much better it is than anything from the past five years.
Exactly with all its flaws any show from pre 2010 blows the shit out of almost anything made post 2010. The only thing that has improved with time is the cgi and that only matters for a small handful of sci fi shows.
I liked how in the first season they had a Half Life reference when Siad went to Australia to rat out his terrorist friend. Then in half life episode 2 they paid lost back with a easter egg. These shows had millions of viewers in season 2 and nothing else has pulled off this hype wise with how streaming is. The perfect subject is how South Park pumped out a lazy 6 episodes this year and that was it
Lost was the coolest show ever (maybe alongside with X files), but eventually the Finale was the biggest let down in the history of television
There's nothing wrong with a show being crazy, entertaining, character driven, and a petri dish for the writers. The worst part about modern tv is that no one is trying anything, even the "edgy" shows are trying to be polished and serious. I enjoyed it start to finish and I just picked it up last year.
In fact it remains me of Star Wars fags
>this should have been more serious
>that should have been more serious
>this shouldn't have been that crazy
Stfu and go watch another paint by numbers boardroom creation
>followed the theories
That’s what made it fun, without the message boards and their batshit theorizing and frame by framing you’re getting half the experience at best
>have the same impact
Your ass sounds impacted, if that's what you mean...
>completely forgets about stranger things
Exactly, it was a flash in the pan with no substance.
I didn't like the storyline where Ben and Old Guy with Bad English Accent were just playing a game over who should have the island
In hindsight the best parts of lost is having episodes dedicated to the past of each character being fun enclosed stories especially focusing on character archetypes rarely seen on TV while the main overarching island plot shit the bed near the end.
Wasn't there a lady who was some kind of time janny who popped up at key moments to make sure everything happened the way it was supposed to? Or something like that anyway. The show turned into such a retarded clusterfuck after the first season.
Eloise
Damn, I dont remember this character at all
Eloise was Faraday's mother and she only knew the future because Desmond told Faraday, who wrote it in his notebook, and then Faraday went back in time and the notebook made it to her.
(This doesn't make sense because she can still predict that a random guy with red shoes is going to die and I doubt faraday wrote about that, but whatever, that's what the answer actually is)
someone post lost verticals
The ending was pretty shitty, i have to agree, but the internet (and Cinemaphile especially) during Lost era was absolutely amazing, If you didn't lived in that pre gentrified, pre social media web, with an amazing show like Lost to make everything more exciting, you missed something amazing.
There won't be it was con job mystery after mystery
the way tv and internet works doesnt allow it
So what was the sickness that got mentioned a lot? I can't recall there actually being anything
both the dharma initiative and rousseau were unable to tell that jacob's brother was taking over bodies and making them act weird, and both declared it an unknown disease, that's my interpretation anyway. alternatively that only applies to rousseau and dharma invented the sickness to stop jannies from leaving their stations, meeting the hostiles and getting turned
Last season filtered me so I never finished it
Remember the necromancer who could talk to spirits?
Remember how they never took advantage of the obvious cool thing to do and had him go to the mass grave full of dead DHARMA hippes?
What would that do? It's not like we didn't know what happened to them. Imagine having to sort out which of the 400 corpses knows about the time travel station.
Lost gets tired and predictable after season 3, each twist feels more and more convoluted and stupid. No one even remembers this shitty show anymore, and those who do are delusional fans such as yourself or people who remember as the "oh its that show with a bunch of misteries that dont go anywhere, right? How did it end again?" show
>misteries
Jack got cucked 3 (4?) times and that’s all that matters. Twice by Sawyer. Literally watching on the monitor like in my NTRinos
LOST after season 3
Pretty funny how no one is sure who is cucking who at times
Surprised that none of the actors (except lily as the wasp) were in anything big after that
Not really a big movie, but Jack was kino in Bone Tomahawk
quite a few of the cast ended up doing well on tv, the show also aired when tv actors were almost never given any solid hollywood roles because of the perception that tv actors were lower quality than movie actors
Are Fortnite live events what we got from L O S T?
The same people who watched LOST past S2 were the same people who watched TWD past S2
>unironically comparing LOST to TWD
LOL. Lmao, even.
LOST has 10/10 ultrakino episodes in all six seasons. You honestly going to tell me with a straight face that the likes of The Constant (season 4, episode 5) or Through the Looking Glass (season 3 finale) are even in the same ballpark as anything that The Walking Dead produced during its entire run?
TWD first episode was hollywood movie quality and the rest of the first season was kino. Everything after was 90% trash with a couple of decent episodes scattered throughout.
I watched TWD after binging LOST in like 2011 and barely made it through the first season. Not a single likable character in the bunch, shit was just strange.
Are you me?
I watched it after binging LOST and I couldn't connect to a single character. Gave up around episode 5 or 6 of the first season.
Lost made me hate TV forever. 6 years of edging for a garbage ending that left threads hanging.
>wanting all the answers
what's stopping you from just deciding from yourself? maybe it's up for interpretation, perhaps even on purpose.
i can't tell you what definitely, 100% happened at the end of 2001: A Spacey Odyssey or The Shining. arguably you can look to the novels, but people don't get pissed off at Kubrick the same way they get pissed off at Lindeloff.
Damon said over and over that the answers were forthcoming. If he'd been honest and said "it's going to be on you to write the show" then I'd have nothing to complain out. Don't compare a 2 1/2 hour investment in a Kubrick film to a 6 year jerk off.
with all its flaws i still think it's the best series of all time. the characters and mystery around the island are still unmatched. ending was ok for me, kind of eerie seeing dead people in a church of all religions and accepting their death or passage to heaven. could've been better? fewer plotholes? less magic like moving an island? yeah sure but at least for me no other series has come close to this one. WE HAVE TO BACK when "bad" writers used to write something like lost, instead we get absolute garbage tier writers today
Feels like a source engine game at times
do you remember the weird fan film/ARG thing that combined the Half-Life 2 setting with Lost? "what's in the box?" or something?
what the hell was up with that?
Man I miss the lost memes, no live action show has spawned so much good humor.
>not liking the ending of LOST
Classic sign that someone is an emotionally defective autist. That one scene between Jack and Christian in the church on its own is better than most other shows' entire finales... and in the case of GoT, is better and contains more emotional depth than its entire final season combined.
Lost is perfect from beginning to end and the ultimate pleb filter, as it filters the poseurs too
“Not Penny’s boat” was kinda lame
>writers kill off character in most hilariously stereotypical way for a muslim
How'd they get away with this