2001: A Space Odyssey is the most Lovecraftian movie that I can think of, tied with Alien. Both really convey a sense of cosmic mystery and horror, that there are things out there vastly more powerful than humans. In the case of Alien, it is not the xenomorph itself - after all, it seems like it could easily be defeated by actual soldiers - but rather it is things like the space jockey and the overall way in which the movie conveys a sort of haunted loneliness of space.
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>Lovecraftian
No. Cosmic mystery? Sure, maybe. Horror? Not at all. Cosmic horror implies the existence of being much more powerful than human beings that ALSO are unconcerned with the existence of humanity. An advanced alien race leaving breadcrumbs for their favorite pre-sapient life to follow and evolve is as detached from cosmic horror as you can get.
Also, alien is basically just a monster movie in space. Very not lovecraft.
Its like a venus fly trap, it isn't breadcrumbs for their favorite anything, its just another trap to catch biological prey and keep it enslaved in a weird cosmic zoo before consuming it completely.
There's literally no evidence to support this reading.
Other than the fact that the guy who discovered it got trapped in a weird cosmic zoo and was never seen again.
Did you not finish the movie? He was reborn as space baby - next step of human evolution (speculating a bit on that point, but a lot of evidence supports this). There was no "zoo," you're probably talking about the room he stayed in towards the end. No indication that this place was for anyone's benefit but his own. Learn to interpret the surface elements of narrative, this is embarrassing
Nah, they just cloned him so they could eat him over and over, he was never seen or heard from by humans ever again.
So it's no longer a zoo, but a vending machine? Total horse shit. Also, what does space baby mean? Nothing? It's the last shot of the fricking movie, usually has significance. Are you trolling me?
Nope just a zoo and just like every other zoo where they breed the animals in captivity since its much easier and less invasive to breed your own than to keep capturing more.
Interesting fanfiction.
Tell Kubrick, he is the one who explained it that way.
The astronaut in 2001 isn't merely trapped, he transcends into s higher being
Pretty much this. OP is fundamentally misunderstanding what lovecraftian horror means. Annihilation is more of a lovecraftian horror than Alien or 2001.
St Joshi, the greatest Lovecraft scholar, considers Alien one of the two most Lovecraftian movies ever made
The point is the out of the blue uncompromising aggression the xenomorph represents
But the alien is a primal entity. Sure, the disregard for human life is there, but in no more profound a sense than a fricking lion. You could argue that nature's general disregard for human existence is lovecraftian, but that would make "The Grey" lovecraftian too. Diminishes the term imo
Where did he say that?
Did you actually listen to what he said? He said the aliums "studied" him and then sent him back to earth as a "god like being." Doesn't support the alien zoo or being eaten idea at all. He does compare it to a zoo, but that's what a comparison is. It's not a 1:1 description.
Doesn't really change the analysis. Ants have queens. The fact you can be killed by ants doesn't really convey cosmic horror beyond the really abstract way I described
Again, there's no evidence to support this idea. The "cloning" misconception probs comes from when the main character sees himself as an old man. This was to convey the fact that he can't comprehend how time is passing. See the interview posted earlier
But the alien isn't an insect in comparison to man. Man kills them. Lots of times. Very few lovecraft stories involve man defeating the antagonist and none of them (as far as I recall) involve them killing an old god, which is the most lovecraftian aspect of his writings
>Doesn't support the alien zoo or being eaten idea at all. He does compare it to a zoo, but that's what a comparison is.
>Director says thing is "alien zoo"
>"Doesn't support the idea of it being an alien zoo!"
Lmao
Okay I'm convinced you're trolling. Or at least too stupid to understand basic shit. Either way, eat a dick, moron
>He said the aliums "studied" him and then sent him back to earth as a "god like being.
No, he was never heard from again he didn't make it back to earth, he wasn't god like they clearly devoured him and the closest to godlike is that he gets cloned over and over forever to be studies and consumed.
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You are literally straight up in denial about basic shit, so don't try to lecture us about failing to understand basic shit when you can't accepts kubrick in no uncertain terms said that the point of the movie was to put the guy in a human zoo.
"The aliens study him and send him back to earth as a sort of superman"
>Duh - see he said he's in an alien zoo where he gets cloned and eaten and never comes back to earth
I desperately hope you're trolling because this is just sad if not
No, he is never heard from or seen again, they send more missions and more people die.
Literally says he was sent back to earth in the video you fricking posted, you absolute mongoloid
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No he literally said you can't only guess what happens and he was clearly being facetious because there was no man at the end, let alone a superman, there was a stupid little baby trapped in a little bubble.
He said you can only guess what happens AFTER he's sent back to earth. Are you just ignoring the "transformed into a superman" part? Frick you're a moron
What the frick are you talking about? No where in the film, book, film sequel or book sequel is this even implied. It's literally your schizo headcanon.
The show me the part of the book, sequel, or sequel book where he is heard from again.
The end of the movie where he appears back at earth
You mean where a dead baby is floating in a bubble?
The astronaut was not a baby, the astronaut was never heard from again.
Now you're just getting lazy with the troll. It was pretty solid up to that point
Your troll has been a lazy failure ever since you started saying troll troll troll over and over and providing terrible evidence.
The baby is not the astronaut and the sequel never even references space babies.
You got it mixed up, it's the opposite: according to Lovecraft, man is an insect compared to these creatures and the maddeningly vast realms they inhabit.
In the 1st Alien movie the creature isn't killed, Ripley manages to get it off the ship.
Eh, still. The alien just doesn't have enough power to make humanity insignifigant. Again, maybe in a broader sense you could say it's lovecraftian because nature itself conspires unwittingly through creatures like the alien to kill man but it's a stretch.
Sure it does. Look at what one did to the Nostromo crew and tech.
I wonder how you felt when Cameron made the Xenomorphs into space bugs with a queen and simple minded like a drone.
Primal entities are very much part of Lovecraft's vision too. It knows no strategy, unlike a lion who attacks for specific reasons- hunger, territory, cub protection etc. Also very important: we have a fighting chance against natural predators, while compared to Lovecraftian creatures mankind is reduced to a type of insect status
But there is nothing intrinsically unknowable or maddening about the aliens in that movie. They are apex predators, and that's it.
Sure there is: it suddenly shows up and starts killing them.
>Cosmic horror implies the existence of being much more powerful than human beings that ALSO are unconcerned with the existence of humanity.
What does that sentence even mean? Even in the original Lovecraft lore, there are many cosmic beings who are clearly interested in humans and definitely scheme to influence Earth.
Of course Lovecraft had a completely schizophrenic approach to his writing and there are many contradictions. Cosmic horror as a term is not deep enough to constrain it by some imaginary boundary, which Lovecraft himself didn't follow.
Also the OP is obviously a troll trying to bait people who love nothing more than writing tHaTs NoT CoSmiC HoRRor.
Yeah, probably a troll, but I couldn't resist the bait.
>Even in the original Lovecraft lore, there are many cosmic beings who are clearly interested in humans and definitely scheme to influence Earth.
Not an argument because what defines HPL brand if horror is cosmic hostile indifference towards mankind.
You aren't making much sense, cosmic horror isn't defined by their indifference as there are many stories in Lovecraft lore with cosmic deities of immense power who are not indifferent to humans.
The idea that these stories somehow aren't cosmic horror despite sharing the same universe and themes of cosmic horror as all the others is just bad reasoning. Doesn't make any sense.
How are you describing cosmic horror, then?
Also, indifference doesn't mean they have no effect on people or even that they have no use/communication with them. If I stomp an ant hill for shits and giggles, I'm still showing indifference while still having an effect on them
It is defined by powerful entities or deities on a cosmic level, that is how Lovecraft himself defined his horror stories. It's nothing more than a differentiation of the more common supernatural horror that typically has some root in human deities.
>If I stomp an ant hill for shits and giggles, I'm still showing indifference while still having an effect on them
No, you be indifferent to the sanctity of the ant life, but if you are walking around intentionally genociding ants because you feel like it, you are clearly not indifferent to them. You are being malevolent to the ants, which is clearly not indifference.
In many of his stories, the deities are not simply indifferent to humans, they conspire to do evil to humans.
Except for Buddhists most of us don't consider thesabctity of life when squashing mosquitoes or taking an antibiotic to kill bacteria.
These entities "conspiring" would amount to humans buying Raid. You cling to peripheral aspects of his stories and fail to look at the essential ones.
Yes, Buddhist famously don't swat bugs, they even have a term, couldn't harm a fly, because of their reverence for life, but Jainists go even further in the don't harm plants and animals schtick, its not exclusively Buddhist.
I can't dumb it down any further for you bc you're clinging to exceptions in HPL's output as an argument, so you clearly miss the point about the ultimate premise of his views on horror. Start here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism
They aren't exceptions. And no, that Wikipedia article doesn't refute anything. There are themes of indifference and human insignificance in Lovecraft lore, but obviously this is more a statement of the relative power that humans have. In terms of the writing, it is simply impossible to read Lovecraft and draw the conclusion that malevolence doesn't exist in cosmic horror and it's all just mindless.
Like I already said earlier, Lovecraft was a schizophrenic writer so you kind of have to roll with the punches when it comes to some of the contradictions presented.
Indifference isn't merely a theme for him: it's the very basis for the horrors he described. The malevolence you speak of is how humans in his stories tried to rationalize this imbalance of power. He was a very consistent writer and never sugar-coated his views or offered any respite. A truly Lovecraftian tale at best ends up a postponed apocalypse.
>hostile indifference
Think about the way you swat a mosquito You do it absentmindedly, but for the mosquito is a brutal act of aggression. You're not being calculating or giving it too much thought-- at worst you're only vaguely annoyed. Get it now?
>Captures Dave through the slip gate
>Creates a prison for him without explaining anything to him and he spends DECADES and the rest of his life in that impossible prison
>Literally his life flashing before his eyes as he sees himself rapidly age while they watch
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True about 2001, not alien
The crucial difference us that 2001's extraterrestrial life shows empathy and guidance, whereas the Alien creature is just a hostile ravenous beast utterly indifferent to mankind
I think Alien is a metaphor for how women might feel that pregnancy could destroy their life and the whole subbliminal penis shape of the alien's head.
I think the whole movie is a psy-op to subliminally program women to get more abortions because of a fear their baby will destroy their social life.
What happens at the end is there is a woman alone, with a cat after all her friends are murdered by a black penis baby forcibly born out of a mans chest. Think of how women would process that.
That's a subjective way to look at it. Unintentional or subconscious at best
You're probably giving too much credit to H.R. Giger. In a fundamental level he's probably not that different from the average deviantart furrygay drawing the fetishes that makes his pp hard, except of course that he's extremely talented. God only knows what is happening at the deep layers of his mind. He himself probably never knew.
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Why does everything Kubrick inserted a bunch of his own meaning and mystery into this movie? he followed Arthur C. Clarkes story. All of the "mystery" is explained in the sequel story that Clarke also wrote. They also made a movie of that story. It's not no the level of 2001 but it's a good sci fi flick and followup.
*why does everyone think kubrick inserted a bunch of his own meaning and mystery into this movie
They wrote the story together, novelization came afterwards
I always got the idea that 2001 deeply misunderstands what makes societies evolve with time. It's less about being brought into light by another more advanced civilization or species (or social political leaders in any society) and more about incremental steps, mostly by trial and error, that add to the aggregate cultural heritage of humanity. 2001 feels like a collectivist interpretation of the evolution of societies, where a savior figure that is above everyone else will tell how things should be done. It completely rejects the fact that knowledge is unevenly dispersed among different members of society and that's how we have been making progress, historically.
what is the black rectangle represent?
Constant expansion into multiple dimensions.
Its dimensions are 1^2 by 2^2 by 3^2 by ... into every possible dimension.
Documentaries about robotics, nanotech, biotech, cybernetics, and ai are pure lovercraftian horror
Were literaly making a shoggoth
We are literaly going to witness horrors beyond human capacity of comperhension within our lifetimes
Literaly shit you will look at but your brain will simply refuse to process the horror of it
You will see it, in your lifetime
What is the name of that short story that ends with a bunch of geriatric scholars fighting the reincarnation of some old god at the top of a mountains?
The best lovecraftian film made in the last xy years is The Empty Man. People call it jumbled because it feels like 5 different movies merged into one, but that's how most Lovecraft stories are. Call of Cthulu is a detective investigation, oneiric fantasy, cosmic/kaiju horror, cultist horror etc.
At one point of the film, members of a creepy cult literally chant "Nyarlathotep". The titular Empty Man is quite literally a manifestation of Nyarlathotep.
I'm sorry anon but space is fake. It's a fun fantasy though, just like dinosaurs
Goddamn I love Stanley Kubrick movies and lore.
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FMA 2003 is better.
But FMAB is more enjoyable and adventure like.
Maybe for kids.
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