I thought it was alright. The movie was too long and sorta fell apart in the third act but it was aesthetically pleasing and I thought the performances were good. A sequel with a tighter script that expands on the neo noir influences and abandons the capeshit tropes they forced into the first one could be really good.
The third act had four separate moments that felt like sufficient places to end the film, but they just keep dragging it out. Capeshit pacing has always been kind of wonky, but that was jarring. Makes you wonder what the ending was before it tested poor and was extensively reshot like every other tentpole these days.
This movie shines when it's pulpy neo-noir. Too bad it's Batman, so the stakes have to be in the stratosphere because no one will watch if nothing goes boom.
>A sequel with a tighter script that expands on the neo noir influences
Hope not. Reeves cannot write good neo noir based on this movie nor can he direct one.
Yeah at the time I thought it was pretty good, maybe even the second best Batman period, but now I can't imagine sitting down to watch it again. It has no rewatch value to me at all.
Worse, I'm not even interested in rewatching any of its scenes on YouTube. No memorable dialogue or hard hitting moments. Just a complete non factor for me.
It tries to be the most realistic Batman movie ever, but then has moments where Batman slams his head into a bridge going 100mph. Then cops who all hate him let him come into crime scenes and tamper with evidence and don’t arrest him. Then the city floods at the end. It’s like make up your fricking kind reeves. The dark Knight was fairly grounded, then dark Knight rises came out and bane takes over the whole city and traps all the cops.silly shit. Same with this movie. It’s silly, yet wants to be taken so seriously.
I don't think this was trying to be more realistic than The Dark Knight or even Batman Begins, this was certainly more open to the goofier aspects of the character.
>squirrel suit >bat mobile is just a car >scenes of Bruce putting on the eye makeup when before it seemed to just magically appear and disappear >clunky armour when he walks >Batman boldly walking up to the club door and knocking instead of Batman steal thing his way thru windows or something
It wanted to be more “grounded” than The dark knight, yet also wanted to be sillier than the dark Knight rises.
Bane holding the city hostage with a nuclear bomb is kind of silly, but at the end of the day it's still capeshit. It's always gonna be kinda silly. Unless there's not superhero elements whatsoever, it can never truly be un-silly
Bane holding the city hostage with a nuclear bomb is kind of silly, but at the end of the day it's still capeshit. It's always gonna be kinda silly. Unless there's not superhero elements whatsoever, it can never truly be un-silly
>The “le grounded” capeshit is a fine line to ride.
Because grounded and realistic are marketing terms. Nolan himself would tell you that. What Nolan was going for was verisimilitude/immersion. It's not that TDK's Bat costume and the Tumbler were more realistic than Burton's Bat costume and the Bat Limousine but that it *looks* more realistic(Tacticool armour and a car that looks like a US military APC vehicle) and as a result you buy into this fantastical world a bit more. That Nolan's intention. He said so himself in a interview. So, it's a choice of art direction than a genuine attempt to be realistic.
Reeves on the otherhand seems like a brainlet who doesn't understand this fact. Look at the Squirrel Bat scene and compare it with the Hong Kong gliding scene in TDK. You can argue TDK's gliding tech is less realistic than the Squirrel suit but the TDK scene is much more immersive.
>Look at the Squirrel Bat scene
Thank god, Avatar cucked this film out of the VFX Oscar. That scene was legit terrible. People overhyped that Volume tech a bit too much.
Imagine not being spoonfed shitty Batman films and television your entire life with the occasional “just okay” one, and instead just hearing about them as a dumb foreigner and in an effort to gain culture suffering through a steaming pile of piss stained dogshit
Nah he's right, it outclassed Nolan. The only thing the Nolan trilogy has going for it is the Ledger performance in TDK. Pattinson's Bat is far more Batman-y (Nolan tried to make him a bland hero, Pattinson's is rightfully darker and more emo) and Reeves has a better eye for capeshit shots (the scene of Batman entering the club).
>Nolan tried to make him a bland hero
To be more specific--basically only distinguishable from a James Bond type of hero by the fact that he wears a Bat suit. That's as much as Nolan leaned into the Batman aesthetic.
>Pattinson's Bat is far more Batman-y
If that's the case then Nolan did you a favour. Pats was embarrassing. > Reeves has a better eye for capeshit shots (the scene of Batman entering the club).
Wtf is a capeshit shot? Is ugly bisexual lighting meant for perfume commercials capeshit shots? If so then again, Nolan did you a favor.
I can tell that you just wouldn't get it. Like an ant that thinks it knows about the world but doesn't even realize the scale or purpose of the highway 25 yards away.
>Like an ant that thinks it knows about the world
You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics. Whatever you think is sophisticated about your medium is completely inferior to actual cinema. Don't talk about shots or cinematography because I know what it takes to impress a subhuman like you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics.
Nope. You live to be wrong, like all low IQs.
But I'm able to watch and evaluate capeshit without speeding out because it's not Park Chan Wook. You're trying too hard to impress yourself by the sort of movies you watch, because you know you couldn't possibly succeed by any other means.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You're trying too hard to impress yourself by the sort of movies you watch, because you know you couldn't possibly succeed by any other means.
Stop projecting midwit, I'm calling you out because I watched almost every capeshit worth watching. I know precisely why you're trying project this image of someone who's above all this and it's because you have no genuine insight. You've probably been BTFO way too many times in arguments like. The fact that you think watching Park Chan Wook(one of SKs popular directors) is something pretentious people do is hilarious.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Buddy, you came in mad as hell that someone said Reeves' Batman is better than Nolan, seething out of every orifice, then tried to act like actually you're above capeshit discussion altogether and how did you even get here, and now actually you're a capeshit connoisseur. You're just flat out unintelligent.
I referenced Park Chan Wook because The Handmaiden is the greatest film of all time, by the way. Not because he's obscure. I'm not a tryhard hipster like you and don't have tryhard intentions.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Buddy, you came in mad as hell that someone said Reeves' Batman is better than Nolan.
Lol, Again I need you stop projecting. Remind me again who started the insults in this exchange? I'm not surprised a comicbook manchild is a passive aggressive gay who can't remember comments that he wrote a few minutes ago. > I referenced Park Chan Wook because The Handmaiden is the greatest film of all time, by the way.
Hahahahaha.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Incomprehensible stupid person, this was your entrance to the thread
you're legit mentally ill if you think that
So yeah, by my calculations you probably started the fricking insults. You are so fricking stupid.
I've also told you I'm not a capeshitter but clearly you have the sentience of a rock and can only retain fleeting impressions so it washed over your mind as merely a disagreeable notion which you simply dismissed.
Not responding to you again, I don't argue with literal morons.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hope you consider the rope you subhuman homosexual.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>9000 hours in mspaint
Wow homosexual you sure convinced me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hey dumbass, if you respond on someone else's behalf arguing the same way they would, you're probably going to be taken for that person. Assuming you're not lying, which I have cause to doubt.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if you respond on someone else's behalf arguing the same way they would.
Are you new? Because there's nothing anons responding to comments started by others is normal. I'd like to see how I'm "arguing" the same way because that anon just called you mentally ill and went on their way which in hindsight is better based on this exchange. That said, I'm done wasting my time with you and unlike you I'll actually keep to my word.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bye! Keep your posture straight next time you want to sound intelligent
Buddy, you came in mad as hell that someone said Reeves' Batman is better than Nolan, seething out of every orifice, then tried to act like actually you're above capeshit discussion altogether and how did you even get here, and now actually you're a capeshit connoisseur. You're just flat out unintelligent.
I referenced Park Chan Wook because The Handmaiden is the greatest film of all time, by the way. Not because he's obscure. I'm not a tryhard hipster like you and don't have tryhard intentions.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics. Whatever you think is sophisticated about your medium is completely inferior to actual cinema. Don't talk about shots or cinematography because I know what it takes to impress a subhuman like you.
I think Batman Begins Gotham is quite underrated actually. I think it doesn't get as much attention because it isn't as flashy as other Gothams as it primarily emphasized the urban poverty in the city.
I thought it was great. Pattinson does a good Batman. Not without its flaws. The third act kinda meanders. They could’ve basically left out the whole flooding scene or had some other kind of grand scheme from the riddler that didn’t drag on 40 minutes. Though I get the whole point of it was to have a big cataclysm so Batman could emerge as a symbol of hope rather than vengeance, I’m sure they could have written something tighter that accomplished the same thing. I really liked Kravitz’s Catwoman too, she does the femme fatale antihero bit real well. Gordon felt weak, hopefully he gets better lines in the sequel. A lot of things could’ve been fixed if it was R instead of PG13
I liked it but the climax with the incels from Riddlerchan was some surreal shit. Also, why can’t we fantastical elements on batman movies? Frick, I wanna see Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface and Man Bat. Even when these frickers use interesting guys like Ra’s they manage to make the immortal superhuman assassin into just some guy killed by a train.
Handles Batman and Gotham the best out of any of the movies and has decent direction. but its all just wrapped up in a pretty mediocre story. Batman sucks as a detective and a crimefighter, which i get hes inexperienced, but he accomplished almost nothing besides saving a murderer who gets shot 2 min later
We learn that the Waynes are loosely associated with mobsters. Catwoman has some daddy issues. Those are really the main revelations.
Interesting to have the riddler just win and not really working against batman, but its not really treated as such since he barely beat up 5 video game thugs from Cinemaphile.org and that was a big victory. The ground level heroism scene was nice though.
We are told that now gotham will be a mob ruled shit hole, as opposed to before. Which is kind of a neat setup, but after a 3hr movie with 4 years between it seems cheap to be like "oh now its Batman, oh and remember the joker"
But i dont know compared to that Flash shit , I'll take it
I feel like it dips a little too much into his spooky macabre than gothic or noir, but I don't really disagree. Same goes for the carnival vibe with Penguin and in general, worked better with the Joker. Though obviously Returns penguin is a lot more fun and involved than collin ferral wearing a james gandolfini fat suit with a few scenes.
>dude just film any metropolitan city at night, add tons of dark filter, add rain aesthetics. done. you have your gotham
the batmans gotham was lazy as frick lets be real
I thought it had some cool stuff, some cool scenes, it had a unique style. It was way too long and had too much filler like almost all movies in the past 5 years. The whole setup was cool, kind of like a mystery/detective movie, unlike the other batman movies which are just about his personal life and how he loves rachel and all that stuff. it wasn't the greatest movie ever but it was entertaining and If they come out with a second one I would go see it in the theater, if they haven't closed down the theaters to release everything on hulu/netflix/disney streaming services
>The whole setup was cool, kind of like a mystery/detective movie
Right up until Batman becomes a complete idiot for reasons of plot convenience. It doesn’t take the world’s greatest detective to know what a carpet tucker is, we’re even shown smartphones and the internet exist in this universe. There’s no way it should have taken him as long as it did to put the pieces together. Seems the writers were too focused on making Batman out to be a “privileged white butthole” to write him with a consistent level of intelligence.
Beyond that so much of the movie felt outright ripped off from Fincher films like Seven and Zodiac, and what wasn’t lifted from those was recycled from older Batman movies and the Arkham games. It really lacks an identity of its own, something that for better or worse you couldn’t say about any of the previous incarnations of Batman on film.
I thought it was alright. The movie was too long and sorta fell apart in the third act but it was aesthetically pleasing and I thought the performances were good. A sequel with a tighter script that expands on the neo noir influences and abandons the capeshit tropes they forced into the first one could be really good.
This.
The third act had four separate moments that felt like sufficient places to end the film, but they just keep dragging it out. Capeshit pacing has always been kind of wonky, but that was jarring. Makes you wonder what the ending was before it tested poor and was extensively reshot like every other tentpole these days.
This movie shines when it's pulpy neo-noir. Too bad it's Batman, so the stakes have to be in the stratosphere because no one will watch if nothing goes boom.
>I thought it was alright
Wrong.
>A sequel with a tighter script that expands on the neo noir influences
Hope not. Reeves cannot write good neo noir based on this movie nor can he direct one.
Needs to be more capeshitty
I thought it was pretty good, just too long.
Yeah at the time I thought it was pretty good, maybe even the second best Batman period, but now I can't imagine sitting down to watch it again. It has no rewatch value to me at all.
Worse, I'm not even interested in rewatching any of its scenes on YouTube. No memorable dialogue or hard hitting moments. Just a complete non factor for me.
I was expecting Batman to eat a shotgun like Kurt Cobain and was thoroughly disappointed
It tries to be the most realistic Batman movie ever, but then has moments where Batman slams his head into a bridge going 100mph. Then cops who all hate him let him come into crime scenes and tamper with evidence and don’t arrest him. Then the city floods at the end. It’s like make up your fricking kind reeves. The dark Knight was fairly grounded, then dark Knight rises came out and bane takes over the whole city and traps all the cops.silly shit. Same with this movie. It’s silly, yet wants to be taken so seriously.
I don't think this was trying to be more realistic than The Dark Knight or even Batman Begins, this was certainly more open to the goofier aspects of the character.
>squirrel suit
>bat mobile is just a car
>scenes of Bruce putting on the eye makeup when before it seemed to just magically appear and disappear
>clunky armour when he walks
>Batman boldly walking up to the club door and knocking instead of Batman steal thing his way thru windows or something
It wanted to be more “grounded” than The dark knight, yet also wanted to be sillier than the dark Knight rises.
Seriousness and camp never go together. When will people learn.
Bane holding the city hostage with a nuclear bomb is kind of silly, but at the end of the day it's still capeshit. It's always gonna be kinda silly. Unless there's not superhero elements whatsoever, it can never truly be un-silly
The “le grounded” capeshit is a fine line to ride but tdk and Logan rode it pretty good.
>The “le grounded” capeshit is a fine line to ride.
Because grounded and realistic are marketing terms. Nolan himself would tell you that. What Nolan was going for was verisimilitude/immersion. It's not that TDK's Bat costume and the Tumbler were more realistic than Burton's Bat costume and the Bat Limousine but that it *looks* more realistic(Tacticool armour and a car that looks like a US military APC vehicle) and as a result you buy into this fantastical world a bit more. That Nolan's intention. He said so himself in a interview. So, it's a choice of art direction than a genuine attempt to be realistic.
Reeves on the otherhand seems like a brainlet who doesn't understand this fact. Look at the Squirrel Bat scene and compare it with the Hong Kong gliding scene in TDK. You can argue TDK's gliding tech is less realistic than the Squirrel suit but the TDK scene is much more immersive.
Good take. Reeves is an unimaginative hack.
>Look at the Squirrel Bat scene
Thank god, Avatar cucked this film out of the VFX Oscar. That scene was legit terrible. People overhyped that Volume tech a bit too much.
Volume is just media hype. It's not even that much of an improvement over traditional greenscreens and is only useful in specific cases.
Imagine not being spoonfed shitty Batman films and television your entire life with the occasional “just okay” one, and instead just hearing about them as a dumb foreigner and in an effort to gain culture suffering through a steaming pile of piss stained dogshit
how the riddler captured a Cinemaphile's Anon
better than nolan
cope
Nolan lives rent free in Batgays heads.
Nah, it's not even better than TDKR
you're legit mentally ill if you think that
Nah he's right, it outclassed Nolan. The only thing the Nolan trilogy has going for it is the Ledger performance in TDK. Pattinson's Bat is far more Batman-y (Nolan tried to make him a bland hero, Pattinson's is rightfully darker and more emo) and Reeves has a better eye for capeshit shots (the scene of Batman entering the club).
>Nolan tried to make him a bland hero
To be more specific--basically only distinguishable from a James Bond type of hero by the fact that he wears a Bat suit. That's as much as Nolan leaned into the Batman aesthetic.
>Pattinson's Bat is far more Batman-y
If that's the case then Nolan did you a favour. Pats was embarrassing.
> Reeves has a better eye for capeshit shots (the scene of Batman entering the club).
Wtf is a capeshit shot? Is ugly bisexual lighting meant for perfume commercials capeshit shots? If so then again, Nolan did you a favor.
I can tell that you just wouldn't get it. Like an ant that thinks it knows about the world but doesn't even realize the scale or purpose of the highway 25 yards away.
>Like an ant that thinks it knows about the world
You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics. Whatever you think is sophisticated about your medium is completely inferior to actual cinema. Don't talk about shots or cinematography because I know what it takes to impress a subhuman like you.
>You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics.
Nope. You live to be wrong, like all low IQs.
But I'm able to watch and evaluate capeshit without speeding out because it's not Park Chan Wook. You're trying too hard to impress yourself by the sort of movies you watch, because you know you couldn't possibly succeed by any other means.
>You're trying too hard to impress yourself by the sort of movies you watch, because you know you couldn't possibly succeed by any other means.
Stop projecting midwit, I'm calling you out because I watched almost every capeshit worth watching. I know precisely why you're trying project this image of someone who's above all this and it's because you have no genuine insight. You've probably been BTFO way too many times in arguments like. The fact that you think watching Park Chan Wook(one of SKs popular directors) is something pretentious people do is hilarious.
Buddy, you came in mad as hell that someone said Reeves' Batman is better than Nolan, seething out of every orifice, then tried to act like actually you're above capeshit discussion altogether and how did you even get here, and now actually you're a capeshit connoisseur. You're just flat out unintelligent.
I referenced Park Chan Wook because The Handmaiden is the greatest film of all time, by the way. Not because he's obscure. I'm not a tryhard hipster like you and don't have tryhard intentions.
>Buddy, you came in mad as hell that someone said Reeves' Batman is better than Nolan.
Lol, Again I need you stop projecting. Remind me again who started the insults in this exchange? I'm not surprised a comicbook manchild is a passive aggressive gay who can't remember comments that he wrote a few minutes ago.
> I referenced Park Chan Wook because The Handmaiden is the greatest film of all time, by the way.
Hahahahaha.
Incomprehensible stupid person, this was your entrance to the thread
So yeah, by my calculations you probably started the fricking insults. You are so fricking stupid.
I've also told you I'm not a capeshitter but clearly you have the sentience of a rock and can only retain fleeting impressions so it washed over your mind as merely a disagreeable notion which you simply dismissed.
Not responding to you again, I don't argue with literal morons.
Hope you consider the rope you subhuman homosexual.
>9000 hours in mspaint
Wow homosexual you sure convinced me.
Hey dumbass, if you respond on someone else's behalf arguing the same way they would, you're probably going to be taken for that person. Assuming you're not lying, which I have cause to doubt.
>if you respond on someone else's behalf arguing the same way they would.
Are you new? Because there's nothing anons responding to comments started by others is normal. I'd like to see how I'm "arguing" the same way because that anon just called you mentally ill and went on their way which in hindsight is better based on this exchange. That said, I'm done wasting my time with you and unlike you I'll actually keep to my word.
Bye! Keep your posture straight next time you want to sound intelligent
>You're a capeshitter, a fan of a bottom of the barrel piece of media known as American superhero comics. Whatever you think is sophisticated about your medium is completely inferior to actual cinema. Don't talk about shots or cinematography because I know what it takes to impress a subhuman like you.
> You don't like capeshit you must be a commie
You probably thought what you typed out was profound, kek.
outclassed it in what sense? nolan had better cinematography, better batman, better gotham, better story and it out stay its welcome
I think Batman Begins Gotham is quite underrated actually. I think it doesn't get as much attention because it isn't as flashy as other Gothams as it primarily emphasized the urban poverty in the city.
>better gotham
Perhaps in Begins, but in TDK and TDKR it was just Chicago
>please, please take us seriusly
Zzzzzzzz
I thought it was great. Pattinson does a good Batman. Not without its flaws. The third act kinda meanders. They could’ve basically left out the whole flooding scene or had some other kind of grand scheme from the riddler that didn’t drag on 40 minutes. Though I get the whole point of it was to have a big cataclysm so Batman could emerge as a symbol of hope rather than vengeance, I’m sure they could have written something tighter that accomplished the same thing. I really liked Kravitz’s Catwoman too, she does the femme fatale antihero bit real well. Gordon felt weak, hopefully he gets better lines in the sequel. A lot of things could’ve been fixed if it was R instead of PG13
I watched it on my phone
Me too. In an airport.
I liked it but the climax with the incels from Riddlerchan was some surreal shit. Also, why can’t we fantastical elements on batman movies? Frick, I wanna see Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface and Man Bat. Even when these frickers use interesting guys like Ra’s they manage to make the immortal superhuman assassin into just some guy killed by a train.
It was a snoozefest. I have a feeling the next one is going to underperform.
Reeves first is better than Nolan's first and TDK was huge. I wouldn't count out Barry Keoghan and Robert Pattinson to deliver.
Handles Batman and Gotham the best out of any of the movies and has decent direction. but its all just wrapped up in a pretty mediocre story. Batman sucks as a detective and a crimefighter, which i get hes inexperienced, but he accomplished almost nothing besides saving a murderer who gets shot 2 min later
We learn that the Waynes are loosely associated with mobsters. Catwoman has some daddy issues. Those are really the main revelations.
Interesting to have the riddler just win and not really working against batman, but its not really treated as such since he barely beat up 5 video game thugs from Cinemaphile.org and that was a big victory. The ground level heroism scene was nice though.
We are told that now gotham will be a mob ruled shit hole, as opposed to before. Which is kind of a neat setup, but after a 3hr movie with 4 years between it seems cheap to be like "oh now its Batman, oh and remember the joker"
But i dont know compared to that Flash shit , I'll take it
>Handles Batman and Gotham the best out of any of the movies
Burton. No movie has a better Gotham than Batman Returns.
I feel like it dips a little too much into his spooky macabre than gothic or noir, but I don't really disagree. Same goes for the carnival vibe with Penguin and in general, worked better with the Joker. Though obviously Returns penguin is a lot more fun and involved than collin ferral wearing a james gandolfini fat suit with a few scenes.
burton only got gotham right, everything else was shit
>dude just film any metropolitan city at night, add tons of dark filter, add rain aesthetics. done. you have your gotham
the batmans gotham was lazy as frick lets be real
>thinking
it was the best batman film they've made to date because it was the least like a comic book
>least like a comic book
this tbh, i liked how batman bounced of several solid objects diving from a skyscraper - really sold me on the realism
First part of the movie, until the penguin chase, was decent/good. After that it went downhill fast,.it fals apart.
Bruce wayne should be a womanizer, playboy. Reeves dont understand that the mask is the bruce wayne persona, and not the bat
It’s Batman Begins but twice as long and half as good.
I thought it had some cool stuff, some cool scenes, it had a unique style. It was way too long and had too much filler like almost all movies in the past 5 years. The whole setup was cool, kind of like a mystery/detective movie, unlike the other batman movies which are just about his personal life and how he loves rachel and all that stuff. it wasn't the greatest movie ever but it was entertaining and If they come out with a second one I would go see it in the theater, if they haven't closed down the theaters to release everything on hulu/netflix/disney streaming services
>The whole setup was cool, kind of like a mystery/detective movie
Right up until Batman becomes a complete idiot for reasons of plot convenience. It doesn’t take the world’s greatest detective to know what a carpet tucker is, we’re even shown smartphones and the internet exist in this universe. There’s no way it should have taken him as long as it did to put the pieces together. Seems the writers were too focused on making Batman out to be a “privileged white butthole” to write him with a consistent level of intelligence.
Beyond that so much of the movie felt outright ripped off from Fincher films like Seven and Zodiac, and what wasn’t lifted from those was recycled from older Batman movies and the Arkham games. It really lacks an identity of its own, something that for better or worse you couldn’t say about any of the previous incarnations of Batman on film.