A hero can drop to a villain in an instant, but is it possible for a villain to ever be seen as a hero?
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A hero can drop to a villain in an instant, but is it possible for a villain to ever be seen as a hero?
In the eyes of the world? Probably not. In himself? Maybe.
Sometimes
Is there a difference between anti-hero and villain turned good? More a complete 360 versus
The trope of villain turned good ultimately works because the villain recognizes the damage they've caused and accept the facts as they are but are still willing to throw power away for a better tomorrow.
What about Magneto? He is the same jackass (less 'muh holocaust') but the Marvel universe is so moronic he has been heroic for years.
It is easy to make magneto a hero, he simply thinks mutants are superior to humans and are against humans.
If you give another villian like apocalypse then magneto will be good and a hero and will protect mutants.
There were also other stories where he was just good. It is also easy to make him a villian again, humans just have to do something anti mutant.
This is true for the movies and the comics
By this logic Neo Nazis are heroes when people are anti white
Let's say mexico attacked the usa and neo nazis fought mexicans then yeah they would be considered heroes.
Magneto is Malcolm X and professor x is Martin Luther King. I think Stan Lee even said so.
Magneto was good in other times too, then went back to being bad multiple times, but if mutants are threatened then he usually plays the good guy.
>Magneto is Malcolm X and professor x is Martin Luther King. I think Stan Lee even said so.
This is why people need to actually read 1960s X-Men. What you're talking about is a 1980s Claremont idea that Stan Lee credited himself and Jack Kirby with coming up with. Their Magneto was a Red Skull-tier evil villain.
>but if mutants are threatened then he usually plays the good guy.
Protecting your own people and openly hating everyone else doesn't really make you a good guy, especially when your warmongering and terrorism are the main reasons everyone hates your people.
>especially when your warmongering and terrorism are the main reasons everyone hates your people.
Not really ppl kicked their kids from home for being mutants and some ppl generally hate mutants.
In marvel there are different runs, magneto can be bad or good or change during the story.
>This is why people need to actually read 1960s X-Men. What you're talking about is a 1980s Claremont idea that Stan Lee credited himself and Jack Kirby with coming up with. Their Magneto was a Red Skull-tier evil villain.
Yes magneto changed a lot from very bad to hero and then back to villian depending on the story.
Nobody knew what a mutant even was until Magneto went to war on the world. Don't pretend they were hated and persecuted before people even knew they existed.
They were hated that is one of the biggest themes of the x-men comics lol...
Replying on Cinemaphile is kinda pointless it seems, like wtf... You probably like read one x-men comic...
bye
They weren't hated to begin with, you nugget. The "big themes" you're talking about don't really become the "big themes" until years later. How the hell do you think they were hated before anyone even knew they existed?
>Magneto is Malcolm X and professor x is Martin Luther King
Also in addition to being made up by Stan retroactively, this is incredibly insulting to MLK and Malcolm X and I love the characters
>Malcolm X is a violent terrorist who repeatedly tries to over throw the world so he can rule it causing millions of deaths
>MLK is shady and manipulative, using a child army to engage in high-impact respectability politics and pretends to be a white guy for several years in the beginning
Loki
Loki wasnt avillain and not a hero. He was always noone.
Even ignoring like 1/4 of Marvel heroes were villains at first that was kind of the core concept of Thunderbolts forever
>1/4 of Marvel heroes were villains at first that
What? No they weren't.
i was exaggerating for effect but a lot were
Wolverine, Black Widow, Groot, Hawkeye... who are some other high profile ones? Venom, and Magneto, obviously...
Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Wonder Man, Rogue, Sunfire, Banshee, Multiple Man.
Right, should have kept thinking with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, there are some obvious ones there.
Oh! Wade Wilson, right? Domino too.
As long as they aren’t white then yeah
>Wolverine and Hawkeye started out as villains
Cry more white boy.
Well if someone like polka dot man whose relatively unknown decides to throw away his life of crime and become a hero the transition would be seamless. If the Joker one day decided to start playing for the other team no matter what he did people are still going to call him evil
Read comics lol yes all the fricking time. eg magneto, deadpool.
Harley went from villain to hero and Poison Ivy has gone from villain to anti hero.
Picollo and Vegeta.
Yes
Suicide Squad and Thunderbolts say "Hello".
Harley Quinn
Frick DC for doing that.
If you need a Marvel example, then Punisher or Venom.
Lot easier to throw people into space to become villein than save a couple hundred and be known a hero.
What if you're throwing someone into space to save a couple hundred people?
Injustice tells us your city explodes and you become bad guy.
>>Inb4 omnipotent Dr. Doomposter
Doom has always been a hero, so only idiots would post him in this thread.