>A high quality crowdfunded TV show about the life of Jesus made by Christian conservatives (Catholic and Protestant) on its third season is streaming for free on its own app with no ads
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if I wanted to see a shitty fantasy show with retarded lore I'd watch the wheel of time
*tips menorah*
this version is pozzed as fuck and made by troll hybrid moron worshippers
they literally made joseph a moron
*tips fedora*
Edit: thanks for all the upfedoras, fellow atheists. In this moment we are euphoric.
why are you even here? Go back to support homosexuality and blacks, anon.
It was Askually made by evangelical Christians
I can't watch the 3rd season because the app won't download
I've watched an animated series similar to it better version
So wait.. even fucking Christians can't stick to their own source material? What fucking retards, they're no better than any other showrunners steering off the pages of a book into fanfic plotlines.
What a goddamn racket film and television are. One of the oldest and historically relevant stories that we can still read and they can't give it a proper 1:1-- what is Jesus gonna have a steamy sex scene right before he's crucified? Stupid shit fuck this world.
I don't hate christians anymore, but whenever you'd try to debait one, they never stick to the bible being accurate, it's always piecemeal picking and choosing which parts are literal historical truth and which are parables. Talking snakes and lions asking for baptism are parables, but the virgin birth and resurrection are literal truth.
Its kind of obvious that the bible would have to be unbelievable. If it was just historical then it wouldn't require any faith.
Why is not having faith the only thing you really go to hell for? Seriously you can mutilate a baby while you're raping it and still go to heaven as long as you sincerely have faith and ask for forgiveness and worship Jesus from then on, but not having faith and not sinning like that gets you hell.
Because you weren't there when God was laying the foundations of the Earth, and you don't know what it took to wrest creation from the void, so you don't get to judge God's wisdom, who finds fault in his angels.
>YOU DON'T GET TO QUESTION GOD
Guess if I'm going to hell one way or the other for not believing in it all based off nothing but the book then I might as well skip all the ass kissing.
Its easy to dismiss you know I guess, but you know, you get culture and civilization to advance from the bronze age to where we are now. "Go through all this trouble for no eternal reward everybody!" And, uh you know, see if you get people to scrimp and save and sacrifice for the future without Cain and Abel.
And you talk about Hell and its like yeah, thats what happens to the world when people follow the bible.
So I can take the bible as an inherited ancestral blueprint for civilization, or the word of god. The one is a fact the other is faith. But thar it us the first thing, the instruction manual, the autoCAD save file or whatever, for civilization, I dont think you can deny
>the autoCAD save file or whatever, for civilization, I dont think you can deny
I don't even try to deny its usefulness, only its literal status and believability as actual fact. I'm sure there was a guy named Jesus that existed, and history supports that without the bible. Beyond that is a fucking crap shoot.
>you get culture and civilization to advance from the bronze age to where we are now. "Go through all this trouble for no eternal reward everybody!"
Religion is a fiction we create to give purpose to our suffering. The bronze age kings (landholders) were God-kings, their civil authority came from religious belief.
>And, uh you know, see if you get people to scrimp and save and sacrifice for the future without Cain and Abel.
You're just admitting you need the fiction.
>fiction
theres that word again. Cain and Abel my not have happened per se, I mean, you know, as told as part of the story of the Garden of Eden.
But to call it fictitious.. wow. You don't understand it.
>Cain and Abel my not have happened per se
>as told as part of the story of the Garden of Eden.
Bud that is literally how you would describe what fiction is.
Yeah but it happens. Fratricide. And its like four paragraphs long. I wouldn't call it fiction. I doubt that really plays. The Bible sure call it fiction whatever, but Cain and Abel is too short, and too much of it is real.
>literally described as being the first offspring of the first man and woman to ever exist
>Cain wanders until he magically finds a land full of other people that came from ?
So the very first humans already had language to even be able to pass this story down?
Well that parts kind of funny.
But if I told you the store of Cain and Abel I don't think that part would even make it into the story. It's certainly not what I think about. You've read the story?
>You've read the story?
I have. I have problem with it being a story, even with the plot holes. Can apply that to all of the bible really. It's a decent, classic story that spawned many others, arguably even all others, and has a ton of good points.
>It's a decent, classic story
Yeah I mean its really not even that, sorry. Much of it is like a young retarded civilization's fever dream. Much of it is even anti-thesis to like a good story, since when God wants to intervene in the world he tends to invert norms. So you're nice normal story gets kind of corrupted a lot into something thats kind of weird, or cringey, or unpalatable. See Jacob and Esau for example.
>So you're nice normal story
This is the guy pretending to be a superior intellectual
Only ESLs care about correct engluhs
>Much of it is like a young retarded civilization's fever dream.
Yes but it's more than just that, it's proto-fiction. Most of the first stories mankind told. When looked it in context it's unfair to judge it too harshly.
It's like looking at some classic film that spawned a genre but was made 50 some years ago, so has been improved and subverted to death and done much better hundreds of times; if you'd never seen the original before it looks extremely simplistic and trite and full of tropes, but the better versions and tropes wouldn't even exist without it.
Maybe I've been too harsh with my wording, just because it's fiction doesn't mean there isn't truth. The boy who cried wolf isn't real but there's wisdom in it. So the truth in the Bible wouldn't be in the miracles, they would be in the things that are true in and of themselves. Water into wine is made up by men to try to claim their authority as divine. Resist not evil is truth because it is a universal truth without having to be proven by miracle, which makes it divine. The council of Nicaea destroyed everything.
>So the truth in the Bible wouldn't be in the miracles, they would be in the things that are true in and of themselves.
The Bible itself is miraculous. Or else its the inevitable product of a long, knock 'em out drag 'em out bout with existence that humanity has been enduring on a purely physical level and being honed by eons of ancestral knowledge explain its perfection.
There are miracles in the Bible but they're not the things most obviously depicted as miracles. The Beatitudes are miracles. Jesus curing the blind is not. That's added in so as to claim it as divine so as to justify their earthly power linked to that divinity.
"Why should I believe this Jesus guy?"
"Well see our guy did magic so you know it's real!"
No, it's Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth that is one of the miracles. We should belong to no nation but the Kingdom of God
>DECLARE! IF THOU HAST UNDERSTANDING
>O fish, are you constant to the old covenant?
Probably his best book. Would make a great movie or miniseries
when I read the book I pictured Andrew Hale in my mind as David McCallum and Elena Teresa Ceniza-Bendiga as Eva Marie Saint
I imagined Hale similarly. I thought of Elena as more like Audrey Hepburn but with a slight Mediterranean sultriness. I can't think of an actress who would fit my mental image of Machikha Nash, maybe Gal Gadot if she had a curvy figure.
Sofia Boutella
Good choice, she's so perfect for that role I can't believe I didn't think of her.
Because existence wasn't created by 21st century western civilization man and his set of morals and ethics. Our subjective definition of right and wrong is immaterial to the objective law that created reality. And if God were to bend to what was fashionably tolerant and kind as our definitions evolve and change literally by the minute, He wouldn't be God.
MOHDI JAI HIND!
>2000 years of apologetics
>yeah like I totally spoke to this random dude and he said some stuff
Atheists, ladies and gentlemen
>2000 years of copes
How was the universe created?
10 seconds
This is what Nietzsche meant by God is dead. The protestant reformation proved the Church to be full of shit (the sacraments are manmade to ritually reaffirm the authority of the human created Church with all their pedo-priests) and now your relationship with God is whatever you want it to be, which is missing the point of submitting yourself to a higher power.
The funny shit is I was raised evangelical so submitting to a higher power wouldn't be an issue.
It's submitting to a higher power I can only hope is there on nothing but faith in some ancient book full of plot holes I can't do anymore.
Ya all forms of Christianity that have made it to the present day are some corrupted version made to keep whoever preaches it powerful. The true Christians are the pacifists that hid from Roman persecution, once it became co-opted by the authority of the State everything was ruined.
>once it became co-opted by the authority of the State everything was ruined.
Thanks, ~~*Saul of Damascus*~~
This is not really true. This is just some stupid conspiracy theory
You're right. It would benefit that poster
to look into what groups reject Paul, and why, and what other beliefs they profess or reject, and why.
And why you feel it's okay to ignore large parts of the Bible. Is it because you personally don't like what's in it, and you seek to justify yourself? You feel pressured by the world, and find it hard to defend? Got embarrassed in an argument by a fast talking atheist or Muslim or garden gnome? Or some exotic new flavor of heretic?
The answer in all cases is to pray, read the Bible (all of it), and discern truth from falsehood. Not be taken in by Satan's servants who deny context, play on insecurities, and heap scorn on God's beloved children. God be with you.
How would I benefit from anything that happens here? We're all just shitposting.
>And why you feel it's okay to ignore large parts of the Bible.
Because that's already been done by the people who decided what should be in the Bible. They reduced all the Gospels to 4. They decided what is and isn't divine. Man did that. I'm saying what's actually God's word is lost to us, I don't know the truth either. The true Christians were those in Jesus' congregation, we're just pathetic imitators and we can't be anything more BECAUSE OF THE CHURCH.
Do you even believe Jesus to be the son of God?
Where does this purity test come from? If you can decide in your mind I'm not a believer you get to ignore everything I say out of hand because you don't like what it would mean in regards to your current relationship to Jesus and God but you don't know how to properly form arguments?
I'll take that as a no.
That's just the answer you want.
But am I incorrect?
Yes
Why not just be forthcoming? In a world where there is so much deceit. If you are a follower of Christ as you say, surely you must be frustrated by the throngs of wolves in sheep's clothing, who hate Christ, yet dare to tell Christians how to be better Christians. Yes, I will dismiss out of hand any assertions by a declared enemy of my Lord who wants to mislead me into bad outcomes.
With that out of the way, if you believe the Bible to tell you that Jesus is Lord, why do you not believe when it says that it is God's eternal Word, that shall not perish, not one tiddle or dot?
>I don't like what you're saying so it's not true, no I don't need to elaborate.
He doesn't really have an argument, does he? How does someone respond to an empty conspiracy theory?
There you go again, saying the conclusion without the argument and acting superior as if it were the truth. Why do you think such conceit could ever represent the truth?
"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
>saying the conclusion without the argument and acting superior as if it were the truth
Well yeah, that’s the foundation of religion.
Take a look at what the "conspiracy theorist" said
>Ya all forms of Christianity that have made it to the present day are some corrupted version made to keep whoever preaches it powerful. The true Christians are the pacifists that hid from Roman persecution, once it became
This is just a series of conspiracy theory statements.
About as useful as someone saying all politicians are reptilians.
A retarded conspiracy theorist statement because, yes, we can see how true Christians were in the day because we have written accounts and books that are thousands of years old.
Yes, exactly.
And we do know of the succession of the apostles
My point is we don't live like they do anymore. We don't live true to Jesus' word when we follow any modern Church. When I say we're lost I mean the way we worship is completely corrupted. Now go give your money to someone who'll buy a private jet or shelter a rapist priest. (Even if you personally don't do that literally billions on earth do, as man not God intended.)
I think you misunderstood completely. I'm not saying the true Christians hid and stayed hidden to this very day as some underground society like mole people, I'm saying once Rome took the religion and made it their own thing it stopped having it's original meaning which was pacifism, you can't belong to a State and the Kingdom of God. It's an oversimplification of history but this is a Malaysian box folding chatroom and we're even supposed to be talking about tv.
>About as useful as someone saying all politicians are reptilians.
Try to look a little deeper and see that person would through metaphor be saying politician's motivating self interests to survival would be completely alien to yours and you should not trust them with power.
The doctrine of the Church is the same as it was. Detachment of material goods and of the pleasures of the flesh. Charity to the poor.
Of course there are corrupted Bishops. That was true even in the beginning when 1 of the 12 sold Jesus for 33 pieces of silver.
But the doctrine didn't change.
>The true Christians are the pacifists
shut the fuck up shmuley
Thats why a copy of Thus Spake Zerathustra is in every hotel room and no one but a philosophy grad student would pick up the bible without a gun point at their head.. oh wait
There's only a bible in all the hotel rooms because the rapture can't happen until everyone alive at one time knows about Jesus.
Which really makes the N Sentinelese problematic.
>There's only a bible in all the hotel rooms because the rapture can't happen until everyone alive at one time knows about Jesus.
If I wrote a book that said that everyone would get free blowjobs when everybody knows about my book it wouldn't sell a single copy. There's a deeper reason.
>who are the Gideons
They could have put Nieztchian clap trap in every hotel if they wanted. But they didn't because he's not that important because what he wrote wasn't that important.
>one discord group of people forcing a meme means the meme is "important"
How many Sneed related images have you saved
Maybe a dozen.
>Christianity is the oldest running version of The Game in existence
What are you trying to say here? Nietzsche didn't try to become to new religion he was giving a critique on our society that lacks religion. Ya that Bible is in every hotel and nobody fucking reads it either; the people who would brought their own anyway.
>the quality of a thing is decided by its popularity with the masses
upvoted
its a big anthology with hundreds of authors written over thousands of years
a big selling point for Catholics is that the church traditions and professional priesthood is there to help interpret all the stuff that's going on in it
He's an analogy a person like you might understand: the Vedas are important to Hindus, but they don't follow them to the letter-- stuff like sacrificing and eating cows would be unthinkable to you. Meanwhile stuff like the Mahabharata and the Ramayana are much more relevant and popular to modern-day Hindus, and they read more like a believable, concise narrative than the archaic poetry of the Vedas
>a big selling point for Catholics is that the church traditions and professional priesthood is there to help interpret all the stuff that's going on in it
Holy fuck this made me think of EU fags nerdily explaining all the star wars plot holes
>disneyslop analogy
It's more like if the editors of the EU stuff all came together to explain it, but yeah, sort of
It worked well until Protestant Sola Scriptura became the a la mode way of reading the Bible-- I'm a little sad that the church fathers never really created a sort of Lotus Sutra for Christiantiy, a text which serves as a clean guide to interpretation-- a few tried, but the best we have today is the CCC.
Out of all the world religions, Mayahana Buddhists probably did the best with their retcons and reinterpretations-- I'm not Buddhist and never will be, but I can easily respect the logic behind their apologetics
>EU
>disneyslop analogy
Good job, I got mad as a kneejerk.
Things like this show that you are somewhat uncultured. This seems to be common among "New Atheist" types.
Theology and Philosophy are not easy disciplines that can be understood just by reading books without some form of preparation. Specially those written 2,000 years ago in different languages.
Let's forget about Christianity for a minute and think of Stoic philosophy. It is fairly common to have people reading Marcus Aurelius' Meditations and having a very wrong understanding of Stoicism.
>Theology
>hey we made up some shit, now figure it out
That's not really an answer, is it?
You’re just making up your own no matter what. Theology is just guided “figure it out yourself” with footnotes and other examples.
Anon, you know what I meant and you know you don't have an answer to it, you are just stubbornly trying to answer for the sake of answering.
I will say in easier words:
"It is easy for someone who is not well educated to misunderstand parts of the Bible and other Christian beliefs just as it is easy to someone who is not well educated to misunderstand Ancient Philosophy. The subject matter is hard and the books were written thousands of years ago in ancient languages"
>criticizing the Bible? That’s just misunderstanding it! You need to perform at least this much mental gymnastics to really understand it!
Yes, you need to understand the concept and what the writers meant
Or it just doesn’t make sense, on purpose, so people will spend their lives trying to make sense of it
Anon, you are just showing your ignorance of old texts (not only religious ones). As expected of a New Atheist.
Or the only reason people study “scripture” is the belief it is the word of the almighty. Without that it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
As a Christian, I'm a biblical literalist. I'm actually confounded by other Christians that aren't. If you believe in an all-powerful God who created everything and for whom nothing is impossible, why quibble over what was written that He did?
>actually creating the universe in six days isn't literal, that'd just be silly
This cognitive dissonance makes no sense to me.
First based post in the thread. Space is fake. Earth is 6,000 years old flat and has a dome
Unironically, yes.
>they never stick to the bible being accurate, it's always piecemeal picking
yep a lot of christians are race mixers that hate homosexuals when you bring up what the bible says about homosexuality they agree with it if you bring up the scripture that speaks at length about race mixing they completely dismiss they also for some reason believe they have a better understanding than men who devoted their existence to a true christian life
evangelicans and protestants are the ones practicing their own hedonistic version of christanity why do you think martin luther couldnt even tell his own mother to join his church? fucking dumbasses you guys are the ones that just make shit up and think you know better than everyone before you and now christanity is cucked as shit and bows to morons and garden gnomes, it wasnt protestants defending europe and repelling islamic forces you fucks were vassals while catholics were forming knight orders and crusades to get rid of literal fucking invaders while you fuck heads kept creating shit until it finally fucking stuck
the old testament is for garden gnomes. People cite the "I didn't come to abolish the law" verse but he was talking to garden gnomes that were following him.
Read acts 15, it says gentiles should not be burdened with gnomish law, and they only should worry about worship of false gods, blood, and sexual immorality. Anyone who frets about old testament stuff and even applies it in their protestant churches are larpers. The amount of hebrew larpers learning the language and even fucking doing gnomish customs and holidays among protestants is insane.
>the old testament is for garden gnomes. People cite the "I didn't come to abolish the law" verse but he was talking to garden gnomes that were following him.
old testament is also where all the slavery and stoning shit christians get piled on over comes from but no one says a word to garden gnomes about it.
>Christian conservatives (Catholic and Protestant)
>Catholic and Protestant
so non christians and garden gnome larpers? no thanks
saying anything after genesis is not literal factual truth is heresy
>t. American nu-orthodox larper
Can you guys please stop infested my ethnochurch? Our liturgy will never be in English so stop asking
I've noticed this too. Why is Orthodoxy taking off so much? Don't think it's bad per se just curious
I genuinely believe it's just counter culture rebellion. A generation growing up in the shadow of the degenerate one before them swinging the pendulum back.
My concern would be whether their face is genuine or if they just want to be part of a group
I think its the fact that they go from completely sterile gymnasium-tier Protestant churches to actually having music, icons, incense, and aesthetics in general helps attract them-- everything is new and novel to them, and because Orthodoxy hasn't been dragged through the mud as much as Catholicism has by the media, they feel safer approaching it. You see a lot of "Orthodox people are non degenerates" online but most of the people I see in person are just kinda drawn in by the aesthetics-- lots of Americans like the fact that its more decentralized than Catholicism too, but that's more of a bonus to them. Most of them need to be retaught a LOT of their theology.
It's a show that puts emphasis on Jesus' disciples, so it takes creative liberties to expand on those characters. In the Bible several of the disciples are given a name and nothing else, so the show gives them a personality and backstory
Will there be a high budget Rome season for Peter?
>fedora fills with seethe steam as le atheist crys about not every single minute of a jesus tv show being exact to every letter of le bibleeeeeee
>So wait.. even fucking Christians can't stick to their own source material?
where exactly do you think the term "canon" comes from?
>Christians can't stick to their own source material?
Christianity is not a "religion of the book". It is not like the Islam that is based on the Quran or Mormonism. The Bible is one of the sources of Christianity and the first generation of Christians didn't have access to most of the book.
This show in particular didn't aim to be a "live action adaption of the Gospels" but a fictional show about the apostles that didn't conflict with the Bible.
The most boomer thing I’ve ever done was go to a local theatre to watch a season premiere of this.
Comfy and worth it.
Don't feel alone I did this as well, with my mother. Couldn't believe the amount of "baptists" there
It is a great show, but I'm still on the first season.
Take your time but don't believe what they depict on the tv series
Some reliable priests said good things about the show.
But yeah, of course some things were created for the show. For example, Peter's gambling debts.
>priests
>reliable
Is changing the story of the bible not blasphemy? My heavily evangelical grandparents loves this show, I thought it was good too. Actually even my reddit Christian hating gutter punk chud friend said it was good but probably only because they made Jesus brown.
They didn't do anything that goes against the Bible. They just filled material in parts the Bible (or tradition) didn't mention.
>the church has conducted an internal study of the canon and found it’s additions to the canon do not contradict the canon and are in fact better than the original canon because the original canon forbade the church from altering canon
wow
This is a /misc/ series meant to entertain. The Church has no position on the fictional parts added to it.
The apostles were sinners before becoming saints.
The apostles continued to be sinners until they stopped drawing breath, as do we all. But it's still a sin to bear false witness by accusing somebody of a specific sin on no grounds whatsoever.
Yeah but just choosing a random sin is sketchy, what if instead of something terrible like gambling he was just in love with a cute trap?
Slandering one of the apostles by accusing them of sin seems like it's pushing it
>They didn't do anything that goes against the Bible
jesus wasnt brown
It fills in a lot of details between what's recorded in the gospels. IMO it's plausible that's how it actually happened and that's what makes the show compelling but I wouldn't claim it to be an authority on historical accuracy
Naw, you're getting indoctrinated
Its a show, but not gospel
simple as that
The Bible is the single most important piece of literature on the planet, in terms of influence, number of translations, copies produced etc
Not anymore, christfag. Your religion is dead lmao that's why you have to come here to shill your shit. You realize any converts you get here are only delaying the inevitable, right?
the religion =/= the book
I'm just talking about the book, the piece of literature itself here
nothing has yet been created that tops the amount sheer influence the Bible has-- even if everyone stopped attending church tomorrow, by momentum alone I don't think anything new would arise that would have the same impact on world literature, and language itself, that the bible has had for quite some time.
>even if everyone stopped attending church tomorrow, by momentum alone I don't think anything new would arise that would have the same impact on world literature, and language itself, that the bible has had for quite some time
I was going to object by pointing out that the Quran is a top contender but given that Islam's origins include weird Christian sects that still counts as a win for the Bible's overall influence
I think he's baiting. Nobody can be that obtuse, right?
The Quran is growing in popularity and is a powerful contender, but even if we could discount it from Bible influence by accounting it as 100% direct revelation to Mohammed from God (No prior knowledge of the Bible), it still hasn't had as much influence, in terms of literature which it has inspired, religious movements its created nor has it been translated into as many languages
Most literary analysis of the Quran tends to agree that it was composed by about one author, because of the consistency of its style, and we know from historical record alone that it was written down from oral tradition a mere 20 years after the death of Muhammad-- the BIble, on the other hand, is a big anthology with multiple genres, including poetry, song, prose, wisdom sayings, campfire stories etc. with hundreds of possible authors, written over at least a thousand year period (without counting translations, which would then make it thousands of years) so there is a lot for people to analysis, read, and be inspired from. The first European printing presses were invented just to shit out more copies of this thing.
There are some dead languages that we only know about and can discern because we have translations of the Bible in it
From a purely secular perspective, it is the single most influential book in the world, so much so that we literally just call it "the book" but in Greek
leave the thread before someone posts spoilers
>made by the same studio that financed Sound of Freedom
>they now have a near unlimited budget for season 4
Chosenchads, we're eating GOOD next year
For me, it’s Simon Peter
>religion
lol
lmao
I'm not a Christian, but I'd unironically take a fucking Christian theocracy over the Gay Race Communism Theocracy we have now.
Same. And I look forward to doing battle in the new techno heresy wars for the glory and triumph of the one true christian orthodoxy for which there will be many high kinos made
>Christian theocracy over the Gay Race Communism Theocracy
its the same thing both worships garden gnomes and morons and im not referring to Jesus im talking about garden gnomes
Those are really only Evangelicals
Everybody knows what you mean, but the precise word is dispensationalists. Scofield was a conman who didn't even believe what he said, yet anti-traditional low-church Great Awakening revivalists have been falling for it ever since. Seems to be on the decline though, praise God.
Jesus is just gnomish capeshit
It seems really shitty of God to demand you have faith under threat of hell if you don't, while making the only thing you have to have any faith in is a poorly group-written 2,000 year old book.
>2,000 year old
Its much older than that. The gospels sure, but the gospels are replete with reference to the old testament, and vice versa, with the old testament referencing what will happen in the new. Exodus obviously is older than that, but Genesis.. Genesis is ooold
>Its much older than that.
>yeah like I totally spoke to this random dude and he said some stuff
That's what the old testament is, handed down oral traditions that weren't written until thousands of years after the fact. And nothing about Jesus was written until decades after his death, the majority of it not even written in the same century he lived in. How can you expect anything but the barest outline of murky historical accuracy from that. Lol we have computers now and facts still get butchered about shit that literally just happened.
the bible isnt true its truer than true. whats true? the sky is blue. whats truer than true? the blue sky brings peace and solemnity.
sit there and think about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. conceptually its the most complicated symbol i think that can exist and its page like three of the bible?
>whats true?
That god wasted 3 of 10 commandments making sure you got the importance of properly cupping his heavenly balls while working the shaft. Should have used one of those for "Thou shalt not cut off thine own dick and pretend you're a woman now", or perhaps "thou shalt not fucking rape babies". But nope, it was important we all know how important worshipping the LORD thy God properly was.
Much of the exodus saga is to do with laws. Its like they replaced the geneology framework of genesis and replaced it with laws. It helps to serve the narrative function of like 'every word of this book is important'. i think. When the bible doesnt have anything important to tell you it just starts telling you who was born and who died. Which is telling you i think that its like baseline level of importance to get into that book, dying or being born, which the most important thing ever. In Exodus the dying and begatting word filler stuff becomes legalese instead.
The point is that your understanding of this work is infantile. Get over the image of the big sky daddy. Its not that bad of a thought really. You make a deal with a kindly old father figure that you'll do certain things and follow certain rules and in the future you'll get a reward.
>your understanding of this work is infantile.
Oh no, I totally get the whole "blueprint for civilization that makes people police themselves in lawless ages out of fear of God's wrath" bit. That part I don't dispute. It's not even that bad of a book. It's just historical folklore, basically historical fiction before the word fiction even existed.
You want to believe in it, have faith in it, I don't care, I don't really try to take anyone's faith from them anymore, not my place. World sucks enough as it is. But if you want to have a /misc/ discussion on it out of boredom, I'll play.
>that makes people police themselves
I dont think you understand. Read Genesis 12. Go unto a land I will shew thee and I will make thee great and I will bless thee and whoever blesses thee will be blessed and bless this and bless that and its all blessed and bla bla"
Its just a call to go somewhere. And like, you need it. People needed it. They needed to be told to leave their parents home so then, at that time, and this is oooold shit we're talking about here, the big hero of the big epic story is just the guy who move out of his parents house.
And here we are in 2023 and everybody thinks they know better and the bible is a fairy tale and everybody still lives with their parents
>I dont think you understand that humanity falls apart without sky daddy to make them police themselves
That part I can't really argue with, but we're inherently a pretty fucking stupid species.
One of your problems is that you see the bible as just a book. Buts its not just a book. Its the source book. "Uhhh wtf does that mean anon". Well think of it within only the context of the bible. When Moses was walking around, he didn't have the bible, all he had was Genesis. And actually, just like the bible isnt really a book its a library, Genesis is a library with its different book. Book of Noah Book of Abraham etc. etc. So then that source material becomes Exodus, and eventually the pentitude. And then you get to the time of Jesus and Exodus is rolled into Genesis and thats your bible. And so you can think of it really as the book all the other books came from
And how does that make it non-historical-fiction.
>When Moses was walking around, he didn't have the bible, all he had was Genesis.
or you know they just wrote half of it from scratch or by copying babylonian myths like all other people with foundation myths and there was no moses or exodus just bunch of garden gnomes murdering palestinians 3000 years ago for clay saying god willed it
The vaccine and the nose test swab was the mark of the beast. No salvation.
Those who had sex with vaxxed women = Marked
Those who dont keep the TORAH/LAW found in the OLD TESTAMENT = Workers of sin, 1 john 3:4 says sin is transgression of the LAW.
Yes christians must keep the LAW nomatter what you thought Paul said
There were people and they had a bible though, is the point. What Im trying to say is that a bible isn't something you can escape. You have one whether you like it or not. Whats in it?
Heckin' updooted good sir, always nice to hear from a fellow midwit fart-huffing gay
I love humorless, lack of anything to actually say posts like this that are just venting seethe.
You need to atone for being a gay first.
>religion is just le opium
bet you have a gay little statue of buddha on your book shelf full of funko pops dont you
the funny thing is Karl Marx didn't even entirely mean that in a negative context-- he meant it as painkiller
And so you have that symbol and thats just one and its like how the fuck did they come up with that shit in the stoneage conceptually its like a ferrari its so advanced and complex its like a guy in the stoneage having a power tool so figure that out but instead going 'lol fairy tales lol snek with legs'
>it's soooo deep bro trust me
You are extremely unintelligent, like most religious tards.
I don't think so. Conceptually it was so difficult for me yet it must be one of the oldest concepts in the bible I mean its in the Garden of Eden. Consciousness gives you the ability to conceive of the best possible things and the worst possible things. And the tree is like the spectrum in between those. It seems to me to be a little advanced for proto-humanids to come up with this shit basically.
Oh yeah don't forget, a tree, an actual tree, isn't just the part you see its also the roots which is basically just a mirror reflection of the tree above but below
>Consciousness gives you the ability to conceive of the best possible things and the worst possible things. And the tree is like the spectrum in between those. It seems to me to be a little advanced for proto-humanids to come up with this shit basically.
What you and countless others have read into it over thousands of years later =/= "author intent"
Fucking subtext fags, I swear.
Knowing what the sub-text is isn't necessary though. I've avoided talking about sub-text even though I desperately want to. Just to explain Cain and Abel matter of fact. But that doesn't have the same impact as the way it's programmed into you by reading the bible.
But to laugh at the sub-text in the bible.. like really? Do you know how dense the Bible is? The whole of the three hour movie The Ten Commandments is like two pages long in the bible yeah its replete with sub-text total bummer I know.
How do they depict….you know…….?
Genuinely interested as to what you mean by this. I'll answer as I've watched the whole show
He’s being a queer about the virgin birth is my guess
I don't want to install some random fucking app. Why can't I watch it on Youtube? If it has no ads, what's the problem? And yes, I did click on the first link, clicked on the full episode link, and it said private video.
https://watch.thechosen.tv/
>Christian conservatives
ah yes, thanks for clarifying. wouldn't want to confuse them with the super common christian liberals and atheist conservatives
We call those Protestants.
There are tons of Christian liberals. Unitarian Universalists, a large portion of Methodists, many lay Catholics, etc. And that's just politically. If we're talking theologically "liberal" just means taking a less traditional or literal interpretation of the Bible
Can I get a QRD on this? I’m not necessarily a chirstfag, but I grew up going to church and studying the Bible. Religious stuff aside, is it actually a good show?
It’s not bad, you might be a bit lost if you don’t remember the basics.
all abrahamists are sick in the head. the "god" of the gnomish bible is the devil
“gnomish bible” is called the Torah dumbfuck
>christians don’t do that stuff
I thought it was hugely important that non-christians became christians, and God supposedly knew everything that would ever happen from the beginning til the end before he made anything, so he should have stuck some shit in there with relevance to the modern world.
Until these prots and caths start portraying Jesus as a WHITE man, because he was an ISRAELITE, NOT ONE OF THE EDOMITE RACEMIXED garden gnomeS, AND HE HAD THE SAME GENETIC ANCESTRY AS MODERN EUROPEANS, then I'll pass.
>revelations
Q tier "read into it whatever you want" "prophecy" written by some literal who calling himself "John".
>Leviticus
Just "how to survive wandering in the desert in ancient times for garden gnomes". Leviticus has a whole bunch of specific, autistic rules in it nobody pays attention to or follows but everyone goes back to it again and again for proof of God hating gays (while making millions of them for some odd ass reason).
>s-satan made gays
And who made Lucifer, knowing what all he would do before making him?
God didn't make gays. He didn't make adulterers, or thieves, or gamblers, or liars. He made people, and Satan corrupted us to want to commit those acts. Different people are tempted in different ways, but all of us have the power to resist when we allow God to help us.
>And who made Lucifer, knowing what all he would do before making him?
I like that you went out of your way to completely ignore the last part of that post, while just parroting the same old same old.
>who built the house, knowing that it would need repairs
So just not make Lucifer? Doesn't seem like it would be difficult to just not make your greatest enemy responsible for all of the evil shit while still making everything else.
Good idea, you can suggest that to Him when you see Him.
I sure will. I'm going to hell anyway for lack of faith so I'll be sure to say the same shit that got me there to his face.
He didn't want me to do that he shouldn't have made me this way. Or at all, I'll take that one too.
You can't just accept any amount of mystery? We will never know what lies beyond the edge of the observable universe, does that bother you too?
>We will never know what lies beyond the edge of the observable universe, does that bother you too?
>Totally make sure to ask God these questions when you run into him which you absolutely will
No amount of knowledge is ever enough once you make knowledge your ultimate goal. Knowledge is only as good as the actions it informs, and actions are only as good as the outcomes they effect. Hoarding knowledge for its own sake is folly. Take what knowledge you are given, and act. You have sufficient knowledge to act. Now act.
There cannot be good without evil, if you just made everything sunshine rainbows and lollipops it would end up meaningless. In fact you couldn't even have sunshine because there would be no darkness, you wouldn't have rainbows because there would be no difference in color. The ultimate conceit of man is thinking we can comprehend the reason for our existence.
>There cannot be good without evil, if you just made everything sunshine rainbows and lollipops it would end up meaningless.
that's bs
you limit your deity with logic while it literally created those rules. Omnigod could make world both 100% pure refined good and meaningful.
Then again you people believe jesus had to die because of some semitic pagan rule about sacrifices absorbing sins of the tribe. Can't go around it he was just God bros!
He could have, but He didn't. Why not? He didn't say. Tough.
>Once upon a time they all lived happily ever after
You're movie sucks. Nobody wants to see it.
This fits my theory that God is just like your average kid playing Sims and torturing them because not doing that is boring.
Think of it like this. My mom liked to pray for rain. Even if it rains a lot she still prays for it. For all she knows, she could pray for rain, god would grant it, and it would cause a huge flood and loss and suffering for people somewhere downstream while my mom was happily working away in her garden.
If you ask for nothing but peace and solemnity and god grants it how do you know you want cause something horrible to happen in this world or some world or dimension you comprehend
You can keep going back to well god would make everything perfect like you just dont know. You dont know what that innocent baby who if it isnt baptized jesus says will go to hell, was before it was a baby. Maybe its consciousness was being a huge asshole somewhere you dont know
They had much better theory 2000 years ago, Gnosticism. God is demon that created imperfect world and filled it with NPCs and limited amount of real souls he kidnapped from higher plane and traps in his creation for fun. btw how to learn if you are npc of a real player with a soul? Players believe this story, npcs are programmed to shrug it away
Apparently christians were super ass blasted about it.
>Q tier
oh man, I thought for a second this post was talking about the hypothetical Q gospel and then I had to reign my mind in and reminder Qanon
>eating
yeah but thats the fruit, Im talking about the tree. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Incredibly complex. Good luck figuring that out.
What does that even matter to that specific post, and how would I know that?
They're just cathlarpers. Of course they don't watch it.
And the sarcasm of the baby mutilation post I got, the other post's sarcasm is imperceptible.
gay, you want to be recognized post to post get a fucking tripcode. Going "bruh how can't you see you're talking to the same guy" isn't a fucking retort to the post itself.
Looks decent enough, might be one of the first movies/shows I see here that I will actually watch.
I honestly doubt it does, but even if it did, that's hardly something other books haven't done despite apparently presenting no moral or intellectual problem in doing so to people like you.
I mentioned this show to a Christian I know and they sperged out and started going on about "I don't watch LIES". I didn't press for details because I didn't want to sit through a lecture, but I am curious... is there something controversial about this show in Christian circles? It seems pretty anodyne aside from maybe embellishing some of the disciples' personal lives.
And what does you being 2/4 of those posts have to do with having no response to 1/4 of those posts except "bruh wtf I'm 2/4 of those posts"?
Well the fruit is what gives Adam and Eve consciousness, but as a symbol its for sure temptation. Nourrishment, pleasure, instant gratification, which as a theme threaded throughout all of genesis is the idea that saving food for the future is good.
But like a tree alone as a thought and as a rudimentary symbol. Take a fractal representation of a tree. That image will help you decipher the symbol
Have another (You), at this point you're just trying to troll. You could have just brushed it off as "preaching to the choir" but nope.
>STILL going on and on about "not being recognized"
(You)
^^^That should feel empty.
I swear I don't get these fags that spend all this time trying run around you in circles chanting "dusty old bones" and then act like the won when you say "what?"
Nah, I only responded to the second, stop confusing me with other posters. The one about the baby mutilation I didn't bother with.
>no indication of sarcasm in that post whatsoever
>has to lean on "bro I made that OTHER clearly sarcastic post so how couldn't you see the second one was sarcasm?"
Master fucking trolling right here. Giving me a good laugh now.
Have another (You) for being better than your average lowest tier (You) baiter.
I know. You can do the same thing with Genesis. To me everything after the flood seems to be like Genesis new testament. Yeah I know these stories are old. How old are the gospel stories? Im really not sure.
Jesus media is either kino of the highest order or Sound of Freedom-tier boomer slop.
This
Easiest way to tell early is if it was made by an American or a European-- the latter naturally make kino (a german word, after all) and the former are baby boomers
Now you're just going into average lowest tier (You) bait territory.
>inb4 "not the same guy now"
Irrelevant.
I’ve watched a lot of Jesus movies but I can’t bring myself to pull the trigger on this because that guy looks too goofy/“cuddly”
He’s smiling in every image
No gravitas
Based taste in vidya mods
Fellow colonelnutty enjoyer?
Turn to Jesus before it's too late. Come out of babylon. This world is fallen. Don't risk your soul when God offers salvation.
>you're whining
>you've wasted your time I haven't wasted mine
Imagine being such a fucking chronic contrarian that you start larping as some christian conservative, jesus fucking christ this board lmao
Imagine replying to a thread about a Christian show and complaining about Christians
And I'm enjoying how hard you're trying to milk the one "gotcha" that actually worked for a couple posts.
>why’s it so important to you to “win” this reply chain?
I don't know, why do you keep replying? I'm bored so nothing else better to do atm. When that changes I'll let you know.
>And I'm enjoying how hard you're trying to milk the one "gotcha" that actually worked for a couple posts.
Now you're just going in circles.
Why does Jesus look so gnomish?
Well everyone freaks out because an innocent baby goes to hell if it dies and isnt baptized.
.STOP REPLYING I DON'T WIN UNTIL I HAVE THE LAST POST IN THE CHAIN
There (You) go buddy, greentext fail, you win.
Maybe thats what it takes to defeat the demiurge. You dont know. You are like a child whose angry that their father has to leave and go to work, but doesnt know wtf it takes to put food on the table.
I’m not angry at things that don’t exist
>banned and all posts deleted because of
lmao
LOOKS LIKE TYPICAL HERETICAL, AT BEST, ANTICHRISTIAN, AT WORST, DRIVEL; «JESUS» SANS CHRIST; A DISHEVELED WANNABE RABBI, ALL SMILES, PEACE, AND LOVE; A DESERT MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER; LOOKS NOTHING LIKE JESUSCHRSIT, ALSO.
>gibberish name
>spacing
>all cops
>tripcode
>mckenna waifuist
The intentional cancer of this post gave my cancer cancer.
>I have *no* problem with it being a story
I'd like to see a show where they show the sieges and battles in ancient Israel.
Not just David v Goliath but the whole siege on whatever city where the walls fell (sorry, I'm very rusty).
>the whole siege on whatever city where the walls fell
Let me consult the list
Shaka, when the walls fell
See, it's obvious you're an idiot, because you can discard 50% of the Bible as not being taken literally, but you get mad when atheists say 100% shouldn't be taken literally.
You are an idiot who didn't understand his point.
>soijakers have a point, ever
>you can dismiss these illogical, unrealistic parts, but these other illogical unrealistic parts (virgin birth and resurrection) are literal truth
Anon...
The Bible is a collection of different books. It contains poetry, a book of laws, stories meant as parables, stories meant to be taken literally, prophecies, etc. All of them is considered valuable and not to be discarded.
Maybe you should take a better source of knowledge of the Bible than shallow New Atheists.
>All of them is considered valuable and not to be discarded.
Except for the stuff the church discarded right
Some Protestant churches did discard some books of the Bible, but the Catholic Church kept the same books ever since the Canon was established.
Anon, books of parables and those who were written figuratively were thought to be so for a long time.
Old Testament stories are even meant to be taken as an allegory for Christ.
>Old Testament stories are even meant to be taken as an allegory for Christ.
>yet he's still the literal son of the god named in them
I don't think you understood what I meant.
One of the first things Jesus did when he resurrected was to teach that the Old Testament should be read in this way.
>the Catholic Church kept the same books ever since the Canon was established.
Yeah that explains why they had a sudden purge fest when Martin Luther’s version started rolling off the press
They didn't? The Canon was established a very long time before Luther.
Before Luther, the canon was whatever the church said it was.
Luther still just used the Church canon though
If that were true, they wouldn’t have wanted him dead. As after Luther the church lost the ability to say what is/isn’t canon
the Church had created a canon to hedge against Marcionism a thousand years before Luther; Luther's want for the lessening and removal of Church powers were enough motivation for them to want him dead
>and how did Luther accomplish lessening/removing church powers? By… making their scripture… available to the public…
If Luther’s Bible and the clergy’s Bible were identical, this wouldn’t be a power move.
Luther, to his credit, never selected to include any writings that weren't already canonized by the Church
Again, according to the church. And this discussion is about what Luther didn’t include
Luther cherrypicked out books that didn't suit his political ambitions; I'm simply glad that he did not decide to add any books of his own into the mix, or Lutheranism might have turned out to be a more nefarious heresy, like Mormonism
>yes canon changed after Luther
I know
It didn't.
>yes Luther decanonized some stuff but that didn’t change canon
fookin ‘ell m8, I know you types are trained to ignore contradictions but this is ridiculous.
Sounds like an excommunicated Mormon with a chip. Shocked how many of you hang around the chans waiting for a religious conversation to interject your grudge into.
yeah, it's the second time this thread he dogged mormons without any prompting. sus
No but I live the west, around far too many groups of non-trinitarian like JWs and Mormons
Nope, wasn't me-- you might be surprised how many people hate your kind.
>Nope, wasn't me
SURE it wasn't Elder Anon. Let me guess, couldn't give up the chud porn and got kicked out? LMAO
Nope you fucking moroncattle, it was the magic underwear that got to me
Ah, you are one! I have a question then! is the magical underwear supposed to be like blessed garments like in the bible, or is there actually some sort of mysticism in there? I get conflicting answers.
from my understanding, they're supposed to be like wards against evil and harm. i don't know how that differs from biblical blessed clothing, but i assume there's probably more to it
they protect against diseases and bullets
the mechanism of their magical protection is a mystery, (which was not revealed to me) so I guess its literal mysticism
Functionally, it's the same. Catholics used to have to defend their cassocks and habits against similar barbs, but holy vestments are rooted in scripture. I think the Mormons get it a bit more for two reasons. 1. All their men get ordained and so everyone in their religion wears it. 2. Bill Maher put them on blast publicly some years ago with the term "magic underwear" and it just became part of the public zeitgeist.
I don't know, any time we get a good conversation about the Reformation going, one dedicated poster always derails it with "forget the Lutherans, let me tell you about those fucking Mormons!" I'd really be surprised if it wasn't just you doing it. This board needs poster IDs.
Genuinely, it wasn't me
it's possible that two people had come to the same conclusion
>I’ve been found out
You’re the only one who noticed his jab at Mormons bruh. He’s right about Mormons fucking HATING Luther though
If the Pope decided to add Harry Potter to the canon do you think it would result in more catholics or less?
it would lead to massive sedevacantism (the Pope could not possbily do that, he must be an Antipope!) and possibly the balkanization of the Church
The Church, and the Papacy, and both material and not material-- kind of like the British Crown, you have the person and the physical institution but you also have the non-corporeal understanding of it
Think how many harry potter converts you would get though
Anon, even if we are playing retarded right now, you still know that JK Rowling had a big falling out with her primary fanbase; Harry Potter just doesn't have the power it used to
The Canon was established literally over a thousand years before Luther
Luther was a heretic that caused a huge schism in Christianity.
>according to the church’s internal investigations the church’s canon was established in 400ad and Martin Luther did not have any effect on this the church just wanted him dead because uh…
>he is shocked and surprised that the Church did things other than just determining Biblical canon while the Papal States were extant
Sola Scriptura was literally CREATED by Luther; that's literally his claim to fame-- why are you so suprised at this?
Or I’m actually talking about the Martin Luther incident is proof the church played fast and loose with canon as was was convenient
Is that so? It's almost like the Church (Both Catholic and Orthodox) rely on tradition, work and practice in addition to the written to spread the gospel. The canon of the bible was entirely established to stamp out Marcionism and NOT Lutheranism, the former of which long predates the latter. Marcion advocated that the God of the NT was different from the God of the OT-- a practically gnostic heresy. Surely you believe in the Trinity, at least?
>source: the church
Wow I know I can trust it
Unbroken tradition from the apostles :3
much better to trust yourself and your own fee fees about the gospel I guess?
Anon this is pathetic. It’s “wifoit da bibble y no murder rape???” There’s a whole universe of crazy between AGP and Puritanism, with a very thin sliver of sanity somewhere between them.
Anon, whats not hard to understand that a layman today would have a hard time understanding and interpreting a book written roughly 2000 years before his birth in an entirely different society in an entirely different language, which was written by a lot of different people with different goals, contexts, and even conflicting understandings of the world they were living in. A body of tradition and practice, bolstered by a lineage of experts and paired with scripture, goes a lot further to relating the gospel and Christ's intention for mankind's religious practice than one man trying to figure things out on his own. That priests *should* exist and have the authority to perform sacraments is itself scriptural, while sola scriptura something born out a set of logic perverted by one man's hatred for his peers
Anon, the Canon of the Church has been set for over a thousand years before Luther.
Hence “400ad”
Shit don’t tell me you don’t even know when Luther lived
There are tons of documents where the Canon is the same. Also, his fight with the Church predates his translation of the Bible. He was already an outlaw when he released his translation.
Are you a retard? Luther didn't set the Catholic Canon. He is considered a heretic.
>There are tons of documents where the Canon is the same
Source: the church
The cool thing about Martin Luther is there’s indecent verification of his existence, acts, and the church’s response. It, of course, gets fuzzy when you start asking why the church was so angry about scripture being accessible and widespread, completely out of the control of the clergy, etc.
>indecent
Heh.
Not because they changed what was written though, simply because they lied about what was written. Purgatory? Indulgences? Perpetual virginity? Veneration (totally not worship, totally not prayer)? USURY???
Yeah, really not good to make stuff up and mislead God's flock like that.
not him, but veneration of Mary is definitely scriptural-- if you are going to make arguments about the text of the bible I beg you to first learn the Greek in which it was written
Chapter and verse? I am ready to accept correction. Got my Greek interlinear by my side.
happens in Luke, off the top of my head I think its like 1.28
The words for veneration are different from the word for worship-- its a bit like the difference between the different Greek words for love
>it’s celebrate
Book and chapter please
Nvm ty
the Roman Catholic church took baruch out to keep the people ignorant, it's in the original kjv1611 all modern bibles it has been removed. Baruch is mentioned in Jeremiah. They can remove the Most High's word but His word still stands.
>All of them is considered valuable and not to be discarded.
>these parts about the making of the world and humanity with all their plot holes are just stories/parables, but the later stuff based on the earlier stuff where God: The Next Generation comes into it, those are all literal truth
What's more likely, that you found the one objection that totally destroys religion that nobody in 2000 years thought of even once, or that this is a topic so far out of your field of knowledge that you don't know what you're missing?
All of the apostles sinned. That's kind of the point. Showing it isn't exactly news to anybody that has basic knowledge of Christian teachings
>you found the one objection that totally destroys religion that nobody in 2000 years thought of even once
Bitch I'm not special, I know these arguments and their mental gymnast "counterarguments" about "subtext, man, you just, like, don't get it" have been happening for thousands of fucking years. Strawman harder.
People choosing to stick with what they grew up with isn’t evidence of anything beyond that. Especially when they were literally told “yeh it no maek sense but dats da point also hell”
>hah, you know nothing, for I am a 5th dan myrrh belt in mental gymnastics
/misc/ doesn't talk about good shows
Nobody cares, christgay boomer. Take your shit to Cinemaphile with the rest of the schizos that believe in made up trash or fuck off back to Facebook. You have never been welcome here.
>independence day?
>>>Cinemaphile
I dont really care about the life of a garden gnome
just because hollywood puts out constant trash doesnt make this good
Love me Chosen. Simple as
I worked on this slop. Ask questions if you have them
I have one. Why do you feel compelled to lie on an anonymous mongolian throat singing board?
Why lie? I don't get internet points for it.
Yeah
>people wouldn't just go on the internet and lie for attention, silly
oic. would you say that you're a gay or ultra mega gay?
Do you like turtles?
how can I get a job
This depiction appears a bit too Semitic for my taste. Which I understand is the commonly accepted depiction. However, with a bit of research, it can be found that Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes and was a pure Aryan.
Am I the only one in this thread who's heard of the Council of Rome (382) ???
Yes. Now leave.
shh you'll spoil the fun
Apparently, Luther was a time traveler and this was in response to him.
ayyyyyyy chosen thread on tv
>Christian conservatives (Catholic and Protestant
Based Christian unity.
>NOOOOOOOOO EVERYONE ON MY CHAN IS LE EBIC LE EUPHORIC LE ENLIGHTENED INTELLECTUAL
Why are they like this
Imagine how much of a brainlet you’d have to be to actually be a Christian lmao, just have a nice day already you worthless drone.
sorry man my religion forbids suicide
God wants you to have a nice day.
Says who? Some good goy who doesn't even believe in God? No thanks, my religion (unlike Atheism or paganism, which shitpile you belong to) forbids suicide.
What do you believe?
Belief would be something I’ll never question. So I don’t. Even if God himself comes down and confirms his existence, I still ain’t “believing in” him.
How was the universe created?
Don’t know. Don’t pretend to.
If you don't know then you'll have no problem with me believing it was from a prime mover.
>if you don’t know then you have no problem with me pretending to know and simply moving the birth of the universe a degree away and turtles all the way down
And shit, if you JUST had a harmless creation belief that ultimately affected nothing, we wouldn’t be having this conversation
Oh, are you one of those people saying DeSantis passing law that kids can't attend LGBT parades is genocide?
And I never said I know. Said I *believe*
>UHHH ONLY A LGBTQ+ FLAG WEARER WOULD QUESTION MAH RELIGION
again, pathetic.
Again, strawman. You can question all you want. But you can't misquote me.
I said I believe, not that I know.
Believe, not know..
Believe, not know..
We good on that?
>whines about strawman after strawmanning
again, pathetic. I accept your concession.
When did I strawman you? Substantiate your claim. Show me the post I did it, and why it's a strawman, thank you.
See
Ya know, when you confused me for some gay living in your head.
Just to clarify, this discussion ended at
, as you stopped responding meaningfully.
What about your life is being affected then
Also
>doesn't deny he strawmanned me and resorts to "No u!"
I thought atheists were supposed to be smart :/..
I said humans have limits. That doesn't mean give up and don't try. But believing we're going to conquer every galaxy probably isn't realistic. Do you disagree?
Listen, you have no response to
. I accept your concession.
What created god?
Don't believe God was created.
Not strictly relevant, but I believe humans are inherently flawed and limited and there will always be things beyond our understanding. Idk where atheists land on that
>humans are inherently flawed and limited and there will always be things beyond our understanding
Good slave.
So you believe humans have limitless comprehension and understanding and will have Dyson Spheres in every corner of the universe? Get real.
>believe
See
Your beliefs say not to try.
>Your beliefs say not to try.
Book, chapter and passage from the NT/New Covenant, thank you.
See
You literally say you believe that.
Posting in a dying thread
I love Jesus and my fellow Jesusbros