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he wouldn't sweating if it was a dream.
>he wouldn't sweating if it was a dream.
Why?
Because there wouldn't be a reason for him to be nervous.
Why? If he's there in dream trying to help Quaid out of it, maybe to protect his company from liability, then he has something to lose. Also think he mentions Quaid's is "inventing it yourself as you go along."
Will also say that everything he predicts will soon happen to Quaid if he does reject this reality does then happen to Quaid.
>If the dude is in no danger of dying then why he started sweating bullets as soon as I put the gun in his temple?
That is simply Quaid's process thought which isn't irrational I guess considering. Being paranoid can lead to finding details that just keeps reinforcing your paranoia further.
>i'm not really here, i'm a construct sent in to try to help you out
why would they program in sweat for him? it would be the same if he came in as a neon blue dude, but then the paint smudged.
Because its an old fat man program why wouldn't it sweat?
>why wouldn't it sweat
because they're trying to convince him it isn't real.
He was trying to convince himself that his dream is real and since its his dream he won.
its not his dream though, its an induced dream, being somewhat controlled from the recall room. if they sent in a construct of a person to try to guide him out, why would they make that construct behave realistically?
Forcing his brain to experience induced completely unrealistic nonsense might trigger a schizoid embolism.
after a certain point, the entire movie is unrealistic
It is only mostly unrealistic which is entirely different than all the way or completely unrealistic, an old fat israelite that isn't sweaty would be a step too far.
so not sweating would be more unrealistic than ancient alien artifacts, is your argument here.
In the context of an advanced multiplanet space faring civilization that has inhabited alien environments without ever purging fat israelites from society, yes.
to make it real
hes sweating because in his dream quaid is a secret agent with people trying to trick and kill him. this is just part of his dream where a made up guy is trying to trick the spy quaid into giving up and getting killed but it all happens in an ~actual~ dream
But if it was a dream, he wasn't trying to trick him he was telling the truth and trying to help him, it was only a trick if everything was real and he was lying thus sweaty.
its an adventure in which hes a spy and has evil mooks trying to convince him hes really a normal guy. but separately he really is a normal guy having a paid brain job vacation
If he's real he could still be nervous. He doesn't want a corpse back at recall. How often does he have to convince people they're living a dream?
He's a program failsafe. They wouldn't go out of their way to make him nervous.
He's still implanted there and he's physically at Rekall so he's probably hooked up in a way that allows him to interact with Arnie's mind but his existence and depiction there is still tied to his own brain and psychological state.
But even then he says Arnie's mind is basically fuelling the delusions at that point. If Arnie's mind is unwilling to break from this new reality his unconscious could have created that bead of sweat as a means to stop him from breaking the delusion.
Couldnt Quiad dream up the sweat? He obviously loved the dream he was in, and that would give him his excuse to stay in it.
>he wouldn't sweating if it was a dream.
He's sweating because he doesn't want to lose his medical license and get sued by Sharon Stone for negligently killing a patient. Also losing his whole business because nobody wants to get lobotomized and this would end Rekall.
Plenty of reasons for him to sweat and be nervous.
OH N-
i re-watched it recently and realized it actually really was all part of the dream adventure he paid for. i was only a little kid when i first saw it so i thought it was a typical fake out
Nope it was real, even the director claimed so in an interview. Hell he even drafted a sequel for it, with Quaid being a mars cop
they literally show a pic of the actual actress he meets later when choosing his ideal girl
The opposite of what you said is true.
Verhoeven confirmed that it was all s dream vacation gone wrong and the movie ends with Quiad being lobotomized
No, Verhoeven said it was all a dream past the Recall scene. Everything the doctor said about the things becoming more and more insane and memory loss happens. Also in the end they cut to white instead of black, the director said that was him being lobotomized in the final scene.
Verhoeven also said that RoboCop was a criticism of Ronald Reagan. The dude makes good movies but is otherwise an absolute moron.
Also he said RoboCop was Jesus since he died, came back and walked on water. That kind of metaphor? I'd buy that for a dollar.
thats dumb though. he doesnt "walk on water" and nothing is significant of going on while he walks through that mud puddle. everyone walks on water if thats your standard
That's not me, it's Verhoeven. Who knows what he smokes
>For some Robocop fans, the 1987 action hit is just the story of a half-man, half-robot who is all cop. For others — including Robocop director Paul Verhoeven — its a retelling of the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>The 1997 film drops a big hint about that interpretation in a scene in which Robocop, like Christ, walks on water. But Verhoeven has also spelled it out explicitly, as when he told MTV in 2010 that Robocop was “the American Jesus.”
>“The point of RoboCop, of course, is it is a Christ story. It is about a guy that gets crucified after 50 minutes, then is resurrected in the next 50 minutes and then is like the super-cop of the world, but is also a Jesus figure as he walks over water at the end,” Verhoeven said.
yeah i know im calling verhoeven a spaz. robocop doesnt even have and followers and doesnt really teach any messages. i mean its just a completely pointless comparison. dracula is jesus according to that. casper. etc
the whole point of the movie is that it is ambiguous
>dread vacation gone wrong
except the entire Cohagen plot exists
Just spin a top like inception
It was real. If they're going to sell you memories of a dream vacation then the vacation will be enjoyable. Not the terrible experience that he went through.
>If they're going to sell you memories of a dream vacation then the vacation will be enjoyable. Not the terrible experience that he went through.
That's up to the customer though, isn't it? He could've picked a Saturn cruise, he wanted Mars.
But what if there was an accident with the machine and he had a 'bad trip'?
What part of the movie was excessively terrible for him?
It was real.
>Proof? What's your proof? I read on Reddit that ...
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The it was all a dream narrative falls apart when they show the story unfolding from the perspective of multiple different characters. If it was a dream/false memory it would only be taking place from Arnold's perspective.
It's a movie m8, don't overthink.
>Swallow this red pill as a symbol of your desire of wake up
No way this doesn't mean he is a secret agent and they're trying to bullshit him.
Just watched it after 30 years of thinking Arnold was a Mars secret agent.... the entire film is his Total Rekal mindtrip.
That's the Verhoven conceit. ALL of it.
As a viewer, you believe the starting point of the mystery is his implant at Total Rekal. Wrong. The mystery is part of his vacation.
Him going to TR, him getting sold the package, his friend at the dig site, his wife = all part of the mindtrip he was already in before the starting credits rolled.
The remake did the same thing, but actually threw viewers an easter egg cause obviously you're all too dumb.
you moron think this thread isn't part of your trip? let me lel at you vigorously
the vigour of your lel as left me scared.
>It was real
How moronic are you to believe this? It was a movie. Arnold was acting, he wasn’t actually a secret agent. No humans have ever even been to Mars. Jesus Christ you guys
>Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a real person
meds. now.
Its a stage name, it isn't real.
Whether it’s real or not doesn’t matter. It’s a red herring. It’s Verhoeven. The whole movie is a tongue in cheek satire of action movies. Casting Arnold as the every man who is sick of his lot in life, who also has big muscles and has sex with prime Sharon Stone is ridiculous. It’s escapism within escapism, a true post modern blockbuster. The whole generic plot of the movie gets laid out during the first recall scene, and like Quaid we don’t really care that we know what’s going to happen, because we get to escape into the big screen for 2 hours of our shitty lives.
I guess I never really thought about that. Imagine being Arnold Schwarzenegger and having Sharon Stone as a loving wife and wanting to escape from that to live an even crazier life with an uglier woman
It would surely create problems for there to be a bunch of people with fake memories around.
>he thinks his memories are real
The point is, we live our lives questioning experience and trying to find underlying truths, (low IQ bros can skip this one) but it ultimately doesn't matter because experience is all we have. It's a rebuttal to simulation theory that preempts Neo's extreme discomfort with existence. Quaid lives in a rich and exciting world, there's less pressure to be superman/God and save everyone.
The ambiguity, or rather the strong implication that it's not real is what gives the message its strength. The viewer has to resolve a direct contradiction: what the clues say, versus what he can actually see and hear. Puzzling over it, or inventing a firm answer where none exists, only reinforces the eventual conclusion that "Truth" cannot be perfectly revealed. There are a few sterile data points that could be called truth, but the whole adventure and emotional thrust of the film takes place on an audiovisual level. Use of visual media rather than a book also lends itself to the message, because the ontology of a fictional visual world is reversed from normal. Concepts and outward communication are the fundamental truths of movie reality. In that sense, the clues and hidden meanings are less real than the adventure because like us, Quaid's existence is defined by experience, not empiricism.
It really happened. t. Martian
iqlets just cannot let things stay ambiguous
i also quote plot holes as my main critique for a weak """"story"""""
>le it was all a DREAM!
Wow epic plot twist that totally didn't just invalidate the entire movie, bro
it didnt invalidate it. both the viewer and quaid were told they were going to live out a dream adventure but you get so caught up in it that both you the viewer and quaid start to think that its "real" even though you know its not. thats an interesting experience and exactly the type of thing that pk dick likes to make people feel with his stories
ending with "whooaoaoaa you dont know if its real or not because we wont tell you whoaoaoaoaa" is hacky bullshit that dick pretty much never did but his imitators love to do it because they are hacks
>invalidate
Did I stutter, b***h?
>total recall
>repo men
>brazil
who did it best?