According to Gail Simone, DC thought writers would write better if they worked on anything but characters/teams they really liked
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According to Gail Simone, DC thought writers would write better if they worked on anything but characters/teams they really liked
It...kind of makes sense?
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I think they just needed better editors
I mean I get the reasoning, something like can definitely happen, but that's what you have editors for DC.
And with stuff like the current Young Justice or King's Mister Miracle it looks to me like they're actually putting people in charge of writing characters they despise instead, which basically ends with the same result.
>but that's what you have editors for
I think you're missing the point of that picture. Once a writer gets so big he can do whatever he wants because he can threaten to walk and he can badmouth the entire publisher on the way out too. I shouldn't have to explain this to you but a lot of people that post on Cinemaphile really don't like using their brains.
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It's true that loving something too much can make you blind to certain things you should consider, but a good editor will actually follow production and have those discussions
Sadly I think that level of involvement is too inefficient for the time/cost/volume of comics and even animation that's churned out these days.
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Johns, Slott, Taylor, etc
Hell, it applies to other mediums as well
Steve Danuser for example and as much as I like the guy, Filoni
>Steve Danuser
Literally most of the poeple who care about Warcraft's "story" despise him. He doesn't have the appeal of Bendis, Johns etc. who have at one point written stories people actually liked.
The lack of good editors is a real problem at the big two
it can be a problem
Considering how creator autism can ruin a movie (COUGH PREQUELS COUGH), I get it
>(COUGH PREQUELS COUGH)
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say what you will about the prequels but I was always really impressed by the set design. It still looks amazing.
>wow you said words real good, you should be an employee
>wow you animate real good, you dhould work for disney
>wow this food tastes real good, you should start a restaurant
>boy those sure are some opinions, you should run for office
I fricking hate the west. Your opinion is shit and you velong in the trash
>According to Gail Simone
Stopped reading there.
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Gail is a nutcase but she has been right in the past
Her "tumblr fan" post aged like fine wine
I think I get it- if someone really cares about a character they probably have a ton of passionate ideas about all the big shit they want to do with them which can cause trouble.
Yeah. It can cause really big trouble if you're a power tripping editor who gives zero fricks about quality.
I mean they're concerned less about story quality and more about pumping out decent stories while keeping things in line and keeping profits up.
As long as they've got an editor willing to keep them in line it shouldn't be a problem. I'd much rather have a creator that's passionate about the subject matter than someone who hates it and is trying to "fix" it.
Editors can't tone don't the homosexualry of someone working on their favorite title.
Wolverine went from sad manlet to super hyper Chad precisely because fans were allowed to write for him
>someone who hates it and is trying to "fix" it.
These are often the fanboys.
It's not wrong, fanatical writers can just wank the character at the expense of everyone else (see matt ward and ultramarines or karen traviss and mandalorians)
I mean I kind of enjoy mandowank
It does not matter if the writer love or hate the comic, just respect it, no self aware "humor", not randomly changing the lore or characters, just respect what you are working with and hold your power lvl.
There is nothing worse than writers that spend several panels talking shit about the comic they are working on, pretentious spoiled hacks.
I think that if you respect the character you’re a better writer for it then if you’re just a fan boy about it like how Simone just really fan girl about shit, She doesn’t really treat the characters respectfully she just kind of makes them do stuff she wants and that you as a fan not what she thinks would be good for the character. You know it’s like how to lay Alan Grant really respect at all the characters he wrote even ones he probably didn’t care for but he treated everything with respect and you did it always do what the fan boy would want with the characters is Batman was weak at times got the shit beat out of them all the time acting like a human showed emotions and that’s why he’s run so good for more writers need to be like, I mean the man even wrote Azbats with respect A character nobody liked.
Honestly I kinda understand that. Reminds me of how Garth Ennis felt he wrote some god awful Judge Dredd because he was too much of a Dredd fanboy.
Fans are more likely to just rehash or "preach to the choir" over making something interesting.
I wonder how many books were done under that direction. I wonder how many people bluffed and said they totally hated ____ to get that book.
It's funny considering she's talking about the same company that gave Green Lantern to Johns especifically so he could write about his husbando.
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Wow, that's a truly baffling mindset
i think people don't listen enough to Simone, she's like the crazy heremit on the mountain, unhinged, but prophetic
seems more like a rule of thumb but it makes sense
Makes sense, they probably had a moronic head canon they wanted to put into the series and frick it up further. Like how Wolverine became a Mary sue when Wolverine gays started writing for xmen
every comic would become pic related.
Alan Moore convinced me the best stories are told when you work on something you hate
That explains Mark Russell's Flintstones
That doesn't explain Halo 4 and 5
Halo 4&5 never should have been made in the first place, the story was finished with 3
they loved the money halo made
How? That's the reason LXG: Century was so maligned.
>Mark Russell's Flintstones
Garbage
>the jpegging on the text for how many times this shit has been saved and reuploaded
>still being misinformation even when the creators talked about it
Well it completely makes sense, do you really want this type of situation again?
Halo has a story?
a brave story of teabagging
Alien scientologists fight humanity because they think a suicide last resort machine is their way of divine ascension but was really made to deal with a space zombies
I get their logic, but the alternative is having writers who dislike/don't care for the character.
They probably saw a few writers get way too damn weird about their babies like Starlin writing Thanos and Warlock as just undefeatable godmode kings of the universe, or Geoff Johns writing Hal as slapping around New Gods and Kryptonians effortlessly way too often.
Writers tend to regress back to 5 year olds playing with their toys when they get on their dream book.
I write fanfiction (I know, I know, shame on me) and I have found out that usually the characters I hate or I am apathetic to read about are the most entertaining ones to write, while with the ones I love the most, often I don't find things to say about them.
To be exact I don't bash, I rather try to salvage those other characters and write them into something I like.
Most of those projects turned out crap though, fanboys make for the worst writers. It's the second worst idea right behind "let's recycle the same team that worked on this character 10-2o years ago."
>Bane fan girl
>Makes him a big teddy bear and soft to kids also comedic
Yeah DC is right.
DC ain't wrong. Just look at what Rucka did with Wonder Woman. One of the most boring and slate book I read.
What makes you think he wanted to write that book and not just DC trying to win back fans at the time?
Why do you think he left in the first place, homosexual? He was pissy DC didn't give him Wonder Woman Earth One. And when he returned he said he'd only come back for two characters, Rene and Diana. God, I fricking hate you newbie pieces of shit that don't know shit, at least lurk instead of proudly posting about your ignorance.
1 of the biggest Wonder Woman wankers not wanting to write his wank off material? Outrageous. Next you would tell me that Starlin doesn't really want to write Thanos.
That's why Bendis has been in all the books.
I mean it does make a certain kind of sense, keep the lunatics from running the asylum. Hell I read the later half of 5 Years Later Legion.
This doesn’t explain Geoff Johns career though
>writer works on a title they love
>They jerk off the characters they like to ridiculous heights
>Add their OC to romance their waifu
>Write the shittiest plot about them overcoming super impossible odds without lifting a finger
And that's why Bendis was great on Supeman. Never once did he pull a bullshit out of his ass that benefited Superman.
Spencer's Kindred saga is one of the worst-case examples of what happens when you let a fanboy do what he wants.
Gail is an idiot and her comics are bad
Reminds me of that Thunderbolts run with Punisher. The writers wanked the frick out of him and made it unbearable.
As always, the middle ground is the correct answer.
Isn't that kinda the way Jack Kirby approached the Jimmy Olsen comics when he moved on to DC. The editors said he could pick just about anything he wanted, and he because he didn't want to take anyone's prized pony, he chose the title that was selling the lowest to see if lightning would strike.
We ended up getting the Fourth World New Gods because Jack Kirby chose to work on a character that nobody really liked.
Some people, on a creative level, probably should step out of their comfort zone. It could lead to success, or a legacy.
DC was right in a time where editors do nothing and creators actively flame up their own fanbases on social media
Paul Dini manage to write his waifu and so far it's great. But yeah he doesn't has the chance to finish his 2010 Zatanna run
Dini's Zatanna is pretty mediocre. Not bad, but noting to write home about.
Writers would write better if they worked on characters they have created themselves. Screw franchises with company-owned characters and massive continuity cancer.
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Gail....mmmmmGail. She's a good bit of chewy nougat wrapped in a ginger crust. Would love to thwip her batarangs if y'know what I mean.
There is a thing called “professionalism” where you’re supposed to put out the best work you can no matter what the character is
I get it. There's too much personal involvement and the whole enterprise can become creatively incestuous in an instant.
Personally, I'd be mortified to have to write for one of my passion properties as I want to be told those, not self-aggrandize by turning it all in the direction I want to blow farts in, or believe they should have been blown in all along.
Obviously one shouldn't despise what they're working on to the point of resentment but it should also be a job like any other and regarded to as such, where you're not going to love every bit of what you have to do but you can excel and gain a valid sense of accomplishment from it. Because if everyone was writing the characters they loved, when it came time for crossovers, nothing could get done because no one would want their babies to job to some other characters being written by someone equally moronic as they.