If Miles wasn't supposed to be bit by the spider then why didn't his world start glitching like Pavitr?
Did Miguel and that pregnant lady's action accidentally screw Gwen over by (indirectly) making her dad resign? Or was that inevitable because she took off her mask?
Will Miles lose everything like Miguel if he conrinues on his path? Or will they make part 2 some weird cop out where Miles gets his cake and eats it too?
>conrinues
continues
i hope miles dies in the third movie
This tbh. It will impact so many viewers
They'll sooner kill off every other Spider-Man so Miles can be the only one like he said at the start of ATSV
>ITSV everyone can be Spider-Man
>ATSV actually only people bitten by a spider who go through these very specific life events can be Spider-Man
>BTSV actually only Miles is Spider-Man
They wouldn't dare since he is LE IMPORTANT REPRESENTATION. If anyone dies it's Peter B to redeem the Spider-Man name for all other Peter Parkers
>i hope miles dies in the third movie
He dies, but returning live-action form in the MCU for Secret Wars
Jeez, why are people having a hard time with this? The glitching happens when canon events unique to Spider people are prevented.
Earth 42 was supposed to have a Spider-Man but doesn't because of Alchemax. What even counts as an event "unique to Spider-Man"?
It could be that because that Earth doesn't have a Spider-Man, it has no canon events that would wipe out the Earth if undone.
So the actual solution to permanently protecting the multiverse from this glitchy shit is to eliminate all spiders?
Morlun was right
Wow this makes all the Spider-Men even more of psychopathic assholes, they believe in not saving people for the greater good, but they won't kill themselves and save every multiverse at once
The world isn't included in the "Web of Destiny" since no Spiderman exist there to tie them. Thinking about it, Miguel mayo have doomed the world he went to live on by forcing It into the Web of Destiny by his prescence.
If that world isn't included in the Web of Destiny then the Go Home Device wouldn't be able to connect Miles to it.
>she
What even is Spider-Woman's personality? She's a bitch to Peter B and Miles. Miles is black too so she should be a little nicer. She also goes "Gwen, I can't help you. W-we wuz kangz n' shit." when Gwen gets sent home. I just don't get it.
she's a tranny so she's more opressed than a israelite and a black teen with a lot of swag
>she's a tranny
Rent free. She's literally pregnant in the movie.
trans people can get pregnant too, bigot!
No they can't dumb fuck
I think he was talking about Gwen
>What even is Spider-Woman's personality?
she's probably gonna play a much larger role in the sequel, but for now I guess she's just the "bad cop" to Peter B. Parker's good cop.
still no idea why they (israelites) made her black with some many blacks already being spider-people
>Miles is black too so she should be a little nicer
She's a black woman,anon.
She'll be nicer to a white dude than to a black one.
Calling it now,her husband white.
She's spider-bitch but they couldn't call her that cuz it's a kids movie.
For your first question bad writing, or Mikes is the chosen one.
Second question bad writing or dimensional spider bull shit or alternatively Miguel going out of his way to screw over spiders to rule them.
Cop out for sure, if they had miles get the solider on ending that would just be no way home all over again.
Far as the world glitching goes, apparently so long as there's a Spider-Man for canon events to happen to, things are fine.
If Miles hadn't been bitten and Peter never died, the world would be fine since there was still a Spider-Man.
If Miles had been bitten but didn't replace Peter, then his world would have collapsed since there wasn't a Spider-Man.
Though this heavily suggests Miguel actually destroyed two worlds if the dimension he left didn't have a replacement for him.
>Far as the world glitching goes, apparently so long as there's a Spider-Man for canon events to happen to, things are fine.
Tell that to both the universe that Miguel lived in place of his dead doppelganger AND Universe-42 where Miles' spider came from. (They hammer the point that there is no Spider-Man in that universe.
Miguel being there prevented that universe from correcting after its Spider-Man died, Maybe that was the intended fate of his kid so that universe would have had a Spider-Girl a few years later but his interference prevented that.
Far as 42, well, the canon events still happened but to Prowler instead. Presumably the spider got the right kid but in the wrong universe
Yes, and If we're to believe that the Miguel he replaced never got bit, then that universe would have the same situation as Earth-42 (no Spider-Man) and that should mean no canon events to put it under threat of destruction if they are broken
I don't agree with that because the Web of Life and Destiny's influence has to be able to differentiate, because Miguel changed the canon events of a universe his spider (928) didn't come from (let's call it 928-a), yet still destroyed that universe (928-a).
But what if Miles wasn't bitten and Peter died anyway? If any Spider-Man dies prematurely before their canon events are fulfilled, bye bye multiverse? Or do they know they have plot armor and can't die before then because determinism lmao
>If Miles wasn't supposed to be bit by the spider then why didn't his world start glitching like Pavitr?
I think becoming a spider person is what ropes you into that bullshit. That's why it applies to Miles even though his world already had a Spider-Man and it wasn't meant to be him. What I don't remember seeing is the spider glitching from being out of its own world, but that's a new plot point invented for this story so whatever.
Weren’t all the alternate spidermen glitching in the first movie?
>What I don't remember seeing is the spider glitching from being out of its own world
I think it was glitching in the original. I might be misremembering it though
I actually do kind of recall No. 42 glitching out though. Now I have to go and check it.
The spider glitches out when Miles goes back to investigate and before Peter dies.
Why does the very fabric of reality depend on the existence of a Spiderman in every universe and that some police chief he knows has to die? It feels like they just made all this multiverse shit up on the fly.
Because they did. Needed a plot for the sequel. It wouldn't have so many plot holes if they did a good read-through to make sure it all makes sense under scrutiny.
Any plot that's about Miles vs every other Spider-Man and Miles is in the right was always going to be retarded and contrived, there's literally no way to write this well because it's a shit bad faith motivation for a movie
because Miguel is wrong
no since that was just going to happen regardless of their involvement
if Miles' spider powers still register as belonging from another earth then what he saw was earth 42 Jefferson Davis dying and not his actual father. Miguel says canon events are predetermined but Captain Stacy's death that might only apply to Peter variants and not Miles or Gwen given that her father is still alive.
> what he saw was earth 42 Jefferson Davis dying and not his actual father.
What? Earth-1610 Jeff is set to die from collateral damage from Spot at his full power. Earth-42 Jeff died already, long before Spot got to his full power.
Miles’s mom is hot
>why does the spider-council tell Miles about his dad's death when the whole plan up until that point was to keep him in the dark (Peter and Gwen don't visit for that reason)
>why does the spider-council go along with Miguel's canon events story when his example is him replacing another dead Miguel's life which has nothing to do with preventing canon events
>why does the spider-council think Spot's decay holes are the incursions Miguel showed
>why does Miguel think a captain dying is a canon event that has to happen or the multiverse collapses but a spider coming in from another dimension, preventing that Spider-Man from happening, and causing Peter A to die prematurely so Miles can take his place aren't canon event disruptions that would collapse both regular Miles and 42-Miles' dimensions
>why does Miguel think Miles has to go through the canon events if he's an anomaly that was never supposed to be Spider-Man
>why does Gwen's dad quitting the force avert his fate as dying in a canon event and why did no other Spider-Man think of doing that before
>why can they save India's universe but not Miles'
>why doesn't Gwen say her universe is fine even though she saved her dad from the bullet in the first movie
>why do Spot and Miles have precognition for some reason
>why is everyone trusting the contrarian anarchist Spider-Punk
>why do all the Spider-Men blindly trust an algorithm that the AI that made it isn't sure about
>why aren't Peter A's 1610's canon events enough to keep the 1610 universe in check
>why is Gwen fine with being told falling for Spider-Man and her dying is her canon event
>why do they let Gwen hang out in the multiverse permanently when it should be preventing her canon events
>why do they send Gwen to handle Spot in Miles' universe when they know she's a liability
>why do they all hang out in the Citadel when they should be busy in their own universes
>why can't they just check the teleport machine's records to see where Miles went at the end
>He was already on a multiversal collision course at that point and had seen Indian Spider-Man's world start collapsing around him, so he was bound to find out at some point. Also Miguel hadn't anticipated Miles freaking out and bolting after hearing it after telling him the consequences
>Better safe than sorry. Also they clearly have some experience dealing with universal collapse since they have a protocol to slow/halt when Indian Spider-Man's universe starts breaking down. This indicates it has likely happened more than just to Miguel.
>See above, they have expereince with these kind of scenarios. Also they don't have to be exclusive anyway, Spot's holes and the incursions can be similar/linked powers due to their shared control over multiversal phenomenon
>He concludes the captain's death is canon beacuse many of the spidermen he has interacted with have likely had that commonality between them, and those who haven't experienced it likely have a police captain they are familiar with (in Gwen's case it is her dad). The death of a Spider-Man doesn't necessitate the universe's collapse, the spiderverse web links all living Spider-Men. As long as a Spider-Man's alive then they will expereince the events, but if they die, they are no longer linked to the spiderverse web and thus exempt from it. The Spiderverse web is unique to all the universes that have a living Spider-Man in it, so a universe with none or a dead one won't be connected (for example our universe)
>He's assuming this just to be safe. He's already shared some commonality with other Spider-Men (getting spider powers, balancing his life as a super hero and a civie, Uncle dying, etc.) so it is reasonable to do so. As such he doesn't want to risk his universe imploding if he is linked to the spiderverse despite being an anomaly
>We don't know if this will keep him safe, we only know that this reassured GWEN, but no where is this implied that this is the solution.
>They didn't really "save" his universe as much as stall out his universe from being destroyed. We don't know if this is a permanent or even scalable solution rather than just a stop-gap, and considering Miguel's reaction to what Miles' wants to do its most likely the latter
>They can pinpoint when a canon event will happen with some accuracy, so they most likely can conclude that this wasn't where her father was supposed to die. Where the police captain is supposed to die is when Spider-Men are TRYING to save them, but outside factors prevent this (Indian Spider-Man being unable to hold onto his GF and reach the captain). Miles breaks this because he wasn't supposed to BE there in the first place, so if nature took its course the captain would have died
>Probably multiverse shenanagins. Spidey-sense is in-universe precognition anyway
>He's still affiliated with the organization and is willing to help against villains when needed. He says himself that he's gone on "dozens of missions". He only shows moderate resistance to being ordered on what to do, but nothing that has manifested as deliberately anti-Spider society until now.
>They trust Miguel who has expereinced with, Peter B who was witness to it, and likely other Spiders who have experience with it too
>Because a disruption of any canon events will result in universal failure. So even if you did the last 100, if you disrupt 1 the universe dies. Miguel is operating on the idea that Miles has created another sequence of canon events he must go through following his Spider-Man's death. This may not be true, but its a reasonable assumption
>What's she supposed to do about it. If someone told you in another universe you died will you throw some tantrum?
>The lack of presence of a Spider-Man doesn't break the universe
>She's familiar with that universe, and Jessica Drew trusted her enough to let her go
>Its a place to relax idk
>They assumed he went home because its obvious where he'd go
>Aryan
Miguel has Iranian in him too?
Canon events seem to be sort of free-floating. Presumably not every universe gets every canon event, but when one comes into play, it has to happen or the universe collapses. That's why things can be averted before they're "locked in" to happen, like Gwen's dad quitting the force, so he no longer has to die; or why weird things like Miles getting bit by a Spider from another universe don't collapse the universe, but they do create anomalies that introduce instability.
As for how things will play out? My theory is the universes that collapse don't actually get destroyed, they just get cut off from the Spiderverse. Universe 42 was robbed of its spider and therefore its Spider-Man, and so it's not part f the Spiderverse (even if the machine could send Miles there with the spider's DNA).
You could say that these universes. like the one Miles is in now, are Beyond The Spider-Verse™, Only on Cinemas, March 29th 2024.
This might be the only explanation that I have hear and like. I really don't like the idea of canon events because
First, it make it seem like the world revolves around spider-man.
Second, there a plenty of spider-man universes where some canon events never happen.
Miguel is operating on a ton of anecdotal evidence that will most likely be proven partially or completely incorrect in part 3. There. All the inconsistencies explained.
so I actually think Miguel talking about Canon is all bullshit and he has ulterior motives
Fuck Miguel.
haven't actually seen it but i assume they fucked my boy up so bad
Did any of the spidermen from the first movie back up Miles when the Spiders turned on him?
Peter B. kind of, and even then no. Everyone else waited until the end of the movie to back him up.
I'm still confused as to why spiderbyte let Miles go. Was it ever stated that she was against Miguel? Or did she and Miles just have the shining?
That was so forced and out of nowhere, I'm sure it's some comics bullshit.
REMINDER THAT GWEN STACY IS TRANS AND MILES MORALES LOVES WHITE DICK
Two ways
He was destined to be an anomaly or him being an anomaly allows his to escape the universes rules
That was to show Gwen miles was right you shouldn’t just accept evil simply because it’s needed
Miles will save his dad that’s the whole point of his crisis spiderman can do both
What the fuck is Peni gonna do to Miles?
She just stares, morosely, at someone who still maintains the innocence of a child. Basically she spent WAY too much time with Spider-Noir and his nihilism rubbed off on her. Among other things.
>reactor thing happens
>spot happens
>the thing destroying this universe is this totally real canon event thing I came up with
Miles will obviously save his father and get away with it because they've set up he is already an anomalous spiderman so the "captain must die" canon won't apply to him either.
I'm like 80% sure Miguel's second universe collapsing had nothing to do with him being an anomaly in said universe. The only reason he's acting and doing the things he does is because he blames himself for what he lost and sees himself in Miles, putting a lot of that blame on him. As for what actually happened to the dead Miguel's universe is unknown, but considering the entire universe glitched out in a similar way to the collider, it might have something to do with that event.
I just realized something, when Miguel was clawing at Miles when he was being transported to Universe 42, Miguel was literally ripping apart the fabric of space and time. I wonder if that's supposed to be metaphorical, foreshadowing for the next movie, or an abstract explanation of why his universe fell apart?
I wonder what actually happens when someone is displaced too long and dies from glitching