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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    100% agree and I don't think that's even debatable.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    posting a thread with a twitter op should be a bannable offense

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      100% agree and I don't think that's even debatable.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      MUH TWITTER
      Oh shut the frick up. Go after the shill threads you're so concerned about the sanctity of your fricking board.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah one wrong justifies another, two wrongs make a right.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Bot post

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You don't have to announce that you're a bot.
        Especially since it's so self-evident.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Cropped out stats make me wonder if the OP between both is the same.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dick has no reason to have civilian friends. It makes way more sense to hang out with Titans and Batfam, etc. on his off duty hours than him having some weak ass civilian job that doesn’t matter and civilian support cast that’s just arbitrarily there because genre conventions dictate it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This, complain about Spider-Man not having any civilian friends I get. But Dick's been doing this life since he was 12. Being a superhero is just everyday life.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Dick has no reason to have civilian friends.
      But remember when he did?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No. That’s how dull it was.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was shit. The only note worthy civilian cast member was the Roarbach and the other female cop from the early Rebirth days.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No, not really. There hasn't been a reason for him to keep a proper secret identity and a bunch of normies around as supporting characters since the Grayson run.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No? Dick has NEVER had a stable civilian supporting cast member.

        Amy Rohrbach and Bridget Clancy are the only ones who survived multiple writers and never got turned into heroes or villains. Amy having been at the end of Dixon's run and the beginning of Devin's run, and Bridget being a lot of Dixon's run until issue 45 or so and popping back up for one cameo each in OYL and Taylor's run. And mind you according to comic vine Amy is in 43 issues and Bridget in 53 (and at least 2-3 of those in each are just trades counting as issues bc that's how comic vine works).

        Dixon dumped most of the early cast (with Bridget being the last one dumped) in favor of the batfamily.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. The only friends he has that people care about are the Titans and Babs.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      dick's identity going public could expose bruce.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        While it's true, I don't think this is what going on here. Taylor has been building (poorly) on Dick's civilian life as this philantrope millionaire and use the unmasking as a way to make it seems like Dick's life is in danger twice in his run, so he cares in his own way. But why would hack writers care about secret identities when they can kill off or wipe the memories of any inconvenient witnesses by the end? Taylor did the same with Blockbuster.

        >could
        It would and should expose Bruce and anyone associated with him. That including Dick's sweetheart, which unlike the rest has a civiliain life thanks to being Jim's daughter.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, the *only* superhero that actually needs a secret identity in order for the concept to work are Spider-Man and maybe Daredevil. For everyone else it doesn't really matter. It's a Golden/Silver Age relic.

      Civilian plotlines are mostly just a slog and due to decompression plus readers demanding action every issue they are rarely a focus anymore.

      Frankly, at this point DC could make Batman and Superman's secret identities public tomorrow and it wouldn't change the core of these characters much at this point (in fact, they already did it with Clark a few times).

      As said, Dick already has the batfamily and the Titans, as well as whoever else you need like Defacer. You don't really need anyone else.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Get even slightly hurt by Bruce Wayne or Dick Grayson while they're illegally participating in vigilantism:

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Veterans, cops, and activists have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures. The superhero identity stuff doesn't really cut it anymore, the public is more inclined to protect you unless if you're nobodies like Boeing whistleblowers.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >cops ... have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures

      powerful malevolent figures like pet dogs or their own wives

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Leftoids beat their wives and rape their daughters

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Scroll by and see an interesting thread about how comics have moved away from secret ID and civilian supporting casts but it looks like a bunch of politics shit?

        I don’t see any leftists here though

        They exist as the voices in his head.

        antigays rape kids btw

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Dont you understand that coulda been been one of them!
          Get rid of guns so people like him can be protected.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              This and many other incidents killed any reconciliation for me.
              I will never ever willing work with someone or anyone that associates with these types of "people".

              >Classic liberal
              A centrist or center-right ideology.
              [...]
              >anti-gays
              People who dislike homosexuals.

              >A centrist or center-right ideology.
              you are none of those things

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >you are none of those things
                Says who? I mean literally says who?
                I've been called all sorts of things due to my
                eclectic beliefs.
                Mostly from morons like you who see everything in a black vs white, us vs them perspective.
                No realising that most humans, most ideologies don't fit into perfectly neat categories.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You are said Moron
                Why lie? You’re not fooling anyone. You went rabid the first moment some conservative talked trash about leftists. But never vice versa.
                You were clearly butthurt. That’s fine. But don’t pretend no one noticed you’re nowhere near center

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Veterans, cops, and activists have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures

      You mean fighting for them

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Veterans, cops, and activists have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures
      shut up stupid, those fights aren't personal or as intense

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and when they confront kingpin like villains
      Their family members are all at risk. What are you moronic? How do you not know this shit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That just raises the question of why cops haven't kept up. They can easily get military tech in the budget.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Because this is all dependent on how competent your government is
          Or if the mafia/cartel/criminal origination is getting outside help
          Mafia threatening cop's family members used to be a thing till cops and the government neutered them.
          Cartels meanwhile can threaten with impunity,
          Cops being threatened is still a thing in the US just more under the table.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          If the police were sufficient to fight against the bad guys, there wouldn't need to be super heroes.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Cops wear masks to raid drug lords all the time, because they don't want themselves or their families killed in their off-hours.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >cops ... have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures

      powerful malevolent figures like pet dogs or their own wives

      >Veterans, cops, and activists have their names shown despite fighting against powerful malevolent figures

      You mean fighting for them

      Fricking morons like you should have your heads bashed in for being this moronic

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You do know they keep names of things like swat members or agents as confidential right? They are not broadcast or shared unless they really really have to be.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Except, several people within those institutions take on assignments where they are undercover, essentially creating an alter ego to perform the investigation. They wear masks when performing raids.

      When giving statements, witnesses are asked their legal names for the record. After this act they are sometimes sequestered away and placed in a new identity for their protection.

      Cops in every country suffer retaliation for their jobs. Fricking Border security agents are known for wearing disguises and taking obfuscation routes to their homes with are longer than necessary.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Agree. It's been a noticeable trend for a while that there's much fewer civilian characters in the Big Two these days.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Does Bendis count as caring when he makes civilian characters just to claim rights to them?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's true.
    Superheroes don't feel like heroes anymore. They're not saving or protecting anyone. They are just dolls being slammed against other dolls.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I don’t read comics but here’s my shitty take

      ‘Kay. Thanks for me playing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      A Cinemaphilemrade put it best when he said they're just celebrities with superpowers.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I’ll agree that secret identities are an antiquated idea when discussing how these comics could have a twinge of “reality” to them. But they’re also absolutly necessary in developing these characters as people. Superhero comics are fundamentally soap operas for boys so you really want those issues with them as civilians dealing with work family and their love life for those of us who like a fuller story. Ultimate spider-man (bendis) was the last time a comic really focused on that, and that shot itself in the foot by NEVER progressing the character in the slightest. I think hickmans ultimate is going to eventually suffer similarly by sticking him at an end game, but comic companies should note that the success of that comic so far has been embracing the civilian side of spidey

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Ultimate spider-man (bendis) was the last time a comic really focused on that, and that shot itself in the foot by NEVER progressing the character in the slightest
      One anon suggested a while back that only the first six trades of Ultimate should be read and that's it.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >one guy is immediately killed and the villain and his aide threaten the other guy to never tell anyone
    Honestly it's surprising how rare it is for others to find out a superhero's secret identity. Also this is the last arc of Taylor's run. None of this is going to matter.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe this is part of it.
    But I think there's more to it than this and it comes down to 2 things these lefty writers are always obsessed with: the idea of "the rebellion/revolution" and identity in general i.e. individualism.
    The idea of a lone person doing good on their own with a secret identity and otherwise blending into society is unappealing for both these reasons. It's vigilantism that often blurs the line between the good guys and the bad guys which is not what they want.
    The true "hero" in their mind always has to be part of a bigger "cause" that is undeniably right but almost paradoxically they also have to emphasize their individuality in that system. They can't just be doing good for it's own sake they need credit and they can't just be grunt #2 because that doesn't fit the fantasy.
    On a base level having an anonymous identity destroys the ability to have "accountability" and "transparency", words they love to use, and most importantly of all it destroys the ability to meaningfully virtue signal. Which coincidentally is probably the reason they don't like this website very much either.
    The ultimate leftist power fantasy is to be Che Guevara, Ghandi, etc... so that's what they make their superheroes to reflect.
    Leftists actually have way more of a hero complex themselves so they need everything to be overly serious and realistic otherwise it can't reflect their fantasy to fix real world issues. And people not being able to put 2 and 2 together that Clark Kent is Superman is not realistic. It's an abstraction from an abstract world. In a way it's really a more complex level of symbolism than leftists are interested in.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I think it's more to do with [absolute rambling schizo bullshit]

      why do we not inject /misc/tards with bleach

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They were injecting themselves with it for a while

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Shhh little baby anon, I know the truth can be upsetting
        It's okay just go back to your comfort threads on twitter where everyone agrees with you
        Everybody is crazy except you and your friends

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Redditspacing
        >/pooooool/!
        Everyone thinks the same about you migrants.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >their fantasy to fix real world issues
      But that's the thing. They don't want to actually fix anything or help anyone, as that would make them obsolete and rob them of the attention and validation they seek. They want to be KNOWN for doing good, not actually do good. Just look up which demographics do the most volunteering and donating to charity.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >It's vigilantism that often blurs the line between the good guys and the bad guys which is not what they want.
      But that's the coolest part.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >lefty writers are always obsessed with: the idea of "the rebellion/revolution" and identity in general i.e. individualism
      it's way simpler than that. modern comic writers are all about vanity and like to pretend they are celebrities for writing capeshit. the shitty x-men hellfire galas were the perfect representation of this when all the writers had the characters they self insert as have a shitty party with god awful attire that actual celebrities they are obsessed with have. comic writers are all vain and have an inflated ego, so the idea of somebody not flaunting the things they do to fellate themselves is completely incomprehensible to them. this is why the secret identity is dead.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >the shitty x-men hellfire galas were the perfect representation of this when all the writers had the characters they self insert as have a shitty party with god awful attire that actual celebrities they are obsessed with have.
        Holy shit, please tell me you have the pages dubsman.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Holy projection, Batman!

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    While he's right, the issue here is that Tom Taylor is a bad writer. 90% chance Zucco dies (probably from his daughter) since he was dead before this run anyways

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is:
    >Unbearable side cast who get replaced with the next creator.
    I mean the storylines with side characters are so soap opera bland that they may as well not even be there in the first place.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Technology just keeps advancing to where any villain with a little money and time could figure who they are. The fact more haven't is baffling.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Babs has a magical algorithm that distorts or scrubs any close-ups of heroes from social media, except when she doesn't because nothing is consistent.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I mean that is suspension of disbelief inherent in multiple forms of fiction.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Secret identities existed because comics were for kids, and kids like the idea of having secrets. Of having something they know that the adults don't know. The average comic reader now is 35-45, with b***h breasts.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You think adults don't like the idea of having secrets? If anything I think middle aged adults probably fantasize about escaping to a secret life more than anybody.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is hardly a new thing though. You guys remember that video of Stan Lee helping design a superhero in the 90's and he's constantly pushing for them to humanize the guy or give him a weakness or marry him to someone and Rob Liefeld just keep replying with 'Nah, he's OverKill. Let's give him some wires, he's OverKill. Who else could he be?'

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Heroes now lack any humanity and when they try and give them some humanity they speak like robots. I am convinced writers who spend too much time online forget the patter of normal human conversation and instead they act like a Pixar character with one up turned eyebrow being Whedon style whitty or expressing shitty flat bland talking points, back and forth, often with cringe dialogue or bonus points for some political point.

    • 1 week ago
      SUPER AGGRO CRAG

      their human moments is when they eat Fast Food with Other Heroes in Full Costume and say "omg this is sooooo tasty...."

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Complaining about Dick Grayson's secret identity is really complaining about Bruce Wayne's secret identity. But if Bruce didn't have a secret identity then he'd basically just be Tony Stark, or DC's equivalent, John Henry Irons. Or a middle-ground, like Michael Holt.

    Batman is Batman. He needs his secret identity. So so does Nightwing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      "Bruce Wayne is the secret identity" is pretty much canon as far as DC is concerned, which means it only matters as a plot device to explain how he can afford his tech.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I always hate to see this subject come up.
    While it's true modern writers put little importance and nuance into the heroes' civilian identities these days, I only ever see this sentiment come from social media types that would be far more content with slice of life AUs like Wayne Family Adventures than conventional superhero stories.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Scroll by and see an interesting thread about how comics have moved away from secret ID and civilian supporting casts but it looks like a bunch of politics shit?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Leftoids have convinced themselves that "everything is art" and "all art is political" therefore "everything is political"

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t see any leftists here though

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They exist as the voices in his head.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >muh cops are pigs
          thats a leftist talking point

          They exist as the voices in his head.

          Classic liberal pig right here

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Classic liberal
            A centrist or center-right ideology.

            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            antigays rape kids btw

            >anti-gays
            People who dislike homosexuals.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >>muh cops are pigs
            >thats a leftist talking point

            Hatred of cops is pretty much an across the board thing in practice. The main difference between the left and right there is that the latter talks about supporting them but, when it comes down to it, they hate them just as much as the most hardcore leftist.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >we need to keep our police on a tight leash so they wont become corrupt and power hungry, after all we still need them to enforce laws
              vs
              >kill all cops, fry em in a blanket, ima vote in this person who will defund police. Wait why is crime rising?
              These are not the same.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Wait why is crime rising?

                Crime is at an all time low and has historically kept dropping after a momentary spike due to Covid related circumstances. A lot more violent crime happens in red states but right wingers don’t like to admit this because it ruins their narrative.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Haha yeah, red places are crime ridden shitholes
                >black kid gets shot because he stole a car and tried to run down 5 police officers
                Oh sorry be right back gotta burn my city down haha

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's a pity, because Clark Kent was always a more interesting person than Superman.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'd say that it's more modern comic writers are just continuing a trend that's been around for a long time in other depictions of those characters.

    Look at how Batman evolved in the DCAU from having Bruce Wayne be pretty distinct from Batman in BTAS to basically being Batman out of the suit in TNBA to basically not existing in JL.

    Executives don't like that sort of thing since they feel it confuses viewers; Teen Titans basically treated their other identities as Easter eggs.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    100% agree. Just look at Spider-man, they fricking turned MJ into a superhero.

  23. 1 week ago
    sage

    >US comics writers: People don't care about civilian lives or downtime here's 22 pages of setup for another super-fight and some setup scenes for the next issues super-fight
    >Manga: All our characters have rich social lives outside of fight scenes and we have entire volumes just dedicated to subplots that have nothing to do with fighting bad guys
    Why are western comics like this? Are they just that narrow-minded that they don't understand that rich narratives are better than one-note stuff?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >another fricking thread gets shitted up by an East vs West moron
      Like fricking clockwork, anyway your SHARTnime heroes are social morons, when they're not LITERAL moronS.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >All our characters have rich social lives outside

      No they don’t.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Manga: All our characters have rich social lives outside of fight scenes and we have entire volumes just dedicated to subplots that have nothing to do with fighting bad guys
      But that's false and not even comparable. In MHA, being a superhero is literally a job and thus the barrier between capes and civillian life is non existent.
      A more fairer comparison would be Kamen Rider, Ultraman, Cyborg 009, Devilman etc....

  24. 1 week ago
    sage

    If you want a shining example of how removing all kind of civilian stuff from a character makes them into a big nothing look no further than Carol Danvers.

    Unless you are doing a pure space book like Silver Surfer, the greater power and importance you heap onto a character the more important it gets to show that they're still a person under there. You need to fricking know what they're fighting for. "Career military" was already a terrible idea for Carol but then making her just be Captain Marvel all the time was an even worse one because really what is there left of her as a person? She has a cat. She hangs out with Spider-Woman. That's about it. Since KSD's run Carol has just become an icon, a vague outline of a superhero with no clear personality other than "she's the BEST".

    I mean frick me, that single scene of her in Rainbow Rowell's She-Hulk gave her more personality than she has had in almost 10 years worth of her solo comic. And her latest run even showed how little personality she has by putting her in a situation where she's in the Negative Zone half the time while the other character is on Earth and it in NO way causes Carol any emotional distress or problems other than "What if I can't punch somebody when it's needed?". She's so far detached from anything relatable there's no concern of losing touch with friends or family, no social life to speak of, no hobbies or interests.

    Characters don't need secret identities but civilian identities where they can be just people are vital to superhero fiction in general or else it's just smashing action figures together for 22 pages a month.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >B-but what about...
      Yes there are exceptions to this obviously. Don't try to be fricking Sherlock Holmes by pointing out whatever character you feel breaks the "rule".

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but also other reason lying beneath: Thanks to modern Internet the average Joe (i.e. the writers) has lost all idea of keeping privacy. So they don't care about doing it, not because they prefer the heroes, but because they can't comprehend why anyone would wish to keep parts of their life private and separated from their work

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >everybody responds to the obvious b8 post
    come on

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no, Nightwing's identity is exposed. What ever will happen now...

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Hold up if this fatass found out dick is nightwing shouldn't he also have pieced together Batman is Bruce?

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