>All of these indie animations growing
>She is still trapped in a pilot for 7 years
>All of these indie animations growing. >She is still trapped in a pilot for 7 years
>All of these indie animations growing
>She is still trapped in a pilot for 7 years
I hate indie animation. It doesn't feel like you're watching something real, it feels like a viral video. The sad thing is that this is probably going to be the de facto main form of entertainment forever, since whole generations have been reared on phoneshit.
Indie animation was great back then, but now all the good animators left or upload once a year
Are they working industry jobs?
sorry industry cuck but the future is now, traditional animation is too expensive for the animation industry to pump out like in the early 2010s and the barrier to entry keeps getting lower every year.
I get the sensation that what you're watching isn't something "real," but more like instead, it's trying to constantly nudge my side and be like
>ayy, aint this GOOD for an indie animation
>sure, we don't got the time and money to make it good-good
>but we do a lot better than most with much less
Aaron Long going for a lot of extra movement and camerawork in S&TM is what I always think of, which is a shame because otherwise it's very nice and watchable.
how is this a bad thing?
How is that hard to parse? The way it's doing it takes you out of it, but it's not able to fully accomplish the thing it took you out of it to put a spotlight on, so you're just left out of it and with all things that come with that, so not great to be part of the experience, simple as.
Indian shills have mastered English more than I have mastered any other language, but you're still a font of grammatical nonsense.
Ah ha ha, wait India, wait.
You like to describe the current of the indescribable, you madman. And you attempt such things without a fluent grasp of English! You madmen.
>I hate indie animation
said like a cuck with zero artistic capabilities. indy is the future for the top tier artists, maybe your just an average/basic guy?
Go back to watching family guy then
Boomers are all moronic i swear
She's got a Satanic star on her head. I'm not touching that shit. Die, you Moloch-worshipping c**t.
Viv only got my tepid support because she animated a great fricking fight scene. The support is gone, no more support.
What? I love ~~*indie*~~ animation. Same reason why I love ~~*progressives*~~, so I could separate myself from ~~*liberals*~~.
>Is that a pentagram? That's satanic, gross!
>Oh the Satan show with demons as the main characters, two of them, and constant non-stop in your face LGBT themes? I'll give that a shot
Are you genuinely moronic
I said it had a great fricking fight scene.
Is that scene technically deficient? By old-school animation standards, yes. By mangaka standards, yes. But it was ambitious, set to great music, and you just fricking FELT the fricking blood-pumping motion of it. It was GOOD and FRICK does this industry need that artistic ambition.
So you'll turn your back on your ideals if you get to see something flashy? You're a hypocrite, disgusting.
I'm going to need better bait than this.
TOH is another show I was heavily involved in that has Satanic themes. That wasn't voluntary on my part.
Horrible things have happened to me and I'm very dissociated. You'll notice that on days when things are very tense, I'll keep chugging along like it's any other day because I'm permanently dissociated.
If I emotionally connected to all the ways I've been exploited, I may give up on humanity then and there.
most mentally well-adjusted christgay
You turned your back on your ideals of Christendom for a fight scene. There's no bait here, you're a hypocrite.
If I was involved in the story, Christianity would have a voice in the production. I may not be educated on the finer details of Christianity - and that is a significant hinderence - but I am ethically and morally aligned with Christianity beneath it all. And having a conversation between Christians and newbie Satanists is an important conversation young people could use.
I thought we could play around with the Christianity themes. Maybe have a soft, theological argument of sorts thematically. I am woefully uneducated when it comes to Christianity, but I'll try if Viv tries. But Viv is a lazy prostitute and doesn't want to do any actual research so her stories can be profound.
That so bad? It's entertainment so there we go!
It's just that indie animation is so diverse but feels like it still is in the leftist space of things so yeah. Although without Hollywood's bullcrap, we will get the actual diverse stories I am most interested to see.
Nothing is stopping rightwingers from making their own independent animated series.
~~*Nothing*~~ at all
It's independent, moron. How is your boogieman stopping people from creating their own shit?
By invading and undermining their own systems of finance, thanks for asking
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Memeeroonos? On my Cinemaphile?!!
I really don't fricking care at this point, but if you're going to be a contrarian asswipe about it go right ahead. Just keep in mind that shit always changes no matter wether you like it or not.
Cast it to your tv boomer you'll feel better
suck it up, or learn to draw and do it yourself
I hate how when a cartoon comes out, it already has a huge fanbase after day 1 of its release. It feels inorganic. Also the digital circus or whatever just sucks imo. Its sterile and boring looking, brings back memories to that shitty game balan wonderworld. I didnt like that show ENA either, reeks of fugazi aestheticism
Glitch did a good job of pumping the gas for the Digital Circus release. They already had a bunch of fanboys chomping at the bit since they were super into MD and they knew exactly what to tease to get people hyped about DC.
Speak fricking English.
learn to read English. Assuming you know what Glitch, MD, and DC are, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to parse it.
>born too late take advantage of when YouTube used to pay by viewcount instead of watch length like most of mondo media's old stuff
>Born too early to be truly indie and funded by fans on Patreon.
Isn't this the incest voodoo doll b***h?
yep. I don't know it as anything else
What ever happened to the creator of this show? I feel like anyone who worked at Frederator has probably gotten into the industry or is probably moving out of it by now.
She's on social media making The Summoning comics and art.
is she ever resentful that her show didn't get picked up?
no, she knew that even managing to get a pilot was a crapshoot
It's still being reworked by Fredericton according to OP's image youtube video. This time with no Natasha allegri attached
> This time with no Natasha allegri attached
That’s probably true but you got a source for that
this youtube video, the end segment from OP's image
I Dunno how to find the video on youtube though, hopefully some anon will link it for you
I demand cat gf!
She's half wood elf, half cat.
I know the video. The fact that Fred Seibet stepped down from Frederator and started a new company called Fred Films was mentioned and it was implied that The Summoning may find new life with that group. Allegro was not mentioned at all. Allegro also has a working relationship with Seibert since he produced Bee and Puppycat so she could still be a part of it.
So where is your source?
Allegri. Spellcheck hates her name.
>This time with no Natasha allegri attached
She was attached to the original
no shit.
That was a question, I forgot the question mark
oh, sorry for being shitty then.
Yes, Allegri was involved. Elyse Castro pitched the idea to Frederator's animation incubator and it got picked up, but she had absolutely no experience with animation or the animation pipeline since she was primarily an indie comic artist. Because of that, Frederator put Natasha Allegri on the production to help produce since she had recently finished up work on Bee & Puppycat and could help with the process. Elyse stayed on top of creative decisions, but Allegri knew how to actually make the thing go as well as offer advice as to what ideas would translate well from page to screen and what wouldn't, etc.
oh okay, that makes sense. Allegri was there due to her animation experience with B&PC and to help out since Castro didn't know much about animation industry.
>oh, sorry for being shitty then.
no worries. without the question mark, the context of that sentence reads entirely different.
>pilot was a crapshoot
heyo
Pretty sure she’s a school teacher (after giving up on being a tattoo artist). She posts a new comic to her insta on very rare occasions.
>school teacher
that poor soul.
>Pretty sure she’s a school teacher (after giving up on being a tattoo artist)
I wonder how that journey went? Is she teaching art there now?
>I wonder how that journey went? Is she teaching art there now?
She was at a studio and doing fairly well, but she'd mentioned in an interview that she didn't like that most clients had awful ideas and she was forced to work on shitty designs.
I -think- she is teaching kids art/theater/etc, but I'm not 100% on that. I don't remember if she mentioned it in an interview or if it was mentioned in a livestream she did with her sister (which is on youtube).
>she didn't like that most clients had awful ideas and she was forced to work on shitty designs.
That seems fair. I can imagine that would be a frustration and could make you want to leave the industry
>I don't remember if she mentioned it in an interview or if it was mentioned in a livestream she did with her sister (which is on youtube).
Good to hear. I'm glad she's still doing well. I honestly forget most Frederator Shows exist, but occasionally think of this one and how it should've gotten its shot.
There were a bunch of them that were comfy, but very few inspired the sort of spongebob type mania that I think networks are looking for. I grabbed a bunch off of VRV when that was still a thing.
I really hope that Fred Films moves forward. I've been keeping an ear to the ground but aside from the non-company related posts that Fred makes on Linkedin (mostly about the industry in general), there really hasn't so much as a peep. Then again, it's a pretty new company and people usually keep things quiet until they're ready to launch so...
>There were a bunch of them that were comfy, but very few inspired the sort of spongebob type mania that I think networks are looking for. I liked the one with the rabbit girl and her friend, but would've picked the Summoning over it. I don't know what happened to that one either.
>VRV
Man, I remember that. I downloaded it once but deleted it when I needed the extra space on my phone. I imagine it didn't do too hot in the end, especially since I haven't heard from it since and Bravest Warriors isn't on it anymore.
>I really hope that Fred Films moves forward.
Didn't even know this was a thing. I'm curious about it.
anything you're missing? I have most of it archived
Not any I can think of. Did they end up deleting a lot of stuff? If you want to share any of them, that's cool too. It's sad Channel Frederator didn't even make it through the entire 2010s like I imagined. I really had a lot of optimism about what they were doing on YouTube.
That was largely youtube's fault. They changed the algorithm and suddenly it became imposssible to make any real money with animation. Before that, Frederator's model of youtube releases was going to be the way of the future.
Yes, but look at all the fanart since then. And she is STILL getting fanart.
Would be nice to get some episodes, even something like just 5 or 10 eps. Oh well. Be happy we got what we got.
I always feel happy knowing that we still have the pitch art bible. Even we never see much of the show again, I'm happy knowing that we have what we have, and will never forget about her.
>https://issuu.com/foxeedesign/docs/thesummoning_pitchbible
I guess the question remains, how come this pilot failed to be picked up? I feel it had alot of potential. Is its era over now? Too late to be picked up?
Also what is with the last page, did she hand pick fanart?
Lots of shows don’t get picked up. Long Gone Gulch seemed like a shoe in and that has failed to get network backing.
That said, the fact that the main character has an inverted pentagram on her forehead probably doesn’t help considering how batshit the conservatards are these days.
If anything we need it to be picked up to make the point their time is over.
Anon there's been like a bajillion witch/satanism cartoons over the past few years
Yes, it's considered a bad thing by the public. A sign we are straying from God.
With actual satanic symbols though? Though I guess it's easy to remove.
no, there's been a bunch of cutesy harry potter shit where magic isn't conjured with the aid of the devil. Any shows that actually deal with hell or hint at satanism/occultism is made for adults or an indie production.
Why not go the indie route? Maybe the creator just is fine with making comics?
because going the indie route sucks ass. It's insanely hard to actually finance a project where you can actually make a livable wage and pay the people who work for you fairly. The unfortunate truth is that a lot of independent productions rely on the creators going out of pocket, friends pitching in for cheap or free, etc. Even then, making one episode takes a long time when you have a small crew with a revolving door (and everyone pretty much needs to have a day job on top of that to make things work).
Aside from that, you need to be constantly shilling on social media to keep the project in people's minds and to get people to donate. Some people love the spotlight and live for this sort of shit, but most animators are huge nerds who don't really feel comfortable talking about themselves or constantly taking selfies and doing livestreams.
We're in an exciting time where independently creating animated works is feasible, but there are still very good reasons why people would prefer to work with a network.
Networks SUCK though. They sometimes get the rights to shows and just SIT on the IP and do jack shit with it. Imagine your baby being held hostage.
it's the deal with the devil. On the other hand you get access to deep pockets, a PR team, and professional studios/artisans who can make your dream become a reality. When you go indie you need to constantly suck dick online to convince people to give you $5, work with whatever artists you can convince to work on a low budget project (mostly students), deal with people always making your project second priority as they chase gigs that actually pay well, etc.
It's a fricking shame that none of the billionaires in the world are eccentric animation fans. Imagine seeding an animation incubator with 1 billion dollars.
If I had the money and you had the talent, I would want to know that we're morally aligned before investing a cent into you living another day.
Having a catgirl with a satanic pentagram carved into her forehead tells me all I need to know about you.
Are you under the impression that I'm Elyse?
Pushing a character out of your head and into public consciousness via syndication takes too much work for one to simply be ambivalent about their main character, you complete israelite.
best of luck with that
It was ahead of its time and showed up too early. Netflix animation would have l9ved to sponsor this satanic cat cartoon.
Netflix was greenlighting a lot of shows out of sheer spite, it's true. Really missed the boat there.
It blows my mind thinking of all the projects Netflix didn't pick up, but they greenlit fricking Pacific Heat.
>It was ahead of its time
Explain.
>more than 1200 pictures of porn for a 5 minute short
This character had Loona potential with a real show
IT SHOULD’VE BEEN THE NEXT ADVENTURE TIME GOD FRICKING DAMN IT
I think the terminology "ahead of your time" applies here perfectly. Too early for viral indie cartoon success.
Yeah this would have easily taken off if it came out just a few years later. Sort of reminds me of Mission Hill pretty much perfectly predicting what hipster culture would become in the 00s, but at least that got an actual if short-lived series.
No one knows what it's like...
That pilot was pretty good.
Can it be made now that there is more lewd fanart than anything else?
That skirt length is perfect for endless panty shots.
There's also the fact that she's 14 (I think) so alot of pearl clutchers go out of their mind on the subject of lewds. I wonder what the creator thinks of all the porn?
I can't get a good read on Elyse. Part of me thinks that she could be the type to pretend to be grossed out but secretly like it.
She was originally 12
is that mentioned in the pilot?
it's in the original pitch
>”indie animations”
>thread is discussing nothing but Frederator pilots, which were co-produced by Sony, giving them massive budgets to work with
You guys are gays
yeah, none of the Frederator shows were 'indie'. I think OP just wanted to talk about Claire but realized spamming the same "She's up to no good" thread isn't very effective.
>Frederator
Explains a lot.
Lay a rose on CN's grave for me, Fred.
Fred Seibert is based. His philosophy of enabling creators to produce their vision with no meddling is a risky but inspired approach.
Sure, bud.
Besides the satanic imagery (Boomers are shaking) and the ahead of it's time release, I would say the biggest problem with the pilot was relying too much in the gross out humor; seeing a lot of failed cartoons who relied on that type of humor for me was its biggest reason to not be picked.
Furthermore, the porn parody being more recognized than the pilot itself is not beneficial.
Do you...fricking realize that showing Satanic imagery to kids is 12 steps too far for every cool outcast you looked up to in the past? It's not being mindfully edgy, it's just blatantly evil.
could you have a nice day please?
What?!? Aren't we the friendliest of friends?!! We could be coworkers, after all.
That's my point with the (Boomers are shaking) and why it was never picked up.
Either should be catered to an older audience or strip down all that stuff for younger kids (which is unlikely seeing Elyse mini comics).
>the porn parody being more recognized than the pilot itself is not beneficial.
Wat.
Wait, she supposed to be from cartoon, I know her only from this image.
Welcome to Cinemaphile newbie
One of my personal theories is surrounding the pentagram which may look for some people not only satanic but the fact that is RED may make it look like SELF HARM then she could be judged as a self harm apologist because she's a pale thin emo girl that looks like one. I can see people feeling this way.
Elyse is really into metal. There's a really good chance it was actually supposed to look like she carved it into her forehead.
I'm all for it, but it's also just a pilot. If it was actually picked up that is the sort of thing I could see getting discarded for an actual run.
For all the shows that only make it to pilot, it really makes me appreciate the ones that do make it through to a series. I guess not everyone can be a winner. But for the ones that get a show, even if its short, I hope those show creators enjoyed their time in the spotlight with an animated show of their own.
I tried to get a short made in that program, but they rejected my pitch out of hand, so out of spite, I'm happy to see that none of the shorts got picked up for a series.
This is why you want your execs to be a little autistic: so that they pay attention to the craft even though cheap prostitutes are begging to suck their dicks.
Millennial cool guy execs are just mindless kleptomaniacs with no real purpose.
Millennials aren't really old enough to be in any position of real power yet. The oldest Millennials are barely 40. They're middle managers. The people actually making decisions are Gen X and Boomers.
I don't believe you, anon. Go frick yourself with a rusty spoon.
Only a millennial would know which nepobabies were frothing at the mouth to punish Trump's America memetically.
you sound triggered. Need a safe space?
Yes, very much so. Thanks for asking.
My safe space is the Frederator's abandoned studio, could you take me there?
I wonder if le evul star is the reason why nobody ever picked this up.
Animation is a high labor workforce job. You freeloading no skilled homosexuals can b***h all you want but money is money. If there is no living wage in the field of the animation industry than their is no good job opportunities that isn't with WB or Disney. Even THEY hate their animation departments.