All "smart" characters are written by stupid people. Name one single character whose defining trait is his intelligence that feels like it was written by someone who understands how smart people think.
All "smart" characters are written by stupid people.
>smart character joins show/movie/game/book
>everyone else suddenly become brainlets that can't think at all and are awed at basic deductions
Dr House
House was the Rick and Morty of 2000, overrated Reddit trash
Another triggered christian who didn't understand that the show doesn't glorify House
And Rick Sanchez "isnt supposed" to be a role model either
On multiple occasions House is faced with religious questions that challenge his worldview and his smarmy atheism doesn't work. You would know this if you watched the show
>Placebo
>A phenomenon where, for no discernible reason, belief and positive outlook work
>Reddit atheists, unable to internalize this fact, have the audacity to maintain their materialist worldview
Damn.
That's not what placebo means
It literally does.
No, it literally doesn't. You're an idiot who confuses "placebo" and "placebo effect"
Lmao BTFO
moron
>le christian
How about muslim?
Note how he never denied being christian - because I was right
>maybe he has a point lets see what he calls reddit
>muh god bro he made fun of my sky daddy
Fricking lol. If the best you have is him hurting your feelings because he made fun of you believing in ancient israeli mythology then it must not be too bad.
exactly what I thought too lmao
also this
The only people I've EVER seen complain about House being fake smart are people butthurt about what he says about god
Theists are the most moronic insecure fricking buttholes out there. You guys are like literal angry 12 years old with big toys.
launching into some emotional tantrum over someone making fun of an old tv show is pretty telling, nice projection.
it isn't telling or projection at all. what I said was perfectly clear. you're probably just butthurt because you're one of the goofball dumbfricks who believes in god and thought what I said was true
You do realize that House's militant atheism was one of his cringier traits that the audience wasn't supposed to identify with, right?
your problem is believing that intelligent people are better than everyone else at everything they do. they often excel at a couple things and be quite dumb on others.
no, OP clearly stated the problem. It's dumb L.A. writers trying to write smart characters. It doesn't matter what 'kind' of smarts were talking about.
>your problem is believing that intelligent people are better than everyone else at everything they do. they often excel at a couple things and be quite dumb on others.
So they're good at a few things and dumb at others? That means the difference is that at least there's stuff there's good at. Dumb people are bad at everything.
Plus, general intelligence *does* carry over to a lot of skills.
actually this. a truly intelligent character wouldn't be that compelling because they simply wouldn't have many more answers than a normal people in most fictional situations
That's not the point moron, they are intelligent because they can learn anything faster than everyone else. Saying they are dumb at other things is not relevant since they can master a skill if they wanted to, faster than anyone else.
one of the best posts of all time if i'm being honest senpai
This post best explains why the new batman written by Matt Reeves is so fricking moronic
>Battinson exists in a world with a technology level equal to or greater than our own
>smartphones exist
>doesn’t decide at any point to look up what the murder weapon from the first crime scene was, instead waits until it’s too late to be informed by a working-class cop that it’s a carpet tucker so the rest of the plot can happen
>world’s greatest detective.png
The Batman is an embarrassingly stupidly-written film and frick anyone stupid enough to defend it.
this is every single peaky blinders season as well
>moron characters listen to teenage dirtbag
yup checks out
>Name one single character whose defining trait is his intelligence that feels like it was written by someone who understands how smart people think.
Easy.
>my punishment for the guy that drove my sister to suicide is... to make him fall for and sleep with a teenage girl who's actually but she's his le daughter
Midwit movie.
Actual smart people exploit socially inept "smart" genius type people thought.
Matt Damon's character in good will hunting was a smart character written by two geniuses.
Matt Damon’s character, and this is coming from someone with autism, is autistic as frick
How the frick would you know how smart people think, homosexual.
Because I am smart myself. Go ahead, test me.
simple test - why are there so many black people on tv lately?
If you are truly smart, then calculate the square root of pi! No man or machine is able to do THAT!
1.5
I talk to myself out loud sometimes and it's getting harder to stop
Sheldor Coopor
I guarantee your iq is between 100 and 110, yet you think you're the smartest person in the room while 125+ iq people just ignore you.
If you were actually inteligent you would know that 115-125 IQ is the absolute worst. That's the goldilocks range for sociology professors. It's the dunning kruger of higher IQ because they are too stupid and arrogant to not understand that their above average competence at memorization and regurgitation of party doctrine is not dynamic intellectual work.
t. 145 IQ
Give me a fricking bog standard 100 IQ normie over a "professor" any day of the week.
>145 IQ
>Believes in the Dunning-Kruger effect
You had me going there for a second
this is completely wrong,115-125 is the most common range for ceos and leadership positions. More than that and you get diminishing returns. People's ability to effectively communicate also starts to taper off at around 25-30 points of IQ difference, so an IQ about 120 is actually the optimal balance for competence and intelligence. Your stereotypical awkward loner intellectual tends to be in the 130-150 range, and annoying people that thinking they're smarter than they are is a personality type that exists across all levels of intelligence.
The problem with that finding is that it's just the most successful type of leader, and the difference is really not major. Similar to your last point, leaders are another personality type which exists across all levels of intelligence.
It isn't true that people in that range of intellect will be leaders. The majority of "leaders" today can be found in middle management and administration, which are useless jobs filled by moronic Zoom jockeys who only exist so their boss has more subordinates and gets more respect. It's a very boring form of corporate feudalism. Also, leaders universally overestimate their own competence, and credit for success is given to leaders, instead of their consultants, lieutenants, workers, or business context - any of which are often more important than leadership in the solved game of the modern market.
It should be clear that people with IQs of ~120 really are midwits. Even your post hints at this, you just rephrased and inverted the schematic of the comment to which you're replying.
Finally - you'd have a point if these people were able to leverage their intelligence without falling prey to normalgay fallacies. But they don't, at all. The very fact they can relate to idiots means they're prone to some level of idiot behavior. Being the top crab in the bucket doesn't really mean much in the end.
i went to number 1 selective school in white country
118 iq will allow you to apply late and skip the waiting list
i dont believe there was a single person with 140+ IQ
i honestly think people who claim 140+ iq just took the test a bunch of times
IQ values are balanced meaning the test is always adjusted so that 100iq = ~50% of the population (median). 140+ iq will always be around .7% of the population, no matter how many you think there are.
What an embarrassing thing to type. No amount of success at visual puzzles will make you less of a social moron I'm afraid.
Passenger, Stella Maris, Blood Meridian,
What part of the word "character" did you fail to understand?
Thanks for dressing up, Cormac.
bait
Sam Spade in Maltese Falcon.
But I appreciate the characters that are behind the curve more often than not. Flaws make the man. Another example of an intelligent character would be Noah Cross, who even has his own shortcomings but still wins because of how many strings he can pull ahead of Gittes in Chinatown.
Anton Sugar
Rorschach
Ozymandias
Dr. Manhattan
Ozymandius.
Yoda.
Hallbrand.
>Halbrand
Based. The head writer studied the 48 Laws of Power and was advised from Bezos himself how to write someone smarter than everyone in the room subtly. Only thing the show did right.
Rust Cohle
Clarice Starling and Hannibal
Hans Landa
>Rust Cohle
Come on now
NTA but the misanthropic schizoid part seems accurate
Dr. House
house is an entertaining smart person, but still a morons interpretation of it where he can hear one random word in a sentence and triggers some systemic breakdown of a complex case and triggers his revelation. thats not how it works like finding someone mentioning how your jacket is nice and remembering your keys were left on the table when you changed. thats not the way smart people think. but house is entertaining as a smart character compared to many others, especially in the earlier seasons. they cover up the moronic writing/thought processes with his anger/pain management that you can forgive a lot too. today house would be like the moronic sherlock doing autism moving hands in face tier behavior.
Gandalf
>Name one single character whose defining trait is his intelligence that feels like it was written by someone who understands how smart people think.
Me.
It's getting harder to hide that I'm a woman on Cinemaphile
Probably Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock Holmes
I liked the characters in Primer, because they didn't have to dumb anything down with each other and when they argued it was about the ethics and dangers of time travel.
Primer was good because it didn't overstay its welcome and respected the audience. Just wish the audio was better because I couldn't hear shit and had to watch the movie like three times
Yeah but that kind of audio is expected with just a budget of 7k.
i guess every character in aaron sorkins shows
aaron sorkin is the biggest moron on earth
Glasses guy in 12 Angry Men
The problem with making "smart" characters in a movie is that all smart people are introverts by default, there's no way around that fact. When they attempt to make a quirky loveable smart person who is a socialite, they always fail. The only smart characters that are believable are usually psychpaths/sociopaths.
That's bullshit. There's all sorts of smart people.
>there's all sorts of people that I think ate smart
FTFY
I was tested in 7th grade and had an IQ of 148. I know two people, now PhD holders in STEM fields, smarter than me. They were social.
My brother is like 130 IQ minimum, but he's really stupid socially.
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Bazinga Guy from Bazinga Show
you must not be familiar with the work of john milius
this thread is like a midwit flytrap. literally so many posts of morons arguing about iq and thinking "smart people" are wizards who hide from society and are master manipulators/le sociopaths and are knowledgeable in every area. The only common trait you could maybe draw between all the different notions of a smart person is the ability to move through the world using logic and reason as opposed to innate feelings/social pressure. i agree with a few here who pointed out that despite being geniuses at first glance, many "smart" characters fail this category (like sherlock, whose decision making process only gives the illusion of being logic and deduction based, falling apart on closer inspection). a maths phd with a fields medal is a smart person in maths but it doesn't follow that they'll have smart political opinions, knowledge about behavioral science, etc. Smart people specialize and know they're specialists. smart people are not gods, they worked hard and had a bit of luck. but besides that, truly being "smart" is not being a trivia machine, a pro chess player or a sarcastic introvert who despises le sheep of society. one is pretending to be smart, falling apart at any deeper questioning of topics you claim to be knowledgeable on, the other is just playing a board game every day from childhood, and the last one is a socially inept loser who needs justification for why they can't function in a convo with another person standing infront of them
>The only common trait you could maybe draw between all the different notions of a smart person is the ability to move through the world using logic and reason as opposed to innate feelings/social pressure.
nah. Smartness doesn't make you less likely to believe bullshit, it actually makes people better at justifying unreasonable beliefs.
well then your beliefs must be very reasonable.
200 iq zinger
This is true. Humans in general aren't rational, they're rationalizers.
I can't wait for this homosexual planet to burn
>muh rationality
midwit concept
>saggy breasts
>bony hips
>dogfaced
terrible taste in prostitutes
I picked a random image
whoa homie, do you really expect me to read all that shit
Yappaholic
The professor from Rope is the first to come to my mind
Truly smart people usually aren't the ones that are fully convinced of an ideology or opinion, but they constantly allow themselves to be vulnerable to doubt into their beliefs and thinking. Probably the only useful insight I got from university to be honest
Sounds like enlightened centrist cope
When I think about philosophers/historians/professors that I truly consider smart, they fit the description, don't know if that makes them centrist
L from Death Note seemed pretty sly.
Doctor Mabuse
Yoshii
For me its stupid people written by smart people
>does everything off screen
VM Varga
Not even an actual person, let alone a smart one.
Taylor Swift
L and Kira.
francis urquhart
I know this isn't Cinemaphile, but L from Death Note.
I hope the merit of his intelligence is enough to fit into the discussion.
I'd say the opposite. Remember: He was sure Light was Kira and still kept in close contact. You could spin it as "he was desperate for equals" but then it turns out he has an orphanage of smart kids on-hand for this shit.
Pic related from Double indemnity, can't remember his name.
Impossible.
Characters, be they in films, books, or video games, are defined by what they say and what they do. It's really the only reasonable way to convey a "character".
Actually smart people spend most of their time thinking and planning, and if they talk about their idea's they do it in a precise and long winded way. Neither of these things are entertaining.
Fundamentally, entertainment has to appeal to stupidity.
Fictional intelligence is just magic powers
You're a grown man who lives with his mom. You're not smart and never will be.
I have genuinely no idea what you two are angry at.
I'm just lazy
>le writers can't writer characters smarter than themselves!
What an original, novel observation. You must be very smart.
chrollo lucilfer
meruem
hisoka morow
kurapika kurta
Any of the smart characters from breaking bad/bcs
Gandalf
IQ obsession is the same as muscle mass obsession, it's both prideful in the same way.
Also in the sense of neither being representative of what skills you can actually perform with your body and mind
IQgays are the worst. At least lifters have discipline and work towards a goal. IQgays just lie and say they're a genius or near genius and then just kvetch about lower IQs endlessly. Everyone on Cinemaphile is minimum 140 IQ it really is funny.
Always a good time to post in IQ midwit threads
I've noticed NPCs are basically like this. They literally don't have imaginations or anything
Thanks for sharing.
>nazi computers
A bit unfair to expect them to not know labtops werent available back then, they likely believed you implied that they were there. Not to mention getting yelled at everytime they pointed out that was a trick question for most of their lives....
And sarcasm is a thing
Wow, that's a good point, I bet no one involved thought of that or did anything about it.
They rarely do. Especially in those gatchs video street interviews with people who just could not give less of a shit.
These two
agreed
"You know we grew up taught to believe that everyone's equal. That you are no better than anyone else – Of course that's a lie. Some are better than others. And there are those who recognize what makes them better and are able to exploit that to succeed."
That fukkin cat
how would I know what a smart person thinks like?
Judge Holden
Malcolm from Malcolm in the Middle
Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory
autistic blackface
Top lel
Irl Sheldon’s actor is gay, which is a form of autism.
I'd argue most intelligent characters written by Michael Crichton or Tom Clancy. Your Ian Malcolms, Dr Grants, John Clarks, etc.
>tfw no Rainbow Six movie starring Dafoe and Cruz
Tom Clancy is a fricking moron, Cletus
probably true, but it is funny when its in reverse. abby from ncis was actually in mid progress of doing a masters degree in criminal science before getting into acting. it could be bullshit, but apparently that whole segment with her and mcgee talking about computers and videogames and making some massive, glaring errors in terminology and such was actually just them shitposting tv script style. if thats true, who knows, but its kinda funny if its real.
Sure, where is that webm of her jumping in with other people all using different parts of the same keyboard to stop a hacker?
all of Nolan's leading roles
checkmate gayot
All "smart" OPs are written by stupid people. Name one single OP whose defining trait is his intelligence that feels like it was written by someone who understands how smart people think.
>Name one single OP whose defining trait is his intelligence that feels like it was written by someone who understands how smart people think.
Jimmy Neutron.
So, how do smart people think?
smartishly
you can say the same about all men and male-female relationships in films. Most men are betamales and all characters are shown as betamales in almost all media.
Sherlock Holmes
Doc Brown and Rust Cohle
If you write shows with characters smart people can identify with, then there goes 80% of your audience.
Saxifrage Russell and Ann Clayborne from the mars trilogy
CIA guy from Burn After Reading, and some other Coen Brother characters.
Oppenheimer. Obviously Nolan isn’t “smart” in terms of physics knowledge but they’re both of high intelligence, pretty much every scientist in that movie was insecure and incredibly sensitive from one thing or another. If a character was cold or unfeeling in one situation there’s usually a reason given which is that it’s usually a matter of hurt feelings.