Altering Marvel (616) Superheroes

I have a task for you, /toon/. I want you to pick 6 different superheroes (heroes or antiheroes, but not people that are usually the enemy, like Norman, Skull, Thanos or Doom) and change them permanently, in different ways. Select 1 way for 1 of each of the 6 you will choose.

1.Permanent erasure. Character never gets brought up again. No in story mention as to why. No one misses them, no one looks for them. Whatever relevance they had to other characters' characterization gets ignored forever.
2.Killed off for good. Self explanatory. Will happen in story, but nothing major like death of Superman. They get killed and the world moves on.
3.Reduced to tiny background character. Frogman levels of tiny. Might show up in an odd team book as a tertiary character, but that's it.
4.Tonal shift. Did they have happy, easy going adventures? They become grim. Did they have serious stories? They become a joke. Their competence also changes.
5. Essence shift. What they were (human, inhuman, mutant, eternal, etc) changes for good. Where they belong changes. Their sexuality could also change. Even their race, or sex if you feel like it. Total revamp.
6.Permanently turned into a villain. And not the "I did what I had to do" edgy antihero villain type. The type the good guys are supposed to beat up for the audience to cheer.

Choose your 6 superheroes and 1 distinct fate for each. Change 616 forever. I'm counting on you.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >erase nobody because it goes against my fundamental philosophy that any character can become great with the right writer.
    >kill Quire
    >reduce the role of Xemnu so that he always feels like a cryptid and induces more fear
    >change Teresa Parker into a detective story character, because I think there’s a lot of potential in the mystery of why she and Peter were separated and it would be fun to have a Parker ally investigating the villains further.
    >OMD is erased and Spider-Man is now permanently married to MJ and is Spider-Dad to Mayday
    >alternatively if I can’t do Spider-Man dad then I’ll replace living laser with his armored adventures counterpart
    >finally I think the current Kitty Pryde should have an existential crisis about everyone on Krakoa being a clone and go villain. I’m fine with the “original” returning as good through cloning, but this one should always remind us that all the original X-Men are dead, and everyone there today is a copy

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. America Chavez
    2. Miles Morales
    3. She-Hulk
    4. Hulk so he has an actual happy ending that lasts & not just constant tragedy. Alternatively would've picked Spider-man.
    5. Nightcrawler. No longer a mutant & born in Japan. Believed to have been a demonic oni haunting a temple as a child. When the monks couldn't get rid of him, they sent for a christian priest to exorcise him. Only for him to raise him in secret in Japan. Grows up to become a vigilante being a menace for Yakuza criminal empires
    6. Charles Xavier. Krakoa resurrection is now confirmed cloning. All the mutants who've died & resurrected are soulless copies with false memories.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a pretty good Nightcrawler idea. I've always felt Shinto mythology and stuff has been totally slept on in Marvel. Hell, there are barely a dozen Japanese characters I can think of. We have Hercules and Thor, why can't we have Susano and Amaterasu

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah Japan is pretty underutilized in marvel. Not that I'd really want them to do something in modern comics. It'd become a soapbox about how problematic anime is or how sexist japanese society is for not having women work back breaking slave labor office jobs too.
        Though it is honestly surprising they didn't revive Big Hero 6 after the movie came out. They love to do that synergy shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah Japan is pretty underutilized in marvel. Not that I'd really want them to do something in modern comics. It'd become a soapbox about how problematic anime is or how sexist japanese society is for not having women work back breaking slave labor office jobs too.
      Though it is honestly surprising they didn't revive Big Hero 6 after the movie came out. They love to do that synergy shit.

      1 Seconding America Chavez. No point other that pandering and her power set is cool but somebody interesting should have it and actually do multiverse stuff.

      2 Red Hulk/ Thunderbolt Ross. Just let him stay dead. He's got the heart condition and he can't be Rull anymore. Retire him.

      3 Who the fuck is Jocasta?

      4 Tony. I want a wacky super science Iron Man serious that toes the line of power-armored loony tunes. He's been too serious for too long. Play up just how bad Ghost smells

      5 Take Carol and tamp up her Kree(or whatever it is) heritage and have her be some kind of sleeper agent where facist cunt Carol is actually her Kree Mr. hyde coming out. Put her in space and leave her there.

      6 x23. I want Laura to be become a dissociated murder zombie. Maybe work in some kind of Daken redemption , at least to antihero. He's underused and Laura is overused because tits

      not required

      Honesty a really cool Nightcrawler idea and weirdly I actually had an idea involving him being an Oni with an x-gene like a day ago too, with Azazel being the first Oni to mutate and possibly having modified himself

      I only disagree on America Chavez being removed because I had a delightfully evil idea for a story of her and Nightcrawler both getting locked up in a lab and tested on by an evil scientist working on interdimensional portal technology. Kurt is mostly fine because the X-men have already been through similar situations a lot before. But America? After the first couple days she starts to break down. The mask of bravado and political correctness shattering to give way to the scared child underneath as she panics at the seemingly hopeless situation and cries about how she doesn’t want to die

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's pretty fucked, anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I also had an idea for a dream sequence inspired by pic related with America talking to a version of herself made out of shattered stars

          >great, this stupid dream again
          >is it stupid America… do you feel stupid?
          >shut up
          >you never had a chance to go to school
          >shut up
          >does it make you insecure? Knowing you were robbed of the experience? Or maybe it reminds you that our parents are gone
          >I thought I told you to shut up!
          >but I am you America… do you wish to stop thinking?
          >…
          >to stop thinking is to die. We don’t want to die do we? Do we really hate ourselves that much?
          >go away…
          >why do you keep hitting on Kate America? You know she doesn’t like girls.
          >…
          >maybe you just need it out if your system? Or maybe it’s easier to fantasize about someone that you can never be with? Is that right?
          >it’s not like that
          >it is though? Isn’t it. You can never keep a girlfriend because you are afraid to love. You can never keep a friend because you are afraid to lose. Why are you trying to drive Kate away America?
          >… bitch?
          >calling yourself a bitch? When did you get so mean? You were never this mean in the Utopian Parallel. Nobody was this mean. Is it because you are scared?
          >I’m not mean, I’m tough.
          >are you tough. Is that why you stopped wearing dresses? Is that why you don’t smile anymore? Even though you love doing both? Is that why you are always holding back your tears?
          >eeeeegghhh! I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO SHUT UP YOU STUPID FUCKING BITCH! ALL YOU EVER DO IS SHOW UP AND MAKE THESE STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT HOW I’M WEAK OR I’M SCARED! WELL I’M NOT! AND I’M NOT CRYING BECAUSE THERE’S NOTHING TO CRY ABOUT!
          >America…
          The shattered reflection grows in size before her, until America is small enough to fit inside its palm
          >you are a crybaby
          America Chavez wakes up in tears

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hate America Chavez too but anon this feels really personal.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I think I personally like America Chavez, because as soon as I watched Marvel rising, I realized what marvel didn’t and realized how they’ve been using her wrong. Because America Chavez is one of the most depressing characters Marvel has ever created.

              Imagine being alone… completely alone in the multiverse. Nobody has the same experiences as you, your parents are gone, you can’t keep a stable job or relationship, and your culture? Well it’s one of a kind so you’ll only ever find a substitute.
              Now imagine on top of that, finding out that your world was created by a teenager as a joke and your entire religion is a lie.

              America Chavez is depressing because in the grand scheme of things, she’s a cosmic mistake stuck in a world where the only way to make friends is to risk her life daily, after a lifetime of running from danger…
              And Marvel never explores this

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dude I got nothin i cant pick someone for this tier
    >fuck it kill elektra again but in a cool way, dont let her get daredevil ultimatum'd
    >jane foster, she doesnt really do much nowadays anyway I think so eh
    >GOTG. essentially I want it so quill can be voiced by master chief and have it fit the character again
    >make miles morales a mutant. this would explain the electric/invisibility powers better than "oh it was a different spider" or however they brushed it off, if they even did(also give him organic webs because why not). I think itd be neat to have him split his time between his standard new york shenanigans and krakoa stuff, especially since itd give a consistent in-universe outsider perspective on how actually fuckin weird krakoa is. also bring in jimmy hudson so he and miles can do Ultimate shit
    >and yanno what? super fuck it, make thor a villain, replace his avengers spot with beta ray bill. my homeboy bill deserves it

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Roderick Kingsley/Hobgoblin in general. He adds unnecessary complication to the whole Goblin shtick, I've never seen him used in a compelling way, so fuck'em.
    2. Thanos. He's had enough stories, keeping him as some big horrific villain in the back pocket gets old as fuck. Hell, let Starlin write one more in-continuity story where he dies and is reunited with Lady Death, just specify no omnipotence horseshit.
    3. Amadeus Cho. Keep him on that Agents of Atlas team Greg Pak was doing, but make him not as important as those other characters that have been introduced. I liked White Fox and the other South Korean superheroes, use them more.
    4. Hank Pym. He breaks free of the Pymtron stuff, goes through therapy to combat the horrific PTSD from the merge, comes out genuinely better and without some fucked up worldview. Starts to hang out with Janet again and finds out about Hope Pym, but both of them become more sequestered from the larger MU. Honestly, I'd do some MCU synergy, have them get cut off in the Quantum Realm or somewhere else where time flows differently, have them hook back up, go through a bunch of science adventures together, and aged to their late 40s/early 50s by the time they rejoin the mainline universe. He functions once again as a mentor type to the next generation like Hope, but with far less baggage and mental instability.
    5. Quicksilver. I'd make him back into a Mutant, but specify that Wanda still isn't. She stays on the magic side of the Marvel universe, Quicksilver gets inserted back into the mutant side to give him more shit to do. Put him on X-Force, make him call out Hank as a huge asshole and then get called out for his own hypocrisy. He should be butting heads with practically everyone but is on great terms with like, Daken or Quire or someone who's used to being known as an upstart cunt.
    6. Ganke. I mostly think it'd be funny. But make him like Doctor Octopus's protégé, give him his own related shtick and let Miles deal with the angst.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When I said altering heroes, I meant altering heroes. Not Thanos and Red Skull.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Winter Soldier. Bye, you wangsty self insert.
    2. Frank Castle. Wah, wah, murderedge. Boring. Die.
    3. Clint Barton. You've spent a decade being a wuss simp. You're on probation.
    4. Carol Danvers. Time to be joke failure and get smacked around a lot for laughs.
    5. Kitty Pryde. No longer a mutant, out of the cool club. And probably not even gnomish. Turns out your parents were wasps. Killed by Mosad.
    6. Jean Gray. Full stepford chick "I'll be a good student for dr xavier and a good cheerleader for mutants and a good wife for cyclops forever and ever and anyone who disrupts my happy time will be punished".

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1 Seconding America Chavez. No point other that pandering and her power set is cool but somebody interesting should have it and actually do multiverse stuff.

    2 Red Hulk/ Thunderbolt Ross. Just let him stay dead. He's got the heart condition and he can't be Rull anymore. Retire him.

    3 Who the fuck is Jocasta?

    4 Tony. I want a wacky super science Iron Man serious that toes the line of power-armored loony tunes. He's been too serious for too long. Play up just how bad Ghost smells

    5 Take Carol and tamp up her Kree(or whatever it is) heritage and have her be some kind of sleeper agent where facist cunt Carol is actually her Kree Mr. hyde coming out. Put her in space and leave her there.

    6 x23. I want Laura to be become a dissociated murder zombie. Maybe work in some kind of Daken redemption , at least to antihero. He's underused and Laura is overused because tits

    not required

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Miles Morales
    2. Spider-gwen
    3. America Chavez
    4. Fantastic Four
    5. Cyclops
    6. Carol Danvers

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Ben Reilly. In an attempt to reclaim his lost memories and redeem himself, Ben accidentally erased himself from existence while saving Peter Parker in the process.
    2. Hulk. Bruce Banner's corpse is founded. Cause of death is unknown. The world gossip about it for a few weeks before eventually continuing on with their lives.
    3. Aquarian. Wundarr will now have more appearances than what is considered norm for him. Wundarr is usually be seen in the background assisting the heroes, or protecting civilians and helping them escape.
    4. Miles Morales. He becomes an anti-hero that murders villains that have murdered innocent people. Miles's parents have been murder by a new villain that decided to become his arch-nemesis. Miles retaliate by murdering the new villain after he have surrendered.
    5. Punisher. Frank is revealed to be a mutant with the powers of longevity, regenerative-healing factor, peak human condition comparable to a super soldier, immunity to telepathic manipulation, and the ability to avoid x-gene detection from technology. Mutants with the ability to detect mutants would be capable of detecting Frank's x-gene. Mutants that require technology to help them detect mutants would be incapable of detecting Frank's x-gene. The X-men failed to recruit Frank.
    6. Riri Willaims. Tried of living in Iron-man's shadow and being mistaken for War Machine, Riri realize that something needed to change. She eventually decided to become a villain. Riri is now mistaken for either Iron Monger or Crimson Dynamo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Riri Willaims. Tried of living in Iron-man's shadow and being mistaken for War Machine, Riri realize that something needed to change. She eventually decided to become a villain. Riri is now mistaken for either Iron Monger or Crimson Dynamo.
      Throw in a rivalry with Harley Keener as Iron Lad… or a cooler name, and I’m sold

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. It's hard to pick from all the lame failed replacement characters so I'm just not going to. BUT if you put a gun to my head I might just say America Chavez. (even if I'm not 100% on board with that)
    2. Punisher. He dies. He doesn't come back. He just goes out in a blaze of glory and is just gone. His death may inspire someone else to rise up but he is just gone and pretty much nobody knows.
    3. Kitty Pryde is now just a footnote and Bendis dies.
    4. Spider-Man actually gets to grow the fuck up and have a wife and family (with Gwen who survived her fall but is now disabled) and just be down to earth street level hero while dealing with his shit hand in life instead of trying to make him into a relatable nerd.
    5. Black Panther is now permanently Shuri because I have a kink for black women. T'Challa is still the king and Black Panther is a protector figure for nobility that is chosen by who is more worthy or whatever to wear the special panther cowl. The stories are more about international intrigue mixed with african themes and mysticism with an hypercompetent protag as a result. SJWs are happy and I get a sexy athletic girl in a skin-tight catsuit.
    6. Iron Heart is evil, like other anons have said.
    If I can't pick that then screw it, War Machine is evil. he already has a mean sounding name so whatever

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have a wife and family (with Gwen who survived her fall but is now disabled)
      Is... is that possible? If she can't feel or move her lower body, can she not only get pregnant but deliver a baby? There's pushing involved for a reason.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Caesareans exist.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >caesareans
          I think they're called italians nowadays. :^)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Donald Blake. Every now and then they drag the lame alter ego of Thor out and everyone goes 'oh yeah, marvel tried to copy clark kent when they made Thor, guess we're gonna have one of those aimless stories that people are going to treat like canon even though he hasn't been relevant since Thor stopped shooting mind erasing rainbows from his hammer'.

    2. Galactus. He has some stories about him being this necessary evil for balance, but he eats planets full of billions of people, and that's all he does, it's dumb no one has done anything about him. All the 'but if you kill Galactus the balance will shift' stories are dumb.

    3. The Sentry. Now isolates himself from the world of heroes because he was above it, miracleman style.

    4. Ms. Marvel, Agent of Shield. She has size changing and shape shifting powers that would be great for espionage stories.

    5. Punisher dies, kills Mephisto, becomes the devil ruler of hell obsessed with collecting criminals and punishing them forever.

    6. Beast. We been dancing around this for a while, lets just make this official. Great science villain that can throw hands, got some gravitas because he's a founding X-Man.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Galactus. He has some stories about him being this necessary evil for balance, but he eats planets full of billions of people, and that's all he does, it's dumb no one has done anything about him. All the 'but if you kill Galactus the balance will shift' stories are dumb.
      Cates did this already. Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea. Galactus being a horrifically necessary evil just works too well, otherwise he might as well be an event villain that gets taken out after everyone teams up against him.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ugh, every Galactus story is the same formula

        >An ordinary day on planet blarg
        >Oh no! Galactus is here!
        >He gonna eat the planet!
        >We resist! But Galactus too strong!
        >We reason with Galactus! But Galactus HUNGERS

        Which ending do we pick?

        >Galactus eat planet of billions, all dead, sobering caption that says 'but it was totes necessary'

        or

        >Yay! We convinced Galactus not to eat out planet with reason/violence/bargaining! We celebrate because this is good thing! Galactus leaves the planet, then goes off and eats another planet of billions, all dead, sobering caption that says 'but it was totes necessary'

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I want Galactus to be portrayed as an Angel of GOD, his armor covered in Christian, gnomish, and Muslim symbols and both he and his heralds quoting Revaluations with voices like trumpets

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1 Laura
    2 Daken
    3 Miles Morales
    4 Danny Ketch-Make Ghost Rider a comedy about a character going just too far for VENGEANCE
    5 Sasquatch is revealed to be a Wendigo
    6 Seconding Chuck.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Blue Marvel never existed. Events involving him are replaced by Ethan Edwards.
    2. Ultimate Miles Morales is killed by 616 Miles Morales who is accidentally killed by Green Goblin's falling glider.
    3. Luke Cage
    4. Riri Williams
    5. Moon Girl is revealed to be a reincarnated Isaac Newton.
    6. Bishop overcame his brainwashing, recover his memories and is evil again. He desires the murder or Hope Summers and will kill anyone that gets in his way.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Spider-Gwen (more costume than character)
    2. Carol Danvers (press F to spit on grave)
    3. Miles Morales (meh)
    4. Ghost Rider (Just give me Robbie's launch book back)
    5. America Chavez (make her a Texas born straight mutant republican who doesn't hop on the mutant unity flag and mostly fights other mutants)
    6. Cyclops (He pals around with Magneto, this is already done honestly)

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gwenpool. Wade's time in the spotlight is done and we don't need your ass anymore.
    >Red Hulk. Thad's purpose in Bruce Banner's life was so minuscule that they needed to turn him into a Hulk just to keep him around.
    >Professor X. Time to let go, Charles.
    >Starlord; specifically because he'll go back to how he was before the MCU turned him into jokey Pop-culture man.
    >Miles Morales is still Spider-Man, but he's specifically the Dimension Hopping Spider-Man and leader of the Exiles.
    >Valeria. Just truly make her Doom's successor.

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