>A battle is brewing in Gotham between the Bat and the Cat, but crime is down in Gotham City…could that be a bad thing? Spinning out of the nightmares that haunt Batman in Knight Terrors: Batman, Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War begins on August 29, 2023. The Dawn of DC crossover event takes place in Batman and Catwoman, as well as in special one-shots and a miniseries.
>A coordinated effort in Gotham City has led to a reduction in violent crime, but at what cost? Villains scatter as their lives begin to crumble under a new regime. And as Batman recovers from his epic battle through the Multiverse and the horrors of Knight Terrors, one name runs through his mind. One name at the heart of this new, safer Gotham: Catwoman.
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>A conflict that’s been brewing for well over a year finally hits the streets, and it will fracture the Bat-Family as war erupts! From bestselling writers Chip Zdarsky and Tini Howard and artists Mike Hawthorne and Adriano Di Benedetto comes the opening shot of the Gotham War in Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War - Battle Lines #1, available at comic shops on August 29! The special kickoff issue features a main cover by Jorge Jimenez, open-to-order variants by Joe Quesada and Kael Ngu, a 1:25 variant by Otto Schmidt, a 1:50 variant by Ngu, and a 1:100 inked version of Quesada’s cover.
>“From the moment Tini and I started working on these titles, we realized we had a huge opportunity to build toward something that would shake up the power structure of Gotham City,” said Batman writer Chip Zdarsky. “The Gotham War is just that: relationships explode, relationships are formed, and it all leads to massive changes! Being able to take these kinds of big swings together has been extremely exciting.”
>bestselling writers
>Tini Howard
lmfao
She destroys Catwoman, gets dumpster tier sales and gets fellated with praise and events.
This concept sounds absolutely fricking moronic. No one liked Selina becoming a mob boss before and absolutely nobody likes howard's abysmal run, so rehashing a previous arc but worse doesn't make any fricking sense. There is just no possible way to pit these two against each other at this point that is believable but I guess DC is competing with Marvel to see who can better frick over their relationships.
>rehashing a previous arc but worse doesn't make any fricking sense
bro do you even cape?
>The second part of Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War takes place in the pages of Batman #137, available at comic shops on September 5, written by Chip Zdarsky with art and main cover by Jorge Jimenez. Batman descends on Gotham City, full of rage and force, more driven than ever to save his home. But the new landscape has turned friends into foes. Can anyone stop his reign of terror? Should they? The issue will also feature open-to-order variant covers by Joe Quesada, Gabriele Dell’otto and Rose Besch. A 1:25 variant will be available from Salvador Larroca and Quesada’s cover will also be available as a 1:50 variant.
>Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War continues in Catwoman #57, written by Tini Howard with art by Nico Leon. While Batman finds himself more and more isolated, Selina is never alone. With a volunteer army and two powerful generals by her side, the ballet between her and Bruce enters its next act with a shocking twist. Catwoman #57 is available on September 19 with a main cover by David Nakayama, open-to-order variants by Jamie McKelvie and Joshua “Sway” Swaby, a 1:25 variant by Rian Gonzales, and Sway’s cover available in a 1:50 version.
>“Comics thrive on team-ups. Whether it’s a team of creators or a heroic partnership, all of my favorite stories are about two strong personalities and the space between them,” said Catwoman writer Tini Howard. “On the page, we’ve got one of comics’ greatest love stories: the world’s greatest detective and the world’s greatest criminal. And they both love Gotham City. But the course of true love never did run smooth.”
>we’ve got one of comics’ greatest love stories: the world’s greatest detective and the world’s greatest criminal
Almost none of that is true anymore. Most of it never was.
>The Gotham War will also feature the two-issue miniseries Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Red Hood from writer Matthew Rosenberg with artist Nikola Čižmešija. The Gotham War has fractured the Bat-Family in dramatic ways—none more intensely than with Jason Todd. This stunning event will forever alter the destiny of the man who wears the Red Hood! Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Red Hood #1 will be available at local comic shops on September 26.
>“I don’t want to spoil anything, but with Selina’s recent breakout from jail and Bruce’s struggles with Zur-En-Arrh, things are going to get intense in Gotham,” added Zdarsky.
>The creative team of writers Chip Zdarsky and Tini Howard and artists Mike Hawthorne and Adriano Di Benedetto will also cap off the crossover event with Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War – Scorched Earth #1, available on October 31. Details on the final issue in the Gotham War event will be released soon.
>Fans can follow the action in Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War - Battle Lines #1, Batman #137 & #138, Catwoman #57 & #58, Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Red Hood #1 & #2, and Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War – Scorched Earth #1.
>DC has more Dawn of DC news to share in the weeks ahead. Stay tuned!
>https://www.dc.com/blog/2023/05/26/an-all-out-war-between-the-bat-and-the-cat-in-batman/catwoman-the-gotham-war
Why does Jason care about this?
Because the writer says he does, they probably just want to set up a new status quo for him.
The crowbars are cool actually.
>And does Rosenberg know another story that "Jason and Bruce fight each other"?
That's Jason's whole existence.
Frick off Rosenberg
Rosenberg didn't have Jason start fighting with crowbars lol, I think it was Lobdell, and unlike the MK costume, I actually like it, it's a good non-lethal alternative for Jason for when they want him to actually hit his opponent without outright killing them, swords and guns realistically end fights quickly, so a blunt weapon that he can smack his opponents with multiple times without killing them outright is a good thing.
I don't know why people hate on Rosenberg so much. It's like people forget just how bad Jason Todd has been.
Remember Lobdell? What about Tony Daniel? Bruce Jones? Even Winick wasn't that great. Or Jason Todd being written by committee in Countdown.
Jason Todd is genuinely just a shitty character. He works best as dead robin, an immortalized lesson. Being resurrected, ironically, mortalized his legacy and reduced his individual worth.
Tim would have worked better as red hood from the beginning and now. You have the first son in dick, the dead son in Jason, the lost son in Tim and the real son in Damian.
Now they have the first, the second, the third, the fourth and the fourth makes the second and third superfluous and fans of the second and third hate the fourth and fans of the fourth hate the third and on and on and on.
>Now they have the first, the second, the third, the fourth and the fourth makes the second and third superfluous
Sounds like middle child syndrome to me.
>Tim would have worked better as red hood from the beginning and now
You don't really know Tim and are just the the that wants him to slot into a preconceived role. which is a problem Tim has a lot.
No I’m not saying that is tim, I’m saying that 30 years ago it could have been spun that way after seeing how JPV cleaned up Gotham and seeing Bruce fail over and over again he eventually darkened on his outlook.
Nobody is discussing what DC is okay with moronic. I accept your concession.
>I’m saying that 30 years ago it could have been spun that way after seeing how JPV cleaned up Gotham
Tim was basically attempting to be JPV's Jiminy cricket that entire time. I get you're going for taking his idealism and turning it on it's head..but he then becomes a fundamentally different character. I mean the whole reason he became Robin was to make Batman LESS violent.
DC has long tried to turn Red Hood into a brand in comics, such as Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl and Catwoman. But he still couldn't keep a well-selling comic book for very long (it's not like he had any good writers). So DC uses those events to try and push something. It's valid, the problem is that Rosenberg is shit, the character always falls into the hands of shitty writers.
The major problem is the character Jason Todd himself. It’s punisher for femme boys who unironically think guns should be illegal IRL and emo girls who hate daddy - or whatever the modern equivalent is.
He’s not masculine and militaristic enough to appeal to /k/gays and punishergays and yet his entire appeal is being the edgy batfam member who doesn’t follow old dumb daddy’s old dumb rules.
He either needs to become more repugnant and off putting or completely reformed and drop the monicker.
>completely reformed and drop the monicker.
Or he could just become a good Red Hood? No need to drop a perfectly fine identity.
The name invokes a villain and the color red is meant to invoke blood.
It makes no sense for him to continue with the name if he doesn’t kill people.
Not necessarily, the name can mean whatever the wearer wants it to, and to me the name sounds neutral enough for it to go either way, it's just like Little Red Riding Hood, it was originally a disguise for criminals, there's no deeper meaning that it's supposed to be blood lol, specially when that's such a common color in both heroes and villains.
It's not like he's called "Killer Hood" or "Red Murder", that's one of the names that could fit a regular hero just fine.
>the name can mean whatever the wearer wants it to
No, it quite literally cannot.
If I went around wearing a small mustache and bowl cut people would rightfully say o was trying to look like hitler and imagine I was an anti-Semite. If I wore all red and walked into a neighborhood that was known for people wearing all blue I would not expect to hear a discussion about it.
Red hood was a street name. It has a legacy. One Jason took on for a specific reason.
If some kid started running around Gotham saving lives calling himself the joker it would be moronic.
>Red hood was a street name. It has a legacy. One Jason took on for a specific reason.
He took it, and made it his own, hell, he already changed it because originally Red Hood was a straight up criminal identity, Red Hood Jason is an anti-hero.
>If some kid started running around Gotham saving lives calling himself the joker it would be moronic.
>comparing a small time criminal boss like Red Hood to the fricking Joker
Red Hood wasn't some Hitler dude, just a cover up for criminal gangs, Jason already changed its meaning and made it its own, he controls it now.
There are a bunch of Red... Good characters that don't kill. Red Arrow, Red Robin, Red Racer,
None of those were pre-established irl or in-universe as the name of a villain/patsy
Trimpe?
No, but you made it sound like the Red in Red Hood was specifically about blood, which isn't really the case, it's just red because it is red, like Red Riding Hood.
You act like legacy versions of villains can't be heroes, remember Dr. Light? And you're also forgetting that redemption doesn't always require a name change, remember Pied Piper?
Female doctor light is fricking moronic. We legit have no middle ground to find. I imagine you think there being two Thor’s, wolverines, flashes, Spider-Mans, captain America’s ect isnt moronic.
I don’t believe for a moment you buy comics and I assume you’re here to shill things.
have a nice day you massive homosexual
holy seethe
Grant Morrison's initial "let the punishment fit the crime" arc was literally the only good take on Jason had since Under the Hood finished.
I agree with this.
>teehee I said it again see mom
Take the trash out kid.
have a nice day pedo
Jason has literally no good stories.
It was terrible and Morrisongays should kill themselves.
homie, Morrison is the last person who wrote even remotely interesting Batman comic book IN YEARS. Who should I read? KIng? Fricking TYNION? Lmaoooo. Snyder had some nice ideas but dropped the ball way too hard
Excuse me?
You must have started reading comics in 2010.
Morrison
Tynion
Snyder
King
Tynion was dogshit but Snyder and king are genuinely unreadable from start to finish and if king hadn’t just done city of bane and made everyone hate catwoman tynion’s run would be more fondly remembered, OCs aside.
Kys
Literally everyone thought doctor light 2 was moronic
moronic or not, there's a precedent for villain names getting redemption through heroic legacies, Dr. Light isn't the only example.
>it doesn’t work because it’s dumb
>THERES PRCEDENT
>and that precedent is rejected as dumb
>BUT THERES PRECEDENT
Are you moronic or something?
(You) may think it's dumb and reject it with all your autistic rage, but DC has no problem with it.
>homie, Morrison is the last person who wrote even remotely interesting Batman comic book IN YEARS.
Morrison didn't write a good story about Red Hood, moron.
Seeth and cope Morrison gay.
>But he still couldn't keep a well-selling comic book for very long
Isn't like RHATO lasted a decade.
And has a webtoon now.
not because it sold well, but to keep his friend's job, when Didio and Harras were kicked, he lost his job and the comic book was canceled, and in the last 2 years before the cancellation RHATO struggled to overcome 15k
Ah yes, let's ignore how every other book Lobdell had under the tenure of his "friends" was canned or he got removed from it after just few issues
Friendship can only do so much I assume.
Yep, on Ric Grayson he was selling so bad, almost the same numbers as RHATO, that he got kicked out because Nightwing couldn't sell that bad, now Red Hood........... frick it, let it sell badly.
Lobdell is a better writer than anyone working at DC Comics right now
When a person is proud to be stupid^^
GenX and 13 , and AoA are good but he is Tini Howard tier
His worst is the same quality as Zdarsky's best.
God fricking dammit DC, why can't you drop the fricking MK costume and the goddamn crowbars?
And does Rosenberg know another story that "Jason and Bruce fight each other"?
Reeeee, stay away from my precious boy you hack
>that selina face
I'm looking at her pitpussy.
>The Gotham War has fractured the Bat-Family in dramatic ways—none more intensely than with Jason Todd. This stunning event will forever alter the destiny of the man who wears the Red Hood!
They just don't know what to do with Jason, huh?
Just give him the leather jacket and helmet back, drop the crowbars, take him out of Gotham and fire Rosenberg.
Is not that hard
And do what?
He can't kill any named villains that matter.
He can be a soldier of fortune, or go full week and become Red Ronin, or even tap into the mystical elements from the All-Caste and go hunting demons or whatever. Basically, just turn him into Dante or Dean Winchester
>drop the crowbars
Nah, keep the crowbars, they're cool.
Is fricking stupid that he goes around beating people up on the exact same way he got killed
I mean, he's already using his old identity, so he might as well make the crowbars his own too, similar to how Batman used his fear of bats, I'd say it fits.
What's wrong with the crowbars? They're just another part of his arsenal, good for when he needs to hit someone without killing them right away like a sword or a gun would do.
I've been enjoying Zdarksy's Batman but this is just making me yawn. At least it seems like it's only a month
Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War - Battle Lines #1
Batman #137 and #138
Catwoman #57 and #58
Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War - Red Hood #1 and #2
Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War - Scorched Earth #1
Great, this can be easily ignored.
does anyone like Tini Howard's Catwomen? I've at least come across people online who like her Excalibur/Captain Britain books for some godforsaken reason but were ever I go on the internet everyone agrees her Catwomen(and DC work in general) is irredeemable shit.
>Oh shit, it's been 12 months since Bat/Cat ended. Lets do a crossover!
Nobody likes anything that lady writes.
>Batman editor
Zdarsky is a fricking herb and his comics are no better than king or Snyder or tynion who were all awful.
Herb?
Thankfully /ourgirl/ is off in ghost-land learning mystical kung-fu so she doesn't have to suffer this shit.
CUUUUTE!! Cass is perfect for the manga style.
>Having a crossover event just after your title was put on pause for 2 whole months due to Knight Terrors
What were they thinking?
Sounds awful.
Who the frick cares?
Until people like Taylor and Toni Howard and Leah Williams and Tom king and on and on are fired DC won’t get better.
Make Jon Kent a kid again for gods sake and enough of these dogshit events.
have a nice day pedo
>I can’t look at kids without thinking of pedo shit so I call people who want straight white boy books to read to their kids pedos
have a nice day pedo
John isn't straight or white.
As long as the writers allow Batman to punch the cat b***h in the face, I might enjoy it even if it's shit. But they won't likely won't because they're in love with this shitty character for some reason.
This is truly the worst era of DC comics.
Nope, New 52, Post Rebirth with Bendis, and Infinite Frontier with all the 5G leftovers were all worse.
At least they tried to do something new.
Shit take. Should we defend Heroes Reborn with that too?
You b***h and moan either way.
Nah new 52 will always be the worst. Especially because it’s mostly their refusal to fully ditch it after rebirth that has led us here.
Hopefully this ends Bat/Cat after King and Howard have butchered things. But who am I kidding.
How many Wars does Gotham need
You know? I shat in him but Taylor 24/7 but I gave credits that in his +30ish issue run he only 2 was a tie in
Bruce already had Tim and Jason, is enough people to have in an event
>Batman/Catwoman: The Gotham War: Red Hood
I felt Jason and Damian would work better in world adventures like O'Neil Batman while Tim could work as Gotham detective stories and Dick in Bludhaven.
But still, Rossemberg and Chip are still buttfricking Jason , it isn't much worse than Lobdell wasn't worse but is sad.
Shut up homosexual I’ll never buy anything that dreeb writes.
>bestselling writers Chip Zdarsky and Tini Howard
I am not amused
Well that's one way to get people to read Batman & Robin that is releasing around the same time as this
It is 2017: Joker and Riddler are warring in Gotham City
It is 2019: Bane has taken over Gotham City
It is 2020: The Joker has waged war on Gotham City
It is 2022: Failsafe has taken over Gotham City
It is 2023: Batman and Catwoman will wage war in Gotham City
>It is 2021: The Magistrate has taken over Gotham City
You missed one.
Also scarecrow.
It surprise me that Dick Superman or JSA aren't dealing with huge waves of refugee in Bludhaven or their cities
They did that arc in Nightwing during No Man's Land.
At the beginning of Tynion's run, Batman mentioned that Gotham population usually increases when these mini-Crises end.
what's the justification behind that
"oh guys the 50th murder crisis with the joker and super satan happened in gotham and half the population died but it's okay to go back i'm sure the 51st won't happen"
Resilience and stubbornness, Gothamites are just built different, they don't think "oh there won't be a 51st Crisis", they think "I survived the 50th Crisis, I can survive a 51st one".
Gotham's reputation generally attracts a certain kind of people to the city, and the deaths from all these wars allows a lot of fresh meat to move in, ready for Gotham's next disaster.
Just let them frick. Jesus christ.
Accurate