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If it's so good how come I see no threads about it?
Lack of rage bait equals little discussion here. Count the number of black mermaid and twerking she-hulk threads. Andor is a surprisingly good show though. Solid writing, good directing, quality production values, actual professional grade cinematography unlike the amateurishly shot Boba and Obi-Wan shows.
Its good but its a waste of money. That competency could have been used on a star wars fleet show like legend of galactic heroes. Nobody gives a shit about recon. Plus the characters are boring and not toyetic. They should have given the director a fleet show about the chiss with no continuity so we don't know all the characters are just going to die and everything is pointless. Also if everyone was blue and aliens we wouldn't have all the dumb minority casting. Although the minorities have been pretty well acted in this show.
> It's a waste of money, they should have made a show about something no one knows about instead
The show is good not just because the showrunners are talented, but also because they pitched it and it's a story they care about. You can't just "use competency" on topics the creators don't care about - this is how we end up with all those mediocre MCU movies from talented directors.
CGI is expensive
Hiring a bunch of nobodies to run around in prop AKs with bits glued on in a forest is cheap as frick
Remember the biggest multibillion dollar entertainment company in the world has this IP as a moneymaking exercise, not because they want to make good shit
Fingers crossed this a one off and we get to the fireworks factory next episode. Or at least see the damn thing. How many episodes is this show?
12 but I heard a second season is already confirmed
Correct, and it will conclude the show and lead into Rogue One. Apparently the first season is to take place over the course of a year, and the second will cover four years of Andor in the rebellion, until his end in Rogue One.
And yes, Tony Gilroy pitched it as five seasons for five years, but it was cut down to two. It got Rome'd.
We gotta make more room for CG versions of geriatric OT characters
Source? Not that I don't believe you I just wanna read up on it.
Not him but I also found the same thing, K2S0 will also be showing up in the second season
I do wonder if KS2O will be made from that box robot
He’s already a reprogrammed security droid so I don’t think he that elaborate of a backstory
https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-andor-series-possible-3-seasons-almost-5/
https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/star-wars-andor-showrunner-addresses-original-series-length-plans/
https://www.starwars.com/news/swca-2022-20-highlights-from-lucasfilms-studio-showcase
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Thanks
>5 seasons
Wow
>it should have been about a very specific thing I want and really good and that would have made it good because it's about something i want
truly a genius visionary
Boba fett and Obi wan looked even worse than fan films on youtube, it's baffling how they could make that, advertize it, and then release it
That one scene/shot of the Grand Inquisitor walking out of his ship literally actually looks worse than a fan film. That Grand Inquisitor costume...wtf?? Like who greenlit this?
I still want answers on why Gilroy gave Andor the back story of fighting in the same battle as Han in his shitty movie just for Luthen to immediately call him out as a cook who was there for six months and bailed at the first sign of fighting. Before immediately ordering him to go do a heist like in Solo. Is Gilroy pissed they fricked up a space heist premise and is going to redo it but good?
>I still want answers on why Gilroy gave Andor the back story of fighting in the same battle as Han in his shitty movie just for Luthen to immediately call him out as a cook who was there for six months and bailed at the first sign of fighting. Before immediately ordering him to go do a heist like in Solo. Is Gilroy pissed they fricked up a space heist premise and is going to redo it but good?
It immediately made Andor respect him. Game recognizes game and Andor respected him for calling out his bullshit.
....con't
It also serves as a good way to smooth over any inconsitencies in Anor's backstory from R1 (II was in the rebellion since I was a small child) by making him an unreliable narrator.
Shows that Andor is a coward
Wonder why Luthen wants him on a critical suicide mission. Maybe Luthen wants the mission to fail?
Like why the frick did he give Andor a 50k Kyber crystal as payment in advance. It's like he WANTS him to bail
"Yeah if you do this suicide mission you'll get 200k if you survive 😉 😉
Or you know, just run with the crystal and never meet me again btw it's worth 50k enough to get you anywhere in the Galaxy where I'll never find you again 😉 ;)"
One last loyalty test? Or maybe he's much more desperate for money than he let's on. Mothma isn't coming through with the cash.
>Wonder why Luthen wants him on a critical suicide mission.
Like 95% of the missions in Star Wars are suicide missions by reasonable standards. They have been working on this for months and have what they think is a good plan. Luthen seems to think Cassian is his Bilbo Baggins, it may not be a rational decision.
>Is Gilroy pissed they fricked up a space heist premise and is going to redo it but good?
I hope so
>the number of black mermaid and twerking she-hulk threads
true and its been weeks people still seething about it by making another shulk black mermaid thread
This unfortunately, threads are built off of negative emotions and when a andor thread is made you’ll see people shitting in it and calling others who actually have a positive opinion on it disneyshills. There’s no satisfying Star Wars fans.
May because we expected the other shows with iconic characters that haven’t been seen in recent SW media to be good and well written instead of some random post-Disney character that nobody fricking cares for.
People only like this because it’s Star Wars written like Game of Thrones.
It's really not written like Game of Thrones at all though. Is that your only reference for "prestige TV"?
I bet you like the prequels.
Cause Cinemaphile is a contrarian board filled with people who can't form their own opinion on things. You'd only see threads if it was bad
Disney has given up, they can't compete with game of thrones at the top of its game, not with this garbo
Not much to complain about. It's not an easy target unlike RoP which is low hanging fruit.
It's a slow mostly character driven drama with low stakes. Not really set up for the "Wow! Did you that Skrun Bizc'unt was in the meeting? Does this mean he knew about the plan to capture Shapiro IV?" kinda of discussion that plagues extended universe. The interesting things are discussions like "Was it more Timm's fault for being jealous or Bix's fault for not telling him she was a criminal so he could only assume her shady actions was because she was cheating?"
I honestly read it as Timm trying to protect Bix because he incorrectly believed that Cassian was getting her into some shady shit, when really Bix is the one further up the food chain. Still, there was def some jealousy too.
For sure, but with theme of that arc seeming to be trying to do the right thing and it spiraling out of control, usually to violence, I took it more as on Bix. Andor tries to show two jackasses not pick on the little guy, Syril is out for a cop killer on principle, Bix tries to protect Timm by lying to him.
people only make threads to complain
>basing your opinion off of what contrarian homosexuals and shitposters on this board say
Wow, you're sad
You can't make a thread on Cinemaphile about a show made by a major studio without getting flooded by shitposters calling everyone shill
Because no one is watching it. Poisoned brand. Poisoned market.
Mandalorian sidestepped this by not being branded as star wars and keeping the connections light.
Also no one liked or wanted fett or kenobi
> Mandalorian sidestepped this by not being branded as star wars and keeping the connections light
> The Baby Yoda Show
What Show were you watching homie?
Baby Yoda was an original character.
Because the audience is very apathetic towards Star Wars, with how the brand has been mistreated. There's nothing to see here, anymore.
Disney has given up on shilling their dogshit here, it seems.
So if you're the freethinkers away from all those shills why are all your posts identical?
because they were banking on name recognition and didn't remember people wanted good stories
with andor, they had an almost nobody in terms of star wars names so they needed something to get people watching
Reminder that no SW show has come close to Genndywars
I don't care for any of Genndy's work
sorry to hear that. hopefully you grow out of your 2edgy4u phase
AWW come on. Samurai Jack was beautiful and Primal was an unexpected hit for me. Hope it gets a third season.
Blandor not being as bad as the previous two doesn't make it good.
Because it's led by people interested in telling a story instead of spooning out sloppy fanservice. Even at 4 episodes it's such a slow burn it's hard to know if it will turn out good or not, but even if it shits the bed it will be a noble failure which is more than can be said for most Star Wars material, Disney or otherwise.
If anything the tone/look and feel should server a a blueprint for any theatrical SW movies moving forward. They can add characters with a ''''''little''''' more color too them for broader appeal. ....more K2S0's but the overall tone look and feel of any Star Wars movie should be an offshoot of the Andor-verse.
Rogue One spin off, it's bound to be at least good
Imagine actually watching that shit
Imagine having no interesting opinion at all whatsoever
How exactly does one become a corpo stooge in some backwater rim? It's not because it's a family job, he's not from the region
Yeah I was wondering about that. Maybe Lt. Dipshit had big dreams of joining the ISB but couldn't hack because he is a dipshit.
I think that lines true though, he's just gonna count when what ever went down that killed his parents as when he got involved.
Probably joined the corpo on Coruscant and eventually got shipped out to one of their many shitholes to be middle management.
It doesn't have that strange, stilted awkward look and feel of Obi-Wan, there was something so odd about how many scenes in that were shot and edited.
This one feels like they have actually have a clue behind the camera and put effort into the production.
Obi Wan felt like it was filmed with a Phone cam
I really like that they jettisoned nearly everything recognizably "Star Wars". Nearly all the planets, people, outfits, ships, even droids are new designs, new places. Even now that they're showing familiar planets like Coruscant or Imperial buildings they just have a different look and feel.
This franchise is so fricking incestuous that it's refreshing just to have a new viewpoint.
Two TIE Fighters appear in this week's episode.
DROOPED.
Yeah, just flying overhead. We haven't even seen a stormtrooper yet. I'm sure there will be when they go to that base but all of the usual Star Wars stuff is heavily downplayed. They seem to be going for a very "down on the ground" approach where the movies are up in the clouds.
>offhand mention of Rakatans
now there's the kind of light fanservice I can get behind
Star Killer armor was also in Luthen's shop
Andor uses Kyle Katarn's pistol. Those are nice little Easter eggs that feel genuinely rewarding for recognizing them instead of being "REMEMBER CHEWBACCA"
Why do people cheer for yidsney stealing from the EU?
>Why do people cheer for a corporation stealing from another corporation which they bought and now own?
The absolute state of anti-shills.
The EU was discontinued to allow them maximum creative freedom and now they keep stealing from it. Defend them, shill.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Good goy.
You can't steal what you own, moron.
"Good concepts should be mined for their best qualities rather than jettisoning all of it together."
I kind of agree with this sentiment, I find it very irritating
Putting in references and drawing inspiration from the discontinued EU just makes me irritated by putting to the forefront that they know the stuff exists and know they can adapt parts of it, but choose not to for the sake of giving the writers their "creative freedom"
They could have adapted content for Kenobi or TBoBF, which could have been at least fun if not good, but for the sake of "creative freedom" they gave it to hack writers who did a shit job and made it neither good nor fun
The "nods" just remind you of what there could have been, while you're forcing down the mediocre content. You could have at least had fanservice if nothing else, but they have to remind you that the faithful Star Wars fanbase of decades isn't their target audience anymore, the Force is Female now
maybe something to do with the quake 1 logo
Shill thread?
Shill thread.
Autism?
Autism.
even if it is "good" who gives a frick about this no name character who dies at the end of that movie that was bad.
who decided he needed to be a main character of anything? why?
Why can't you just watch a show and stop being a pedantic shithead about it?
Andor isn't the main attraction about this series despite the name of the show. He almost feels like a side character too.
The more interesting characters are Mon Mothma and Luthen and their double faced games in the imperial senate. Karn who is a genuinely idealistic wagie working for the empire thinking he's doing the right thing. And the power struggles and intrigues at the Imperial Capital in Coruscant are shaping up to be interesting too. You could tell the story entirely without Andor and just make it some rando criminal and it would be the same story
Anon, Andor IS some rando criminal - that's kind of the point. This show is telling the story of how the Empire (and the Republic before it) created the conditions where a bunch of randos would be motivated to rise up in rebellion.
It's very similar to the aesthetic of Rogue One, where it shows that even a bunch of nobodies can make a difference when they're driven to it by the condition of their lives.
he's wearing Kyles jacket and has his gun, fricking cos playing homosexual, good show so far tho
Yes I know it's my point. Andor isn't anything special and he isn't supposed to be
he's got kyles pistol, they made him into a lame version of katarn, he even stole the death star plans
>lame version of something we've already seen before
Nu-Wars in a nutshell.
true, also oscar issac was basically gavin darklighter
Katarn was barely ever even a character. He was just a self-insert for Cinemaphileermin.
wtf are you talking about? he had plenty of character in both the games the comics and th novels, he was the han solo jedi, the one who refused to wear the stupid fricking robes, also trained Mara
Come on dude, he was just the cool video game protagonist.
yes he was cool, and them trying to ape him but kinda not, just rip him off is offensive, still a decent show so far
Nah. He was an ex storm trooper turned mercenary with a partner he cared about, turned Jedi who generally didn't care about esoteric stuff and just wanted to materially get things done.
He was assertive, didn't think twice about being motivated by revenge, made fun of alien accents, and even had custom attacks in JA when he grabbed you by the collar and starts punching you in the face instead of lightsaber fighting because he wanted to save you.
He had a strong personality. He stood out.
>he was Luke and Han at the same time
Got it.
Nah that's not true at all, but as a Video Game hero he IS a total Mary Sue. He wouldn't work as a film character
If you think Kyle's a Gary Sue wait until you learn about Dash Rendar. My man turned the tide at Hoth, fought off Boba Fett, killed IG-88, got in sick swoop bike battles through the streets of Mos Eisley, AND did the Deathstar core run before that hack Lando on a bigger cooler space station.
Blandor is barely a character, Kyle had his own books, not just games.
I like how fricking moronic this line of reasoning is.
>Kyle was a character because he had more than just a game, he had supplemental material!
But never cottons on to
>Andor was a character because he had more than just a movie, he had supplemental material
This show is his "book", genius.
>This show is his "book", genius.
And yet Andor's character is still a plank of wood
Andor has more depth than like 95% of Star Wars characters that have ever existed
Nice one, shill.
You gamers are pathetic. Video game content is shallow. Luckily they’re trying to make a lame ass video game avatar into a real character.
that's why they went ape shit over HALO. They were all upset that it tried to build characters and a better story rather than just projecting a reticle on the TV screen and have John run around shooting everything without running of ammo or getting killed
Emphasis there on "tried".
>Nothing matters:The Show
Sorry don’t need this in my Star Wars. Franchise already bad enough as it is.
>Everyone needs to be a super special someone for me to care
Bet you like Rey homosexual
>Nothing matters:The Show
this is bait. good job.
Andor
a n d o r
rando
So true.
>who gives a frick about this no name character who dies at the end of that movie that was bad.
If the show is good you'll end up giving a frick, even if you never care about Rogue One. I agree that we didn't need more Andor (I'd have preferred a new character, probably) but the show lives or dies on its own story.
>that was bad.
rogue one is better than the entire original trilogy and sequel trilogy combined.
It's strange how almost "meticulous" the show is about things. The pacing is slow, but it's very concerned with the small details in a way most Star Wars media isn't, including the recent TV shows, where shit just sort of happens, don't think too hard about it.
Take just the B-plot of the corpo investigating that intersected with Andor eventually. We saw the crime happen, Andor killed two security goons. But instead of it just being "some goon squad shows up later looking for him", we got:
>The supervisor talking about the case and the victims, then telling corpo guy to cover it up while he fobs off
>Corpo guy decides not to do that and goes investigating with the tech squad
>Talks to the squad leader and they're in agreement that the crime should be investigated instead of let go
>Narrow down to find Andor, but a dated photo and little info on him
>Show them on the way to the planet, prepping their mission and their parameters
>Show them landing on the planet and beginning their search
>Constant communication of the squad and orders given
>Eventually shit goes south, one of them shoots a civilian in a panic, gets his rifle taken and sent back to the ship, it's sabotaged and crashes
>Andor escapes and wipes out a bunch of the squad
>Continue showing the squad post-mission dumbstruck by how much it went South
>Show consequences as they, including the supervisor that passed it off, get fired and the installation gets absorbed by the Empire
>Corpo guy goes back home to Coruscant a disgrace
Now clearly they have a longer story going for the corpo guy so showing him is necessary, but even the Imperial B-plot they just introduced in the fourth episode, they go into detail on jurisdictions and portfolios and parameters for the different intelligence officers, it's not like Star Wars to go into the nitty gritty like this, it's something I expect from a heavier sci-fi series or realistic procedural (not cartoon schlock like CSI).
It's just baffling to have this kind of care and depth put into the story. The entire existence of this show is baffling honestly. Who asked for this? Disney knew Andor would be a hard sell, but if they knew that why did they greenlight it in the first place? They need to put in more talent and more money to sell a show people really shouldn't care about. Why? Why didn't they put this effort into other Star Wars shows? I just don't get it
Because the showrunner of this one cares about the material and has a firm idea of what he's going for with the show, which is more than just "Andor runs around to some slow action setpieces in between basic yet loud fanservice". There's an actual cast of characters, and an overarching plot going on. It's very odd to see in a Star Wars show, and yes it's odd it occurred in "the prequel about that one guy from that one prequel spin-off film", but maybe that's the best place to just make your own show, where you aren't gonna be restricted by having to set up four other shows or tie into every Star Wars film and cartoon nonstop. It's like a blank slate.
>Who asked for this?
I didn't, but I'm glad it has been good. Obi-Wan was a terrible idea executed terribly. Andor is a modest idea handled well.
Because they switched strategies after Solo.
Mando was a salvaging op for the boba fett movie that got canned after Solo flopped. They were so freaked out they changed the protagonist from boba to a new guy and hail mary'ed it.
This means it was a relativly short production time and after the success they thought "yeah, we just going to keep doing this" and along came Obi Wan which once again was a salvage op of a canned movie.
BoBF was propably also just born out of excitment with no planning or care.
Andor on the other hand was planned even before mando, they took their time with it.
>they took their time with it.
Not quite correct. Gilroy sent them the outline of what we have now a few years ago, but Disney ignored it for two years trying to do it their own way but never getting anything worth shooting (which is fricking impressive considering their standards). So they called Gilroy back to do his script.
It is beyond refreshing to see an actual military organization in Star Wars. People have ranks, orders, responsibilities. In the sequel trilogy what the frick is anyone's job? Finn and Rey are just on the ship. Poe's supposed to be the air wing commander but the movie thinks that just means 'best pilot'. Then in this show some backwater rentacop shaped like a boulder is an actual sergeant who does NCO things like give briefings, tries to help the officer be a good leader, and even turns Karns ideas into orders. Not surprised they got the director who did half of Generation Kill for 3 episodes.
It does feel like they have actually asked in the writer's room "Well how does that actually get done" instead of jumping to the end of the plot point.
It's sad to say but I'm glad I don't need to turn off my brain for Star Wars for once
Yeah, it’s very different from Mando S2 and the console specifically designed to force you to take your helmet off. “But do you need to have a registered face?” “Nope!”
Even in the Imperial briefing we saw he names out a bunch of other forces or divisions that cover other areas, like well, a real military or government. They seem to be like NSA or something, intelligence/data monitoring. It's sort of funny to consider how a sinister order from the evil wizard sitting in his throne goes down the chain down and down to eventually reach a white collar grunt sitting at a terminal somewhere getting new parameters to punch into his computer.
It's clear the showrunner and crew are actually interested in the material and have an idea they're going for, rather than just a show title a series has to somehow be made out of. Like Obi-Wan, what was that even about? I have no idea. It was just a bunch of scenes.
Girl is cute.
Because Tony Gilroy.
>Corpo officer: I want to investigate these murderers.
>Corpo boss: No, because I'm lazy.
>Imperial officer: I want to investigate this theft.
>Imperial boss: No, because frick you.
I'm starting to see why the rebels won.
I kinda like that there's about forty levels of bureaucracy everyone is operating on.
I like how imps will basically sabotage the Empire just to inhibit colleagues they view as rivals.
Most realistic depiction of the Empire so far
Why does the Empire mass arrest people seemingly for fun? Because the dipshits at Space Quantico think security is measured by arrest numbers.
Have you ever seen The Wire?
Yes, Docks was second best season behind Schools Fite me
Well I think they're going for something like that in that the division we saw is all about just raw numbers and data, very impersonal and viewing things on the ground in an abstract way.
Oh yeah, they're absolutely putting the cart before the horse. I used the example of the USAF in Nam putting out reports of how many bombs they dropped each months with out asking if they hit anything important. Eventually led to a push for just getting the numbers up. One pilot remarked he got sent to bomb a pile of coal, which accomplished nothing but making the NVA go pick up the coal and put it back in a pile.
>Corpo boss: No, because I'm lazy.
But he was right, if they just left it be they wouldn't be anally fricked by the Empire and those 4 men wouldn't have died
>Imperial officer: I want to investigate this theft.
>Imperial boss: No, because frick you.
It's not her sector
Yeah they do a good job of contrasting things. Everyone on Fenrix hates their jobs but the corpos just slag off doing anything. The workers, well even bell ringing dude clearly hates his job but he still takes pride in it, turning it into a little performance feuled by his frustration.
>4 episodes in
>nothing ever happens
It’s not better you’re just fricking moronic
>having the attention span of an ADHD addled Zoomer
Cringe
>lol Zoomer have no attention span
Paid attention to the whole fricking show and its boring as shit. Only the fourth episode is when shit actually starts happening during the last 10 minutes. They really needed to have three episodes dedicated some stereotypical Scottish cops going around chasing Andor because he killed two people.
Meanwhile you homosexuals aren’t even bringing it up a reason why is the show is actually good. Only good thing to come out of this was the Scottish cops saying shit and that’s it.
kek it actually was that post
Ok kid, time to go to school now. You're going to miss the bus.
Because unlike most Star Wars media there's actually some stuff going on under the hood. Character interactions have more than just basic plot exposition happening in them, small details are given focus and in general the writing is aiming for more complicated grey ambiguity. Compare this to how simplistic The Mandalorian is as a show (which I will grant, is intentional), or how boneheaded and slapped together The Rise of Skywalker is, just a collection of meaningless running around to shallow fanservice chunks and repeated points from earlier films.
They want to put more effort into their own shit instead of things people actually care from this franchise that keeps getting bastardized and that’s why I don’t really fricking bother caring anymore about this shit. It’s just another noir-tier heist show at this point which Cinemaphilegays will automatically deem good.
Who's "They"?
Don’t be that guy.
It's a real question. Who the frick is "They"? Tony Gilroy? Diego Luna?
The company that made this show and She Hulk happen moron.
Ok. Disney. The entire multinational conglomerate of Disney is "they".
Now explain to me whatever the frick this means
>They want to put more effort into their own shit instead of things people actually care from this franchise that keeps getting bastardized
And how is it you believe television shows are made.
There’s a bigger budget and better writing for a show about a random post-Disney character whereas Obi-wan and Boba Fett had the opposite treatment for their shows despite being two of the most popular characters in the series.
Here's the difference. They made a Boba Fett and an Obi-Wan show because they had to. They were "expected" to be made and thus they were. They made this Andor show because someone wanted to. Obi-Wan was about nothing. It just existed as a bunch of scenes filling time. The showrunner of this show, who also co-wrote Rogue One, has an idea he's going for with this show, and it is evident while watching. It's more purposeful, has a clear tone and direction.
The Mandalorian has its own tone and direction too, it's not complex in the least, in fact it's pretty deliberately simple, and an overarching plot is nearly nonexistent (whereas it's everything in Andor), more just being an episodic adventure show. People like that show, it's loaded with Star Wars fanservice and action without too much thought required. Obi-Wan and Boba Fett had no real direction or passion going on. They had no reason to exist beyond a bullet point on some marketing document. That shows in the production. But showrunners matter either way, and Andor has a fine one that knows what he's doing and clearly runs a like minded writer's room.
The same amount of money in two different pair of hands will turn out different results.
Obi and Boba were expected to be made into movies, not a 6 episode show. Disney now wants to be cheap as frick now that Disney+ exists and they know their gonna piss off fans regardless of what they had originally planned for Obi-wan and Boba Fett. Bringing back the people involved with Rouge One to make Andor then no shit it’s going to be more faithful, cause they hired people who’ve been in the movie industry for some time, as opposed to the morons within Disney sectors that are responsible most of the MCU shows.
>Character interactions have more than just basic plot exposition happening in them
Take even just the scene where Luthen brings Andor to the rebel leader. Rather than just "here you go, start the heist", there's a bunch of arguing and angles, Andor seems to just want the payoff, but what Luthen wants is a little uncertain, maybe he wants the money to fund rebellion stuff, but he's very cagey nonetheless, and also why does the rebel leader seem to not want her squad to know about Luthen and why is it important to pretend Andor was supposed to be joining them all along, rather than a last minute mercenary sub in. Etc. It's funny that this is more or less standard stuff in other shows but it's like brand new to Star Wars. Character goals and motivations that aren't simple and spelled out plainly right away.
>I'm a zoomer who fried his attention span with TikTok
Ok Zoomer
A great deal has happened actually. But there was a mere one explosion so Anon is having trouble tearing his eyes off his phone to look in the direction of the loud noises.
WOULD SECURITY LADY PEG ME?
How's the diversity in this show? Do I need a ringing bell ready?
There's black people and women in the show
It's not insane, but it's all off-Whites
hard pass for me, thanks
>Reality
>Andor
>Good
The series have only 4 episodes released, i will call this a shill thread and OP a fricking homosexual
4 good episodes. So far it's 100% good.
It's because it's current thing and you're a shill or a moron who's opnions are just distilled memes.
If you want to know what distilled memes influencing morons looks like, here you go.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/%22Reminder%20all%20nu%20wars%20is%20homosexual%20shit%22/page/1/
He's not wrong though
This guy and the word "goyslop" makes shill trannies seethe like nothing else.
No, goyslopAnon, we just think you're incredibly autistic
It him but goyslop is ancient. I heard it on TRS in like 2016
I knew after two episodes that the average Star Wars fan was not going to like this. No overt fanservice, very little "usual" Star Wars stuff, taking a slow methodical and character based approach, all things anemic to the Star Wars fan who wants just a few basic reminders of the old movies strung together with explosions or lightsabers.
is she going to come back bros?
Seems like it, she's on the main cast list, not as a guest star or whatever.
You know it to be true.
There was more soul in the scene of the bellringer banging than the entirety of TROS
True
Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Solo are literally the only good pieces of Star Wars media. Everything else is mid at best, dogshit at worst.
>Solo
I've only seen Return of the Jedi, one season of Clone Wars my room mate had on in the background and Star Wars: Podracing on the N64. Everything else is trash.
I will give Andor the credit that there’s more happening within the last four episodes than the entire season of Rings of Power.
Anyone who watches Andor after everything Disney has put out so far is quite literally mentally ill
How the FRICK do you even watch anything branded Star Wars after TLJ
What the actual frick is wrong with you
I only watched Rogue One, Solo and Andor.
Why though?
I enjoyed them.
It's simple. I just pretend the sequels don't exist.
Why does Coruscant look so much more "real" in this show than in the PT? The antiques shop, Mon Mothma's palatial apartment, the dingy lower part Karn returned to his mom's apartment in, all felt a lot more lived in than the repetitive PT places (outside of a few spots like the nightclub in AOTC).
Definitely something very physical about it, even the digital streets and buildings, they're sterile but in an intentional way instead of a "Uh, try minimalist I guess?" stumble.
Holy shit, that's soulless. And this is supposed to be the "good" show.
I know you're trying really hard to do the b***h-eating-crackers contrarian thing here, but attacking an Imperial office building as looking "soulless" is kind of a dumb criticism.
It's supposed to be "soulless" it's literally the capital of the Empire. The very definition of soullessness and brutalist bureaucracy
Am I way off or is there a little THX-1138 in some of the corp and Empire sets?
Yes? It's the soulless husk of Imperial bureaucracy imposed on a once vibrant city.
compare/contrast
That’s the point, the once bright and shiny world of coruscant during the days of the galactic republic is now dull and well imperialistic, even though the ending of ROTJ had the planet looking like how it did in the prequels but it’s probably the lighting
>we put this Louvre glass rooftops in the clearly alien looking city
No, morons, all new additions here look terribly wrong.
It looks like the soulless hub of an Imperial intelligence division. Which is what it is. My point was that it looks much more physical than the PT's rendition of Coruscant.
>My point was that it looks much more physical than the PT's rendition of Coruscant.
Well, aside from putting it down to 20 years of improvements in CGI, I'd make the case that the art direction for the prequels was supposed to evoke a sort of almost dreamlike high-water-mark in culture and design which is why designs seemed sleeker and more idealistically futuristic in the prequels than the tactile, pragmatic, more "physical feeling" lived-in universe of the OT much like how the more overdesigned, curvier and sleeker designs of cars and culture in the 50s and 60s George grew up with gave way to trends in simpler, boxier design heading into the late 70s and 80s
Having the heady halcyon days of the high republic feel almost intangible is like experiencing the past in a memory vs the cold tactile reality of the brutalism in the present reality of coruscant under the empire which is why everything feels so "physical"
Yeah, this. On that note, Lucas' love of that '60s retrofuturist aesthetic is frustratingly unacknowledged by the majority of the Star Wars audience. Book of Boba Fett was a shit show, but the number of absolute morons complaining about those scooters in that one episode was baffling. We're talking about a series of films that included a fricking American-style diner staffed by aliens and robots; this shit is quintessential Lucas. As far as Coruscant goes, I don't think it's ever looked bad on screen. I loved the establishing shots in the prequels, and I really like the more grungy, brutalist look in Andor. I'm just happy we get to see more of it under the Empire's rule; I wish we could have gotten this in RotJ.
I didn't care about the scooters. I did care about the hilariously slow and pedestrian chase sequence featuring them.
Definitely agree with that. What an embarrassing sequence. Is Rodriguez just a hack? I thought Alita was pretty good, but it's the only other thing I've watched from him. Every episode he directed for Boba was significantly worse than the others.
Maybe the Volume is no good for action scenes. If that was what was used for it. Maybe they had actual sets and I'm way off. But Obi-Wan had that same strange slow awkward feel to many of its action scenes, like the actors were running on the spot or something, or we were seeing the raw footage of takes instead of a fully edited scene.
There is definitely not a lot of space in there and mentally the actors probably subconsciously act that way
>Book of Boba Fett was a shit show, but the number of absolute morons complaining about those scooters in that one episode was baffling. We're talking about a series of films that included a fricking American-style diner staffed by aliens and robots; this shit is quintessential Lucas
Right as you are, I'll be the first to say that Dex's Diner was too on-the-nose and could have been done a little more subtly, and similar criticism for the scooters. If anything I'd say the scooters were out-of-place or inconsistent with the timeline of the show, or at least the people riding them. They should have been space-boomers nostalgic for pre-empire coruscant, not young people expressing themselves, or at least shouldn't have been on tattooine maybe, tattooine was never in the republic so wouldn't have had that core-worlds aesthetic to begin with
sick of frickin Tattooine anyway
The scooters were also clearly meant to be a nod to American Graffiti
What's the problem
And use real words, don't just greentext snark your way through life, tell us what you think
because they used more real sets, costumes and props in one episode of this than they did in the whole PT. Do not reply to prequelgays
And location shooting, way more of that. The Scottish highlands are impossible to NOT look great on film, and the starport on Coruscant is the MacLaren Center.
>soulless and cold culturally dry and rundown Empire is just Britain
Kino
The show is very....British? It feels like a BBC spy drama, with the low key locations and steady pace.
That’s why the normies here like it
Because it's good?
Cause it’s basic, like you.
The BBC spy dramas I'm talking about are not basic though, and "normies" wouldn't watch them.
I always thought "Oi it's 8 bong" was a meme but then on Andor they literally had a guy ringing a bell.
I think it's mostly British actors. I recognizd a lot of actors from Chernorbyl
There are a lot of Brit actors, but it's something about the pacing and the focus just reminds me of Brit spy dramas. TV ones specifically, not films. Like going in detail on the different divisions and offices of the organization, the low key less bombastic proceedings, a lot of emphasis on smaller character moments and lengthier dialogue. Not quite Tinker Tailor but if you've seen any of that ilk it reminds me a lot of them, only with a Star Wars skin over it.
yeh I recognise most of them, even the less known ones like the brown imperial officer who was the drug dealer in inbetweeners
>it's that time again when people begin shilling the latest SW thing
Yikes.
I wonder if this show should have been called something else. Andor is only really one character in an ensemble.
Just finished the 4th episode. Is the rebel squad leader wearing contacts? Her eyes are like electric blue. I thought it was meant to be alien looking.
nah, that's just her eyes
Impressive. Nice ass too, even in that highlands getup I noticed.
Cans and gams, too.
Oh shit she's actually hot
Why doesn't she come across that hot in the show
you can't really expect someone to look like a caked up supermodel if they've been camping in the middle of nowhere for a long time
besides, even with the tired look, she still looks great
even her baggy clothes can't hide her huge knockers
She was in GoT, she was also playing a plain sort of character dressed down there too. I guess she has that sort of face that can look glamorous done up, but can pass as pretty ordinary.
No kidding, that's some melange levels of blue
>the tittyqueen from GoT is in this
Alright time to give it a watch a guess
Who was she in Got?
The waif, the one who stabbed Arya and threw her in the canal
Oh damn you're right
I'm gonna start spamming "Sweet girl" every time she appears on screen.
She was dressed in a potato sack the whole time in that show. Why do they keep covering up a nice body?
Well since we're at bump limit, I feel this is the time to take a chance and so; here are her breasts.
Remember them when watching her in the show
And again.
Thank u 4 ur service
Your sacrifice is appreciated
Very good
ok but what about her feet
Impressive
Most impressive
>another shill thread
>Generic bland SW show is better than literall garbage cheap shit
More news at 11, Disney shill.
If you are actually asking why - they didnt try to reach high and thus didnt expose their own inferiority to the Lucas SWs.
It looks more competent techincally, was written better, but its still far from an actual Star Wars in literally every possible way.
People say its cool spy thriller, but they dont even know what good spy tv show is.
Watch Counterpart with JK Simmons to see the huge difference in quality of literally everything between it and Andor.
Andor characters are not interesting, their best shot at inspector guy is average at best, and the only actor carrying the role is Skarsgaard whose face alone is more charismatic and captivating than every other character combined.
The plot is also very simple and generic, the vibe and tone are borderline bland even if to imply that 'cold industrial' atmospehre is the one director went for. It lacks of spice Lucas SW had.
Overall its not bad show, but only because it didnt try to reach for grandeur, great storytelling, mythos exploration with a lot of epic scenes and memorable character.
It tries to tell some generic simple spy story with boring characters in the SW setting and it somewhat succeeds, while not even doing it that great.
Who's the spy
There's fomenting, sir. Pockets of fomenting.
Fermenting. My pockets are fermenting.
Fomenting.
>Verb
>fo·ment
>fomented; fomenting; foments
>to instigate or foster (discord, unrest, etc.); promote the growth or development of.
Ferment
>verb
>gerund or present participle: fermenting
/fəˈmɛnt/
1.
>(of a substance) undergo fermentation.
"the drink had fermented, turning some of the juice into alcohol"
Indubitably, but I imagine fomenting is more relevant when he's talking about signs of rebellion here and there.
He has beer in his pockets
That's for off-duty and there's no line in the corporate guidelines that forbids the brewing of alcoholic substances using one's employee uniform.
lol i thought the same thing at first, couldnt help but picture him shoveling greasy fast food wrappers in his pockets
its not, its goyslop and you will move onto the next slop and forget this one very soon
Andor is clearly better than the other garbage, but it does prove that star wars is literally just soiface nostalgia pandering. They took out the lightsabers and x wings and its just a generic espionage show
is there an in-universe reason why there's a fricking kalashnikov in the far future where everyone has literal laser weapons that can reload itself on the fly?
everything else was great, but that shit was so jarring, i couldnt get my mind to stop thinking about it
all SW guns are mock ups of real guns from ww2 or 1, using cold war guns is a break in canon which is why it stands out
i dont think its even that
even if all SW guns are WW2 mock ups, there's still plenty of modifications done to make them look different compared to their real world counterparts
when i look like at a typical stormtrooper blaster, i dont see a sterling smg, i see a stormtrooper blaster
but the AK in episode 4? they barely did shit to it to make it look different or futuristic
Because it's visual short hand for poorly equipped insurgents. The only reason it's a problem is because AKs have such a distinct profile. The OT has several stock machine guns right from the prop department. At least they did enough that you can tell they wouldn't function as rifles if you look close.
If I'm wrong and they start spraying troopers with 7.62 that's a problem even if slugthrowers are canonical.
Why would that be a problem? I imagine energy cells for blasters (or however the frick they function" are harder to come buy than bullets
In real life logic it would make perfect sense, which is why you can't do it in the show. It's the same logic as the hyperspace kamikaze in TLJ. Yes it makes sense in a hard scifi way but then you have to explain why not everyone uses the vastly superior weapon or makes hyperspace torpedos. It's still true but ya know.. don't call attention to it.
I'm glad the bog standard unmodified AK didn't just trigger my autism. Throw some plastic pipes on it at least why are the rebels being armed by the former soviet union?
They did but went too subtle to the point I had to go flipping through eastern European knock offs to make sure. The rear of the dust cover has been remolded to look more like a battery compartment. Not enough room for the bolt to travel back. One of them has a weird stainless steel knob on the back that kind of looks like a dial.
There's small character moments in this that were sorely missing from Obi-Wan
>Luthen taking a moment to silently recall his public persona's posture
>The young rebel fussing about his model of the heist location
>The bell ringer's little routine and psych up
Some are just good for slowing down and letting things simmer a moment, others just add more personal touch to characters while keeping scenes moving at a steady pace.
Agreed. It's really the little deliberate things I appreciate about this show
I like the 3 seconds of Brasso just sitting at the bar clearly wondering what the frick he just did. Calling it now, when the Empire cones to Ferix he's gonna be the guy to rally the town.
Good show but can't focus in episode 4 because of Yennefer's voice actress.She is good but contantly remind me the game lol
Who's that?
female nazi officer
Yeah, I noticed that aswell. Her vocie gives me a boner tho
>People praising a Disney product means it's good
>People shitting on a Disney product means they're just jealous that it's good
>People not talking about a Disney product at all means it's so complex that it's good
have a nice day shills
I'm a bit nervous about this turning into a show about a fricking heist.
>Kenobi looks amateurish
>Fett looks power rangers tier cheap
The bar is so low you can`t even call that an accomplishment. Still not watching Andor. Trying to make SW more "mature" is a terrible idea by design.
Why?
Rogue One was great too
The Jedi Knight games that were also more mature were also great
>Rogue One was great too
Yes?
No. Rogue one was just as shit as the Disney Rey trilogy. Not only it was an unnecessary side story but, just as most of disney products, it completely disregards the cinematographic style and tone that gave SW it`s unique identity and separate it from other generic IPs. It`s honestly no more than a forgettable piece of media with the SW name pasted on it. The only thing Disney`s done with the IP that remotely resembles SW is the first season of the Mandalorian.
You are entitled to your opinions even if they are wrong.
For me Mandalorian was a snore fest and I never got the hype.
nah Rogue One was good
>Star Wars can only be one thing
Bugger off. You can do that when it's a few movies. When it's a trillion films, shows, books, games and comics you have have some variety.
Then it should be fine because SW is just the 6 movies.
It isnt. Obi Wan and Mandalorian are the only good things Disney has produced since buying star wars
There are no aliens in the show it's strange. Guy goes to coruscant and they got like one as a background character way in the back.
The show has an interesting approach to fanservice in that it doesn't rely on it, but it slides it in there for the fans who will know it. You know, "fan service".
Example, Luthen takes off a crystal he was wearing and gives it to Andor as a deposit of sorts, he explains that it's valuable monetarily, but that it also means a lot to him personally, so even the casual viewer recognize it's a significant item. But more versed fans will recognize him saying it's a kyber crystal and was a symbol of the uprising against the Rakatans, so those fans who recognize the terms get an extra amount of significance and know it's a fine artifact. Same with the various easter eggs in his antique store, if you don't recognize any, it doesn't matter, they're just fancy looking items in his store, if you do, you'll get a kick out of em. They're not focused on at all. That sort of fan service works better than the clumsy ones where they just stop the film to look at the audience going "Eh? Eh? Remember that?".
Yeah that's how fanservice is supposed to be. Same with Cassia having the same Blaster as Kyle Katarn
Indeed, it's just a gun, narratively. But for a few fans they get a nice moment of "heh".
Dumb esl poster
That’s actually kind of cool that they mentioned the rakata empire, I think it’s the first time they’ve been mentioned outside of video games and books/comics
He's coming
One day
>the clumsy ones
Such as Chewbacca showing up to help Yoda in RotS.
That was bad indeed. It's not like the Prequels were perfect. R2 and 3PO being in the Prequels also brought more problems than the fanservice was worth
Yes, complete with him wearing the same ammo belt just to be recognizable and Yoda staring at the camera saying "Thank you....CHEWBACCA!". Or that one obnoxious shot in The Force Awakens where Finn is looking around the Falcon for whatever and takes out the training ball and holds it up to the camera for a beat.
>But more versed fans will recognize him saying it's a kyber crystal and was a symbol of the uprising against the Rakatans
He's an ex-Jedi, dipshit. You don't have to be a superfan to realize that's being telegraphed.
And here we have the prototypical Star Wars fan. Loud proclamations of familiarity.
I don't think he is but he might've had a Jedi friend
Or you know, he's an antiques dealer and has a lot of old valuable things.
So do all his antiques hold sentimental value for him, or just the ones that prove he was a Jedi?
He's not a Jedi.
Then why did he keep the kyber crystal after he dismantled his lightsaber?
I feel quite confident in predicting not a single Jedi or lightsaber ever appears on this show.
Well they are in hiding.
If the crystal is actually ages old and commemorates resistance against an alien invasion, it can't be his because in nugaycanon every Jedi gets their own super special unique crystal instead of inheriting one from someone else.
moron if he was a jedi you think he'd be recruiting random criminals and planting car bombs? Someone close to him was a jedi.
Because real Jedi hide in deserts and swamps and do nothing while the galaxy burns, right?
No he'd be stalking the streets blowing up imperial officers heads or something that takes advantage of the force instead of money laundering under the guise of a artifact curator
Actually I hope he really is just a history nerd who got radicalized by the Empire destroy things. One of the comics already had evil Indiana Jones.
It's average. But anything even remotely competent looks like a 10/10 kino masterpiece in juxtaposition to those other absolute shitshows.
Because you outsource your opinions and the shilling campaings for the other two already ended
The irony
It was made by someone who actually wanted to tell a story instead of “REMEMBER THIS!? LOOK AT THE THING YOU RECOGNIZE!!!”
I couldn't even watch the book of boba fett I gave up in the first episode it was boring as hell. Obi wan wasn't too shabby. I'm on epsisode 3 of andor and I'm enjoying it so far but the episodes are too short like 35 min some of them
The difference in quality of the script between this and Obi-Wan is mind boggling. Those Obi-Wan scripts shouldn't even have gotten a greenlight with the state of them.
>Why is it so much better than Obi Wan Kenobi and I ook of Boba Fett?
The ak-47 is annoying as frick , could they not just paint em matte black and stick a pipe on the side
and call em a E-991 Blaster
Is there good action or no
good action includes me giving a shit about what's going on also, which is subjective but yeah
There's very little action, what action there was was very deliberate and slowly set up for a couple of episodes. It's more of a spy drama, and seems to be going in three episode arcs, they set up dominos, and they fall in the third.
>spy drama
I sleep
I feel invested in what's going on, they're taking the time to establish and develop the characters more than usual in Star Wars. If you're expecting loud whizbang keys jangling it's not here.
It has very few action scenes so far (and that's a good thing)
>How did you arrive on 24 episodes for this?
>Tony Gilory: It was survival. We were in the midst of doing the first 12, and that 12 takes place over one year of [Cassian's] life. The original buy-in was we'll do five seasons of this. We got up in Scotland a year and a half ago, and we were still shooting. Diego [Luna] and I were just looking at each other going, 'We'll die, we will literally die in five years. I'll be too old. And it's just, it's too too hard to do what we're doing.'
>I think when people see all 12 episodes, they'll understand that that was impossible. But there was a panic, 'Oh my God, are we gonna be one and done? And can we put an ending on this or... ? Wow.'
>Our shooting blocks are blocks of three, so four blocks of three per season... We have directors come in and they do a block of three and we structure the writing that way, we organize it mentally, even in this first season, that's how we've done it, and I was like, 'We have four years to cover, and we have four blocks, what if we jumped one year with each block, what would that do? We've already established all of our characters, we've already set the machinery deeply in motion.' And when it sketched out, it just looked great, it really looked elegant.
>Watching anything Star Wars but the ending of the clone wars post disney buy out
lol
lel even
NPCs will keep eating shit anyways to secure it is profitable.
Calling this show "Andor" was a terrible idea, that cost them a viewerbase because nobody gives a frick about Andor.
Should have just called it "Rebellion" or something along those lines.
Disney execs are legit moronic.
Diego Luna actually said this exact thing, thought it should be called something else because it's really an ensemble Rebellion show
>n-no it’s good this time i swear!
you shills aren’t even trying
When the complaints from Star Wars fans are "it's just people talking" and "no easter eggs!" that's a good sign
What's funny is there's loads of easter eggs. They just don't notice them because they're not pointed out or they're smaller references. Even Mon Mothma's comment about the politician dinner guests that closed a planet's trading lanes is a reference to Rebels.
Tbf 90 percent of that is episode 4. In the first three we get one gun and couple ships in a junkyard
>Serious script writer taking their job seriously
>British actors and directors taking their job seriously
>the thinnest coat of star wars paint possible
>the very existence of the show dunks on George for being a lazy "space opera" writer.
This thing is an enigma but i love it.
>fans demand Obi Wan show
>There is no thing to make an Obi Wan show about
>they make an Obi Wan show about nothing
>Make a show about a literal who character
>Can make it whatever you want
>Fans don't watch it because it's not about the same five characters on a loop
The main problem is the original fan base of genx/millenials who consoomed all the good EU content games/books etc got burnt by Yidney 40 times now so by the time this comes out they've already sworn off star wars except for a few bored people like us.
Let's be honest, that sect of manchildren would never like a show like this regardless, they watch for lightsabers and loud in your face references
I can't blame them. Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me, fool me 5 times and I'm honestly a fricking moron.
But after all I never stopped hoping for a good Star Wars show and we actually got one and now nobody watches it. Sad.
>There is no thing to make an Obi Wan show about
>Kennedy: "Oh woe is me, there is just no source material so all our scripts and plots are fricking trash, boo-hoo!"
The best they could've done would've been to make an introspective 40 minute short film. But we really didn't need more Obi-Wan and I have no idea what people were wanting from it.
Pretty hilarious how EUgays have to pretend the Scholastic Book Club was producing quality material.