So let me get this straight ... you got to one of these channels like Cartoonnetwork or Disney and you pitch them your idea and if they don't accept they just steal your idea and lock it away in a vault for nobody to use?
and and even if they accepted they simply accept any unfleshed idea without even a finished script and they go "lol let's waste 5 million dollars on 20 episodes, yep."
and somehow this is a perfectly acceptable standard which nobody finds unacceptable for both parties involved?
Shall I even bother going into the details about how moronic it is to expect to make money out of a cartoon show you give out for free to people to watch?
Yeah, it's really fricking stupid. But the frick else you gonna do?
Spit them in the mouth and whip them till they stop like a responsible government/adult?
You mean sued by the company who picked up the idea initially like Juniper Lee Vs American Dragon. Since when do poorgay artists ever have the money and power to sue and win?
>Since when do poorgay artists ever have the money and power to sue and win?
In America, a lawyer will take any case no matter how impossible, and companies will often go scorched earth to get rid of a problem even if they win. Its really not worth the hassle.
Look at the Ken Penders Sonic case.
>and somehow this is a perfectly acceptable standard which nobody finds unacceptable for both parties involved?
Yes, this is pretty standard with any solicited idea. Nothing exists in a vacuum so if an exec suggests a change based on another pitch they heard but didn't pick up, they don't want to get sued by the person who pitched the initial idea.
YouTube exists, why can't most animators can group up and shove their creation into YouTube
the algorithm and ads that pay nothing?
the frick are you talking about?
YouTube doesn't pay well at all. Unless you make daily Uploads. YouTube basically killed it's cartoon scene 6-7 years ago by making watch time matter more the views for payment. It's why there was a shift to quickly made 10-min daily videos around 2016.
And an animator can't make a new 10-min animation every day. So the Algorithm leaves them in the dust.
Jazza (old time NG flash animator) did a mini documentary detailing how youtube murdered the animation scene there
link it
this is probably the video in question
Dubs of truth, Youtube itself killed indie animation and no one is smart enough to just make filler videos of them making or drawing the animations inbetween to keep the algorithm going for ads.
> no one is smart enough to just make filler videos of them making or drawing the animations inbetween to keep the algorithm going for ads.
No they dual stream it on both YouTube/twitch.
I would say animators can use their skills as a hobby (or work freelance). don't care how art people live their lives cause that's the path they choose to go.
all you have to do to circumvent this is have your animated project be targeted to coomers, furries, or furry coomers. Show promise with a decently put together pilot or first episode, then you can set up your Patreon where you drip feed content to your viewers while raking in a six figure salary
>all you have to do to circumvent this is have your animated project be targeted to coomers, furries, or furry coomers.
And then you have an 'audience' of people who beat up dogs
> six figure salary
> its enough for me to buy lamborghinis
You would have to get enough patron cash to fund your own studio.
Unless you're making shit-tier early flash type stuff, animation takes hundreds of people working full time to make. Consider that a reasonable income for a full time worker is $50k, then multiply that by all the people who would need to be working on the animation to make it broadcast quality, then consider how much you could reasonably make from youtube animation (on a channel which can't release daily) and you'll see the problem.
Are you moronic?
Animation done by a few bored highsvhoolers from newsgroups back in the day still blows a lot of the million dollar embezzlement schemes like the chip and dales movie and high guardian spice out of the water.
Animation. exists outside of the slave pens of the modern Animation factory dystopia we have going now
>bored highsvhoolers
Imagine letting children who live with their parent, who bought them all their equipment, tell working professionals how to make their money.
Anon...
Their equipment was a pc they put together from dumpster diving, a cheap mic, and a stolen copy if Macromedia flash.
Those kids made better content, cheaper, and had a larger audience.
That you have a business going doesn't mean that you are any goid or deserve to make money.
Those kids should've got a real job instead of working for free.
Frick off. That mentality is why the people you hate are making all the media you don't like.
I like modern media. I'm not a jaded b***h that hates on everything new.
Yeah you just suck dick for a living oh no wait you do it for free.
>working professionals
You mean the same whiny crybaby children who wasted 100k a year on SCAD? Except they're talentless and had to suck dick in high places and occupy HR positions to get a gig at Disney when they have no business being there?
Those le professionals? How about a bice dick shoved way down your throat, hmmn?
>SCAD anon
Frick off, moron
The dick goes down your throat, troony special eds camp.
they do and they do pretty well but the problem is only the person who uploads it gets the recognition. for example. 20 person fnaf music video animation
only the person who runs the channel is looked for when looking for animations not the 20 people.
reanimated projects fixes this. they have throw away accounts which is smart and whatever style you like you can just follow those individual. however in recent years most of them just wanna larp late 2000 newground gross random shit mostly larping egoraptor.
>egoraptor
That homosexual was never popular or well liked.
He's just the first to sell his holes to rich pieces of shit.
Even mow his owners still have his unfunny homosexual racist ass "randomly" appear in my random suggestions.
Same for hid fat loser unfunny sandpiper buttbuddy.
>racist
I had no idea Egoraptor was based.
Well he is useless a snowBlack person piece of cross dressing trash that is so unpopular that we sussed out that he was a fraud on Cinemaphile years ago.
Make money fricking around at home, make shit as part of a company that will net a small check.
They still do that moron.
Problem is that the media is mostly shit and the move away from hard media to digital has in reality murdered the media.
"kids dont play with toys" remember that line?
They do, the problem is that yhe toys all sucked and the media to shill said toys sucked. So loser out of touch suits and media types in charge of marketing aka cartoons floated thos lie to keep themselves off the chopping block
Anyway.
Piracy wasn't the problem. The problem was them overpricing their garbage and the idea people should be forced to pat for something they wouldn't watch if it was free on television. Piracy was in fact keeping most of the idiots relevant. And they knew it.
The war wasn't against people pirating their trash. Ir was against the sheer new freedom and total loss of control the media industries were faced with.
Why watch the latest Hollywood scumbag grooming session when there is a small show made by a group of people that make an interesting show and interact with the fans and believe in it right next to it
The grey market created by megaupload was the perfect way to repackage and push media. But...the owners of the media knew they were going to die of thos keeps up so.....
The us government went to another matron, broke in, and STOLE OVER 25% OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNET.
Stole it.
They do and it was lucrative fir a time.
But big media started paying youtubr to change the algorithm.
Hard to find new stuff that isn't owned it bankrolled NY the big guys or a group.
They hide your stuff
Demonitize you for nothing
Worse they'll unsubsidized you from channels that you follow
It's possible but only if you find sponsores an audience and use youtube as a free streaming platform and have a way to let people know you have new content out and ready.
Animations takes a lot of time,money and youtube doesnt favor channels that don't upload a video per week
I really hate that this schizoposter has been making sense as of late.
Yeah you lose the rights to the IP if the studio options it, so even if it gets cancelled before it airs then you can't take the idea to another studio to try again
A surprising number of artists give their OC babies away and then realise these characters and settings they've been drawing their whole lives will get them sued if they draw them anymore
This thread is mentally moronic
i fricking hate teenagers on Cinemaphile that make threads about how they have the world figured out and everyone but them just aren't as smart as they are
>boomer rambling on how there's kids on the internet ruining everything
do boomers really have boring lives and all they waste is being on here and such?
>Shall I even bother going into the details about how moronic it is to expect to make money out of a cartoon show you give out for free to people to watch?
money from cartoons is made via advertising and merchandising, maybe streaming nowadays
That is so mentally fricking moronic. That's like giving put your video game and music album for free because putting ad space or creating toys, backpacks, cereal, tattoo rights, logo rights based on your music and video game is how you make money... So so so so fricking moronic to refuse to actually sell the product at hand and simply treat it as advertising for another product.
That's like letting movies be seen for free in 3D cinemas.
Actually that would had been hilarious in the 86s to give out a monthly supply of 80s toys to kids and then have the kids' parents pay for each episode to watch, maybe even half an episode. The ad is the toy and the product is the cartoon show.
Who would pay money to see their cartoon in particular when there is so much free material out there?
When there are quite litterally better things to do?
If you had to pay for youtube then that shit would die in days.
Frick off, kid.
People still buy board games, statues/wax figurines, toys ... They still pirate the shit out of video games, music, movies... Except for MMOs, those can't be pirates.
However if everyone would have put a price tag on TV Shows be sure that 10% of morons who can't be arsed searching for a torrent or a free Netflix account would have bought it, especially back when the internet wasn't inventes neither used and would have probably took a month to download a movie.
Are you just now discovering how television works?
Zoomers are mentally moronic
So wait... that's how it works?
sorry if I'm repeating what you said, but you're telling me that if I were to pitch a cartoon at [adult swim] for example, and if they have no interest in taking the pitch, funding or greenlighting it or whatever, literally your ideas, concepts and characters suddenly no longer belong to you but are now owned by the network you pitched them to? I can't even bother to pitch the show to another company or make it on my own?
that sounds so shitty, especially if you're very passionate about the project.
Yep, exactly. Well, depends from company to company, but that's the common practice in America.
OP is a bullshitting moron
Careful who you call a moron, you're not anonymous here and I can easily find out where you live, CN executive.
I feel your pain but that OP pic is making me irrationally angry.