Dune 1984 vs Dune The Smithee Cut vs Dune 2000 vs DUNC vs games
Which one had The closest to the June book And if it's moments then list moments and designs
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ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW! Dune question
Lynch on all counts.
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Sexzplain
And why Lynch more accurate than
The Smithee Cut?
FPBP. The only two problems I see with Lynch is the voice gun and the end, it was cinematic but wrong to the lore. Still a great movie and very faithful to the book.
Fricking heeb
Also
>voice gun
What is wrong with it?
>Fricking heeb
Trips of dumbluck. In the end it rains, fricking the whole thing since Paul's power leverage is purely based on melánge, and guess what? The water kill the worms and thus the melange. Great plan.
>What is wrong with it?
It's a very lame way to shortcut the Weird Way. It reminds me of when Kamen Rider Black was aired in Brazil, they thought the mc's name was too weird for brazilians (Kotaro Minami) because japanase, so they changed. To Issamu Minami.
>It's a very lame way to shortcut the Weird Way.
Frank Herbert okayed it. Just for your interest.
And the reason it was changed was because there's no good way to visualize it and you'd just end up with ridiculous kung-fu-moves like in DUNC.
Lol. The underfunded miniseries could do it. Granted it was CGI but the effect could be done using 1980s era tech.
>The underfunded miniseries could do it.
And it didn't look any better than it does in DUNC.
>could be done using 1980s era tech
Via rotoscoping? Maybe. But it wasn't necessary, and crying about it is ridiculous.
1. Lynch
POWER GAP
POWER GAP
99999999. DUNC
999999999. Turkish Star Wars-Tier Sci-Fi
Prochnow, Chalamet, Stewart
In terms of looks?
What about Leto 2nd from Children of Dude? Is McAvoy good cast or fricking schizo?
In terms suiting the character. I like Brolin but he doesn’t do enough with the poet part of warrior-poet. McAvoy isn’t a good cast*because* he isn’t schizo enough. Leto II is pre-born and has access to all ancestral memories and prescience since childhood. He should be weirder
Lynch's Paul looks 40. Did he read the books?
It is accurate considering how fast Zoomirs are aging right Now.
Only Gen M were granted the gift of twink eternal life, ie Holland, Chalamedingdong, etc
hodge twins?
Kyle is objectively the best Paul and book autists can get fricked it’s an adaptation and in the 80s actors in their 20s always played younger. He was 24 when it was shot and the movie spans several years. Chalamanlet is completely unbelievable as a knife fighter and Villeneuve knew it because in his fight with Feyd they’re constantly shooting him from the back to disguise it’s a stuntman.
DUNC did the best with the supporting cast but Paul and Chani it would be hard to do worse casting.
1984 has a lot of problems but the Spicediver cut does a good job of cleaning it up.
you gotta be brain deficient to shill for lynch
Don't be mean, what the frick
If all the adaptions are shit in some way, then I go with Lynch. Simple as.
The real question is: You guys got a pet Black person too?
Not me.
But if I did she (ie not troon) would be much bigger than me in every fricking way. Just like any other first wife.
who gives a shit
ME SINCE I...... *CREATED THIS THREAD*
No, I mean in terms of how he supposed to look, is it wrong that McAvoy looks absolutely nothing like MCU Ross guy who plays Leto I in 2000 tv?
Also what about events? I already know that in the Book Alia is real just like in the Lynch film and show film.
Also what about Harkonnen looks? What about Emperor?What about... Colors? Design?
I love how Lynch version suit inspired Raiden suit in MGS2 but is it more accurate towards The book than other versions?!
>is it wrong that McAvoy looks absolutely nothing like MCU Ross guy who plays Leto I in 2000 tv?
He’s close enough, believably his grandson.
> Also what about Harkonnen looks? What about Emperor?What about... Colors? Design?
All the love action costumes and character designs have been pretty lame. That’s one thing where Star Wars mobs them out of existence
Yeah, but which one is more accurate towards book design descriptions?
Dune 2021. Why are you asking me? Just look at the books yourself
I am currently hacking Godot game and can't look into Dune books!
>He hang up on me
Wait I thought the ESL's loved Snyder?
Only Snyder really loves Snyder.
But many manchildren love the idea of Snyder. The abstract concept.
I personally don't like his films, but I respect the man for going on the Geeks&Gamers charity stream and calling that G&G guy out for being a racist to his face.
Miniseries gets the most right.
Did Paul have short or long hair? In book I mean
>Which one had The closest to the June book
The closest what?
To the book
"to the book" is not a thing that you can have.
OP wrote "Which has the closest X to the June book", but omitted X.
Omitted because I generally asked.
It's like if asked towards which particular Superman version the X live action or cartoon adaptation is close, I would fail immediately because any adaptation only has certain moments, sometimes 180° opposite to the original meaning like Action Comics #1 cover references, only Zack Snyder and maybe some cartoon did actual 1:1 towards the meaning, at the same time only Returns and Superman & Lois did 1:1 to the surface aesthetic of it. Not to mention that Action Comics #1 Superman has more in common with Viltrumites from Invincible than with most other Superman versions. In terms of power explanation role, which essentially plays into the Why of the character and into context of what character can and can't do.
>Omitted because I generally asked.
That's not how the English langauge works. You have to put something there, otherwise the whole sentence makes no sense.
Villeneuve looks better and is a better movie
But I still feel that Villenuve's movies lack a certain liveliness to them
That Lynch's has
Villenuve's universe seems like it would be absolutely terrible to live in
Horrors beyond comprehension
What about 2000 version or you didn't watch it ,gentleman?
Better designs than Villeneuve but really hampered by the Syfy channel budget
I dunno I think their effects were alright
Muh bad then, I am really sorry for giving you IV huinstead of ID. Philosophically.
>Villeneuve looks better and is a better movie
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. DUNC looks like shit and is an utter failure in many aspects of filmmaking. The only thing that went wrong for Lynch's Dune was the editing, and even then it had a better narrative flow than DUNC.
>Well achtually the current thing sucks
Frick off
Sorry, but in this case it does.
DUNC is terrbile.
You aren't capable of an opinion past shitting on the current thing
There are lots of "current things" I like, brainlet.
Why am I not allowed to dislike any current things, even when they're total crap?
Do you love every single current thing, imbecile? Because by your logic, you are not allowed to.
You're allowed to dislike current things but the way you share on my opinion made it obvious that you're incapable of thinking of anything outside of being a contrarian
>the way you share on my opinion
Oh, please. You're thinking way too highly of yourself. People don't need to read your incoherent drivel to make up their mind about things.
>being a contrarian
And here we have it: Reddit's favourite buzzword to shut down any dissenting opinions. Of course.
And to think you of all people would accuse others of not being able to form their own opinions.
>Reddit's favourite buzzword to shut down any dissenting opinions. Of course.
What the frick did you call your rant to shut down my opinion?
>your rant to shut down my opinion?
Disagreeing and calling you out on your ingorance isn't shutting down anything. It's actually the opposite: STARTING an argument. That you had every opportunity to continue by adding substance to your opinion. But you chose to throw a tantrum instead and tried to shut me down for daring to disagree with you.
Lynch has the most kino lineup with both Prochnow and Stewart. I don't have anything against Chalamet other than his jaw looking goofy, so if we could get Chalamet but with the face of whoever that guy playing lynch Paul is, it would be perfect
The miniseries is by far the closest plot, character, and theme wise
Second is probably DUNC, despite the fremen/chani getting huge changes. It's also the only one that bothered with prevalent knife fighting. Still, its a distant second
Lynch is third imo. The novel doesn't have too much visual description but this one does feel the most fitting to it. Everything else feels like it was loosely adapted from a two page synopsis
This is not a ranking of quality
>Everything else feels like it was loosely adapted from a two page synopsis
Frank Herbert disagrees.
I dont care
Lynch wins on aestetics hands down. Never read the books so frick if I can answer about anything else but Lynch's DUNC is by far the most interesting to look at
>Lynch's DUNC
Stop calling it DUNC. Only Villeneuve's is DUNC.
What do you think will happen in DUNC3 ?
All bets are off. Villeneuve has already fricked the whole story over with DUNC2. DUNC3 cannot really do Messiah without also completely changing that one. Besides, Villeneuve hates dialogue and wants to make brainless action flicks with long capeshit-tier battle sequences, just like in DUNC2. Messiah doesn't lend itself to that, so I assume he'll show a lot of the actual war? He cannot really do a timejump anyway either, because Chalamet sill looks like a little boy.
he's going to wait a few years for timmy to get older actually. the fricked up part is they're also waiting a few years and anya is going to be 80.
Older Anya is sexooo
I wish Anya would also get fatter
>he's going to wait a few years for timmy to get older
No use. He's looked the same for the past 20 years. Not gonna change within the next decade.
>anya is going to be 80.
Alia is beyond fricked anyway. Or rather, she isn't when she should be.
The events of the first book were formative experiences for her character, which cause many of her problems and inner conflicts later on. Villeneuve wrote all of them out of DUNC2 when he (probably correctly) decided that he was too incompetent to work with a child actress.
>long capeshit-tier battle
Just out of the cinema. At least three od the action sequences were boring. Frick I wish theyd rather spend the budget on actually inhabiting the sietches and time on perhaps building more behind the stilgar x jessica angle or getting to know the dream of a green arrakis better. Or more visions
And why were the fremen always out and about during daytime. Breaks immersion.
Interesting how McAvoy plays Dune's local Jesus and then in Unbreakable Split Glass trilogy he plays The Beast
Correction Dune's Jesus AND Superman.
Which is kinda same thing considering that per Siegel Superman's mom was literally called Mary Kent, but still.
2000 SciFi miniseries is the best adaptation of the books (with no budget)
Lynch movie has the best production design (and the least screentime)
Villenvue moves are the... uhhh.... most profitable...? Best acted? Ummmm
I "love" how Lynch told story in Less time than Vilnfhrurheiyeyf, but at the same time I understood much better what the frick is going on and the scope.
The changes Villenvue made to the story, especially in part 2, were bafflingly short sighted.
Alia wasn't born? So the entire events of part 1 & 2 both occur in 9 months or less?
Paul manages to go from homeless spoilt Duke's son to leader of the entire fricking universe in less than a year? How does this make anything in the story feel earned or even remotely satisfying? Where was the difficulty, the struggle, the payoff of a hard fight? He literally succeeded in everything he tried on the first attempt.
And the Harkonnens are barely characterised carboard cutout cartoon villains?
What a fricking hack.
>And the Harkonnens are barely characterised carboard cutout cartoon villains?
Agree...this was weak...not that they are well developed in the book, but a movie shouldnt be worse woth its characters...
i wonder if the thing about feyds mother was from brian's books.
No, Feyd's mother was Villeneuve. The man is such a hack.
I liked the addition
Btw i dont get why people say its a visual masterpiece. Not a single memorable shot. 2049 blows dunc 2 out of the water
>I liked the addition
>he's sooooo evil
>like, dude killed his own mother
>dude, DUDE, he never eats his veggies and sleeps when he wants!
>duuuuuuuuuuuude, he kills everyone around him just because he is LOCO
It's edgy and dumb just like Leto's Joker but for some reason people buy this shit.
Feyd from the novel is such a different character, from what we saw on screen. In the novel, he is only ever present in 4 chapters.
>The early chapter where the Baron gives a big speech on his plan.
>The arena fight, where he corners the Baron, by faking an obvious attempt on his own life
>2 years go by, and we see him again when he tries to get the Baron killed, and the Baron offers to make him emperor, but also orders him to murder his slave harem to prove a point
>And the final battle, where he duels Paul
He never strikes me as an out and out psychopath in the novel. At best he is a playboy, a gladiator, and a schemer due to the influence of his pedarast uncle. The closest he gets to being noble, is when he respects the Atreides warrior, for killing himself. And even then, he is surprised at the human mind pushing itself to commit such an act. Other times, he wants to be clever and plans stuff, but the Baron sees through him, and Thufir plays him like a fiddle. He has a short temper, and his impulsive nature makes him show his hand too early. And even though he is a great arena fighter, he always goes into a fight with a couple of dirty tricks up his sleeve. He won the fight against the atreides gladiator, by making his muscles relax with a special key phrase. And he tried to use a poison needle on Paul.
Basically, unlike the family killing (but then acting like killing family is beneath him), henchmen killing, cannibal feeding, not too clever (he had no schemes against the Baron, and the gladiator assassination attempt just was the Baron messing with him), noble demon, the novel Feyd is an impatient man, twisted by his groomer, trying his best to match him, while also using every dirty trick to make sure he doesn't fail.
That wouldn't be very kino.
If by "kino" you mean trash, like most people who use that word as a meme, then you are correct.
If, however, you're looking for a charismatic, strong and multi-faceted portrayal of said character, I recommend checking out 1984's Dune.
Not him, but yeah, Sting had that bratty, spoiled, cheater charisma to him. Sadly they skipped his arena and assassination attempt bits, so his screentime was very lacking. I would have loved more of him.
>they skipped
That's the thing about the Lynch film. You never know whether they actually skipped filming certain scenes or whether they still exist out there in some studio archive and just never made it to either of the two cuts. Particularly for the second half of the film.
I liked how when the 1984 Baron was torturing that boy, Rabban had a smug evil smile, while Feyd had this wide eyed, concerned laugh.
To be honest Feyd scenes in DUNC weren't that bad, the problem was the script. Killing random thralls and being tested with the Gom Jabbar, ffs. There are better ways to show the guy is evil, also every change from the books wil frick the sequel in some way.
I just didn't like how they both overplayed him, and toned him down. At times he is too edgy, but then again he also turned a character who is literally summed up as ''guy who schemes and always plays dirty'', into a noble guy who is above all sort of scheming or foul play.
And him surviving the Gom Jabbar is fricked, because it was Paul's BG training that was tested, and that same training saved him. The Gom Jabbar test for Feyd was such a fanfic moment. Did he just survive it because he is that badass and strong? The thing that was even being tested in the Paul scene, was if he is human enough to wield the potential KH power, combined with the BG training. If he pulled his hand back, then he would have revealed himself as someone who is impulsive and relies on base instincts. But Feyd is just that. It's such a dumb moment.
Also, I didn't care for how he just repeated what Jared Leto did in Blade Runner 2049 (he cut open a helpless replicant woman with a knife, to show that he is a psychopath with power). It's like the only way he knows how to show that a villain is evil.
>Best acted?
No.
THE TRUTH: Dune is second rate scifi pulp, barely above L.Ron Hubbard quality, only stanned by pathetic friendless 14 year old boys and immature incels, and arguing over the IP adaptations just proves the point.
But Hubbard's theories make sense actually.
The Scientology itself is most probably dogshit, but aliens that steal gold from planet Earth and dumb down population....
That's probably actually true
Once again porn people outdo them all?
THE BREAST MILK MUST FLOW
>but aliens that steal gold from planet Earth and dumb down population....
Not Aliens. Politicians.
behind the dune is the most lore accurate and the closest to herbert's vision
Has popular opinion shifted against this depiction yet? Yeah he was intimidating but he was fricking boring, he had no personality. Dunc had plenty of memorable parts but he wasn't one of them beyond his introduction
>Leto
Any of them
>Paul
Probably Chalamet, since he doesn't look like a 30 year old.
>Gurney
None of them, they're all bad.
I didn't mean only these three,
Dunc at least got Duncan Idaho right, just look at this smug motherfricker
>Climbs a wall
>Women orgasm
How does he do it?
>Dunc at least got Duncan Idaho right
Literal capeshit actor who cannot act, and was hired only because the director wanted capeshit-tier fights (and the capeshit audience).
How many fricking workers did the Harkonnens kill in this movie? At least 10 right? Why the frick would ANYONE willingly work for them when they literally off their own people for fun on a daily basis?
If you are a soviet troop, will you really tell Stalin, Beria and others that you quit because they put another troop to death? While the Harkonnens did not so casually and openly murder people in the novel, they still ruled with absolute fear and didn't treat anyone as humans.
Yes.