Because making him black would be racist for the "progressive" American audience. Same reason why many African characters in old American comics have been later recolored.
Flip was always green even in the 1910s when nobody gave a frick, he definitely wasn’t colored like that for any pc reasons, even if he was supposed to be Black. Impy the Jungle Imp was the racist caricature, and he wasn’t in the movie at all (unless you argue that Impy’s characteristics were amalgamated into one or more of the other characters).
It was made by 1989 Capcom; yes.
There is also a good arcade version.
The game is alright by NES standards (Capcom is unarguably a top 3 dev for the system), but it's probably not the overall best thing they did. I most usually see this game bought up against the claim that Yoshi was impossible on NES, although Little Nemo doesn't actually have real-time mounts, they're just transformations.
I do remember the goblin Boomps, and I was never sure if they’re based on anything from the original comic, or if they were loosely inspired by the imp, or if they were completely original.
>I do remember the goblin Boomps, and I was never sure if they’re based on anything from the original comic, or if they were loosely inspired by the imp, or if they were completely original.
I think they just look like generic Brian Froud goblins. He designed them, so that would stand to reason.
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It's basically the asian-studios-doing-western-aesthetics that was basically the foundation for western TV animation in the 80s, but done with a feature film-level budget and artistry.
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Apparently there were "pilots" for the movie, or maybe even a show that were just straight up anime.
The ones at 8:14 and 11:50 look like they would have been interesting versions to see. Not familiar with the original Nemo comics so I don't know if the airplane kid is from those comics or a new character entirely.
The first one put the most effort into trying to replicate the style of McCay's drawings as well as the weird sense of motion that was particular to his comics. 8:14 is very anime, while 11:50 is sort of a strange middleground with the detail and cuteness turned up. Can't say I care for the way characters are designed in the last one but the animation is quite impressive.
It's possible there was someone with an airplane in a few strips, but if there were I've never seen them. There were never a ton of recurring characters to start with but they may have felt safe adding a few OCs due to the anything-goes nature of the setting. In the original strips Flip seems to show up the most, and the princess and the king also show up periodically.
So basically Inspector Gadget? Because i'm pretty sure DIC hired TMS and Sunrise to animate IIRC.
Japanese-American collaborations were more common than just Gadget. Also Inspector Gadget and many TV shows contracted work all over the place so it's not quite the same thing. I'd think a better comparison would be the Hobbit.
You're thinking of The Lord of the Rings movie from the 70s, which relied heavily on live action footage and rotoscoping. The Hobbit was done by Rankin Bass (best known for Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and other holiday specials). They also made The Return of the King in collaboration with the same studio they made the Hobbit with (which incidentally was the precursor to Studio Ghibli).
Anyways, I kinda find it funny that some of the better outsourced studios of that time grew out of TMS in some manner; KK C&D, Visual '80, Telecom, WDAJ etc.
>It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration
Well that's putting it lightly.
The movie production was basically Yutaka Fujioka getting fleeced by all of Hollywood for 10 years until he ran out of money.
They scammed him really bad.
It's more likely that with less or zero US grifters involved the movie would've come out earlier and be better for it.
It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration if I'm remembering correctly.
On paper it's anime but it has a very weird western like feel to it
It's Tokyo Movie Shinsha!
It's basically the asian-studios-doing-western-aesthetics that was basically the foundation for western TV animation in the 80s, but done with a feature film-level budget and artistry.
>Anime isn't a style
It kind of is, if not all of it. "Anime" would be a mix of a certain production approach + broader cultural storytelling sensibilities + a particular visual style.
>inferring Sailor Moon's art style is a bad thing >inferring there's any other tv show that even looks remotely close to Sailor Moon in art style
For as popular as it is, only Sailor Moon looks like Sailor Moon. It had a lot of charm and character with a very airy, feminine feel to it. Naoko Takeuchi deserves better than to be insulted by westoids.
Sailor Moon feels like a billion years ago by this point. In retrospect, it's weird that anyone disliked possibly the best mash-up of shoujou and gag manga that exists.
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It blew my mind when i learned this is almost entirely absent from the manga.
What a weird ass post.
First you make the fallacy that resemblance to anime is what makes something anime.
Then you point out that that's NOT what makes something anime.
Like, actual schizo shit right here.
It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration if I'm remembering correctly.
On paper it's anime but it has a very weird western like feel to it
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It's basically the asian-studios-doing-western-aesthetics that was basically the foundation for western TV animation in the 80s, but done with a feature film-level budget and artistry.
Apparently there were "pilots" for the movie, or maybe even a show that were just straight up anime.
The ones at 8:14 and 11:50 look like they would have been interesting versions to see. Not familiar with the original Nemo comics so I don't know if the airplane kid is from those comics or a new character entirely.
>No. 2
Damn, it's so good. Yoshifumi Kondo's death was one of the biggest losses in animation. But it's obvious that he still made an impact on the final version because some of the characters still look a little like the Anne/Ghibli style.
The first one put the most effort into trying to replicate the style of McCay's drawings as well as the weird sense of motion that was particular to his comics. 8:14 is very anime, while 11:50 is sort of a strange middleground with the detail and cuteness turned up. Can't say I care for the way characters are designed in the last one but the animation is quite impressive.
It's possible there was someone with an airplane in a few strips, but if there were I've never seen them. There were never a ton of recurring characters to start with but they may have felt safe adding a few OCs due to the anything-goes nature of the setting. In the original strips Flip seems to show up the most, and the princess and the king also show up periodically.
I can't say I'm surprised, really. The source material doesn't have any major narrative or memorable characters that you could spin into a feature film.
The detriment is the fact that the comic strip is mostly just short stories about a kid's dreams, and it's only later that the strips start to go into longer stories when he gets to the palace, even though he still wakes up every morning. But it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to make a narrative due to how rich and colorful the world of Slumberland is.
I love this movie, it gives me huge nostalgia every time I watch it, especially the scene when he first arrives in Slumberland and there's all the pastel colored turn-of-the-century clown aesthetics
Why was this movie trapped in such a wild production hell? Even Miyazaki was attached to it as some point before deciding he didn't like that it takes place in a dream world.
Badly managed, it went over budget because of confusion, no one wanted to do it due to how fricked the whole production was and no one knew when or how it could be finished. That's why they decided to just cram together whatever they could that was finished by the time they were forced to air the product.
Yeah, apparently Frank and Ollie (Classic Disney) and Roger Allers (Lion King) were involved(?). It's difficult for me to find out what they did for the movie though.
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I thought Impy was in the movie. Mandela Effect?
Anon, they would not have added an old timey black person in a 1980s half-western production.
>Anon, they would not have added an old timey black person in a 1980s half-western production.
This is true. And the 80s wasn't some sort of super progressive era in the West, either.
Keep in mind, this the decade that gave us Long Duck Dong in 16 Candles. Casual racism was par for the course.
But even they drew the line and minstrel depictions of black folk.
He's been doing that a lot recently for some reason. That said, it's been funny seeing him seethe over telecom's recent stuff even if that's kinda what he wanted to happen to begin with
If we're talking co-productions, their Telecom studio just finished that Shenmue adaptation not too long ago, and now they're doing the Rick & Morty anime, based on those two shorts they made a while back. Marza's doing that 3rd Sonic movie, and that's all I know. Not really the greatest, but hopefully it's a re-start.
Why is he green? Is he Albanian or Greek?
He's a clown
He's a leper
You don't have to be so coarse about it.
Because making him black would be racist for the "progressive" American audience. Same reason why many African characters in old American comics have been later recolored.
Flip was always green even in the 1910s when nobody gave a frick, he definitely wasn’t colored like that for any pc reasons, even if he was supposed to be Black. Impy the Jungle Imp was the racist caricature, and he wasn’t in the movie at all (unless you argue that Impy’s characteristics were amalgamated into one or more of the other characters).
Impy was in this one, but mostly because he's one of the three main characters.
Why are westerners such pussies?
That instance is less westerners and more Nintendo of America going crazy when it comes to smoking or religion.
That's more Nintendo mandates from the era.
Is this game any good?
It was made by 1989 Capcom; yes.
There is also a good arcade version.
The game is alright by NES standards (Capcom is unarguably a top 3 dev for the system), but it's probably not the overall best thing they did. I most usually see this game bought up against the claim that Yoshi was impossible on NES, although Little Nemo doesn't actually have real-time mounts, they're just transformations.
>Why are westerners such pussies?
Japan just made online insults punishable by a year in prison. Without defining what counts as an insult.
I thought Impy was in the movie. Mandela Effect?
I don’t remember seeing Impy in there.
I do remember the goblin Boomps, and I was never sure if they’re based on anything from the original comic, or if they were loosely inspired by the imp, or if they were completely original.
>I do remember the goblin Boomps, and I was never sure if they’re based on anything from the original comic, or if they were loosely inspired by the imp, or if they were completely original.
I think they just look like generic Brian Froud goblins. He designed them, so that would stand to reason.
In the source material, he's actually supposed to be black.
But he was a very offense caricature of a black person, so they made him into a clown.
Nope. Apparently you think it's the same character.
>he was a very offense caricature of a black person
Because of the lips? Not even a big deal.
this is anime you fricking moron
It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration if I'm remembering correctly.
On paper it's anime but it has a very weird western like feel to it
>it's anime but it has a very weird western like feel to it
Kinda like the works of Susumu Matsushita.
That girl in the illustration has made me feel things I didn't know I would...
I know his work from adventure island cover art.
Have something from him saved, so I'll post it here
That looks like some early 90s western game box art.
>It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration if I'm remembering correctly.
Which usually meant it was entirely animated by Asian hands.
So basically Inspector Gadget? Because i'm pretty sure DIC hired TMS and Sunrise to animate IIRC.
Japanese-American collaborations were more common than just Gadget. Also Inspector Gadget and many TV shows contracted work all over the place so it's not quite the same thing. I'd think a better comparison would be the Hobbit.
I thought the Fritz the cat guy worked on this tho?
You're thinking of LOTR. The Hobbit was different.
You're thinking of The Lord of the Rings movie from the 70s, which relied heavily on live action footage and rotoscoping. The Hobbit was done by Rankin Bass (best known for Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and other holiday specials). They also made The Return of the King in collaboration with the same studio they made the Hobbit with (which incidentally was the precursor to Studio Ghibli).
>Sunrise
Didn't they only provide paint though?
Anyways, I kinda find it funny that some of the better outsourced studios of that time grew out of TMS in some manner; KK C&D, Visual '80, Telecom, WDAJ etc.
>It's some sort of Japanese and western collaboration
Well that's putting it lightly.
The movie production was basically Yutaka Fujioka getting fleeced by all of Hollywood for 10 years until he ran out of money.
They scammed him really bad.
It's more likely that with less or zero US grifters involved the movie would've come out earlier and be better for it.
It's Tokyo Movie Shinsha!
It's basically the asian-studios-doing-western-aesthetics that was basically the foundation for western TV animation in the 80s, but done with a feature film-level budget and artistry.
Doesn't look like other anime you moron. Anime isn't a style btw
>Anime isn't a style
It kind of is, if not all of it. "Anime" would be a mix of a certain production approach + broader cultural storytelling sensibilities + a particular visual style.
"visual style" is not necessarily defined as how you draw a face anon
Go tell /ic/ that kek
>inferring Sailor Moon's art style is a bad thing
>inferring there's any other tv show that even looks remotely close to Sailor Moon in art style
For as popular as it is, only Sailor Moon looks like Sailor Moon. It had a lot of charm and character with a very airy, feminine feel to it. Naoko Takeuchi deserves better than to be insulted by westoids.
Sailor Moon feels like a billion years ago by this point. In retrospect, it's weird that anyone disliked possibly the best mash-up of shoujou and gag manga that exists.
It blew my mind when i learned this is almost entirely absent from the manga.
The word you're looking for is 'implying'.
Man, Kaiba was fricking cool.
What a weird ass post.
First you make the fallacy that resemblance to anime is what makes something anime.
Then you point out that that's NOT what makes something anime.
Like, actual schizo shit right here.
Apparently there were "pilots" for the movie, or maybe even a show that were just straight up anime.
The ones at 8:14 and 11:50 look like they would have been interesting versions to see. Not familiar with the original Nemo comics so I don't know if the airplane kid is from those comics or a new character entirely.
>No. 2
Damn, it's so good. Yoshifumi Kondo's death was one of the biggest losses in animation. But it's obvious that he still made an impact on the final version because some of the characters still look a little like the Anne/Ghibli style.
The first one put the most effort into trying to replicate the style of McCay's drawings as well as the weird sense of motion that was particular to his comics. 8:14 is very anime, while 11:50 is sort of a strange middleground with the detail and cuteness turned up. Can't say I care for the way characters are designed in the last one but the animation is quite impressive.
It's possible there was someone with an airplane in a few strips, but if there were I've never seen them. There were never a ton of recurring characters to start with but they may have felt safe adding a few OCs due to the anything-goes nature of the setting. In the original strips Flip seems to show up the most, and the princess and the king also show up periodically.
It's absolutely tragic how difficult it was to make this movie. A Nemo movie with scenes like 8:14 would've been an absolute spectacle.
I can't say I'm surprised, really. The source material doesn't have any major narrative or memorable characters that you could spin into a feature film.
The detriment is the fact that the comic strip is mostly just short stories about a kid's dreams, and it's only later that the strips start to go into longer stories when he gets to the palace, even though he still wakes up every morning. But it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world to make a narrative due to how rich and colorful the world of Slumberland is.
The full film does have scenes that are like the 2nd short. The intro was obviously based on it.
Yeah, but given how cool some of the pilots were, it could've been a lot better if not for the development hell it went though.
I never understood why they redesign her.
>her
Anon...
I'm not seeing any evidence that's indicated that's a guy or a trap.
It's a boy, introduced as such in the comic
Prove it.
Check.
>giantess
Oh no.
>The writer's barely disguised fetish
He wasn't lying
>implied giantess vore
Winsor was truly a man ahead of his time.
You forgot implied giantess /ss/
Clussy
Clock
JUMP
>never see a full movie with this shota
It's unfair
Peter Pan and the Pirates had a whole bunch of episodes that looked just like this.
Oh it's true. Neat.
>TMSgay thread
inb4 TMS saved western animation
TMSgay is an obnoxious schizo but he's not wrong about TMS being a great animation studio.
GOD I want to FRICK that cat
Would "Calarts style" cartoons look good with TMS animation?
Holy frick animation has gone down hill
I want to have sex with this cat
>you wish caught on
This was the style of an entire decade.
Little Nemo, just like many other Western animated productions of the past, have been fully animated in Japanese anime studios.
The correct answer
I love this movie, it gives me huge nostalgia every time I watch it, especially the scene when he first arrives in Slumberland and there's all the pastel colored turn-of-the-century clown aesthetics
Now you've done it
is it clussy time?
I miss this clown boy like you wouldn't believe.
nice fan art anon.
Why was this movie trapped in such a wild production hell? Even Miyazaki was attached to it as some point before deciding he didn't like that it takes place in a dream world.
Badly managed, it went over budget because of confusion, no one wanted to do it due to how fricked the whole production was and no one knew when or how it could be finished. That's why they decided to just cram together whatever they could that was finished by the time they were forced to air the product.
I like how the resulting clusterfrick comes off more like a crazy dream than anything someone could have done on purpose.
>from Miyazaki, Yoshifumi Kondo and Osamu Dezaki to fricking Chris Colombus
What a tragedy.
that's just disney style animated by a japanese
tbf a few disney staffers were involved.
Yeah, apparently Frank and Ollie (Classic Disney) and Roger Allers (Lion King) were involved(?). It's difficult for me to find out what they did for the movie though.
Anon, they would not have added an old timey black person in a 1980s half-western production.
>Anon, they would not have added an old timey black person in a 1980s half-western production.
This is true. And the 80s wasn't some sort of super progressive era in the West, either.
Keep in mind, this the decade that gave us Long Duck Dong in 16 Candles. Casual racism was par for the course.
But even they drew the line and minstrel depictions of black folk.
I was surprised to read this movie did poorly.
Loved it as a kid
I like the one we got the most actually.
first looks the most like the comics one. four is nice too.
Number four looks amazing. The eyes really sell it.
Middle is sort of Don Bluth-y
1 is meh, 2 is better, really digging 3, i don't like the animu look of 4, and 5 is the best.
This is by TMS, the legendary japanese anime studio which also made Akira.
It's hilarious how all their big budget stuff was great but also a flop. Really shows how dumb the masses are.
Does Famicom get banned often? I notice he posts in the archive comments quite a bit.
He's been doing that a lot recently for some reason. That said, it's been funny seeing him seethe over telecom's recent stuff even if that's kinda what he wanted to happen to begin with
Speaking of production hell movies...
Dezaki's pilot have much better style, colors and movement.
They went waaaaaaaaay too extreme with this, for just a pilot film. Almost like a little mini-masterpiece.
TMS was insanely good, are they doing anything other than Detective Conan these days ?
If we're talking co-productions, their Telecom studio just finished that Shenmue adaptation not too long ago, and now they're doing the Rick & Morty anime, based on those two shorts they made a while back. Marza's doing that 3rd Sonic movie, and that's all I know. Not really the greatest, but hopefully it's a re-start.
i don't remember this movie looking THIS good. haven't seen it in 20+ years though, time to rewatch