Yeah the ending really sold the film for me. Probably one of the best 4th wall breaks I can think of since it actually added a whole new layer of commentary for the events of the film and the film itself.
You know the white man did a lot of bad shit to the Indians. They also did bad shit to the white man. It was a rough time in history. The movie doesn’t overdo it or make it seem political in any way. It’s a story that seemed to accurately portray the relations at this time in history. I read a bunch of books on this shit last year.
I did, the first half was good but nothing special, the second half was kino, and the ending was perfect
>ending was perfect
Wanna know how I know you didn't see it homosexual?
I thought the ending was good. Specifically the stage scene. Creative.
I was going to ask him the same thing. Great book, gave me a strange feeling of longing for those days of living on the frontier while at the same time knowing what a shit and horrific time it was to be alive
I was going to ask him the same thing. Great book, gave me a strange feeling of longing for those days of living on the frontier while at the same time knowing what a shit and horrific time it was to be alive
Yes, Empire of the Summer Moon and the Earth is Weeping. The latter is a history of the Indian wars in general.
Just got back from seeing this 5 minutes ago, my theatre was surprisingly empty for a Scorsese first day showing.
I found it predictable and drawn out. A lot could have been cut and nothing of the story would have been lost
Because most Native Americans these days are pretty heavily mixed with European DNA. The few pure ones remaining usually don't leave the reservations, mostly due to social stigma and tribalism.
havent seen the movie so a question for those who have: does it portrait indians 3dimensionally with also flaws, or are they just noble victims. because ive gotten the image that theyre noble victims who represent "the best of us"
I'd say the Indians are more naive than anything and the whites are greedy and exploitative, but not exactly...mustache twirling villains.
Quick fer instance: the Indian ladies basically marry the white guys knowing they're only marrying them to get their money, but Fuck it, they want the BWC. So you, the viewer, are thinking "no, don't do that," but you also get to understanding the motivation behind all parties. Hey, it's like a well told story with fleshed out characters, unbelievable.
It's leo being leo, Deniro giving it one last hurrah and the native woman is gonna clean up at awards season. It's great but reeeaaaallllll fucking long.
I watched this in a half full theater at my local kinoplex. Sadly, the theater next door played the Taylor Swift documentary so fucking loudly that every silent moment in the film was undercut my bass droning and roasties screaming. Why the fuck is a Taylor Swift movie 2 hours and 45 minutes???
Just watched the trailer and it basically looks like >le evil white villain vs le good white guy who helps brown people
Literally the same exact theme of every single film dealing with white/native conflict, from The Mission to Avatar. Is it really 3 hours of this shit again
it's undiscussable on Cinemaphile right now, every post is just "chud white ppl bad goyslop pozzed injuns capeshit nagger", try making a thread in two weeks, maybe they will get bored
overall the movie is meh, watchable, but kinda stale, it starts interesting when it introduces you to its world, but you know everything after the first 30 minutes and then the movie just continues and goes on where "le nothing happens xd"
epilogue was unironically the best part
i don't know why it has 3.5 hours runtime, it really didn't need to, though i must admit it didn't felt that long, it felt shorter than oppenheimer or avatar 2 for example
i'd say if you want to see it, just wait for streaming/torrents, cinematography was nice, but nothing really justifying paying the ticket
and i'm one of those homosexuals that thought the irishman was great, so i don't know what others will say
the fake accents he and deniro put on is like some asking some random guy at party to do a british accent or russian - comical in how bad it is. for it to be in a movie is painful. like fucking keanu reaves dracula tier.
You understand the entire movie after 30 minutes, there is zero excuse for a simple story like this to be 3 hours
I’m pretty surprised that DiCaprio and De Niro had the worst performances in the movie, they were the least interesting characters and made you roll your eyes every time they were on screen, especial DeNiro wasn’t convincing at all.
It looked like a lot of work went into making it a realistic depiction of the time period though, good cinematography
Destruction is the privilege of the powerful, non-whites really don't have power in America (still).
The powerful are always responsible for the conditions that everyone else has to endure their lives in, Thus It Always Was in all of history.
You create a shitty, hateful, repressive environment for people, they turn out shitty and hateful and violent, you might as well blame plants for withering when you give them no sunlight.
Lots of footage of Congress bickering over which white guy will run the House this week, taken as a whole they are whiter than an Iowa State Fair.
This country had millions of non-whites when whites first invaded, has continuously had non-whites in it, and non-whites have steadily immigrated into it alongside all the various Euro-mutts.
But you just reinforce my point; most of it was taken at the point of a gun, and that sort of power comes with responsibility. The people who did all the taking set up conditions for everyone else to be miserable and disadvantaged, it's kinda ironic to complain they haven't turned out to be Model Citizens.
We've given them back far more than we took, and they're still shit. They were also quite violent before we showed up. You live in a fantasy world and each passing day white people get more vindicated.
>The evil person is called a israelite, and punishes people at the freemason lodge to keep them in line
So this is the anti-white sentiment? Seems like the "anti-semitism" in this movie is getting astroturfed by israelite
William Hale wasn't israeli, he was just another protestant Cattleman fucking over Indians in the proud Oklahoman tradition.
You dumb nagger.
See? I called you a nog, didn't magically revise you into being one.
Actually it would, if I proved in my actions I was a nagger. The same how if a white person proves they're israeli by their actions, but having a big nose and some other israeli physical stereotypes make it obvious too.
I've seen about 20 Scorsese directed movies. I would rank it somewhere in the middle of his filmog. A step down from The Irishman but otherwise his best since The Departed. I know tv hates women but Gladstone is really great, cute andthick, she's the emotional core of the movie
Yeah, I feel like it could have been better than the irishman but it never gets to that extra mile of greatness. Except for the farm scene near the end
Can someone explain to me the scene where the FBI agents were in a meeting to review the clues and then the farm was burning, one of them said "I just signed Hale for farm insurance". Who the fuck is that guy? What is he doing with the FBI? And how much of a coincidence that the farm would burn at that time and the day after getting the insurance? Is Hale a dumbass? Also, wtf were the workers doing in the fire?
They were making trench lines to stop the fire from spreading, breaking the soil with picks and such while the next guy uses the newly ruptured soil to expand the trench.
So the fire can't jump around on fields.
Also I guess he's just a complier with the FBI that came out with them, and works for the insurance company.
it's shit, saw it thursday night. absolute waste of time. i will genuinely never give scorsese another shot. he is 80 tho, so not like he's gonna be putting out much.
dude took an interesting historical event that was a real life murder mystery with a unique setting and did fuck all with it. he even had a book he coulda copied shot for shot and instead of the main character being the fbi agent he made it dicaprio who is as insufferable as ever with his 3hr+ forced underbite and tardation. it could've been interesting if he would hire a new editor and learn what pacing is finally. he put the entirety of the movies focus on the least interesting character. i woulda taken a movie about bill, anna, blacky, or any of the moonshiners over the boring bullshit dicaprio gives us. this nigga has been making movies for what 50yrs? and just gets consistently worse.
yeah, it's shit don't even bother
Why?
Just your usual "white people bad" bs. That's literally the whole movie. Every single line. Shit plot, shit acting, shit everything.
Yes I did and they had these BIG ASS speakers in the imax theater in each corner
I took a pic
I did, the first half was good but nothing special, the second half was kino, and the ending was perfect
>ending was perfect
Wanna know how I know you didn't see it homosexual?
Yeah the ending really sold the film for me. Probably one of the best 4th wall breaks I can think of since it actually added a whole new layer of commentary for the events of the film and the film itself.
>white people ... LE BAD!
BRAVO
and no I haven't seen and never will
> white people ... LE BAD!
To non white folk.
>folk
souless husks is more appropriate
You know the white man did a lot of bad shit to the Indians. They also did bad shit to the white man. It was a rough time in history. The movie doesn’t overdo it or make it seem political in any way. It’s a story that seemed to accurately portray the relations at this time in history. I read a bunch of books on this shit last year.
I thought the ending was good. Specifically the stage scene. Creative.
>I read a bunch of books on this shit last year.
did you read Empire of the Summer Moon?
I was going to ask him the same thing. Great book, gave me a strange feeling of longing for those days of living on the frontier while at the same time knowing what a shit and horrific time it was to be alive
Yes, Empire of the Summer Moon and the Earth is Weeping. The latter is a history of the Indian wars in general.
>white man did a lot of bad shit to Indians
>Comanche literally raped and pillaged their neighbors constantly
They literally treated the native americans like shit. It like saying "REDCOAT....LE BAD" during the of independance.
>WHITE MAN…Le BAD
Are you sure redcoats were le bad though?
What kind of retarded shit is this. Just because you put a quote on a picture doesn't make it smart anon.
Anglos were and are actually scum though
The fact you are denying that white people, at some point in history did something bad, makes you look even worse, ironically.
I am literally the most racist person here and can accept that this is in fact a true story.
Yeah, but I probably never will again.
White people...BAD
I saved you $20 and 3 hours
It looks boring, but historically its pretty correct. I guess if you find it uncomfortable or embarassing, not watching it is you choice.
Cinemaphile told me this flick was pozzed snd anti white and I’d have to agree so I’m not gonna see it
I just saw it tonight and didn’t get that impression. It’s good and I’ll be recommending it to friends. Excellent western.
Well, you're a pozzed cuck
Anon, we know you woldn't leave your house anyway.
Just got back from seeing this 5 minutes ago, my theatre was surprisingly empty for a Scorsese first day showing.
I found it predictable and drawn out. A lot could have been cut and nothing of the story would have been lost
>my theatre was surprisingly empty for a Scorsese first day showing
>surprisingly empty
Scorcese ain't as big as you think
Scorsese did what he has been doing since the early 2000s. Make a film solely for oscars. Scorsese has no soul left in him anymore.
Eh he did Silence and there's no way a film about Christianity is winning Oscars unless the movie is trashing on it
>King is referred to as a israelite multiple times
>Ernest is paddled in a fucking freemason lodge for not following orders
Got my noggin joggin
2 hours too long, and the third act is very bad.
Why did all the natives look over 50% white?
because real indians are ugly as sin
Most "Indians" these days are only like 1/4 Red at most.
There are no pure Indians left.
FAK U BLADY BENCHOD BASTARD BITCH
A huge plague wiped out most of the Indian population before white people even showed up
And then white people brought another plague
>A huge plague wiped out most of the Indian population before white people even showed up
What plague?
Damn, that's a shame. Maybe they should have invented medicines, idk.
Because most Native Americans these days are pretty heavily mixed with European DNA. The few pure ones remaining usually don't leave the reservations, mostly due to social stigma and tribalism.
i watched a 5 minute news video where the writer tells what happened
you can also see what happened from the trailer
cam version?
i have no interest in seeing some movie about how i should feel bad about le heckin indians. they lost. stay mad. boo fucking hoo
chud filter kino
It's woke anti-white propaganda, and no, I haven't seen it.
It historically accurate. If you makes you feel bad then thats your problem.
>historically accurate
So were Leni Riefenstahl's films, what's your point?
havent seen the movie so a question for those who have: does it portrait indians 3dimensionally with also flaws, or are they just noble victims. because ive gotten the image that theyre noble victims who represent "the best of us"
They movie is sympathetic to their plight but ultimately portrays them as basically regular people.
I haven't seen it but the historical event began because the Indians got a bunch of money and started blowing it on hookers and booze
It's weird that anyone would call a Scorsese movie anti-white just for having race relations in it. He's made some of my favorite white people movies
They're portrait as drunks so pretty realistic
I'd say the Indians are more naive than anything and the whites are greedy and exploitative, but not exactly...mustache twirling villains.
Quick fer instance: the Indian ladies basically marry the white guys knowing they're only marrying them to get their money, but Fuck it, they want the BWC. So you, the viewer, are thinking "no, don't do that," but you also get to understanding the motivation behind all parties. Hey, it's like a well told story with fleshed out characters, unbelievable.
Multiple indians with drinking problems are shown. Ernest's mother-in-law is also portrayed as an unlikeable figure.
No she isn’t, she’s portrayed as a poor old women getting fucked over by greedy whites, she was shown to be the only one aware of what’s going on
I'll tonight
I liked that after three hours of WHITE MAN BAD, Scorsese thought it was necessary to come on screen to tell you again.
yeah its was good, white people should be ashamed of themselves demonic pieces of shit
I don't watch television & film. I devour them.
It’s 3 hours long
I’m still watching it now
It's leo being leo, Deniro giving it one last hurrah and the native woman is gonna clean up at awards season. It's great but reeeaaaallllll fucking long.
I watched this in a half full theater at my local kinoplex. Sadly, the theater next door played the Taylor Swift documentary so fucking loudly that every silent moment in the film was undercut my bass droning and roasties screaming. Why the fuck is a Taylor Swift movie 2 hours and 45 minutes???
I did. Is great but is really long and doesn't have an intermission, which should have to represent even more the time.
Just watched the trailer and it basically looks like
>le evil white villain vs le good white guy who helps brown people
Literally the same exact theme of every single film dealing with white/native conflict, from The Mission to Avatar. Is it really 3 hours of this shit again
Does this trope have a name? I call it "white racist vs. white savior", but that's not very catchy
I promise you it is not this
Then what is it
There are no good white people in this movie
All of the anti-White garbage watching it will simply insist they are "White savior" characters and not see them as good at all.
in honor of this movie ill have sex with some native broad this week
in my opinion conquered peoples shouldn't get jack shit.
Is that you reborn great Khan? We have a lot of work to do.
couldn't agree more
Isn't it on apple? Why aren't there torrents up yet?
nobody cares enough to rip and seed. lol thats probably the best information from this thread
it's undiscussable on Cinemaphile right now, every post is just "chud white ppl bad goyslop pozzed injuns capeshit nagger", try making a thread in two weeks, maybe they will get bored
overall the movie is meh, watchable, but kinda stale, it starts interesting when it introduces you to its world, but you know everything after the first 30 minutes and then the movie just continues and goes on where "le nothing happens xd"
epilogue was unironically the best part
i don't know why it has 3.5 hours runtime, it really didn't need to, though i must admit it didn't felt that long, it felt shorter than oppenheimer or avatar 2 for example
i'd say if you want to see it, just wait for streaming/torrents, cinematography was nice, but nothing really justifying paying the ticket
and i'm one of those homosexuals that thought the irishman was great, so i don't know what others will say
Lol youre part of the problem for having a simpleton mind as well
FUCK INDIANS
No, I won't fuck Indians.
the fake accents he and deniro put on is like some asking some random guy at party to do a british accent or russian - comical in how bad it is. for it to be in a movie is painful. like fucking keanu reaves dracula tier.
You understand the entire movie after 30 minutes, there is zero excuse for a simple story like this to be 3 hours
I’m pretty surprised that DiCaprio and De Niro had the worst performances in the movie, they were the least interesting characters and made you roll your eyes every time they were on screen, especial DeNiro wasn’t convincing at all.
It looked like a lot of work went into making it a realistic depiction of the time period though, good cinematography
I'm just tired of Martin casting actors literally twice the age of the characters they are meant to represent.
mogged by the new 4hr Ken Burns PBS documentary on the settler-colonial industrial destruction of the American Buffalo and the indigenous
How about the documentary about how non-White trash is destroying our society right now?
Destruction is the privilege of the powerful, non-whites really don't have power in America (still).
The powerful are always responsible for the conditions that everyone else has to endure their lives in, Thus It Always Was in all of history.
You create a shitty, hateful, repressive environment for people, they turn out shitty and hateful and violent, you might as well blame plants for withering when you give them no sunlight.
Lots of footage of Congress bickering over which white guy will run the House this week, taken as a whole they are whiter than an Iowa State Fair.
>non-whites really don't have power in America (still).
Why do they need to have power in a nation that is not even theirs?
This country had millions of non-whites when whites first invaded, has continuously had non-whites in it, and non-whites have steadily immigrated into it alongside all the various Euro-mutts.
But you just reinforce my point; most of it was taken at the point of a gun, and that sort of power comes with responsibility. The people who did all the taking set up conditions for everyone else to be miserable and disadvantaged, it's kinda ironic to complain they haven't turned out to be Model Citizens.
No you reenforce my point that non-Whites are in eternal never ending war with us and we need to finish it forever!
>when whites first invaded
I would bury your ass alive!
SUBHUMAN ANIMAL!
We've given them back far more than we took, and they're still shit. They were also quite violent before we showed up. You live in a fantasy world and each passing day white people get more vindicated.
You have zero understanding of human history and likely have never had sex with a woman below 200 pounds
We simply need to kill you "people" in war.
FUCKING DIE
I have a good name for that movie we could call it "with open gates" and should be seen by every white person on this planet.
>watching any movie Scorsese was involved with
I'd never
>The evil person is called a israelite, and punishes people at the freemason lodge to keep them in line
So this is the anti-white sentiment? Seems like the "anti-semitism" in this movie is getting astroturfed by israelite
William Hale wasn't israeli, he was just another protestant Cattleman fucking over Indians in the proud Oklahoman tradition.
You dumb nagger.
See? I called you a nog, didn't magically revise you into being one.
Actually it would, if I proved in my actions I was a nagger. The same how if a white person proves they're israeli by their actions, but having a big nose and some other israeli physical stereotypes make it obvious too.
>The same how if a white person proves they're israeli by their actions
Then America is more israeli than Israel itself.
>fucking over Indians
No fuck all of you!
Not bowing before our enemies and serving them does not equate to fucking them over.
>tulsa riots footage
Did it really?
They brought up Tulsa a number of times
Yeah, finally a movie that’s got the balls to call out white people for the awful shit they did generations ago. It’s about time.
We should have simply killed all non-Whites so we would not have to be dealing with the constant moaning now.
Ironically if we were to disappear the Chinese or Arabs would just slaughter them all.
chuds absolutely seething itt
To FUCKING HELL with non-Whites.
Chugs would starve to death without chud tax dollars.
Don't think this flick has a chance of defeating Tay Tay at the box office
Yes. Of course the fragile homosexuals are being filtered
I've seen about 20 Scorsese directed movies. I would rank it somewhere in the middle of his filmog. A step down from The Irishman but otherwise his best since The Departed. I know tv hates women but Gladstone is really great, cute andthick, she's the emotional core of the movie
Yeah, I feel like it could have been better than the irishman but it never gets to that extra mile of greatness. Except for the farm scene near the end
The departed is his best movie and this might be his worst. Horrible acting, horrible writing, horrible pacing
I’m done watching 3+ hour movies in theaters. He should’ve just made a 2hr30 theatrical cut and left the 3hr30 cut to streaming.
Can someone explain to me the scene where the FBI agents were in a meeting to review the clues and then the farm was burning, one of them said "I just signed Hale for farm insurance". Who the fuck is that guy? What is he doing with the FBI? And how much of a coincidence that the farm would burn at that time and the day after getting the insurance? Is Hale a dumbass? Also, wtf were the workers doing in the fire?
They were making trench lines to stop the fire from spreading, breaking the soil with picks and such while the next guy uses the newly ruptured soil to expand the trench.
So the fire can't jump around on fields.
Also I guess he's just a complier with the FBI that came out with them, and works for the insurance company.
looks like shit
it's shit, saw it thursday night. absolute waste of time. i will genuinely never give scorsese another shot. he is 80 tho, so not like he's gonna be putting out much.
dude took an interesting historical event that was a real life murder mystery with a unique setting and did fuck all with it. he even had a book he coulda copied shot for shot and instead of the main character being the fbi agent he made it dicaprio who is as insufferable as ever with his 3hr+ forced underbite and tardation. it could've been interesting if he would hire a new editor and learn what pacing is finally. he put the entirety of the movies focus on the least interesting character. i woulda taken a movie about bill, anna, blacky, or any of the moonshiners over the boring bullshit dicaprio gives us. this nigga has been making movies for what 50yrs? and just gets consistently worse.
>consistently worse
The Departed and The Irishman are two of his greatest works of his whole career
Nah his best movies are goodfellas, the casino, and ghostbusters
>it could've been interesting if he would hire a new editor and learn what pacing is finally.
Retard giving editing tips to thelma schoonmaker lol
It's really mediocre. Honestly, I don't think any of Scorsese's 2000s movies are great, except for Silence
I've had it running since it leaked and it still ain't over