Arcane Season 2

yeah, nine eps felt way too fricking cramped. the first three were too slow paced, and the last six were rushed af. I couldn't buy any of the romances bc of it.
another ep like you said would've helped.
twelve eps would be even better and allowed the story to breathe. If they must restrict themselves to nine eps, then condensing the first arc into two eps and added one ep to the second would've been a good compromise.

You are not happy. You are miserable and obsessed with trannies.
Rope. Use it.

>everyone is a troony!
Again, how do you live with yourself?

It's a troll or even a bot.

he's lonely and happy, you're lonely and a man, never to be a woman, good job schizo detective

>He literally doesn't need her for either of those things
So why didn't he attack Topside once he became one of Zaun's big fish? Why did it get to the point where he didn't even know how to work his shimmer injector and needed Jinx to do it for him? Silco became dependent on Jinx, just as she became dependent on him.
>He only needs her for her company and her affection.
So, you're just proving my point, then? He needed her.
>She's the single person in the world he decided to invest his trust in. Jinx had Vi as a potential rebound still.
Jinx believed Vi was dead for the longest time, and it's the revelation of Vi still being alive that puts her at odds with Silco, because he lied to her (granted, he didn't know that Vi was still alive, but I doubt he would've told Jinx if he did). As far as Jinx was concerned, she had no one else other than Silco. And Silco was very cold towards her, which is why she felt the need to prove himself to him, to earn that affection. In doing so, she ended up giving him the key to achieving his dream.

>but I doubt he would've told Jinx if he did
he doesn't. he learns she's alive from Sevika at the end of episode 5 and immediately sends all his men to track her without telling Jinx. she notices something is off and bullies poor Chuck and Sevika to learn the truth. and then she assaults Silco calling him a liar. he gaslights her by saying Vi came back only for the gemstone (she clearly told him she went back for Powder). she first believes her but at the tea party a part of her is again seeing Silco as a liar who deliberately hid Vi from her and stole "our" lives (even though he told her he wasn't aware she was alive, the only truthful part of his speech but Jinx no longer believes him since he lied about the rest).

>Not for any utilitarian reason, but because he loved her that much.
You can argue that, because she's the only Zaunite who knows how to weaponize hextech, there was a utilitarian element to him wanting to hold on to her. However, he did love her, which is why he would've never given her to Piltover, and in his final moments he just wanted her to know that she was everything he ever wanted her to be. Perfect.

I'm not saying Silco was a saint. He did project onto her, but he also cared about her. He accepted her instead of rejecting her, never mocked or belittled her, and only raised his voice to her once.
>accidentally killing her family twice and getting crazier each time is "being perfect"? what a joke.
She's stronger than she was as Powder, able to fight back against anyone who tried to harm her and she's taking the fight to Piltover instead of hiding out. Also, frick you. Silco is right. She is perfect.

His belief in her competence is completely irrational from the standpoint of the audience. She does succeed to weapoize it, but Jinx is right in saying that singed should've been the one in charge of that considering the results of their previous collaborations.

>but Jinx is right in saying that singed should've been the one in charge of that considering the results of their previous collaborations.
She only said that because she doubted herself in that moment. Silco helped her to get rid of that doubt.

Silco didn't know about Jinx's affinity for tinkering and weapons when he found her. That was something he learned about over time, and I'm sure it played a role in him pushing her to work on weaponizing hextech.

Also, she's the only Zaunite with any experience with hextech, having used it as a child. She also stole Viktor and Jayce's notes on the subject alongside the gemstone and figured out the whole thing relatively quickly. All she needed was a little bit of encouragement.
>Singed is a seasoned scientist with plenty successful projects under his belt, Jinx just makes bombs out of trash.
Sure, Singed could've done it, but I think by that point in the show Singed and Silco weren't working together the way they had in the past. The only time Silco goes to him is out of desperation after Jinx blows herself up on the bridge.

>They absolutely do work as closely as they used to if not closer given the drastic spike in shimmer production capabilitie, shimmer juggernauts, sevika's new arm.
Singed could've gotten the ball rolling on those things with Silco finding a way to mass produce them. Mass production doesn't require the constant presence of the inventor.
>Jinx having previous experience handling hextech is barely worth mentioning. Especially considering the new prototype is specifically made in such a way as to prevent the types of interactions Powder had with the original units. Everything that she stolen could've been easily passed onto professor.
I do think it is worth mentioning, since it's an example of hextech being weaponized, which is what Silco ultimately wanted her to do. The refined hextech needed more work to get the raw energy out of them, but the idea of them being used offensively was proved a long time ago.
>Silco being aware of her proclivity towards tinkering doesn't explain him entrusting her the biggest tramp card he has. He's clearly being affected by his affection towards her so in that reegard ascribing this particular interaction utilitarian connotation seems misguided.
We can say that his affections played a role, but if anyone was going to weaponize hextech in Zaun, it would've been Jinx. She has experience building viable weapons in her pistol and Pow-Pow (and eventually Fishbones), as well as countless explosives; she knows just how powerful hextech can be if used offensively; she's also very close to Silco and any breakthroughs she makes can be put to work almost immediately.

Singed is more of a biologist.

Remember that Jinx appears to have made the first ever fully automatic weapon with, essentially, access to little more than trash tier resources. Viktor calls her explosives ingenious. She IS a highly capable artificer, she's just also pretty flighty. She might actually be better at working with magitech type shit than Jayce and the like simply because she's inclined toward more magical thinking.

>Well, Silco has no fricking idea what this little blue orb is capable of. He is no scientist.
He's got to know, if only due to Jinx knowing where she got it from, that it's a powering element for hextech, and all the hextech stuff he'd have seen seems to have to do with more mechanical engineering than biochemistry. It's very interesting that chemtech in the end might just be biochemical hextech resulting from Singed getting his hands on that stuff through Viktor, though.
>I am well aware that Jinx is a natural born genius, the fact I feankly find a tad over the top, in the framework of the story as well as of the high praise Victor gave her.
Really? That seems like half the point of her character. She's a genius as incredible as someone like Viktor or Jayce, but the conditions she was raised in have held her back and meant her potential is ultimately squandered. That feels like an essential part of her tragedy.
>That doesn't at all translate to Silco being aware and being able to appreciate it
I half agree. I think he has incredible faith in Jinx, but he also has every reason to believe that his engineering genius will be useful on hextech than his biochemical one. To be honest, he also just might not trust Singed as much. Jinx is 'in the family', so to speak, while Singed is more of a contractor - one that clearly has his own, somewhat inscrutable and worrying goals.

That's literally what every parent does, you delusional moron. He saw himself in Jinx and he genuinely wanted to help her in the way he knew how. He's not an angel walking on earth who can readily cast away his happiness especially considering he was very much on point in his estimation of Vi's eventual disillusionment.

Silco didn't want Jinx to be his exact copy he saw strength and beauty in her wounded person. He thought that by helping her nurse these wounds as he did his, by making her let go off the past, she would reach her full potential.

Btw Silco did stop hating Vander. Even at the end of the season 1, he offers him to join his effort.

>there was a utilitarian element to him wanting to hold on to her
not really. He didn't give a shit about the hextech in the end. It was never on his plans to get it or weaponize it. He only started thinking about such possibility when Jinx brought it. If she had never brought it, he would've still hold on to her.

Okay...?

We have literally no reason to assume Singed and Silco relationship worsened any. Everything points in the direction of it being even more tight if anything and nothing points otherwise outside of Silco tasking Jinx with weaponizing hexteck.

The initial units are not hextech. It's just magical ore. Incredibly large amounts of unstable magical energy packed in a small pearl. A literal toddler would be able to weoponize it. Hextech is a technology that allows to stabilize this energy and to implement it for practical purposes. That was the first breakthrough that put Jayce and hexteck on the map and which allowed such rapid technological progress and economic growth to take place in piltover in such a short time.

As to Jinx being the pnly one capable of making use of the technology on Zuan side I remain unconvinced. What you mention doesn't necessitate her being at the helm. It's understandable why it would.make sense from a storytelling standpoint, but from the standpoint diogesis the justification outside of Silco's irrational decision is just not there.

>As to Jinx being the pnly one capable of making use of the technology on Zuan side I remain unconvinced. What you mention doesn't necessitate her being at the helm. It's understandable why it would.make sense from a storytelling standpoint, but from the standpoint diogesis the justification outside of Silco's irrational decision is just not there.
It's "not there" because you're refusing to see it, for whatever reason. We don't see anyone else make the kinds of weapons that Jinx does. The Enforcers have lever-action rifles while she's carrying a minigun. Silco's not irrational for thinking that his daughter, who builds weapons that no one else can, may have a shot for weaponizing the technology he needs to level the playing field with Piltover.

Damn, she knew where important shit might've been stored. She had no fricking way of knowing about the fricking mcguffin itself. She lucked out on finding it.

You have yet to say anything that could back up what you're saying, only repeating the same things over and over.

>When only four people know about the existence of the prototype in all of fricking piltover. Thinking that Jinx, who just done fricked up the smuggling operation and was told to cool off, should be aware not only of its existence, but also about its exact location is straight up delirious.
Anon, she already knows that hextech is a thing, and it's very possible that she's been to Piltover before. I'm also looking at the heist itself and how she carried it out, which was far too smart for her to just "get lucky". You're just selling her short, plain and simple.

She chose to carry out the heist on Progress Day, the very day where Piltover shows off all of its fancy new technology and there would be less security around. How did she know this? Probably because it's not the first time she's been to Piltover. That isn't luck. That's her choosing the right time to strike.

Production of ammunition requires a lot of resources, though. A gun is useless if you don't have the industrial base to churn out lots of bullets.

Production of ammunition requires a lot of resources, though. A gun is useless if you don't have the industrial base to churn out lots of bullets.

This is interesting. So a nation that holds dear to guns always has to have a modicum of production capacity that serves everyone somehow.

I say "seemed" because we simply don't know. At the same time, I doubt Silco would've wanted his daughter to live in a hole in the ground with a bunch of graffiti-covered knick-knacks. That was her choice.
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I wish the idiots who make stuff like this would stop confusing appreciation for "idolization". No, just because Tony Montana is one of my favorite characters doesn't mean I don't think he wasn't a degenerate drug lord. Besides, maybe we should be asking more questions about society itself if so many people look up to characters who go against it in some way.
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She might've had to rely on him more when she was younger, but as the years went by it's clear that he needed her more than she needed him.
>The medicine needle for his eye perfectly symbolizes their relationship. He taught her to be loyal and serve him and because of her he started to slip as he relied on her more and more personally.
That's what I'm getting at also. It was getting to the point where Silco wouldn't even be able to function without Jinx. Their relationship is a co-dependent one, of course, but it's not balanced. Jinx could run off and do what she wants, which usually had to do with impressing Silco or her vendetta against Topside, while Silco himself needed Jinx to do the things he couldn't, like attack Topside and keep his infection in check with shimmer.

>Silco himself needed Jinx to do the things he couldn't, like attack Topside and keep his infection in check with shimmer.
He had plenty of disposable grunts he could use, and the idea that only Jinx could handle an injection is just silly. He could've built a fricking machine to do it for him

You're right that the shimmer injector is a symbol, but it's a symbol for the unconditional trust he has in Jinx. To everyone else she's a dangerous lunatic, but to him he's someone he trusts with his life. And of course, it's a trust she keeps violating again and again (illustrated by how she ends up "torturing" him with said symbol of trust), but he keeps forgiving her again and again because he loves her. Silco's entire tale is one of a desperate struggle where cold, calculated villainy triumphs over emotion (i.e. cruel Silco succeeding where kind Vander failed) that ends up failing anyway because in one instance he chose love over common sense. Hell there's an entre scene that specifically exists to literally explain this to the moron audience but apparently people here are still too dense to get it.

10 years of oppression, exclusion, marginalization, starvation, and being treated as one big garbage dump.

vs exactly the same but with shimmer addiction and more internal inequalities under Silco

Like I already said, Silco did bad things. I've never denied that. But they were necessary to build his powerbase and form a united front instead of just being a bunch of gangs scrapping for local power. If he hadn't united the chem barons under him he wouldn't have been able to accomplish anything and Piltover wouldn't have taken him serious enough to negotiate. He had to present himself as a powerful industrialist instead of just another rabble rouser because that's something Piltover understands and respects instead of simply crushes. He made the absolute most out of the shit hand he'd been dealt. Meanwhile Vander simply allowed things to deteriorate and was even complicit in the oppression without trying to do anything about it, but he felt sad about it so apparently that makes it alright. ;_;

>they betrayed him at the first opportunity and the metal jaw guy was hinting they could ally with "bigger fish" than Silco
Bro, did you actually watch the show? Yes they were all ready to sell out Silco and kept trying him, but he kept them under his thumb with money and by force. That's exactly why he had to do the bad shit he did. You don't keep gangsters in line with dreams and promises.

If you really think the chem barons would've been better for Zaun if they weren't actively being wrangled by Silco, I think you've been watching the wrong show because it certainly wasn't Arcane.

There were no chembarons in his time because there was no chem to baron over
Back then proti-Zaun's economy consisted of pickpocketing and prostitution

>Vander's power which offers global protection but does not protect individuals.
Vander had no power after the failed revolution, he was just a useful Quisling. And a "global protection" that protects nobody is no protection at all. This whole "b-but Vander actually kept Zaun safe" argument is just headcanon cope. Piltover had the run of Zaun and Silco's gangs were the only ones pushing back, for better or worse

It literally did. But this is beside the point Silko was playing a long game. Vander was playing a loosing one.

Well, Rome wasn't built in a day and you are really fricking stupid to expect it to be. Revolutions cost money and manpower. You literally cannot win without eithher. When the usurper has all of the tramp cards, you must find less morally sound ways of procure the budget by collusion with enemy states or through ceiminal activity.

Literally not a single fricking change was achieved by playing by the book. The difference between the people you mention and Silco is that the latter is a fricking fictional character with a (nearly) unwavering belief in his cause. Before Jinx entered the picture he would've easily casted away the operation, his life and everything else he had if it meant to make his dream of independent zaun a reality.

vs exactly the same but with shimmer addiction and more internal inequalities under Silco

Yeah, they were co-dependent and influenced each other. That's not up for debate. Jinx just took what she learned from Silco and used it as motivation to attack Piltover, scaring them into making a deal, something he failed to do despite having many years to do it.

>She managed to get a lucky find that retroactively made all of her previous frickups negligible. But it was still nothing but pure luck on her part, not some sort of benefit she consistently brought to the table.
She didn't "get lucky". She knew that Silco was pissed off that Piltover was surpassing Zaun because of hextech and she made a plan to secure some hextech herself. Silco was only angry about the dead Enforcers, since he was paying Marcus off, but once he saw what she got him, his tune changed. And then she began to work on a hextech weapon, which Silco encouraged her to do since he finally had something to scare Piltover with, and it was all thanks to Jinx.

>So why didn't he attack Topside once he became one of Zaun's big fish?
Piltower was always a step ahead. A revolt would have been a failure.. which is why he kept on growing shimmer armies.

>Piltower was always a step ahead.
Yes, and hextech leveled the playing field, and he wouldn't have had access to hextech if it wasn't for Jinx.

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>Silco himself needed Jinx to do the things he couldn't, like attack Topside and keep his infection in check with shimmer.
He had plenty of disposable grunts he could use, and the idea that only Jinx could handle an injection is just silly. He could've built a fricking machine to do it for him

You're right that the shimmer injector is a symbol, but it's a symbol for the unconditional trust he has in Jinx. To everyone else she's a dangerous lunatic, but to him he's someone he trusts with his life. And of course, it's a trust she keeps violating again and again (illustrated by how she ends up "torturing" him with said symbol of trust), but he keeps forgiving her again and again because he loves her. Silco's entire tale is one of a desperate struggle where cold, calculated villainy triumphs over emotion (i.e. cruel Silco succeeding where kind Vander failed) that ends up failing anyway because in one instance he chose love over common sense. Hell there's an entre scene that specifically exists to literally explain this to the moron audience but apparently people here are still too dense to get it.

Anon, it seems like we're in agreement here. Silco loved and trusted Jinx, and he became dependent on her as she was the only person he could somewhat lower his guard around. That trust was broken for Jinx when it came out that Vi was still alive.

>"he was completely dependent on her for practical things like injecting his medicine which he couldn't do himself" (deranged nonsense)
We literally see him fumbling with the injector before Jinx swoops in and begins stabbing his face. What do you think that's supposed to imply?
>"he loved her and didn't want to lose her" (literally what the show is about).
I don't disagree with that. I'm just pointing out specifics.

>She was in the right place at the right time. Had the genius duo failed to come up with anything, she would have returned empty handed.
Had Jayce and Viktor failed to come up with anything, there wouldn't be any hextech in Piltover to begin with. They made their breakthrough when Jinx was still Powder and had been working on it ever since.

I think you're selling Jinx really short here, too. She knew what Silco was angry about, had an idea to change that and carried out a plan.

>What she stole is a completely new piece of technology still in try out stages. It's all their discoveries up to this point neatly packaged in easy to pickpocket form.
You're forgetting that she already knows what hextech looks like. Granted, back then, it was still unrefined, but it's not a huge leap to assume that the smooth hextech gems used to be the rough, unrefined hextech gems.
>Jinx had literally zero idea this prototype had existed, she just got lucky.
She knew what she was looking for and exactly where it was being held. She didn't just wander in, hoping to find something. It was an actual heist.

>She did intend to do a heist, but she had no fricking way of knowing she would find a jackpot.
>Jinx did get incredibly lucky. So many things went in her favour. I have no idea how you can argue otherwise.
I'm telling you, she knew where the gemstone was. She didn't simply blunder it. Watch the Progress Day scene again. She distracts the guards outside with a fire and an explosion, and then casually walks into the building with a bag on her back. That bag probably had all of the paint she used to cover the walls of the room where the gemstone was being held with graffiti. If she had just gotten lucky, she wouldn't have planned it so well.

>r/asianmasculinity got killed by sevika
>noseless woman ran away from town in fear
It feels to convenient for Jinx to only have to kill 2 chembarons to take over but hey they gotta keep the pace fast

There's more chembarons. Watch both the scene in S1 where Silco and Sevika go to meet them and the shot in the teaser trailer of them standing outside that building with the giant metal head. Smeech, the yordle chembaron, is one of them.

nta but jinx didn't steal just the gemstone. she also stole the apparatus in pic related, without it she could never have figured out how to activate the hexgem's powers by using certain runes. she did get lucky here; she jinxed the turn of events in silco's favor.

She also got Jayce's notes

it was all three items:
>hextech gem
>apparatus
>research notes
jinx knows a good steal when she sees it.

She also got Jayce's notes

Not n Jayce's mandate, he became jaded and careless by the end of it, he would've rolled over the status quo from before.
yes on paper, politically it's better that they stay united but there still needs to be some change at the brains

So what you're saying is Silco had no long term plan because he didn't think he'd get that far?

Not Tahm. Something else, but clearly a god of sorts.

Well, we do know that Arcane did start out as an adaption of normal league lore. Maybe that frog did start out as Tahm but was changed into a frog because it really does sound like Tahm.

Anakin is like that as well. You think angels don't have context?

Wonder if we'll see anything of the sort here.

One of the questions the show asks is whether or not Jinx is a monster and if she can be redeemed. Is it really all her fault or is she just making the most of the shit hand life dealt her, and is facing the consequences for it as a result?

>She's perfect.
She's perfection manifest, a miracle of the universe and a goddess among us mere mortals.

>They wouldn't have unified all lore and created a group of people to specifically make sure it's consistent
They literally did that 10 years ago anon... guess what happened? It got monetized to shit, things broke off, and they had to reset. Why are these resets happening? Because they demand that everything be canon when it doesn't have to be, canon is an illusion. Arcane is and will always be better than everything that came before it no matter whether it's canon or not. People will care about it more than everything else no matter whether it's canon or not.

>In this same thread you have people who think some of the retcons were shit and I concur
I guarantee the things you think are shit are not relevant to the story of Arcane... and that's why they got changed. Arcane was not made to be canon, it was made to be its own thing with its own story and the setting changes were made to cater to this very specific story. It's not meant for the larger world.

>And that's okay because, since you're clearly not a LoL fan, your time with the Arcane characters end this November. That's the way it's gonna be.
Nope because they're making it canon and shoehorning it into actual lol stuff, kek.
>Many LoL players even hate what Arcane did to some characters like Jinx
You said it yourself, right here. They wouldn't have to be upset if Arcane was allowed to be it's own thing

Also your being all high and mighty about being a lol fan would be really funny if you knew how much I've invested into this IP. I'll end off by escalating your passive aggression to regular aggression and calling you a moronic homosexual for thinking making Arcane canon is anything, but a short sighted money grabbing ploy that disproves you're entire last paragraph. This is happening because the vast vast vast majority of humans on this planet know that Arcane is better than what came before it, Riot recognizes that too and they're capitalizing in the wrong way. Last (You).