Yeah. everything was shot on glorious film and with peak cinematography
if you get rid of all the film grain you turn your actors into wax figures.
the process today certainly works a lot better than when they remastered predator, but it still looks wierd.
>get rid of all the film grain
Absolute fricking moron.
Right isn't blue, it's consider daylight or 5000-5500 kelvin. Above that is when it starts getting noticeably cold and anything below gets noticeably warm. Horror movies tend to go cold, while action goes warm.
if you get rid of all the film grain you turn your actors into wax figures.
the process today certainly works a lot better than when they remastered predator, but it still looks wierd.
Right looks worse. Not an issue of "is ai good" or not, someone still had to apply the AI and they did a shit job just like smoothed dogshit like This one isn't AI either but it's another perfect example of trying to "fix" something and making it much worse. AI tools just makes this happen more often.
There needs to stop being an obsession on "fixing" things without restoring the original first. Just go do a better scan of the prints.
I think that screenshot has fricked up colors because it's an HDR disc. Screengrabs of those always look wrong on a non-HDR display if you don't spend time calibrating the colors.
That's a different thing. It's just denoising. Early dvd's all looked like that because bit rates were so low that they had to get rid of noise, or else it'd look really ugly.
But it scratches so easily, that's my only problem. At least blu ray is more resilient. But I hate having to watch 4k vs blu ray comparison vids of movies and seeing the color grading completely fricking change in 4k
I was ready to try and get into this until I watched a video about one guy’s setup and he started in with time base this and passthrough that, it’s a fricking lifestyle
Maybe if you're trying to watch them on a modern TV. People pay stupid money for upscalers just to make them watchable on their 4k/OLED tv. I think that's a waste of time. I use an Sony Trinitrion CRT and some discs approach DVD video quality
Is there one out there? I haven't really looked, but I assumed the DTheater or the Amazon 1080p webrip were the best versions available.
I'd gladly download a properly scanned 4k fan version of True Lies if it's available. Same with The Abyss, Terminator 2, and Aliens - the other films James Cameron went full moron remastering.
>Is there one out there?
Yeah, it looks great. Being from a very well-preserved theatrical print, it's the only version of the film out there that retains the original stylized colors.
I bet close to 99% of the people who have 4k tv's don't actually watch anything higher resolution than 1080p on it. Netflix charges $23 a month for 4k now.
I certainly don't, even though I pay for 4k on all the services I use. I'm on a data cap and it's just easier to watch everything on 1080p and be happy with it. 4k consumes just too much.
>As resolutions increase this degenerate shit has to be forced for the sake of compression.
Bullshit. Predator is a perfect example. That was a filtered smoothskin wax figure abomination at first. But they released a new 4k version later with all the grain and detail intact, and it looks fantastic.
>compression
This is only a problem because people abandoned physical media and went all in on streaming. Even 1080p looks like utter dogshit on streaming services.
>washed out and flat
Is this the new pissfilter and blue night filter cope? It looks drastically different is some kind of paypig cue to say it’s better. But really it just looks like shitty coliur balancing.
“Muh physical media”
“Muh 4k”
Physical media doesn't prevent bad "remasters" you still need companies that understand that grain isn't a bad thing and to do the work getting a higher quality transfer than existed before.
i feel like grain blends the picture together nicely and 'hides' special effects better and in older rescanned cartoons, it feels more like cast in one piece/unit with the backgrounds. its very noticeable in batman beyond, when they switch mid second season to digital production and it looks worse (missing grain being one of the elements adding to that)
I think it's mainly that grain blends the live and VFX footage together because it gives both the same grainy texture, it's like an extra step of compositing.
Grain is just an extra texture, it's not good or bad but it's not a mistake and it's not something that should be removed or corrected. It'd be like watching Barry Lyndon or The Thing then amping up the gamma during any of the dark scenes. Or doing pan and scan because boomers couldn't handle their entire screen not being filled.
This isn't a "company" thing, it's a James Cameron thing. He's personally overseen and personally destroyed every film of his released on disc since the blu-ray days and he's only getting worse with age. True Lies is the worst of the bunch, but the new Aliens 4K is somehow even worse than the already dogshit blu-ray release. Titanic suffers too, apparently, but I haven't looked at it.
>Data Hoarder Chads vindicated again
suck my dick Cinemaphile
should've started hoarding years ago like I told you when they removed President Trump from Home Alone 2
>both look good when they are tiny images
No shit. The point of the AI upscaling is that without it things are a blurry pixelated mess on bigger screens with high resolution, and AI upscaling even though not perfect tends to solve a good deal of it. The only issue is that the technology needs to mature a bit more and they are jumping the gun on it
i hate the future i hate the future I HATE THE FUTURE I HATE THE FUTURE AAAAAaaaaAAAaaaaa why wont it end aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i hate hate hate it please lord make it stop make it end i don't care how or why or what just please let it be over already make the sun do something and take away all our computers forever or make them release some plastic eating bacteria to combat environmental disasters but it accidentally makes plastic products just impossible to maintain i just want it to be over please
pretty please ;-;
Right looks fake and sterile because the depth of field is fricked up, Tom Arnold is slightly out of focus in the original and sharpening him up makes it look artificial
Most consumers literally do not even notice. I'm assuming one day companies will just be paid to run DVD/bluray scans through AI upscaling and that will be the 4k market.
The way the movies looked in the 80s and 90s is part of the charm about them.
Yep. Movies should have color
this.
Frick modern movies
That image is desaturated because of HDR/DV. If you don't tonemap it, you get a very washed out image.
Exactly right. It's all part of the cinematography of each era.
Yeah. everything was shot on glorious film and with peak cinematography
>get rid of all the film grain
Absolute fricking moron.
All it did was apply some DNR and adjust the color temp to be more neutral.
blue is not neutral. are you colorblind?
Right isn't blue, it's consider daylight or 5000-5500 kelvin. Above that is when it starts getting noticeably cold and anything below gets noticeably warm. Horror movies tend to go cold, while action goes warm.
No, they applied AI upscaling. It looks even worse in motion. You can see their faces shift and morph like it was run through TopazAI.
It really doesn't though
Too much uncanny shit
if you get rid of all the film grain you turn your actors into wax figures.
the process today certainly works a lot better than when they remastered predator, but it still looks wierd.
Right looks worse. Not an issue of "is ai good" or not, someone still had to apply the AI and they did a shit job just like smoothed dogshit like This one isn't AI either but it's another perfect example of trying to "fix" something and making it much worse. AI tools just makes this happen more often.
There needs to stop being an obsession on "fixing" things without restoring the original first. Just go do a better scan of the prints.
SVOUL vs SVOULLESS
left looks human-made, hand-made
because it cant distinguish between texture and film grain
Fortunately the more recent 4k version of Predator looks much better. I'm glad they unfricked that one.
>Sacrificed colour to preserve grain
I think that screenshot has fricked up colors because it's an HDR disc. Screengrabs of those always look wrong on a non-HDR display if you don't spend time calibrating the colors.
The screengrabs look wrong on all displays simply because jpg doesn't support HDR.
yes.
a comparison
do all 4k movies move at 30-40 fps?
Frick no. That webm has some sort of shit motion smoothing applied to it.
No, they're almost always your standard 23.976 or 24.
Oh god, look at these slimy/gelatin-ny upscaled frames
damn it even had motion frickery going on
i wouldnt notice or think about this even i watched them back to back without an autist pointing it out to me
>doesn't notice film grain and believes it to be something only autistic people do
is this the true power of a double digit IQ?
That's a different thing. It's just denoising. Early dvd's all looked like that because bit rates were so low that they had to get rid of noise, or else it'd look really ugly.
*farts in your mouth with your bait thread*
or go to the doctor with your eye/brain problems
You know what the next step is.
>we took every attractive woman OUT of these classic films... and heres why thats a GOOD thing...
>does everyone in this movie NEED to be white?...
>adjusts colours
Ruined the movie.
The facial lines are fricked.
It's really only useful for removing film grain from low quality (aka tv/vhs) sources.
DVD is the best media to collect because it predates remaster shit.
But it scratches so easily, that's my only problem. At least blu ray is more resilient. But I hate having to watch 4k vs blu ray comparison vids of movies and seeing the color grading completely fricking change in 4k
> cuts your head off with a laserdisc
Based. Laserdisc is the patrician's choice.
I was ready to try and get into this until I watched a video about one guy’s setup and he started in with time base this and passthrough that, it’s a fricking lifestyle
Maybe if you're trying to watch them on a modern TV. People pay stupid money for upscalers just to make them watchable on their 4k/OLED tv. I think that's a waste of time. I use an Sony Trinitrion CRT and some discs approach DVD video quality
You have to be baiting because AI noise reduction and recoloring objectively OBJECTIVELY looks like sicked up green dog shit
do u really think he'd do that
go on the internet and lie
Why does AI replace the colour with a Blue-grey tint.
sheeeit ai seasoned old movies das ist krieg!
I actually watched True Lies on D+ 2 weeks ago by chance without knowing it had been enhanced. It looked great.
'enhanced'
you mean completely distorted. i've seen what it does when colouring and upscaling old film. it fricks everyone's faces up.
uncompressed dvd quality is good enough for me
What an awful placement of subs
Arnold used to hate pedos, now he defends them
try harder
that picture is not in 4k stupid frick there both shit
I think with True Lies, I'll stick with my 1080p SVHS rip. And with Abyss, the 1080p HDTV version.
>SVHS
homie thats dvhs. poser
>1080p SVHS rip
Why not just download the fan-made high quality film scan made from a theatrical print? Looks far better
Is there one out there? I haven't really looked, but I assumed the DTheater or the Amazon 1080p webrip were the best versions available.
I'd gladly download a properly scanned 4k fan version of True Lies if it's available. Same with The Abyss, Terminator 2, and Aliens - the other films James Cameron went full moron remastering.
>Is there one out there?
Yeah, it looks great. Being from a very well-preserved theatrical print, it's the only version of the film out there that retains the original stylized colors.
Care to share a link?
For true lies the old disney+ web-dl is better imo. The new one that replaced it is the same as the fricked blu-ray release.
If you’re a soulless pajeet
>mfw a videotape rip from over two decades ago looks better than a modern 4k "enhanced" release.
Is this the rip? This is beautiful.
Going by the filename, anon ripped it from a D-Theater copy of the movie, which was a VHS format that supported 1080i in the late 90s/early 00s..
thanks 'enhancers' but stop that shit.
I dont want every old film to look like 'a scanner darkly' thanks.
GIMME THE GODDAMN PAGE!
>life in plastic
>it's fantastic!
SAAR SMOOTH SKIN = GOOD
I think you might be the autistic one because the faces on the right looks like they're covered in a layer of plastic.
As resolutions increase this degenerate shit has to be forced for the sake of compression.
Thankyou to everyone who bought a 4k tv.
I bet close to 99% of the people who have 4k tv's don't actually watch anything higher resolution than 1080p on it. Netflix charges $23 a month for 4k now.
I certainly don't, even though I pay for 4k on all the services I use. I'm on a data cap and it's just easier to watch everything on 1080p and be happy with it. 4k consumes just too much.
4k is useless if youre not watching on a projector or gigantic screen anyway.
>As resolutions increase this degenerate shit has to be forced for the sake of compression.
Bullshit. Predator is a perfect example. That was a filtered smoothskin wax figure abomination at first. But they released a new 4k version later with all the grain and detail intact, and it looks fantastic.
>compression
This is only a problem because people abandoned physical media and went all in on streaming. Even 1080p looks like utter dogshit on streaming services.
>washed out and flat
Is this the new pissfilter and blue night filter cope? It looks drastically different is some kind of paypig cue to say it’s better. But really it just looks like shitty coliur balancing.
“Muh physical media”
“Muh 4k”
It doesn't. Upscaling is like sprinkling glitter over a piece of shyte.
or more so sprinkling shyte over a piece of gold
It absolutely does not.
I'm pissed at all those shitty 4k AI upscales that's flooding torrent sites.
What a fricking waste of swarm bandwidth.
>enhanced
i think not
This is the same shit as brickwalled music "remasters". Maybe even worse, because AI is more moronic than most moronic sound engineer.
Grain is love, grain is life.
>t.
>Right objectively looks better than left
No. Right looks messed up. Left looks real.
first they came for the film grain, and I did not speak out
camera adds 10 pounds.
AI adds 20 years.
look at those wrinkles, jeez.
moronic. The only thing AI should be doing to old movies is installing nude mods.
why would you suck the color out?
You fricking moron.
>enhanced
looks only good in porn for some reason
It's a god damn nightmare trying to figure out which version of a movie to get these days
gay modern blue filter ugly ai enhancement looks trash ill keep my grainy movies tyvm
Physical media doesn't prevent bad "remasters" you still need companies that understand that grain isn't a bad thing and to do the work getting a higher quality transfer than existed before.
i feel like grain blends the picture together nicely and 'hides' special effects better and in older rescanned cartoons, it feels more like cast in one piece/unit with the backgrounds. its very noticeable in batman beyond, when they switch mid second season to digital production and it looks worse (missing grain being one of the elements adding to that)
I think it's mainly that grain blends the live and VFX footage together because it gives both the same grainy texture, it's like an extra step of compositing.
Grain is just an extra texture, it's not good or bad but it's not a mistake and it's not something that should be removed or corrected. It'd be like watching Barry Lyndon or The Thing then amping up the gamma during any of the dark scenes. Or doing pan and scan because boomers couldn't handle their entire screen not being filled.
This isn't a "company" thing, it's a James Cameron thing. He's personally overseen and personally destroyed every film of his released on disc since the blu-ray days and he's only getting worse with age. True Lies is the worst of the bunch, but the new Aliens 4K is somehow even worse than the already dogshit blu-ray release. Titanic suffers too, apparently, but I haven't looked at it.
And OP knows nothing about film. He thinks clean, shinny and smooth is better.
Films are not wall paint.
OP is being contrarian on purpose to get anons to reply and prove him easily wrong. I dont like it, but thats how it works around here.
>Data Hoarder Chads vindicated again
suck my dick Cinemaphile
should've started hoarding years ago like I told you when they removed President Trump from Home Alone 2
You have to see it in motion to really appreciate just how uncanny valley the shit actually looks.
>tom's head has noticeably expanded and stretched accordingly
>facial lines stand out in high relief now
>skin extra shiny like plastic.
>both look good when they are tiny images
No shit. The point of the AI upscaling is that without it things are a blurry pixelated mess on bigger screens with high resolution, and AI upscaling even though not perfect tends to solve a good deal of it. The only issue is that the technology needs to mature a bit more and they are jumping the gun on it
People like films to look like they were filmed and not a 10am soap opera on a digital camcorder.
start getting physical media bros
they're going to ruin every streaming service with fake versions of your movies
i hate the future i hate the future I HATE THE FUTURE I HATE THE FUTURE AAAAAaaaaAAAaaaaa why wont it end aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i hate hate hate it please lord make it stop make it end i don't care how or why or what just please let it be over already make the sun do something and take away all our computers forever or make them release some plastic eating bacteria to combat environmental disasters but it accidentally makes plastic products just impossible to maintain i just want it to be over please
pretty please ;-;
>t. israelite movie executive/indian CGI artist
How is it possible that they think that looks good? They're just turning each frame into a painting.
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>No chat
How am I supposed to shitpost with the rest of Cinemaphile
might need to change browser or something, there is chat
now The Silence of the Lambs, next The Matrix
That's James Cameron's fault isn't?
Terminator 2 was also butchered, one of the few 4K DNR releases that I ended up watching accidentally.
Right looks fake and sterile because the depth of field is fricked up, Tom Arnold is slightly out of focus in the original and sharpening him up makes it look artificial
Upscaling should only be used on old porn. For frick's sake, movies are now going to look like they were uploaded into porn sites lol
Most consumers literally do not even notice. I'm assuming one day companies will just be paid to run DVD/bluray scans through AI upscaling and that will be the 4k market.