Exactly. If nothing else, the movies are at least a lot of fun (except that last one). Also I dont give a frick about the RE games so I dont care if they changed things.
She's a Mary Sue. Isn't she married to the director or something? She's an OC Donut Steel, nothing else. The focus of the movies should've been on Jill.
How does that make sense? Anderson didn't direct Resident Evil Apocalypse and Resident Evil Extinction. How is Milla being the lead actress any different to Tom Cruise being the lead actor in the Mission Impossible films? It reeks of jealousy.
arent RE MCs supposed to be just that? I just played 4 and Leon is portrayed as the pinnacle of human beings. I watched a bit of a movie recently and it gave me a similar vibe. Meanwhile Netflix RE's MC is not only a Mary Sue, but she's also an insufferable girl boss. It also doesnt help that they try to convince me that she's just a regular person when both RE games and movies have the protagonists be these kind of superhumans
> I just played 4 and Leon is portrayed as the pinnacle of human beings.
He gets his ass kicked several times. Mendez whoops him twice, the first time resulting in him getting injected with the plagas and the second time Ada has to save him. Krauser gets the better of him in the knife fight and Ada saves him again.
>He gets his ass kicked several times.
The exact same thing happens to Alice, so it's weird to single her for it. She spends the entirely of the final movie getting the shit beaten out of her. She gets captured by bandits and almost fed to dogs in the opening scene of the third movie, and Isaacs absolutely BTFOs her. The only reason she wins is because the other Alice clone activates the laser corridor.
Anderson's flicks are terrible, only contrarians and people seething because muh black wesker defend them online. The action is headache inducing, the dialogue is cringe, the acting is wooden.
netflix re is bad, and I'll admit, more boring, but it has better acting and writing, more interesting side characters and its more pretty to look at. wtrc, being a mediocre movie, remains king of re live action.
netflix re's mc gets her ass handed to her multiple times, she has to be saved by a lot of people and she makes some really bad choices that lead to people dying.
I'll agree that they're both bad but at least Anderson's movies are a fun kind of bad. They're just schlocky action movies masquerading as RE movies. The Netflix show is a CW drama masquerading as an RE show which is even worse though.
>The action is headache inducing, the dialogue is cringe, the acting is wooden.
The dialogue is brisk. All the films were written by Anderson, and he has a tense but effective way of writing. He also prioritizes a fast pace above character development. All of Anderson's films are like that. Even the others he didn't direct are like that. It's an aesthetic. One of his best films is Soldier with Kurt Russel, where the character Todd barely speaks the entire film.
>netflix re's mc gets her ass handed to her multiple times, she has to be saved by a lot of people and she makes some really bad choices that lead to people dying.
my problem is that despite that she acts like girlboss who can do no wrong ALWAYS. You would believe that someone who made really big mistakes before would be a little humble yet she still acts the same as before the apocalypse
Supposedly Anderson and Capcom had talked, and back in the 90s Capcom were planning on taking Resident Evil in a superhuman direction. Think X-Men. Code Veronica was not random in its focus on superhuman resurrected Wesker and Alexia and stuff. That was the intended future direction of the series. And the films took that ball and ran with it. The games dialed it back a bit, but they continually go down that road.
With Sherry being super regenerative and Jake being wesker lite they basically were going there eventually. Even Ethan with him being an undead mold man
Yea, it's a recurring idea. There is an argument to be made that Capcom were emboldened by Alice from Apocalypse and Extinction to push superhuman Sherry and superhuman Jake, and Jake even fights Ustanak hand to hand like Alice in Apocalypse. But really it's deep in RE's DNA. Capcom never intended RE to be this vanilla horror series about zombies. It's kinda like Assassin's Creed, where this larger scale lore stuff and creative direction is constantly under the surface, but a lot of people don't notice it.
>Zombies
RE wasn't all about zombies, it's actually about a lot of sci-fi,body horror, and b-movie tier things. Zombies are not what RE is about as a whole. Do you know what a BOW is?
RE4 was lucky shot because it was made by guy who wanted to do anything but RE4. He latter made DMC which was originaly ment to be RE4. Otherwise, dont botter. RE4 has one the most obnoxius and rabbid fanbase
The CGI movies are actually okay, it's Infinite Darkness that I felt really shat the bed. And all this to tell us why Leon and Claire was never happening.
Infinite Darkness worst part was how dull and generic it’s ending was with the guy suddenly turning into a tyrant because every single one of the cgi movies must end with a big fight against a Tyrant monster apparently.
The CGI movies are abysmal. Rejected game plots that are still structured and assembled like games. "talking scene" -> "action scene" -> "talking scene" ...
Terrible, terrible films. So boring, just worse video games on every level.
The question is why would you? They don't stand on their own as action movies and they certainly aren't faithful adaptations in any way.
I bet you watched that video essay on Jackie Chan's directing once and felt really fricking proud of yourself for *getting it* you little homosexual. Anybody who thinks "faithful adaptation" is a good or useful criteria for anything should have their eyes gouged out.
Even for the time, that choreography work was fricking bad, anon. I forgive the original mortal kombat film for abusing camera-switching just because the movie was such good cheese, but RE doesn't have that excuse.
Every time you see the camera change on a shot to cover up something the actors were afraid to take or couldn't make work, is a fricking embarrasment, and that clip is loaded with them.
>Every time you see the camera change on a shot to cover up something the actors were afraid to take or couldn't make work, is a fricking embarrasment, and that clip is loaded with them.
Nah, it's just the style of the time. Extinction, Afterlife, and Retribution had the same editor, Niven Howie, and he cuts on every impact without fail. He did the same thing on Dawn of the Dead (2004).
Character swings melee weapon, head snaps back, cut. Every time. It's a deliberate decision. The editing on the final RE movie is a whole other kettle of fish because they hired the guy who edited this to do it.
You see it here, too. This is a completely different director. (The guy who made Highlander.) And it cuts to a different angle every time someone gets hit. I feel like this approach to editing was something that gained traction when digital post-production took over. Back when editing was splicing film, you couldn't cut this fast and hard.
>The netflix adaptation was objectively better
Fricking lol. It's a CW tier show at best. Get some fricking standards jesus christ. >more faithful to the games
Arguable. There were more nods to the games and I will grant you the puzzle episode came close to feeling like an RE adaptation but the movies had plenty of nods as well and were at least wrapped in an action movie package instead of teen drama shit.
>The Netflix adaptation was objectively better
maybe so but it was shit!
honestly i liked the teen/ father mystery- thriller leading up to the apocalypse aspect. they should have focused on that a spent more money on hiring better writers and supporting actors. they had some good things there like injecting their blood and the creepy town etc.
>Anderson is uwe with a budget.
People who say this have not actually seen Uwe's movies. Anderson is a legitimately skilled and passionate filmmaker.
Anderson also wrote every Resident Evil film. The man has writing chops, directing chops, producing chops. He knows what he's doing, and he's typically been able to make lemonade from lemons when shit goes badly wrong during production.
Uwe Boll is incompetent as a filmmaker, and people who've worked with him shit-talk how bad he is at making movies.
Anderson is a visionary director. Uwe Boll has never created genre-defining films like the first Resident Evil or Event Horizon. He's an incompetent hack.
No. Anderson is Zack Snyder without a budget, and Zack Snyder if Zack Snyder could actually write movies instead of paying Chris Terrio and David Goyer to write them for him. The biggest budgeted movie Anderson has ever made was about 65 million. Snyder has repeatedly pissed 200-300 million dollars up the wall with his huge budget superhero films. We can only imagine the kind of movies Anderson could make on that kind of movie.
Honestly I always liked the third movie. Making a zombie apocalypse road movie with some elements borrowed from mad max was a pretty interesting decision. It stands out from the rest and I'd say it's even better than the first two parts.
Only if you pay attention to a group of morons.
Posts can’t be assassinated from the shadows, anons have to expose themselves and their power levels to try their contrarianism on.
Group think? Maybe. Hivemind? Nahhhh.
I disagree with the premise of the thread. The PWSA Resident Evil films are fundamentally different to the Netflix series. The Netflix series is not a "shitshow". It's just not the kind of RE project that would get made if Anderson were still in charge. It's the equivalent of all those DC movies they've made without Snyder, like Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. It's not bad, it's just tonally off, and lacking the sense of nuance that made Snyder's DC films work, and Anderson's RE films work. Just as people are begging for Man of Steel 2, there is a tendency to beg for Anderson to come back, but I think the show has real potential, and Season 1 was enjoyable.
>Season 1 was enjoyable
You must have very low fricking standards. I have a high tolerance for CW style shows and I struggled to get through this. There are a few flecks of gold in this log of shit but calling it enjoyable is a huge fricking stretch.
I like the show's camp tone, and I think the central mystery of what Evelyn is up to carries the show. The post-apocalyptic plotline is weaker. There's a rumour that the film company Constantin wanted an apocalyptic show where Milla could cameo, but Netflix wanted a teen drama. So the show is a compromise between these two ideas. And as with Welcome to Raccoon City blending RE1 and RE2, it's not necessarily the best approach.
Only the first 3. The ones after it are alright for meme value and being funny slop. Not to say the first 3 are great films or anything, but they have their charm and place.
Does anyone else find Welcome to Raccoon City completely bizarre?
85% of it is so absurdly faithful to the source material, down to the sets and costumes and plot points. But then you have the mansion/Raccoon City incidents reversed and condensed into one, as well as weird shit like Chris and Claire not having talked for 5 years. Then you have the casting which is passable half the time with characters like Chris and Claire but then you have Jill who might as well be a brand new character. Leon is a Hispanic for some reason and it's weird because I actually like the portrayal. Even though they flanderize the FRICK out of him and make him this hyper-incompetant goofball that's always sleeping and fricking up and being everyone's punching bag. I thought he was still charming but why couldn't they have just got an actor that actually looks like Leon? It's not even that I hate minorities. Wesker was a white guy with blonde hair and it was a big miscast. I like the actor but he's too brutish/goofy/aloof. Wesker is supposed to be a lean, calm and slick motherfricker that's playing everyone. Not some bonehead jock.
All in all I don't think I can say I enjoyed it, but I didn't hate it like I did the TV series and I honestly give them some credit for the accuracy they did go for. Because it's a lot more than 99% of adaptions go for.
>Wesker is supposed to be a lean, calm and slick motherfricker that's playing everyone. Not some bonehead jock.
All adaptations of RE1 change Wesker. George Romero's adaptation that was never filmed turned him into a jaded veteran of the Gulf War or something like that who betrays the group because he wants the good life. But Barry saved his life, and he believes in paying back people who've done right by him. Also, he can't shoot Jill in cold blood. The version of Wesker in WTRC seems influenced by Romero Wesker. And Anderson came up with Spence, who was basically the same character.
K-mart is a completely separate chain that merged with Sears and ultimately closed down about a decade ago. Wal-Mart is named after Sam Walton who opened the first Walton Grocery in Rogers, Arkansas. >t. lives two blocks away from Wal-Mart HQ
Yeah australia K-Mart even uses the older version of the logo.
I still find it hilarious that there is a character in this franchise named K-Mart.
Well to be fair they found her in an abandoned K-Mart and there's still plenty of those around.
There's even a fairly recent Walmart that was abandoned because the place was built on a landfill and the entire complex is literally sinking/health hazard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_View_Center
You can give anybody that hairstyle. The rest of him has to fit the voice, the personality, the charisma. Nothing on The Boys suggests he'd be a good Wesker.
>>Then Alice literally breaks into the scene flying through a window on a motorcycle
A fantastic homage to the way The Terminator shows up to save the day in Terminator 2 and Terminator 3.
Where exactly did Paul W.S. Anderson hate come from? He spearheaded the first (and only) videogame adaptation to get several sequels. He made the first MK movie. He made a really iconic horror movie, Event Horizon. I don't quite get where the internet animosity comes from, or how it's rationalized.
John Carpenter doesn't get hate for spending the entire 90s making a string of critically savaged flops. Anderson made successful films. His job was to make successful and popular Resident Evil movies. That's why he was hired. The movies got sequels because people liked them. "Well I think they were bad." That's beside the point. As an anon said, it feels like jealousy and bitterness that Anderson's movies succeeded while all the competing adaptations flopped. That's why people lionize Romero despite Romero's adaptation of RE1 being hugely different to the game. I think people had this bizarre idea that Anderson's films got in the way of some "faithful" RE adaptation. Maybe that's where the seething about Alice comes from? Alice is a rewritten Jill created so the films could have a main character Capcom wouldn't control. The whole thing is weird to me. What exactly did people think was going to happen?
You're arguments are very childish and sound like "haters going to hate". I never played any of the Resident Evil games before the films and thought some of the movies where ok but as a movie only watcher, you can really tell quality was compromised to keep the films a Milla vanity project. It would have been a lot better if some of the other characters had been allowed a more prominent part, looking back they feel drained of character. I was actually looking forward to the Finally when it looked like it would be a fun team up, but then they do away with that off screen and just make it the Milla movie again.
The movies did ok, but they would have rotted in obscurity if the games didn't keep the brand alive.
>The movies did ok, but they would have rotted in obscurity if the games didn't keep the brand alive.
The films never needed the games. It's like saying that Underworld would rot in obscurity without World of Darkness.
>you can really tell quality was compromised to keep the films a Milla vanity project. It would have been a lot better if some of the other characters had been allowed a more prominent part, looking back they feel drained of character.
The secret to the success of the RE movies is that they have a singular protagonist, and the movies all revolve around that protagonist. The traditional action star formula allows supporting characters to be helpful, but they cannot be more prominent. John Wick must always be the one in charge. Ethan Hunt must always save the day. James Bond must be the center of attention. It had nothing to do with Milla Jovovich and everything to do with "anyone can be lead as long as Capcom don't own them". The whole reason Alice exists is because Jill belongs to Capcom. And once the RE sequels were made, Alice remained the protagonist because she's the focus. They are largely chase movies that follow this singular protag, like the John Wick films. The only caveat I would concede is that the fast pacing of the RE movies means that the cast isn't as fleshed out as they might be, but that was a conscious decision to keep the runtimes down. None of the movies are longer than 100 minutes. They could spend an extra 20 minutes on Claire, but that would slow the movie down.
We never got enough Claire, but it's not really a big deal because she's really not that special outside of her brother.
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Anonymous
Claire is actually the most common supporting co-protag, appearing in Extinction, Afterlife, and Final Chapter. Half the movies she's paired up with Alice.
Another loose rule is that men could never protagonists. Carlos bends the rule a little bit, but there's a reason you have Rain, and Jill, and Claire, and Ada. These female characters exist to be partnered with Alice. So you were never going to get an RE movie where Chris was large and in charge. It didn't fit with the girl power brand. Chris existed as Claire's brother, wheras a more male oriented franchise would treat Claire as Chris's sister.
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Anonymous
I only watched the first two movies, that was enough for me.
A protagonist is important because it anchors the audiences point of view but what you're describing are action movies where good guy action hero beats mafia/terrorists, Alice was never good enough of a character to do that. Success is a bit of a stretch, the movies had middling success up until the final few that where lucky to be released during a period where China where lapping up any action movies America was making, in fact that's why they neuter the violence and have some random asian dude be a better fighter than Alice in the final film, I think that may be the only non-enhanced character that ever gets the better of her.
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Anonymous
>Success is a bit of a stretch, the movies had middling success up until the final few that where lucky to be released during a period where China where lapping up any action movies America was making
The most successful film (in terms of money they actually made) was Afterlife, which made 21 million in China, 300 million globally. China was only really a factor for Final Chapter. Japan was a bigger box office region for Resident Evil overall. >in fact that's why they neuter the violence
No, that was a thing from the start. The company is German. They booted George Romero off the project because he was being an ass about reducing the violence. >and have some random asian dude be a better fighter than Alice in the final film
No, that character is literally the same character as Jason Scott Lee from Soldier, PWSA's 90s Blade Runner spinoff. The last Resident Evil movie reuses character outlines and plot points pretty much verbatim from Soldier. Alice even says, "I'm going to kill everyone last one of them," in a nod to "I'm going to kill them all, sir." >I think that may be the only non-enhanced character that ever gets the better of her.
In Final Chapter literally every character gets the better of her, from random Umbrella soldiers by the roadside to the non-enhanced Isaacs clone.
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Anonymous
The Resident Evil films did similar numbers to the Underworld films, but the biggest Underworld film did 160 million. With the fourth movie, Afterlife, Resident Evil exploded to 300 million. Twice what Extinction had made (149 million.) Retribution only made 240 million, and Sony were disappointed by this. There is likely a lot of behind the scenes pressure right now to get some kind of Afterlife successor of the ground. A Resident Evil movie that has the right mixture of action, horror, and slow motion.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Resident-Evil#tab=summary
2 years ago
Anonymous
Another one could do well, if they got someone good taking control.
>I was actually looking forward to the Finally when it looked like it would be a fun team up, but then they do away with that off screen and just make it the Milla movie again.
The budget got cut from 60 to 40 million, and the movie was completely rewritten multiple times because they could no longer get the actors from Retribution back. Sony also blacklisted the Ada Wong actress over some political thing. Wesker also had a bigger role in Final Chapter that was cut. And they cut Angie Ashford. And the White Queen. And a shitload of other things.
So you're saying the reason for the disjointed continuity between RE Retribution and Final Chapter wasn't because the director didn't care, but because of Sony's budget cuts? Where can I find info on those previous script versions?
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Anonymous
There was a leaker on IMDB in 2015 that posted a plot breakdown of a 2015 draft that included the White Queen in Nevada giving Alice the cure mentioned in RE Extinction, Angie being a botched clone, Wesker killing Old Alice, Isaacs being Old Alice's son and actually a good guy, Old Alice being evil and the Red Queen being her puppet, and Alice dying fighting a deteriorating, mutating Wesker with Claire and Doc helping -- Doc would shoot Wesker with an RPG. Some Brazilian fan sites mirrored the posts before they were deleted.
Back in 2014 Ada's actress was confirmed to be returning. The film was going to focus on Wesker leading the group back to Raccoon City to stop the RQ. When the film was delayed and the budget was cut (Sony leaks said budget was 50-60 million back in 2013) the movie was rewritten and then rewritten again into what we got.
People ranking Welcome to Raccoon City higher than the Netflix show, how? The show is terrible sure, but Welcome isn't much better. Unironically had some of the most stilted and godawful dialogue I've seen in the longest time from a movie. Hell some modern B-horror movies are more convincing. The movie coasts through so many plot points and yet it felt like nothing even happened right up to the end. It's like going through a set attractions on autopilot without any sense of style or emotion to them.
People gave Anderson's movies a lot of shit, some of them justified, and yet it's just pathetic how those movies managed to entertain and even form some semblance of a cohesive narrative more than these recent entries.
Welcome to Racoon City got fricked over by Sony cutting the budget. Johannes Roberts didn't have the savvy of Paul Anderson to overcome fricked up production conditions. WTRC is a disjointed movie because they couldn't figure out how to keep the movie's momentum up without the expensive CG monster fights and stuff they had to cut. Anderson had to cut the big fight at the end of Final Chapter, and the ending feels like it was made in the editing room from scraps. But it feels emotionally effective. WTRC lurches along, suddenly hits the rocks, and then it ends. Because they had to cut the big showdown at the end and couldn't substitute something cheaper but still cool.
WTRC's problem is that it isn't cool. It's stylish and I like it, but it feels amateurish. They really fricked up losing James Wan. James Wan was working on an RE film back in 2018, but things fell apart. Wan is a bit hit and miss, but he's way more skilled than Roberts. They should have gotten the guy who made RE: Extinction back. He could make a good new RE movie in Anderson's absence.
It's just bizarre that they can get so many locations and lighting right to such a degree but the director just didn't have what it takes to make something genuinely fun out of them. The movie just feels like it trudges along between each set until it just stops abruptly. Really baffling shit.
All the Anderson RE movies have hot chicks killing monsters without it being a feminazi power fantasy.
That makes them ok in my book. Because they cater to me.
i always liked them but i still wish they had just used Jill. my first encounter with the movies was a halloween haunted house that played the red queen scene when the first movie was new, then there was a zombie attack in the room you were looking at that ended with them shooting the window with a paintball. it was pretty sick.
The IP hurtled off a cliff when Anderson left. It's Mortal Kombat: Annihilation all over again. Every time Anderson leaves a franchise, it nosedives. It happened to MK. It happened to AvP. It has happened to RE.
People trying to pretend that the Afterlife Wesker fight isn't cool as frick have a surprising overlap with people who hate the Star Wars Prequels, and by sheer coincidence Red Letter Media made videos on both. RLM also hated Event Horizon.
I fail to see how being inspired by something else lessens it. It is far superior to the extremely goofy and over the top RE5 scene it's based on. It takes something that's really silly and cartoonish and sells it as real and physical.
>Are we allowed to like the Resident Evil movies now that the Netflix version was a complete fricking shitshow?
I honestly expected the R.E. netflix show to be shit as all previous one's were but I have to admit - this new R.E. netflix show is nice. I like the way the zombies are done in this one.
Daniels is wasted in this show, how did you make it past the first episode?
There wasn’t a single zombie fight imo worth trudging through the forced drama, does it get less atrociously shit?
Resident Evil has remarkable overlap with the Star Wars Prequels. >First film is by George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson >Second and third films are by new directors, but are written, produced, and reshot on the quiet by George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson. >After the original trilogy, George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson returns to direct a new trilogy of films that are far more experimental stylistically, make heavy use of CG VFX compared to the practical effects of the first three movies.
It's been long rumoured, but never substantiated, that Anderson wanted to make Chris gay. Casting a (at the time) closeted gay actor, Wentworth Miller, might have been deliberate on his part. It's funny because people actually whined that Miller's Chris was too soft or whatever.
Shawn Roberts who plays Wesker is likely bi. The dude has dated at least one woman, but gives off severe "I get fricked at random truck stops" energy ala Henry Cavill.
Capcom seem to be aware that he has a reputation of being gay, but there's basically zero chance they'll confirm it. And they likely told Anderson (if the rumour is true) that he couldn't make Chris gay. Capcom have to sign off on portrayals of their characters.
Costume designer was Joseph A. Porro. Worked on Equilibrium, Mandalorian, Independence Day, the 1993 Mario Bros movie, Ultraviolet, and a whole bunch of other movies 1998 Godzilla, Deep Impact, The Orville, and more.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691848/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr19
Ultraviolet is confusing movie that's basically Equilibrium (same writer and director) but with vampires. (Or hemophages as they're called.) It has some cool scenes, but the plot is bizarre and incoherent and the movie feels unfinished. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation-grade unfinished.
the anon below you covered its issues a great deal better than i could but despite its problems I do find it an entertaining film film whose style more then makes up for its lack of substance.
Ultraviolet had real potential as a movie, but Kurt Wimmer just screwed the pooch on the project. Milla rarely talks shit about collaborators, but she called Wimmer a "cad" and said he broke his promise to her that she'd be involved in the editing process so she could give her insights into what had been going on during shooting. The story of Ultraviolet is an incoherent clusterfrick. And some of that is Screen Gems telling him to make the film shorter. The problem is that the plot he wanted the movie to have was moronic. Wimmer was really good when he made Equilibrium. But he had no idea what he was doing with Ultraviolet, and the film has unfinished-looking visual effects with clear tracking problems/wobbling, indicating it was a project that Sony were washing their hands of.
I personally think Milla puts in a pretty decent performance, and I actually like Ultraviolet. But it's a pale retread of Equilibrium.
Supposedly Ultraviolet is literally a 120 minute workprint hacked down to 88 minutes with a 95 minute extended cut that Sony refused to release on Blu Ray because they were dicks about not allowing "Unrated" films on the Blu Ray format. It's hard to tell if Sony were right or wrong about the 120 minute cut being bad and needing to be cut down. But they absolutely rushed the film to release and pushed it out with unfinished VFX. Wimmer has disowned the film. Jovovich has disowned the film. Apparently the novelization is closer to what the movie was meant to be.
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Anonymous
>But they absolutely rushed the film to release and pushed it out with unfinished VFX.
Yeah there is a blurry almost video game character to the whole film that I don't know if ti was done to hide the poor/incomplete visual effects but I kind of like it.
It kind of reminds me of cell shading and to be honest I rather like it.
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Anonymous
The visuals were intended to "pop" and be anime-like, and the film actually did decently in Japan. Even got an anime. It's visually striking. The problem is that multiple scenes in the movie aren't finished. The bike scene is clearly unfinished. It's like a placeholder 70% done render pass that they put in the final movie instead of actually finishing it. Screen Gems were never a particularly great studio, and they likely caused a fair bit of grief on the Resident Evil films as well. They wouldn't allow the actors to be signed for multiple movies. And we all saw the kind of executive frickery with every Sony movie ever. Spider-Man, Venom, etc. All projects with stories of Sony being frickwits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The bike scene is clearly unfinished.
from the beginning right, about twenty minutes in?
Yeah I can see that. Now what is interesting is that the creators of Ultraviolet referenced the matrix in that scene but giving it a second look it has a real Speed Racer feel which makes me wonder if the Wachowskis saw Ultraviolet.
Sorry I just turned it on and watching that scene Speed Racer is one of the first things that came to mind.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's actually plausible. Speed Racer was 2008. Ultraviolet was 2006. Speed Racer's pre-production began several months after Ultraviolet released.
2 years ago
Anonymous
~28 minutes minutes in the film compare the editing and transitions to Speed Racer ~1 hour 5 minute mark.
Either they are pulling from a common source, which is possible and I am just ignorant, or that is another interesting bit of comparison.
Maybe that's Hollywood's plan. They will push the bar lower and lower until even the bottom tier crap of previous eras looks amazing to the modern audience. It's a proven concept with the prequels and ROTJ, the latter of which was viewed much more negatively before the former came out. With enough time and awful movie releases, current capesludge will be looked back on as romantically.
Nice post.
Too druk to try to be clever here, just, there’s categorisation.
Saw was slasher.
Shitty zombie movies were shitty zombie flicks.
Underworld was action with a vampire excuse for merking foes.
RE, halfway between Saw and Underworld.
Sorry about the autism, my only excuse is it will keep the thread bumped, but cheesy ACTION movies? That’s underworld.
Cheesy undead flicks? Yeah RE.
Would probably have had a competitor if Aliyah had died and put a stop to the Anne Riceverse, that universe is cheesy af but also (imho) kino af.
Underworld is a pretty good series, but it fell prey to monotony. Every movie takes place in endless dark rooms. With Resident Evil they really mixed up each movie so you were getting something fresh. I also think that Underworld got too bogged down in Vampire vs Werewolf bullshit. I don't like the whole star crossed vampire and werewolf lovers angle.
Fun fact. There is ANOTHER vampire IP called Ultraviolet. It was a really good British TV series. It's on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoDLSwJAsS5ArtxtXq7u4oYxLhXhiiHX5
you can get away with liking first one. Because of studoi medling they had to made it prequel to RE geme. Anything after was just walfare for Milo and her husband
>Anything after was just walfare for Milo and her husband
I don't understand this mindset. You adapt Resident Evil into a movie. It's really successful. So you stay involved as a writer and producer for another 5 years as you work on AvP and Death Race, your dream project. The lead actress from the first movie returns for the sequels because that's how movies work. >Anderson: After Mortal Kombat, I wanted to try something different. [New Line President] Mike [De Luca] asked me whether I’d be interested in coming back [for 1997’s Mortal Kombat: Annihilation]. I ended up doing something very different. I did Event Horizon next, which was super dark and couldn’t be more different from Mortal Kombat. I stretched my wings afterward. Looking back on it, I went, “Ah, maybe I should have done it.” It’s one of the reasons why on a go-forward basis, when I became involved with Resident Evil, I felt if I’m going to do another one of these adaptations, this time I’m going to stay with it. I’m going to really stay with the franchise and shepherd it. Ironically, me not doing Mortal Kombat II is kind of the reason I’ve ended up doing Resident Evil one, two, three, four, five, six …
The entire reason there are six RE movies and not 2 of them is that Anderson stayed around. There are only two Silent Hill movies because SH shat the bed with the second movie because Christophe Gans didn't return. The Sonic movie franchise will probably implode the moment Jeff Fowler leaves.
She began as a hollow shell engineered for violence and deception, and ended the series as a complete person, with a final gift of her missing childhood being restored to her.
We don't know of any version of the Wesker fight in Final Chapter was filmed. But the climax where she smashes rhe vial is a clusterfrick of contradictory shots and character positions. Isaacs suddenly has Wesker's gun, he grabs the dropped vial from the opposite side he points the gun from, and the zealot Isaacs clone runs up, stabs the OG Isaacs, then gets eaten by zombies. The problem is that he's standing like 1.5 meters from Alice when this happens.
I think Wesker was supposed to show up, but they ran out of money and shot the Isaacs elevator fight instead.
First 2 are acceptable
3 is fine up until the last fight and ending stinger
4 feels moronic and tried to shoehorn Las plagas mouths and references from re5
5 went moronic with attempts at fanservice and only the ending looked hype for the implication of a massive wall fight.
Didn't see the last Anderson film but to know it's more clone bullshit with a twist is not interesting 2v8axh
Afterlife has RE5 stuff in it because Capcom asked. In the screenplay it'a actually leech-based. Wesker can suck the life out of people. (RE0 reference maybe?) There are hints of this in the movie but they pasted RE5 stuff in there to please Capcom.
I never liked them. Resident Evil movies were always b-movie homages and not that serious... but they had their own lore that I enjoyed,
The Anderson movies were weird Mary Sue fanfic instead of just giving us Resident Evil character fans enjoyed. All the actual characters were sidelined for miss Alice.
These movies are like the X-Men movies or Windows in that every other one is good. I'd say part 3 is the first truly 'good' one. Cinemaphile only likes part 2 for waifugayging.
kinossieurs have always celebrated the resident evil movies for their excellence
This. The RE movies are the ultimate pleb-filter.
Exactly. If nothing else, the movies are at least a lot of fun (except that last one). Also I dont give a frick about the RE games so I dont care if they changed things.
No they haven't. These flicks are an embarrassment to the medium.
No.
I tried, but I couldn't enjoy Milla's character: too much of a Mary Sue.
Plus, she has those cold, dead eyes that I see a lot of Slavic women have.
She isn't as likeable as Jill. I'm not gonna say she ruins the movies, but she doesn't help improving them either.
>she has those cold, dead eyes that I see a lot of Slavic women have.
that’s hot though
moron
She's a Mary Sue. Isn't she married to the director or something? She's an OC Donut Steel, nothing else. The focus of the movies should've been on Jill.
Yes. The movies are essentially Paul W.S. Anderson showing his wife off
He's a well known cuck. Makes sense considering how bad his movies are.
How does that make sense? Anderson didn't direct Resident Evil Apocalypse and Resident Evil Extinction. How is Milla being the lead actress any different to Tom Cruise being the lead actor in the Mission Impossible films? It reeks of jealousy.
The movies are other than the first two are pretty bad, but I think it's cool a married couple are having fun making dopey movies.
arent RE MCs supposed to be just that? I just played 4 and Leon is portrayed as the pinnacle of human beings. I watched a bit of a movie recently and it gave me a similar vibe. Meanwhile Netflix RE's MC is not only a Mary Sue, but she's also an insufferable girl boss. It also doesnt help that they try to convince me that she's just a regular person when both RE games and movies have the protagonists be these kind of superhumans
> I just played 4 and Leon is portrayed as the pinnacle of human beings.
He gets his ass kicked several times. Mendez whoops him twice, the first time resulting in him getting injected with the plagas and the second time Ada has to save him. Krauser gets the better of him in the knife fight and Ada saves him again.
>He gets his ass kicked several times.
The exact same thing happens to Alice, so it's weird to single her for it. She spends the entirely of the final movie getting the shit beaten out of her. She gets captured by bandits and almost fed to dogs in the opening scene of the third movie, and Isaacs absolutely BTFOs her. The only reason she wins is because the other Alice clone activates the laser corridor.
Anderson's flicks are terrible, only contrarians and people seething because muh black wesker defend them online. The action is headache inducing, the dialogue is cringe, the acting is wooden.
netflix re is bad, and I'll admit, more boring, but it has better acting and writing, more interesting side characters and its more pretty to look at. wtrc, being a mediocre movie, remains king of re live action.
netflix re's mc gets her ass handed to her multiple times, she has to be saved by a lot of people and she makes some really bad choices that lead to people dying.
I'll agree that they're both bad but at least Anderson's movies are a fun kind of bad. They're just schlocky action movies masquerading as RE movies. The Netflix show is a CW drama masquerading as an RE show which is even worse though.
I've been an RE fan since 98, and I refuse to watch that show.
>The action is headache inducing, the dialogue is cringe, the acting is wooden.
The dialogue is brisk. All the films were written by Anderson, and he has a tense but effective way of writing. He also prioritizes a fast pace above character development. All of Anderson's films are like that. Even the others he didn't direct are like that. It's an aesthetic. One of his best films is Soldier with Kurt Russel, where the character Todd barely speaks the entire film.
>netflix re's mc gets her ass handed to her multiple times, she has to be saved by a lot of people and she makes some really bad choices that lead to people dying.
my problem is that despite that she acts like girlboss who can do no wrong ALWAYS. You would believe that someone who made really big mistakes before would be a little humble yet she still acts the same as before the apocalypse
Alice is beyond pinnacle of human beings, the RE characters only became super soldier zombie experts later in the series.
Supposedly Anderson and Capcom had talked, and back in the 90s Capcom were planning on taking Resident Evil in a superhuman direction. Think X-Men. Code Veronica was not random in its focus on superhuman resurrected Wesker and Alexia and stuff. That was the intended future direction of the series. And the films took that ball and ran with it. The games dialed it back a bit, but they continually go down that road.
With Sherry being super regenerative and Jake being wesker lite they basically were going there eventually. Even Ethan with him being an undead mold man
Yea, it's a recurring idea. There is an argument to be made that Capcom were emboldened by Alice from Apocalypse and Extinction to push superhuman Sherry and superhuman Jake, and Jake even fights Ustanak hand to hand like Alice in Apocalypse. But really it's deep in RE's DNA. Capcom never intended RE to be this vanilla horror series about zombies. It's kinda like Assassin's Creed, where this larger scale lore stuff and creative direction is constantly under the surface, but a lot of people don't notice it.
>Zombies
RE wasn't all about zombies, it's actually about a lot of sci-fi,body horror, and b-movie tier things. Zombies are not what RE is about as a whole. Do you know what a BOW is?
RE4 was lucky shot because it was made by guy who wanted to do anything but RE4. He latter made DMC which was originaly ment to be RE4. Otherwise, dont botter. RE4 has one the most obnoxius and rabbid fanbase
CGI movies > milla movies > numovies
I wish I could get into the CGI movies since they're (supposedly) canon to the games. They fricking bore me to tears though.
The CGI movies are actually okay, it's Infinite Darkness that I felt really shat the bed. And all this to tell us why Leon and Claire was never happening.
Infinite Darkness worst part was how dull and generic it’s ending was with the guy suddenly turning into a tyrant because every single one of the cgi movies must end with a big fight against a Tyrant monster apparently.
I hear ya. It's because nothing of consequence happens in them and you know the main characters won't die, so it's like: what's the point?
The CGI movies are abysmal. Rejected game plots that are still structured and assembled like games. "talking scene" -> "action scene" -> "talking scene" ...
Terrible, terrible films. So boring, just worse video games on every level.
I bet you watched that video essay on Jackie Chan's directing once and felt really fricking proud of yourself for *getting it* you little homosexual. Anybody who thinks "faithful adaptation" is a good or useful criteria for anything should have their eyes gouged out.
No.
RE will never work as a show or a movie. Hell its continuity is already a rocky slope as is
The question is why would you? They don't stand on their own as action movies and they certainly aren't faithful adaptations in any way.
>They don't stand on their own as action movies
They're fantastic action films, though.
Even for the time, that choreography work was fricking bad, anon. I forgive the original mortal kombat film for abusing camera-switching just because the movie was such good cheese, but RE doesn't have that excuse.
Every time you see the camera change on a shot to cover up something the actors were afraid to take or couldn't make work, is a fricking embarrasment, and that clip is loaded with them.
>Every time you see the camera change on a shot to cover up something the actors were afraid to take or couldn't make work, is a fricking embarrasment, and that clip is loaded with them.
Nah, it's just the style of the time. Extinction, Afterlife, and Retribution had the same editor, Niven Howie, and he cuts on every impact without fail. He did the same thing on Dawn of the Dead (2004).
Character swings melee weapon, head snaps back, cut. Every time. It's a deliberate decision. The editing on the final RE movie is a whole other kettle of fish because they hired the guy who edited this to do it.
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You see it here, too. This is a completely different director. (The guy who made Highlander.) And it cuts to a different angle every time someone gets hit. I feel like this approach to editing was something that gained traction when digital post-production took over. Back when editing was splicing film, you couldn't cut this fast and hard.
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This is fricking terrible
It's kind of the point.
Name a single flaw.
The netflix adaptation was objectively better and more faithful to the games than those shitty movies. Anderson is uwe with a budget.
>The netflix adaptation was objectively better
Fricking lol. It's a CW tier show at best. Get some fricking standards jesus christ.
>more faithful to the games
Arguable. There were more nods to the games and I will grant you the puzzle episode came close to feeling like an RE adaptation but the movies had plenty of nods as well and were at least wrapped in an action movie package instead of teen drama shit.
don't do my man Uwe dirty like that
was going to say alone in the dark aint that bad should check out bloodrayne
>uwe also did bloodrayne
>The Netflix adaptation was objectively better
maybe so but it was shit!
honestly i liked the teen/ father mystery- thriller leading up to the apocalypse aspect. they should have focused on that a spent more money on hiring better writers and supporting actors. they had some good things there like injecting their blood and the creepy town etc.
>Anderson is uwe with a budget.
People who say this have not actually seen Uwe's movies. Anderson is a legitimately skilled and passionate filmmaker.
Anderson also wrote every Resident Evil film. The man has writing chops, directing chops, producing chops. He knows what he's doing, and he's typically been able to make lemonade from lemons when shit goes badly wrong during production.
What did you think those clips were going to prove? Seriously not sure what you're doing here.
Uwe Boll is incompetent as a filmmaker, and people who've worked with him shit-talk how bad he is at making movies.
Anderson is a visionary director. Uwe Boll has never created genre-defining films like the first Resident Evil or Event Horizon. He's an incompetent hack.
Well she called it. Bloodrayne really is so bad its good imo. The sequels were fricking aweful though.
No. Anderson is Zack Snyder without a budget, and Zack Snyder if Zack Snyder could actually write movies instead of paying Chris Terrio and David Goyer to write them for him. The biggest budgeted movie Anderson has ever made was about 65 million. Snyder has repeatedly pissed 200-300 million dollars up the wall with his huge budget superhero films. We can only imagine the kind of movies Anderson could make on that kind of movie.
>more faithful to the games than those shitty movies
LMAO
>I will eat shit if it's a bit more faithful to the absolute shit tier writing of the games
Honestly I always liked the third movie. Making a zombie apocalypse road movie with some elements borrowed from mad max was a pretty interesting decision. It stands out from the rest and I'd say it's even better than the first two parts.
Welcome to Raccoon City beats all movies and the netshits show easily. Don't @ me
dropped ya crown, chadking
>dont @ me
you are like those tough kids who show middle finger from distance and run away aren't you?
bro he told you don't @ him what the frick are you doing you absolute mad man.
>Welcome to Raccoon City beats all movies and the netshits show easily
I haven't gotten around to watching it yet but it looked like a UPN budget adaptation of the first 2 games so I avoided it. Sell me on it.
No. Frick off.
>No. Frick off.
Can't be that great then if you're not willing to defend it. Thanks for confirming my beliefs.
It's better than the show but not Anderson's films. It's a perfectly tolerable agribusiness film like product with resident evil elements.
Milla 1&2 > Racoon city > 3,4,5 > Netflix tv
You forgot final chapter.
>Are we allowed
You're allowed to do whatever the frick you want Black person. This is Cinemaphile, not reddit.
What's wrong with Reddit?
you're not allowed to like it
>What's wrong with Reddit
censorship son!
Actually, this is Cinemaphile, and the circlejerk is as strong here as anywhere else on the internet.
Only if you pay attention to a group of morons.
Posts can’t be assassinated from the shadows, anons have to expose themselves and their power levels to try their contrarianism on.
Group think? Maybe. Hivemind? Nahhhh.
Only the first 1/3rd or so of the 2nd movie was good. Or as good as it can get for the live actions.
2 > 1 > 3 > haven't seen the others
First movie and the second and then maybe some Wesker scenes on youtube
and the theme
Soundtrack of resident evil movies is really something. It has that action packed dlc vibe attached to it. Idk why some people hate it.
This. First two movies were kino but after that it sucked ass.
I disagree with the premise of the thread. The PWSA Resident Evil films are fundamentally different to the Netflix series. The Netflix series is not a "shitshow". It's just not the kind of RE project that would get made if Anderson were still in charge. It's the equivalent of all those DC movies they've made without Snyder, like Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. It's not bad, it's just tonally off, and lacking the sense of nuance that made Snyder's DC films work, and Anderson's RE films work. Just as people are begging for Man of Steel 2, there is a tendency to beg for Anderson to come back, but I think the show has real potential, and Season 1 was enjoyable.
>Season 1 was enjoyable
You must have very low fricking standards. I have a high tolerance for CW style shows and I struggled to get through this. There are a few flecks of gold in this log of shit but calling it enjoyable is a huge fricking stretch.
I like the show's camp tone, and I think the central mystery of what Evelyn is up to carries the show. The post-apocalyptic plotline is weaker. There's a rumour that the film company Constantin wanted an apocalyptic show where Milla could cameo, but Netflix wanted a teen drama. So the show is a compromise between these two ideas. And as with Welcome to Raccoon City blending RE1 and RE2, it's not necessarily the best approach.
>I like the show's camp tone
mmm
Come on mate please develop some standards.
5>4>2>3>1>6
today's shit doesn't make yesterday diarrhea good
Only the first 3. The ones after it are alright for meme value and being funny slop. Not to say the first 3 are great films or anything, but they have their charm and place.
SAAAAAAAAAAHHHM
Does anyone else find Welcome to Raccoon City completely bizarre?
85% of it is so absurdly faithful to the source material, down to the sets and costumes and plot points. But then you have the mansion/Raccoon City incidents reversed and condensed into one, as well as weird shit like Chris and Claire not having talked for 5 years. Then you have the casting which is passable half the time with characters like Chris and Claire but then you have Jill who might as well be a brand new character. Leon is a Hispanic for some reason and it's weird because I actually like the portrayal. Even though they flanderize the FRICK out of him and make him this hyper-incompetant goofball that's always sleeping and fricking up and being everyone's punching bag. I thought he was still charming but why couldn't they have just got an actor that actually looks like Leon? It's not even that I hate minorities. Wesker was a white guy with blonde hair and it was a big miscast. I like the actor but he's too brutish/goofy/aloof. Wesker is supposed to be a lean, calm and slick motherfricker that's playing everyone. Not some bonehead jock.
All in all I don't think I can say I enjoyed it, but I didn't hate it like I did the TV series and I honestly give them some credit for the accuracy they did go for. Because it's a lot more than 99% of adaptions go for.
>Wesker is supposed to be a lean, calm and slick motherfricker that's playing everyone. Not some bonehead jock.
All adaptations of RE1 change Wesker. George Romero's adaptation that was never filmed turned him into a jaded veteran of the Gulf War or something like that who betrays the group because he wants the good life. But Barry saved his life, and he believes in paying back people who've done right by him. Also, he can't shoot Jill in cold blood. The version of Wesker in WTRC seems influenced by Romero Wesker. And Anderson came up with Spence, who was basically the same character.
>this thing is less shit, so now it must be good.
No, and frick off.
I've never stopped liking them and the Shitflix show has just made me like them even more.
i always liked them, but I've always been a fan of pretty much any action shlock
they were never bad
well maybe the last couple were
The post-apoc one with the convoy was kino af.
ever is best girl
I still find it hilarious that there is a character in this franchise named K-Mart.
K-Mart is what Walmart used to be called before they expanded
K-mart is a completely separate chain that merged with Sears and ultimately closed down about a decade ago. Wal-Mart is named after Sam Walton who opened the first Walton Grocery in Rogers, Arkansas.
>t. lives two blocks away from Wal-Mart HQ
Wait what? we've still got k mart here in australia, i'm surprised to hear they went under in america
It's probably not the same company. Don't you guys have target but it's not actually the same target?
Huh yeah looks like our target is completely unrelated and the logo is just a coincidence, wild
Yeah australia K-Mart even uses the older version of the logo.
Well to be fair they found her in an abandoned K-Mart and there's still plenty of those around.
There's even a fairly recent Walmart that was abandoned because the place was built on a landfill and the entire complex is literally sinking/health hazard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_View_Center
I liked them from the beginning.
Mostly because I watched them before I knew about ratings.
I still have my free t-shirt I got from the premiere of that movie.
I'd love to lick every inch of Jovovich's body
If you want but only if RE1 is your favourite
We even have a good Wesker, Anthony Starr. He'd be fricking perfect for the role.
Why? Because you saw a picture of him where his hair looked kind of like Wesker's hair? That makes him the perfect actor to play him?
Or that I think he'd be a good Wesker. Looks really close to him and he'd be perfect for the role.
You can give anybody that hairstyle. The rest of him has to fit the voice, the personality, the charisma. Nothing on The Boys suggests he'd be a good Wesker.
Alright, not changing my mind tho.
Eh, he's got the look but other than that I don't see it.
was thinking more of neal mcdonough
They were always cringe kino.
Unph.
>2nd movie starts off kino
>continues to be so
>Then Alice literally breaks into the scene flying through a window on a motorcyvle
>Kino ends
>>Then Alice literally breaks into the scene flying through a window on a motorcycle
A fantastic homage to the way The Terminator shows up to save the day in Terminator 2 and Terminator 3.
Where exactly did Paul W.S. Anderson hate come from? He spearheaded the first (and only) videogame adaptation to get several sequels. He made the first MK movie. He made a really iconic horror movie, Event Horizon. I don't quite get where the internet animosity comes from, or how it's rationalized.
Because of the RE movies being good bad to flat out fricking bad.
John Carpenter doesn't get hate for spending the entire 90s making a string of critically savaged flops. Anderson made successful films. His job was to make successful and popular Resident Evil movies. That's why he was hired. The movies got sequels because people liked them. "Well I think they were bad." That's beside the point. As an anon said, it feels like jealousy and bitterness that Anderson's movies succeeded while all the competing adaptations flopped. That's why people lionize Romero despite Romero's adaptation of RE1 being hugely different to the game. I think people had this bizarre idea that Anderson's films got in the way of some "faithful" RE adaptation. Maybe that's where the seething about Alice comes from? Alice is a rewritten Jill created so the films could have a main character Capcom wouldn't control. The whole thing is weird to me. What exactly did people think was going to happen?
You're arguments are very childish and sound like "haters going to hate". I never played any of the Resident Evil games before the films and thought some of the movies where ok but as a movie only watcher, you can really tell quality was compromised to keep the films a Milla vanity project. It would have been a lot better if some of the other characters had been allowed a more prominent part, looking back they feel drained of character. I was actually looking forward to the Finally when it looked like it would be a fun team up, but then they do away with that off screen and just make it the Milla movie again.
The movies did ok, but they would have rotted in obscurity if the games didn't keep the brand alive.
>The movies did ok, but they would have rotted in obscurity if the games didn't keep the brand alive.
The films never needed the games. It's like saying that Underworld would rot in obscurity without World of Darkness.
>you can really tell quality was compromised to keep the films a Milla vanity project. It would have been a lot better if some of the other characters had been allowed a more prominent part, looking back they feel drained of character.
The secret to the success of the RE movies is that they have a singular protagonist, and the movies all revolve around that protagonist. The traditional action star formula allows supporting characters to be helpful, but they cannot be more prominent. John Wick must always be the one in charge. Ethan Hunt must always save the day. James Bond must be the center of attention. It had nothing to do with Milla Jovovich and everything to do with "anyone can be lead as long as Capcom don't own them". The whole reason Alice exists is because Jill belongs to Capcom. And once the RE sequels were made, Alice remained the protagonist because she's the focus. They are largely chase movies that follow this singular protag, like the John Wick films. The only caveat I would concede is that the fast pacing of the RE movies means that the cast isn't as fleshed out as they might be, but that was a conscious decision to keep the runtimes down. None of the movies are longer than 100 minutes. They could spend an extra 20 minutes on Claire, but that would slow the movie down.
We never got enough Claire, but it's not really a big deal because she's really not that special outside of her brother.
Claire is actually the most common supporting co-protag, appearing in Extinction, Afterlife, and Final Chapter. Half the movies she's paired up with Alice.
Another loose rule is that men could never protagonists. Carlos bends the rule a little bit, but there's a reason you have Rain, and Jill, and Claire, and Ada. These female characters exist to be partnered with Alice. So you were never going to get an RE movie where Chris was large and in charge. It didn't fit with the girl power brand. Chris existed as Claire's brother, wheras a more male oriented franchise would treat Claire as Chris's sister.
I only watched the first two movies, that was enough for me.
A protagonist is important because it anchors the audiences point of view but what you're describing are action movies where good guy action hero beats mafia/terrorists, Alice was never good enough of a character to do that. Success is a bit of a stretch, the movies had middling success up until the final few that where lucky to be released during a period where China where lapping up any action movies America was making, in fact that's why they neuter the violence and have some random asian dude be a better fighter than Alice in the final film, I think that may be the only non-enhanced character that ever gets the better of her.
>Success is a bit of a stretch, the movies had middling success up until the final few that where lucky to be released during a period where China where lapping up any action movies America was making
The most successful film (in terms of money they actually made) was Afterlife, which made 21 million in China, 300 million globally. China was only really a factor for Final Chapter. Japan was a bigger box office region for Resident Evil overall.
>in fact that's why they neuter the violence
No, that was a thing from the start. The company is German. They booted George Romero off the project because he was being an ass about reducing the violence.
>and have some random asian dude be a better fighter than Alice in the final film
No, that character is literally the same character as Jason Scott Lee from Soldier, PWSA's 90s Blade Runner spinoff. The last Resident Evil movie reuses character outlines and plot points pretty much verbatim from Soldier. Alice even says, "I'm going to kill everyone last one of them," in a nod to "I'm going to kill them all, sir."
>I think that may be the only non-enhanced character that ever gets the better of her.
In Final Chapter literally every character gets the better of her, from random Umbrella soldiers by the roadside to the non-enhanced Isaacs clone.
The Resident Evil films did similar numbers to the Underworld films, but the biggest Underworld film did 160 million. With the fourth movie, Afterlife, Resident Evil exploded to 300 million. Twice what Extinction had made (149 million.) Retribution only made 240 million, and Sony were disappointed by this. There is likely a lot of behind the scenes pressure right now to get some kind of Afterlife successor of the ground. A Resident Evil movie that has the right mixture of action, horror, and slow motion.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Resident-Evil#tab=summary
Another one could do well, if they got someone good taking control.
>I was actually looking forward to the Finally when it looked like it would be a fun team up, but then they do away with that off screen and just make it the Milla movie again.
The budget got cut from 60 to 40 million, and the movie was completely rewritten multiple times because they could no longer get the actors from Retribution back. Sony also blacklisted the Ada Wong actress over some political thing. Wesker also had a bigger role in Final Chapter that was cut. And they cut Angie Ashford. And the White Queen. And a shitload of other things.
So you're saying the reason for the disjointed continuity between RE Retribution and Final Chapter wasn't because the director didn't care, but because of Sony's budget cuts? Where can I find info on those previous script versions?
There was a leaker on IMDB in 2015 that posted a plot breakdown of a 2015 draft that included the White Queen in Nevada giving Alice the cure mentioned in RE Extinction, Angie being a botched clone, Wesker killing Old Alice, Isaacs being Old Alice's son and actually a good guy, Old Alice being evil and the Red Queen being her puppet, and Alice dying fighting a deteriorating, mutating Wesker with Claire and Doc helping -- Doc would shoot Wesker with an RPG. Some Brazilian fan sites mirrored the posts before they were deleted.
Back in 2014 Ada's actress was confirmed to be returning. The film was going to focus on Wesker leading the group back to Raccoon City to stop the RQ. When the film was delayed and the budget was cut (Sony leaks said budget was 50-60 million back in 2013) the movie was rewritten and then rewritten again into what we got.
the first 3 are kino
>Milla gets hotter with each RE movie
https://youtu.be/Ozfsr7UPevM
People ranking Welcome to Raccoon City higher than the Netflix show, how? The show is terrible sure, but Welcome isn't much better. Unironically had some of the most stilted and godawful dialogue I've seen in the longest time from a movie. Hell some modern B-horror movies are more convincing. The movie coasts through so many plot points and yet it felt like nothing even happened right up to the end. It's like going through a set attractions on autopilot without any sense of style or emotion to them.
People gave Anderson's movies a lot of shit, some of them justified, and yet it's just pathetic how those movies managed to entertain and even form some semblance of a cohesive narrative more than these recent entries.
Welcome to Racoon City got fricked over by Sony cutting the budget. Johannes Roberts didn't have the savvy of Paul Anderson to overcome fricked up production conditions. WTRC is a disjointed movie because they couldn't figure out how to keep the movie's momentum up without the expensive CG monster fights and stuff they had to cut. Anderson had to cut the big fight at the end of Final Chapter, and the ending feels like it was made in the editing room from scraps. But it feels emotionally effective. WTRC lurches along, suddenly hits the rocks, and then it ends. Because they had to cut the big showdown at the end and couldn't substitute something cheaper but still cool.
WTRC's problem is that it isn't cool. It's stylish and I like it, but it feels amateurish. They really fricked up losing James Wan. James Wan was working on an RE film back in 2018, but things fell apart. Wan is a bit hit and miss, but he's way more skilled than Roberts. They should have gotten the guy who made RE: Extinction back. He could make a good new RE movie in Anderson's absence.
It's just bizarre that they can get so many locations and lighting right to such a degree but the director just didn't have what it takes to make something genuinely fun out of them. The movie just feels like it trudges along between each set until it just stops abruptly. Really baffling shit.
All the Anderson RE movies have hot chicks killing monsters without it being a feminazi power fantasy.
That makes them ok in my book. Because they cater to me.
yes!
The moment when Prison Break guy first shows up in prison in RE was so fricking hilarious.
Nothing will beat RE 1&2 dogs
They were awesome
They were always fun though.
Poopy Butt
i always liked them but i still wish they had just used Jill. my first encounter with the movies was a halloween haunted house that played the red queen scene when the first movie was new, then there was a zombie attack in the room you were looking at that ended with them shooting the window with a paintball. it was pretty sick.
There was a Resident Evil haunted house on year at Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando a good while back. Was that it?
>tfw remember NEMESIS lost to Alice in a FIST FIGHT
Damn...
They have always been the thinking man's guilty pleasure.
Paul WS Anderson RE movies have always been kino
Still pretty today.
Anderson didn't direct Apocalypse, but he likely saved it in post-production.
I've always like the milla movies. She's cute.
The IP hurtled off a cliff when Anderson left. It's Mortal Kombat: Annihilation all over again. Every time Anderson leaves a franchise, it nosedives. It happened to MK. It happened to AvP. It has happened to RE.
The movies are garbage but I love every second of them and they deliver the most delicious of kino
it is schlock and but its fun
Peak of the series
>told you I'd be brining a few friends
>Well, you should have brought MORE
>A Perfect Circle intensifies.
People trying to pretend that the Afterlife Wesker fight isn't cool as frick have a surprising overlap with people who hate the Star Wars Prequels, and by sheer coincidence Red Letter Media made videos on both. RLM also hated Event Horizon.
>EH
It was alright, it wasn't as great as I was expecting.
Fascinating
I also rather enjoy the prequels
a shame people can't enjoy fun things
Maybe if it wasn't 70% ripped off from RE5
I fail to see how being inspired by something else lessens it. It is far superior to the extremely goofy and over the top RE5 scene it's based on. It takes something that's really silly and cartoonish and sells it as real and physical.
Milla shows her breasts and snatch which automatically makes it superior.
Imagine being surprised that the guy who worships Roger Corman makes purposefully trashy and schlocky films.
>Are we allowed to like the Resident Evil movies now that the Netflix version was a complete fricking shitshow?
I honestly expected the R.E. netflix show to be shit as all previous one's were but I have to admit - this new R.E. netflix show is nice. I like the way the zombies are done in this one.
Daniels is wasted in this show, how did you make it past the first episode?
There wasn’t a single zombie fight imo worth trudging through the forced drama, does it get less atrociously shit?
I like both and I like the CGI movies
Resident Evil has remarkable overlap with the Star Wars Prequels.
>First film is by George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson
>Second and third films are by new directors, but are written, produced, and reshot on the quiet by George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson.
>After the original trilogy, George Lucas/Paul W.S. Anderson returns to direct a new trilogy of films that are far more experimental stylistically, make heavy use of CG VFX compared to the practical effects of the first three movies.
It's been long rumoured, but never substantiated, that Anderson wanted to make Chris gay. Casting a (at the time) closeted gay actor, Wentworth Miller, might have been deliberate on his part. It's funny because people actually whined that Miller's Chris was too soft or whatever.
Shawn Roberts who plays Wesker is likely bi. The dude has dated at least one woman, but gives off severe "I get fricked at random truck stops" energy ala Henry Cavill.
Chris is gay in the games so it wouldn't have changed anything
Capcom seem to be aware that he has a reputation of being gay, but there's basically zero chance they'll confirm it. And they likely told Anderson (if the rumour is true) that he couldn't make Chris gay. Capcom have to sign off on portrayals of their characters.
>It's been long rumoured, but never substantiated, that Anderson wanted to make Chris gay.
That's hilarious, when did this start?
i remember fapping alot to extinction
every girl is a qt
That one had the best costuming for the characters.
Yeah who ever did the costume design was a genius. Those legs, short pants, and garter belt or whatever.
beautiful
Costume designer was Joseph A. Porro. Worked on Equilibrium, Mandalorian, Independence Day, the 1993 Mario Bros movie, Ultraviolet, and a whole bunch of other movies 1998 Godzilla, Deep Impact, The Orville, and more.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691848/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr19
>Ultraviolet
another underappreciated film and yes great costume design as well
I will now watch your movie. What do I need to know going into Ultraviolet?
Ultraviolet is confusing movie that's basically Equilibrium (same writer and director) but with vampires. (Or hemophages as they're called.) It has some cool scenes, but the plot is bizarre and incoherent and the movie feels unfinished. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation-grade unfinished.
>Equilibrium with vampires
Fricking hell that sounds cool as shit. Why didn't I know about this?
>why didn't i know
Maybe because its a movie about a world run by a medical dictatorship?
the anon below you covered its issues a great deal better than i could but despite its problems I do find it an entertaining film film whose style more then makes up for its lack of substance.
It's based off a comic book and the whole movie is stylized to show off Mila in constantly changing outfits.
Ultraviolet had real potential as a movie, but Kurt Wimmer just screwed the pooch on the project. Milla rarely talks shit about collaborators, but she called Wimmer a "cad" and said he broke his promise to her that she'd be involved in the editing process so she could give her insights into what had been going on during shooting. The story of Ultraviolet is an incoherent clusterfrick. And some of that is Screen Gems telling him to make the film shorter. The problem is that the plot he wanted the movie to have was moronic. Wimmer was really good when he made Equilibrium. But he had no idea what he was doing with Ultraviolet, and the film has unfinished-looking visual effects with clear tracking problems/wobbling, indicating it was a project that Sony were washing their hands of.
I personally think Milla puts in a pretty decent performance, and I actually like Ultraviolet. But it's a pale retread of Equilibrium.
That is some truly awful CG
Supposedly Ultraviolet is literally a 120 minute workprint hacked down to 88 minutes with a 95 minute extended cut that Sony refused to release on Blu Ray because they were dicks about not allowing "Unrated" films on the Blu Ray format. It's hard to tell if Sony were right or wrong about the 120 minute cut being bad and needing to be cut down. But they absolutely rushed the film to release and pushed it out with unfinished VFX. Wimmer has disowned the film. Jovovich has disowned the film. Apparently the novelization is closer to what the movie was meant to be.
>But they absolutely rushed the film to release and pushed it out with unfinished VFX.
Yeah there is a blurry almost video game character to the whole film that I don't know if ti was done to hide the poor/incomplete visual effects but I kind of like it.
It kind of reminds me of cell shading and to be honest I rather like it.
The visuals were intended to "pop" and be anime-like, and the film actually did decently in Japan. Even got an anime. It's visually striking. The problem is that multiple scenes in the movie aren't finished. The bike scene is clearly unfinished. It's like a placeholder 70% done render pass that they put in the final movie instead of actually finishing it. Screen Gems were never a particularly great studio, and they likely caused a fair bit of grief on the Resident Evil films as well. They wouldn't allow the actors to be signed for multiple movies. And we all saw the kind of executive frickery with every Sony movie ever. Spider-Man, Venom, etc. All projects with stories of Sony being frickwits.
>The bike scene is clearly unfinished.
from the beginning right, about twenty minutes in?
Yeah I can see that. Now what is interesting is that the creators of Ultraviolet referenced the matrix in that scene but giving it a second look it has a real Speed Racer feel which makes me wonder if the Wachowskis saw Ultraviolet.
Sorry I just turned it on and watching that scene Speed Racer is one of the first things that came to mind.
It's actually plausible. Speed Racer was 2008. Ultraviolet was 2006. Speed Racer's pre-production began several months after Ultraviolet released.
~28 minutes minutes in the film compare the editing and transitions to Speed Racer ~1 hour 5 minute mark.
Either they are pulling from a common source, which is possible and I am just ignorant, or that is another interesting bit of comparison.
I don't care until they adapt based Village and I see my wife Donna
They moved on to Monster Hunter, Alice uses dual blades now anon.
Maybe that's Hollywood's plan. They will push the bar lower and lower until even the bottom tier crap of previous eras looks amazing to the modern audience. It's a proven concept with the prequels and ROTJ, the latter of which was viewed much more negatively before the former came out. With enough time and awful movie releases, current capesludge will be looked back on as romantically.
I always liked all of the RE movies, peak cheesy 2000s action kino
Strange spelling of “underworld”, anon.
underworld, shitty zombie movies, Saw, and RE are peak 2000s action/horror kino* my bad
Nice post.
Too druk to try to be clever here, just, there’s categorisation.
Saw was slasher.
Shitty zombie movies were shitty zombie flicks.
Underworld was action with a vampire excuse for merking foes.
RE, halfway between Saw and Underworld.
Sorry about the autism, my only excuse is it will keep the thread bumped, but cheesy ACTION movies? That’s underworld.
Cheesy undead flicks? Yeah RE.
Would probably have had a competitor if Aliyah had died and put a stop to the Anne Riceverse, that universe is cheesy af but also (imho) kino af.
yeah, I just meant those movies (RE included) have that 2000s kind of sovl, I don't know how to describe it briefly. you're right though
Underworld is a pretty good series, but it fell prey to monotony. Every movie takes place in endless dark rooms. With Resident Evil they really mixed up each movie so you were getting something fresh. I also think that Underworld got too bogged down in Vampire vs Werewolf bullshit. I don't like the whole star crossed vampire and werewolf lovers angle.
Based. Enjoyed every single one, no matter how silly they got. Just pure fun.
Fun fact. There is ANOTHER vampire IP called Ultraviolet. It was a really good British TV series. It's on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoDLSwJAsS5ArtxtXq7u4oYxLhXhiiHX5
Always been guilty pleasures of mine. Mila beating the crap out of everyone, do you really need anything else?
I love Jill!
you can get away with liking first one. Because of studoi medling they had to made it prequel to RE geme. Anything after was just walfare for Milo and her husband
>Anything after was just walfare for Milo and her husband
I don't understand this mindset. You adapt Resident Evil into a movie. It's really successful. So you stay involved as a writer and producer for another 5 years as you work on AvP and Death Race, your dream project. The lead actress from the first movie returns for the sequels because that's how movies work.
>Anderson: After Mortal Kombat, I wanted to try something different. [New Line President] Mike [De Luca] asked me whether I’d be interested in coming back [for 1997’s Mortal Kombat: Annihilation]. I ended up doing something very different. I did Event Horizon next, which was super dark and couldn’t be more different from Mortal Kombat. I stretched my wings afterward. Looking back on it, I went, “Ah, maybe I should have done it.” It’s one of the reasons why on a go-forward basis, when I became involved with Resident Evil, I felt if I’m going to do another one of these adaptations, this time I’m going to stay with it. I’m going to really stay with the franchise and shepherd it. Ironically, me not doing Mortal Kombat II is kind of the reason I’ve ended up doing Resident Evil one, two, three, four, five, six …
The entire reason there are six RE movies and not 2 of them is that Anderson stayed around. There are only two Silent Hill movies because SH shat the bed with the second movie because Christophe Gans didn't return. The Sonic movie franchise will probably implode the moment Jeff Fowler leaves.
>Chris is in prison
>Cast the guy that play on Prison Break
I want a movie with Black Wesker against Prison break Chris no need to write a scenario since it's always shit
milla been swimming in shit.
I wish they'd spend some money on director's cuts.
It's OK that SHE is a Mary Sue
IF SHE is also a SEX OBJECT for my PENIS.
She's not a Mary Sue. She's literally Jill with the serial numbers filed off. She's also no different to Rose or Sherry.
And she has to be white
She's a marysue
The first one was a better prequel to RE1 than RE0 ever was.
It was nice that Alice's character staye consistent thrughout thw movies
yeah, consistently MOGGED by Jill
although milla is hotter in that webm
she's so not
That cute br'ish accent. :3
:3
Are they not the same people?
Yeah...she started as nothing and ended as nothing. lmao.
She began as a hollow shell engineered for violence and deception, and ended the series as a complete person, with a final gift of her missing childhood being restored to her.
There was always 2 decent ones.
We don't know of any version of the Wesker fight in Final Chapter was filmed. But the climax where she smashes rhe vial is a clusterfrick of contradictory shots and character positions. Isaacs suddenly has Wesker's gun, he grabs the dropped vial from the opposite side he points the gun from, and the zealot Isaacs clone runs up, stabs the OG Isaacs, then gets eaten by zombies. The problem is that he's standing like 1.5 meters from Alice when this happens.
I think Wesker was supposed to show up, but they ran out of money and shot the Isaacs elevator fight instead.
First 2 are acceptable
3 is fine up until the last fight and ending stinger
4 feels moronic and tried to shoehorn Las plagas mouths and references from re5
5 went moronic with attempts at fanservice and only the ending looked hype for the implication of a massive wall fight.
Didn't see the last Anderson film but to know it's more clone bullshit with a twist is not interesting 2v8axh
Afterlife has RE5 stuff in it because Capcom asked. In the screenplay it'a actually leech-based. Wesker can suck the life out of people. (RE0 reference maybe?) There are hints of this in the movie but they pasted RE5 stuff in there to please Capcom.
Like I said, Capcom at least needs to give it to someone that'll take it seriously. I'd love to see a no bullshit adaption.
I didn't like Blonde Jill in the game, or in the movies. Canonically she's still being experimented on by Wesker.
OG REchad here. Yeah, blonde Jill is super lame and clearly ripping off Nina Williams from Tekken.
I never liked them. Resident Evil movies were always b-movie homages and not that serious... but they had their own lore that I enjoyed,
The Anderson movies were weird Mary Sue fanfic instead of just giving us Resident Evil character fans enjoyed. All the actual characters were sidelined for miss Alice.
We get it, but no one fricking cares.
>was filmed in my city
>panned by everyone who has eyes
Frick
The only half decent thing from the movie was that a girl I knew in college did a good job cosplaying Alice from the desert one.
What's some quintessential Milakino?
First two movies are the only good ones. I simply pretend the rest don't exist.
These movies are like the X-Men movies or Windows in that every other one is good. I'd say part 3 is the first truly 'good' one. Cinemaphile only likes part 2 for waifugayging.
Is that a nipple?
You were always allowed to like the first one, as at least being okay and having tons of hotties.
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