Are you sick of superhero deconstructions?
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Are you sick of superhero deconstructions?
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I'm kinda sick of superheros in general.
This. I don't mind it as much as others seem to. It's another way to play with superheroes, but like with all things, it gets tiresome when too many try to do the same thing, especially when too many do it badly.
I feel like the wells pretty dry for superheroes in general, though I have a few ideas.
I don't know. Some parts of it are solid, but the way Ennis works, it's hard to pin down a magnum opus from him, if he even has one.
Not from what I've read. To date, I think it's the fullest deconstruction there is. Even stuff like Miracleman doesn't go all the way to allow for a certain type of story.
Parody.
fpbp
No it's a comedy
>but also has nostalgia for the serial stories he read as a child and wants to recreate that. That's how you get shit like Mad Max
The execs also have nostalgia for those serial stories, or more specifically, the money they dreamed they would earn by peddling those serial stories as an updated "adult" version
Damn, the artist of that piece looks like they should be painting Greek epics instead of cringe inducing modern drivel
He uses heavy reference and everyone looks too much like a specific person in a bad way.
This.
Capeshit is so fricking boring.
Too much of anything is so fricking boring.
This. I got back into superhero comics at 21 and am now 25. I pretty much only read indie stuff or things I never got around to checking out (Last thing I read was Sandman Mystery Theatre and am currently reading Rubber Blankets).
It could be argued that all fictional protagonists are superheroes.
Yeah, you could argue that. If you were a gay.
The boys is a good show so I don’t care. How many deconstructions are there anyways?
Good comic, bad show
>How many deconstructions are there anyways?
Superman but Evil (Injustice)
Superman but Commie (Red Son)
Superman but Psychopath (The Boys)
Superman but Conqueror (Invincible)
Superman but Disillusioned (Megamind)
Superman but homosexual (Johnathan Kent)
I think none of these are actual deconstruction.
It depends on what deconstruction means which I haven't seen a clear answer, all online definitions are navel gazing horseshit which mean nothing but "genre but cynical/real" also seems like a bullshit definition.
If it's a reconstruction then isn't it just the concept ultimately played straight?
Yea. My question is what would be a direction to go into that modern youths, teens and young adults would like? What do "the kids" like these days that we could use an old trope on.
Honestly, it would give you the shit they've been feeding us.
Modern morality discourse is centered on gay rights, blacks, and the environment, so you would have gay superman that parades around in climate protests.
But that sucks in my opinion, I would just rather have the 90's again, bad guy looks cool and fights good guy that looks cool.
The kids like anything. Their minds are open and accepting. To them everything is new.
>If it's a reconstruction then isn't it just the concept ultimately played straight?
reconstruction is a tvtropes term, and in their parlance its considered distinct from playing it straight
ie
super jump man jumps good is played straight
super jump man breaks his legs everytime he lands is a deconstruction
superjump man learning parkour and using special leg braces in direct response to being told about how useless his powers is a reconstruction
academically speaking, reconstruction would just be considered a form of deconstruction, in which you continue the process of breaking down the new form the last deconstruction created
I don’t think you know what deconstruction means anon
he probably thinks antagonist is synonym for villain
You missed irremedable
You forgot...
Superman but he's an evil kid (Brightburn) and Superman but he's a cosmic horror (Irredeemable)
Brightburn is about school shooters rather than superman.
it was pretty much just superman but he's still young but also evil
You forgot...
Superman but he's a cuckass gay who lets his dad die and is Man of Murder
Only the first episode was good. The rest were just the main cast doing blackmail over and over. The second season was a complete waste
is punisher max really ennis' magnum opus?
Has anything eclipsed Watchmen in this regard?
No.
People just see the sex and violence in Watchmen and copy that for shock value.
Oh, yes. Very much. That's why I hate The Boys so much. It directly lifted the more prurient aspects from pic related while abandoning everything which gave it any kind of depth.
Absolutely yes. Its reached a point where deconstructions are now the norm and the type of story they were deconstructing haven't been done sincerely in over 30 years or more
Yeah, because superheroes are a children's genre that adults are trying to make for themselves. So to convince themselves that capeshit is actually high-tier philosophy they must eliminate the fundamentally silly aspects of it (hence why most capeshit movies/vidya are self-deprecating).
It really bothers me. The sweet spot is a well rounded adult that has adult taste but also has nostalgia for the serial stories he read as a child and wants to recreate that. That's how you get shit like Mad Max
Funny thing about that, is deconstruction and deprecation are a child's coping mechanism for a complex world
Sure it is.
Is this a deconstruction?
No, it's more like an affectionate parody. A deconstruction is more of a criticism, trying to make the genre or work it's based on look stupid. The Tick is a superhero comic, but with the undying goofiness of superheroes amped up for comedic effect.
>trying to make the genre or work it's based on look stupid
Not exactly.
>No, it's more like an affectionate parody. A deconstruction is more of a criticism, trying to make the genre or work it's based on look stupid
This isn't true at all. Deconstruction just means being critical of the way a work or trend tries to express its intended meaning through language and art. Frick I hate Petersongays and their reflexive aversion to examining things they have emotional attrachments to.
>deconstructiongay says they are just thinking critically
>90% of the time, their "deconstruction" is just "X but everything sucks"
at least stop pretending what you write is not just satire in disguise
Not at all. I welcome anyone who wants to make more.
The only two Superman deconstructions I liked was Omni-Man and Metro-Man. Omni-Man because he was bad ass and I like Lawful Evil Characters. Metro Man because the idea of a Superman who doesn't want to be apart of the clown show that is being a Superhero and leaves to do what he wants to do resonated with me.
Only when they're shit, most of which are but most cliches and genres are guilty of that.
Sorry, anon, you're about to really not like Omniman.
It's been over 40 years since that was the case though and even then it''s more a case of them being pigenoholed into purely for kids rather than a simple extension of the action genre that could appeal to anyone.
>It's been over 40 years since that was the case though and even then it''s more a case of them being pigenoholed into purely for kids rather than a simple extension of the action genre that could appeal to anyone.
You will never convince me nor most anyone that capeshit like Superman/Capt Marvel/Flash will ever be mature. They're wish fulfillment for children, so any adult who tries to take them seriously comes across as a manchild.
>people with powers actually wanting to help people is infantile wish fulfillment
>people with powers doing drugs and being nihilistic is totally not an infantile wish fulfillment
I wouldn't call Omni Man a deconstruction
You're right MetroMan is unironically a good deconstruction though. He's an extension of the idea that you are what you choose to be, you aren't want you are born.
>what you choose to be, you aren't want you are born.
you might also as well enjoy Gohan
Yea Megamind is probably in the top 5 for deconstructions of cape stuff in general.
learn the difference between satire and deconstruction you stupid mother fricker
No, they’re infinitely more entertaining than flawless unrealistically good people
Pretty much. Any idiot can break down the parts of a genre like this and subvert expectations. It's now become predictable, and no one really has anything to say anymore.
So we go back to basics but with a modern spin? What would a heroes journey for this generation be?
A rejection of deconstruction, reconstruction like Gurren Lagann, that’s still uplifting and inspiring
Couldn't think of Cinemaphile-related examples like Astro City?
Striving to be genuinely good and loving in a jaded shitcrap world and hopefully inspire others to do the same.
My opinion is that, so many normies love the superhero deconstructions (and a lot are good) but without even knowing or appreciating the genre it's deconstructing
I've got friends who, when shown Doctor Strange were like, "lol he looks like so and so from venture bros", like gurl what do you think that character is based on?
Getting there, though mainly because they're...
>A.
Getting predictable.
>B
We're reaching the point where the deconstructions are outnumbering what they're supposed to be deconstructing.
>C
The constant negativity is kind of annoying. I would prefer a deconstruction if there's a reconstruction of sorts as well. Like how being a superhuman COULD be bad and they could break down and be super horrible, but then how that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
>If superheroes were real, they'd all be sociopaths
Dude, I don't even like being bad in video games.
I do.
I loved Irredeemable, what other evil superman comics should I read?
I’m forgetting the name so hopefully some other anon knows it but, there was this other evil Superman comic where a reporter is replacing the previous one and is discovering the Superman expy is not what it seems, and that his predecessors death might not have been an accident.
No but I'm sick of The Boys and Invincible. Frick those.
At this point just a normal super hero story that is not from the Big Two would be a breath of fresh air.
yes
>superhero deconstructions?
I don't know. Part of my big problem is it's still super hero. So the straight is Superman is a grown up boy scout, or what if superman was an butthole? At the end of the day I'm basically watching capeshit. You think it's clever because it involves real people would handle it or real world physics, but at the end of the day it's still just super hero shit.
Nobody is smarter for reaching deeper into Cape shit than surface value, you've just guven me more to think about.
I'm sick of everything.
Man I just wanna see another Good Superman movie but DC just wants to focus on Batman.
Me too fellow superbro
Ok fine Supergay, what would you want to see in a Superman movie that wouldn’t be so amazingly boring?
Superman vs Braniac
Superman vs Lobo
Superman vs Metallo
Superman vs Darkseid
Etc, etc. There’s tons of interesting shit you can do with Superman
I wanna see Brainiac shrink some fricking cities and Bizarro fricking break some shit. I want Superboy in the 30th century and seven varieties of kooky kryptonite. I want Lex in a fricking powersuit being a maniacal genius. Gives us Parasite, Metallo, Titano, Lord Satanus, Maaldor the Darklord and Mongul
Some fricking SUPERMAN shit ffs
I just want to see Supernan be a good guy and good person.
No
Why aren’t there any superhero reconstructions?
Have the total dickhead super slowly becoming the hero they’re portrayed as.
TV Homelander could do this, redemption via Ryan.
Yes.
>some "event" happens; guy gets superpowers
>turns out, he's a huge Superman fan and now he's got his full set of abilities, and there's no kryptonite
>does everything and I mean EVERYTHING to live up to the comic book ideal
>helps people suffering under poverty and oppression no matter who (Palestinians, Uyghurs, etc) they are
>takes down global crime rings even when they are run by various intelligence agencies and exposes their involvement
>finds and releases to the world all the evidence that the FBI supposedly lost in the Epstein case
>forcibly shuts down places like GITMO and other CIA/MI6/MOSSAD/FSB etc. black sites
>by halfway through the series almost all the worlds governments and other criminal organizations have teamed up to try and smear/assassinate him
That is the only super hero deconstruction I want to see.
That doesn't sound like a deconstruction.
It's a deconstruction of the world around the super hero. think about it: how would a real-life pure Superman be greeted in reality by the people who own the world? As a savior or a villain?
The government or some alphabet agency would try to nab him immediately, as with Doctor Manhattan in Watchmen and Superman in this
.
Have you read Superman: Secret Identity?
The last son of Alcatraz is what you want
bro that's just the nixonverse
I'm tired of the world's most blatant shilling for this trashfire show.
Even when it's done "well" it just ends up being a giant sloppy shit stain on the wall.
Probably an unpopular opinion but frick it, this story was fricking terrible.
I've seen people say this is actually a REconstruction.
>Everyone but the main 3 get no real chance for redemption and instead dies horribly
>Superman is given shit for trying to take control while the Flash does literally the exact same thing and no one bats an eye or even questions it
>Wonder Woman suffers nothing for everything she did (which caused said mass meta-human death) and is even later rewarded in the story
It's been awhile since I read the story and I don't want to remember or reread it because of how much it pissed me off.
Everyone claims it's one of the best DC stories around and it ends up being a wet fricking fart.
Is this count as deconstructions?
I'm even further past the phase of being sick of them and now just waiting for everyone to catch up
The boys is not a deconstruction.
How would you define it?
It is a criticism of the American army. They're called ''The Boys'' for that very reason.
Makes me dislike it even more then.
They're called The Boys because Butcher was referring to a kind of gang that existed during his youth. I can't find the exact quote, but my memory is something along the lines of 'if someone is acting up in your community, you gather the boys up in a van and go break their knees.' I suppose you could argue that they're called The Boys from a meta-perspective, but even then isn't the army portrayed very positively in The Boys? Keeping the heroes out of the army out of the fear that they'll get innocents killed is the entire point of The Boys (group, not story.) It's why Butcher makes the comparison to the lowest bidder guns that the military adopted that got people killed because they were so shitty. Or the Battle of the Bulge scene, where the competent military leaders got fricked over by bright and flashy corporate stooges. Hell, it's the military showing up at the end that ultimately puts down the superhero uprising, with Butcher's help.
I could understand the argument that it's a criticism of american corporatism, but of the military? The Boys work for the fricking CIA. There was a scene where Butcher beats up a Nazi while proclaiming how great the Allies were, USSR included.
The Boys is based on a series of US military scandals including Abu-Ghraib
Elaborate.
>one of the main events of the series is based on Abu-Ghraib and other sex scandals
I would say that the portrayal of the military industrial complex as better than Vought doesn't mean the book is saying that it's good.
You do have to take Ennis' whole deal with the military in consideration though. but I think his deal is more admiration for the guys in the trenches
I mean, sure, in the way that everything is presented better than Vought, it's the ultimate evil of the comic, but I wouldn't say that The Boys treats the military with any kind of nuance. Just thinking of times it was portrayed positively, I got, like, six examples in less than a minute. Thinking of times it was portrayed negatively, you have, what? They buy from the lowest bidder? That's the only thing that really comes to mind unless I'm forgetting something big.
Like, frick, The Boys presents a universe in which the military prevents 9/11. They just straight up stop it, and it's only because of Vought that those brave boys in the military couldn't stop the last plane despite being seconds away from doing so. They're portrayed very well.
He certainly does throw the 'industry' side of the military-industrial complex under the bus
Have there been any super hero reconstructions recently? All the good ones are from the 90's
Yeah, there's really only so much that's actually been deconstructed. How many times now have supers/metas/whatever been written to think they're better than normal people because they're powerful and famous, and the superman stand-in is a control freak fascist who's probably someone's puppet?