art has become completely divorced from the reality that the average person experiences
I don't think I'm the only one that feels like they just cannot relate at all or feel any kind of attachment to what is being made now
the themes being pushed and explored more often then not are entirely introspective and the problems that are made front and center are much higher on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
and with 40% of Americans basically scrambling for a living, while most "artists" come from circumstances that allow them to only worry about their own artificial egocentric self identity crisis, more and more people are becoming alienated from the very culture that's supposed to be uplifting their morale
remember, art and culture was and is primarly meant to be used to make the average 9-5 grind for the people that contribute materially more bearable, and most artists have forgotten this duty
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Cartoons aren't there to stroke your ego. They're a break from reality, the more removed the better.
sorry if it wasn't clear but the thing is modern art is being primarily made as NOT a break from reality but a constant reminder of it
an example of this is the older startrek vs the newer ones
Maybe they shouldn't be
Just because you were too dumb to spot the obvious references as a kid doesn't mean they weren't there.
no i did you moron, star trek and especially the next gen, which was much more humanistic in its approach though, following a crew and community through their trial and tribulations, through doing so it created a much more grounded world and thus relatable for the average person
no id rather AI not replace artists because then every other work place would be flooded my egocentric narcissist, and there's already enough spite to go around that we don't also need broken delusions through in as well
>NOOOO let me make a living off of b***hing about my own problems on the big screen that for the most part the average person can not relate to
your kind are insufferable, peak social alienation
Pretty silly take, seems you're more concerned with entertainment than art really. Or at least are unable to view art from a non entertainment or consumerist lens.
>cartoons that fill more primal desires
its called hentai
This.
Sounds to me like OP is looking more for some Cinemaphile stuff.
Probably not, because Cinemaphile stuff is made by Asians and is thus not for the "Average Joe".
Depends on your definition of "average Joe."
After all, Asians make up like 55% of the planet's population.
Cinemaphile is written and directed by actual autists who are worse than Chinese cartoons in some cases.
It's been 50 years and they still didn't ditch all the disgustingly autistic behaviour that feels like a weird mix of Shakespeare and 70s cartoons.
Every voice actor either delivers deadpan line or exaggerated lines.
Every dialogue line is written in a pseudo intellectual philosophical way like we're back in the 1800s or some shit.
Every character feels like a thot, a punk, a depressive moron, a smug butthole, a moron, a mute, a b***h, basically an autistic redneck primitive monkey stuck in the trees trying to imitate dated character archetypes.
Their animation style and directing is still stuck in Hannah Barbera and spaghetti western mode where a character isn't allowed to move, not even move their lips to match every vowel because moronic japs lack the sounds Ls and Vs make and their language is abysmal.
Great backgrounds(albeit very photoshopped), but Chinese backgrounds beat the shit out of Jap backgorunds.
Facial features while kinda pretty end up in that Hannah Barbera mode where everyone is copying each other. Same eyeshape, same eyegems, same mouths, same headshapes, even the same lineart, Same techniques everywhere.
Music is very generic. #Beach music #Villain music #Heroic music. Chinks don't compose original sounding tracks like Pirates of the Caribbean neither Harry Potter tier music.
Asians are a lot of things; amoral, bipolar, autistic, primitive, immature, behave like monkeys and robots. They lack culture too. They lack a giant corporation to fund them properly. Dreamworks ends up doing better research on Chinese and Japanese culture and folklore than the Jap animation studios do. Most western shows handle asian culture with far more knowledge than Japan does.
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Actually what the hell is it with American toons REFUSING to use any form of photoshop and 3D in most shows? You only see it in action shows, never in comedy shows outside of Courage the Cowardly Dog which also pushed the envelope for great SFX and music especially mixing wise.
Most American cartoon soundtracks sound muffled and with a very poorly done version of something similar or a song loop that lasts 5-10 seconds at most before the dialogue has to kick in again so you can hear wtf they're saying.
This is an AI shill thread isn't it.
Why can't you take responsibility for your own downfall?
man why would anyone want to work in comics
pay is probably shit compared to other professional art jobs
its a dying medium
deadlines are terrible for the amount of drawing you need to do
and despite dying every mistake you make is under a fricking microscope
>WAAAHHH why can’t everything be as simple and worry free like when I was a child??? Please mommy, let me RETVRN to a time where I didn’t have any responsibilities and didn’t encounter anything that upset my narrow social circle and view of the world!!!
OH now let me guess, you're going to start showing cherry picked examples that just so happen to be the worst parts of those works.
Go back to Facebook boomer
>calls me a Facebook boomer
>post moroniccompressed 20 times over jpeg with a rightoid revisionist view of Rome and History in general
Finally a non-moron on Cinemaphile
>l-le scary chuds!
Go back, election tourist.
Isnt it leftoids who say art should be "relevant to the masses" and that any atempt at transcendence from mundane life thru art or enjoying art for aesthetic reasons is fascism or something? That's like critical theory 101 and why they politicize art in the first place, OP is 100% a leftist.
No right winger would ever argue that art should exist solely for the masses, quite the contrary.
are doesn't need to swing either direction, as all other human endeavors/efforts it should be working towards making life easier and more bearable
>I don't think I'm the only one that feels like they just cannot relate at all or feel any kind of attachment to what is being made now
said anon while posting on Cinemaphile - Comics and Cartoons. Maybe the problem is that you're devouring slop for infants, and not that the very concept of "art" itself has gone wrong somehow
this board is considerably fast while also being somewhat civil in discussion
maybe i wasnt clear with my main point
im trynna say that modern artists are not workig with the mindset of creating works that inspire and uplift the average jane and joe and for them to temporarily forget about their 9-5 job
but rather for the main purpose of "self discovery" through expression, which can but not always does the above
and i don't think AI art or cartoons will fix the problem but fck sakes you couldn't have been too blindsided to not see this coming
>im trynna say that modern artists are not workig with the mindset of creating works that inspire and uplift the average jane and joe and for them to temporarily forget about their 9-5 job
What do the average joe and jane look like to you? Because this sounds about five seconds from you dropping the pretense and crying about wokes.
I assume this is copypasta, but whoever wrote this part:
>art and culture was and is primarly meant to be used to make the average 9-5 grind for the people that contribute materially more bearable
seems to think "the average 9-5 grind" is some inherent part of human beings, rather than a specifically modern invention contingent upon the rise of class disparity. As if there's no possible life where the people who work might also contribute to art and culture, expressing themselves and exploring their own humanity (rather than simply being distracted from drudgery).
Any claim that art is "meant" to be for one thing or another ought to be viewed with maximum suspicion.
>seems to think "the average 9-5 grind" is some inherent part of human beings
for most of post hunter-gatherer societies it was, sure it was different back then but the fundamentals are mostly the same
>Any claim that art is "meant" to be for one thing or another ought to be viewed with maximum suspicion.
absolutely, but it would serve everyone's interests if it was made with a more goal oriented mindset
That’s what happens when most creators live in California.
>all the newbies shitting on OP
I'd ban you contrarian morons in a split second. Get your AI/shillbot asses back to Tumblr where you belong. Feeling called out, you little SJW shits?
>completely divorced from the reality that the average person experiences
That's precisely what comics and cartoons are for. They're supposed to be unreal, impossible, imaginative, fantasy, absurd.
Comics fail when they try to be the reality that the average person experiences. Nobody wants to waste time and money experiencing it twice.
Spiderman was relatable to a lot of people.
>Spiderman was relatable to a lot of people.
Bullshit. Name one person with superpowers who fights evil supervillains. That is not relatable. It is entirely divorced from the reality that the average person experiences. And it's what Spider-Man was all about.
Beating up thugs is a relatable ideal to a lot of people.
Wearing tights and a cape? While the thugs are wearing even more outrageous costumes and hatching dastardly plots of technological wizardry?
Bullshit.
Depends on what OP means by "relatable."
If he means it in the modern "this person needs to live literally the exact same life I live right down to looking like me or I can't relate" sense, then that's shit.
If he means it in the classical "this person's belief/moral system need to be understandable and not completely alien and insane to me otherwise I won't want to read/watch things about them," then that's understandable.
The issue is that 90% of modern American media is made by pill-popping drug addict maniacs with a major inferiority complex who are completely unrelatable to any sane individual, and people wonder why fricking kdramas and anime are topping the charts so much nowadays.
Alright as usual I have to be the quality enabler here. So know how DC goes with Batman & Superman which you can't really relate to, right? Batman is a billionaire. Spiderman is just some nerd college student and photographer, but he's not OP like Superman, he doesn't have parents and his uncle is dead. Spiderman's social life is almost that of a loser except it's balanced with hot gfs, the ability to bullshit at his job as a great photographer(but wasting his potential), New York goes from loving to hating him, guy has depression n shit. He's no Superman and he's no Bruce Wayne.
Now come moronic shows like Steven Universe where you don't have nerdy prettyboy glasses femboy losers anymore getting bullied like Danny Fentom oh no no.
You now have fat, effeminate, israeli, crybaby, mental issues, incompetent, annoying, self-sabotaging characters because that's who Rebecca Sugar, Nefcy, DeviantArt millennial morons are post 2008. They didn't evolve, they were right there from the beginning, however Tumblr might have had a hand in making them think its okay to be the way they are.
Steven is like that annoying "gets in the way" background character which the MC tries to ditch. And it's not just Steven Universe or cartoons it's every single goddamn TV Show, movie, cartoon, animated film, etc.
It became so worse that Steven actually getting Cinemaphile and growing a spine was suppose to be written as evil like Venom, however he only merely reached acceptable levels of testosterone like Batman and Sugar and all the moron trannies thought: being a Cinemaphile testosterone-filled man, BEING A MAN period is baaadd.
Gen-zers became so fricked up in the head that they no longer consider Superman & Batman's bodies achievable, not even average bodies, they think being fat and ugly or anoxeric is normal. They became such incompetent parasites that they think doing normal competent things is a bad thing and an impossibility. That's how fricked
What you're saying and what OP was complaining about are two different things.
You're saying how comics are coming from a point of view about reality that is not shared by most people. That is correct. Most people outside the little artsy-fartsy bubble do not see the world the same way. The "truths" spouted by the nonbinary, gender-studies, queer ideologies are not the reality experienced by normal people. When comics assume that the ideology is reality, and try to insist on it, then yes, they are not relatable.
But OP was talking about art having a duty to make the average Joe's life more bearable, by being about things he is familiar with. That is wrong on every level. Art doesn't have a duty to anybody. It has many audiences. And different audiences will respond differently to art coming from different points of view.
If you want your art to be accepted by the artsy-fartsy bubble, then you might want to express it within a poltically progressive context, from a point of view that their ideologies are how the world actually works. If you want your art to be accepted by a mainstream mass audience, then you might want to express it without much political context at all, just tell your stories within the world you create for them.
By the way, you can create a world where the artsy-fartsy dream actually is the reality. Just be good at it. Every genre involves world-building. Just don't get preachy and insist that your fantasy world is how the real world works on the other side of the fourth wall, or you'll lose audience. Harry Potter and Star Wars don't insist that our world plays by the same rules, do they?
Pretty much. It's because these are issues concern themselves with and make it a point to other liberals to put into their work as creatives.
Didn't Cinemaphile related artists wanted to become "real artists" like the postmodern snobs that do "real art? Well those are the consequences, deal with it.
Entertainment was always divorced from reality, however it was never this bad and never the majority.
Back in the day we still had bullying episodes and the no kill rule (in the major capeshit shows, not in every single show). It always taught you morals, standards, intellectual things to "don't be a petty piece of shit, treat others how you'd like to be treated" the problem however was letting the goddamn villain escape with everything and at best putting him in prison.
Status quo was a massive problem for why so many shows were shit. MC would get swamped by only 1 group of friends and if those friends were shit tough luck nobody is going to kill them off. In reality you keep switching friends, schools, groups, etc. you don't stay there like a battered housewife.
Another divorced from reality concept is humour. British humour and American British-influenced humour was always dogshit.
However now? These Californian Deviantart Tumblr morons cannot tell a joke and provide a charming atmosphere to save their lives. Not even the slightest smallest cliche they cannot do correctly. They're literal vegetables.
Cartoons these days never ever pull the line "you're better than this/don't lower yourself to his level" because that concept is non existent in these morons heads. It really feels like a good portion of the 90s and 2000s is missing from their brains, like they only spent their time on DeviantArt and that was it or they only watched 2-3 cartoons and that was it. They have no culture of any sort in themselves, not even of their own cartoons, let alone proper culture like reading a fricking book and understand basic slang, knowing who Mozart is, who Leonardo Da Vinci is, who Elvis is, what a Spartan is, they have 0 knowledge of those things, it's like they lived under a rock their whole lives.
>Back in the day we still had bullying episodes and the no kill rule (in the major capeshit shows, not in every single show). It always taught you morals, standards, intellectual things
There was a reason for that, and it had nothing to do with artistic integrity. It had everything to do with the government looming over the entire industry and threaten to start shutting it down if they didn't pander to whatever Congress thought was "good for kids". Go look at the 1940s Superman cartoons, where they weren't afraid of killing the mad scientist or a bunch of civilians.
>remember, art and culture was and is primarly meant to be used to make the average 9-5 grind for the people that contribute materially more bearable
There's a school of thought that argues this is immoral and that art should function to accelerate some kind of dissent against an oppressive society for it to really mean anything.
Not saying I agree, but I've definitely heard this sentiment from art friends who are terrified of making easily digestible consoomer schlock.
Bro if you want cartoons without minorities just watch anime or eurotoons.
>while most "artists" come from circumstances that allow them to only worry about their own artificial egocentric self identity crisis
It has always been this way, what the frick are you talking about?
Yes but now those artists aren't whites so OP is triggered.
most artists are still whites and white israelites, same as back then even if they have a fetishistic obssesion with diversity now
I really dont know what OP is on about
>remember, art and culture was and is primarly meant to be used to make the average 9-5 grind for the people that contribute materially more bearable
This is the most souless take on art Ive ever seen, congratulations
Why do /misc/tards keep flocking in threads like this?
>Didn't even achieve level one