Asterix

Anyone else find the idea that Asterix presenting the Gauls as national heroes of France fending off the silly yet villainous Roman invaders somewhat ironic? You know, considering the comic is written in a language that only exists because the Romans successfully replaced the Gauls.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    You fricking donkey.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really ironic when it's just what everyone does? My own country had a founding myth surrounding one particular Germanic tribe, the Brits pretend they're Anglo-Saxons despite being settled by Vikings and the closest language to English being Frisian before we even get into the fact that they never properly integrated several other peoples who make up Britain, Americans pretend they're not a recent offshoot of the Brits fortified by the dregs of Europe, American blacks go shopping in Egypt instead of West Africa for pretend history.

    For Europe it probably has its roots in the Renaissance, when fruity people started pretending their immediate ancestors were morons and the Romans were where it's at, so people started grabbing back at that time period. So France choose Gauls, despite their entire country being named after the fricking Franks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now see here, old bean, we fought off the Vikings and the only real impact they had in the long run was up North, for example in Yorkshire, where their legacy is self evident in their love of drinking, punching people, and shrewd negotiational ability to lower prices as much as possible.

      And around Liverpool where the locals steal everything and have mad hair.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    sage

    not in the slightest

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >droolie questionposting

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    -many many of the present day french comes from the gauls language influence
    -gosto of the roman soldiers actually spoke greek,iirc. Only the elite spoke latin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >-gosto of the roman soldiers actually spoke greek,iirc. Only the elite spoke latin
      what the frick man !!!??? if anything it would have been the other way around most soldiers speaking latin and the elite speaking both greek and latin

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not really no

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pic
      For a totally-not-Asterix-honest comic series, it was as fun as Asterix was on average.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't like that the french humour relies on wordplay so much so I enjoyed kajo i kokosz a lot more on the average since they had actual interesting adventures and it was less about silly references

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good point. Asterix comics required a fricking multi-page lexicon to be added into each issue in order for a non-French reader to be able to understand half of the humour - actually, I wouldn't be surprised if modern French readers would require such an aid also, as nearly every cultural reference that made sense at the time of original release is now dated and irrelevant.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, Rome was lame. Shitty diets and med skin led to dysgenic manlets obsessed with proving their masculinity, because they quietly understood that as they stood there 4'5, wearing thongs under leather skirts while they scoffed at 6'0 blonde hyperborean pants-wearing warriors who ate tons proteins and didn't think green vegetables were poisonous in a doomed attempt to deny the obvious.

    Zergspam and groupthink has always been the tactic of the lowest common denominator. Sensible cultures have always despised it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rome won.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the best Asterix Books in your opinion?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this some official collage of cover art?
      I can't get over the fact that classics are coupled with such disasters as:
      >Dude, what if Obelix drank more magic potion and doing so turned him into stone, because reasons, and the druid cured him by accidentally turning him into a child, because reasons, and they travelled all the way to Atlantis, because reasons?
      >Dude, what if UFO visited the Gaul village, but it was actually disneyshit and capeshit aliens seeking to thwart anime invasion because manga and anime made Uderzo super butthurt?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uderzo trying to continue the series without Goscinny to write was a mistake.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The series continuing without either of them was even bigger mistake.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have no idea if this is official, i got it from an article aboit Asterix.
        The Atlantis is kinda an alright story. You need a plot hook to start the story. It is open for discussion if Atlantis is too magic. But the Spartacus part is nice as a hommage to Kirk Doiglas. And there was always the “why cant Obelix drink potion?“ question floating around.
        I reread it last year and it is a solid story. I would say it is more cartoony and can understand some disliking it.
        The falling sky is more flat and is too much infused with Uderzos love for American comics and hate for the Mangas. That is a kinda flat story. But i would say that this would work better as a cartoon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have fond memories of bretons I should reread it
      I guess for some reason I liked the ones where they traveled to other countries the most
      spain, suisse, egypt, america, belgium, corsica etc

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice list.
        For me the nostalgia would be egypt and Asterix the Ghaul. But for me
        Swiss
        Gladiator
        Britain
        Legionary
        Mansion of the Gods
        Magic Carpet
        Missing Scroll
        Chariot Race

        asterix the legionnaire

        asterix the legionnaire

        Good choice

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      everything up to belgium has to be mandatory reading for any self respecting comics fan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      asterix the legionnaire

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Best Overall:
      >Roman Agent
      >Laurel Wreath
      >Honorary Mention: Cauldron

      Best Country Visit
      >Corsica
      >Switcherland
      >Honorary Mention: Belgium

      Best Early one:
      >Goths
      >Honorary Mention: Cleopatra

      >Best Yderzo Solo
      >Magic Carpate
      >Honorary Mention: Son

      Best post Yderzo:
      >Chariot Race
      >Honorary Mention: Missing Scroll

      Still a very hard list to make.
      I can see arguments as to why Soothsayer, Obelix and Co or Mansion of Gods which are very unlike standard adventures would be someones favorite, why the great crossing is a great all around adventure with surprising tension at times or why Spain would be their favorite country focused one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Roman Agent
        >Laurel Wreath
        >Honorary Mention: Cauldron
        Cauldron, yes. But Roman Agent is good while Laurel is ok.

        >Corsica
        >Switcherland
        >Honorary Mention: Belgium
        Swiss, yes. Corsica is good. Belgium is the weakest of Uderzo&Goscinny one.

        >Goths
        >Honorary Mention: Cleopatra
        Goths is good but regarding all books very early stage. Like Cleopetra. Kinda like the Ghaul is good but you can see that it was an early version.

        >Magic Carpate
        >Honorary Mention: Son
        Yes, but the great divide is much better than son. Son is good and very historic on paper but after reading it not ver memorable.

        >Chariot Race
        >Honorary Mention: Missing Scroll
        I can agree on that. Pict is good but very cartoony. If you see it as a Umpah-pah homage it is really good. And the Griffin is well done too.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like wreath because they really have to stumble around trying to solve a problem they cannot solve just by beating up people or a single trick. Same for cauldron. I like agent cause it has the most memorable antagonist (rarely there is a single actual antagonistic figure, and I think it works a bit better than soothssayer)

          I like belgium for the competition gag, but I guess I put too much personal preference. I could put spain as a mention over it easily.

          I like goths a lot for the traitor chase gag and the civil war one in the end, but I guess Cleopatra is more consistent. And the Big fight has some actual tension till the end, I could switch places possibly.

          I do NOT like the great divide. I think only Yderzo's hateboner for manga is worse.

          Griffin is indeed good, better than chieftain's daughter which is also not bad.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but I guess I put too much personal preference
            No, you didnt. My question was your picks. Just i thought it is rude to not comment on all the posts. So i just gave my opinions.

            And you are right that the ones where they stray from the norm are very good how they vary the theme that Asterix and Obelix can win.

            >I do NOT like the great divide.
            Heard that alot. But i like that he homages classic literature more. I think this is kinda a story that feels more like literature.
            >I think only Yderzo's hateboner for manga is worse.
            I agree. I just can see that there is a story underneath it.

            >Griffin is indeed good, better than chieftain's daughter which is also not bad.
            I agree. Chieftain was a little bit wonky at first for me. But after rereading it is well done.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Olympic games
      It's fun having the whole tribe for the journey
      >Corsica
      Hilarious
      >Obelix and Co
      Unconventional
      >Legionare
      Fun cast

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Olympic is really a nice travel comic. You are right, this is the only one where you have the village involved in a travel story.
        Corsica is in my eyes one of the weaker stories. It really captures the spanish themes and have alot of homages and easter eggs. But the story kinda just walks.
        Obelix and Co is great, forgot about that. And very critical about modern times.
        Legionare is very good with several turns.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Asterix at the Olympics has one of the all time best running gags, the Roman legionary athlete who gets depressed and nervously sweeps the floor in anticipation of his demotion. Like many of the best Asterix albums it takes a modern day problem (doping in sports) and builds a humorous storyline about it mixing in concepts from classical antiquity. The story itself is very clever in how it uses the magic potion. Definitely the golden era of the comic.

          Corsica is kind of a mess, this is the era where Goscinny starts to increasingly rely on characters shouting when he can't think of any good jokes. The art style has also degenerated pretty severely by this point in the 70s and everything starts looking completely off model. Obelix & Co is definitely one of the better stories in the late Goscinny era, but also suffers from the bizarre new art style.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Roman athlete who thinks he has no chance and so starts sweeping is really,a noce running gag. I dont know if there is a golden age. I dont know clearly which book was when released. And i would say that there was a time they released books in a short time or Goscinny was writing several series beneath another.

            Did it change the artstyle? I only remember there is an early stage (Egypt) and the refined art (house of the gods). But imcant say when the change ocurred.
            Corsica is a little bit too much road movie. I might get hate for it but i think Tour de France and Chariot did it better. They dont feel so stretched.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole point of the comic was to lightly satirize French history and the French self-image. The underdog story of the plucky Frenchmen fighting off invaders who want to oppress them and make them pay taxes is tongue in cheek.

      My personal top ten:
      1. Asterix & The Cauldron
      2. Asterix & The Roman Agent
      3. Asterix & Cleopatra
      4. Asterix in Britain
      5. Asterix in Switzerland
      6. The Laurel Wreath
      7. The Mansions of the Gods
      8. Asterix at the Olympic Games
      9. Asterix the Legionary
      10. Caesar's Gift

      One I think is kind of underrated is Asterix & The Chieftain's Shield, which isn't a top 10 but gets overlooked.

      There's not that many particularly bad ones in the original Goscinny run but I think the consistency starts waning a bit around Asterix & The Soothsayer. Asterix & the Great Crossing and Asterix in Belgium are the only ones I feel like are duds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice list. But Roman agent and Laurel seems to be in high regards. For me they would rank lower.
        Cesars gift is a good one too. It seems very popular because of the teenage daughter of the winner.
        The chieftains shield is one of the rare mysteries or seek a friend books.
        Belgium is a weaker one. The great divide in my eyes is good. But i can see how some people miss the Goscinny humor or storytelling.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think with Roman Agent the concept is among the strongest in the series, gossip and envy destroying the village. The character of Convolvulus is one of Goscinny's best inventions, the way he unleashes chaos on the village by simply handing Asterix a gift is so expertly done. The Laurel Wreath I have to rate really highly for the incredible depictions of Rome (and Lutetia) as well as some unexpectedly great character moments between Obelix and Vitalstatix. It's a pretty chill and laid back gag fest so it's not one of the most memorable storylines, but I don't think that's a weakness, that's true of some of the best Goscinny comics. Goscinny uses one of his favorite plot devices, the impossible wager to its full effect and Uderzo overdelivers on the story's real main character, ancient Rome.

          If I had to pick a few favorites, I'd go:
          >Funniest
          Switcherland. So many gags and making fun of stereotypes and unconventional visit to a country
          >Best character interactions
          Roman Agent or Ceasar's gift. When there is a problem beyond punching, it brings out their best. Soothsayer comes close
          >Best Adventure Overall
          Cauldron for Uncovvential approach, Spain for having the best 'blueprint' of 'visit country, shenanigans'. Britain established it very well too

          I also love the thematic approach in Asterix in Switzerland. The Gauls have similar values to the Swiss in that they care for the injured Roman inspector, even though he's on the side of the badguys. The theme of the story ties in with the country visited. The contrast between the filthy Roman orgies and the neat and tidy Swiss is also inspired. Definitely one of the best travelogs. Asterix in Britain is also really strong in that regard, it feels like a WWII occupation story about sneaking war supplies behind enemy lines.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I also love Laurer's wreath gag 'We will fight for our slavery'.
            It makes perfect sense in the story, but I have not read this anywhere else.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gauls
    >french
    Weren’t the Gauls essentially buckbrocken by the franks who enslaved them after the Romans?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Franks were Ghauls. Just a German+Ghauls hybrids.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then Where do Belgians fit into all of this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are franks. Belgians are french + germanic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, more accurately the modern French are Romanized Gauls who got buckbroken by their Frankish/Germanic overlords so hard they started to LARP as them despite their Gallo-Romance origins
      If they had any dignity they would've renamed their country to Gaul while they were guillotining the nobles, but instead they decided to keep using their cuck name

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Languages evolve. But this irony is something you see how France uses Roman technics and know-how.
    Maybe when you see it more about not being oppressed and instructed by some elite from above. Asterix is much more little man versus the goverment. Thats why it works in France and Germany. And with kids.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did we like the new live action movie?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didnt watch it. The trailer wasnt good.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I had to pick a few favorites, I'd go:
    >Funniest
    Switcherland. So many gags and making fun of stereotypes and unconventional visit to a country
    >Best character interactions
    Roman Agent or Ceasar's gift. When there is a problem beyond punching, it brings out their best. Soothsayer comes close
    >Best Adventure Overall
    Cauldron for Uncovvential approach, Spain for having the best 'blueprint' of 'visit country, shenanigans'. Britain established it very well too

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, the character interactions in Romans Agent is really good. And Sean Yconnerys likeness is on point.
      Soothsayer is nice on the interaction the villagers get.
      Cauldron really sets up the story in a new way.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For a long ass while I actually thought this was real.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong.

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