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>Avatar Roku Fights a volcano instead of escaping from the volcano by boat with the locals
>Dies

Is he moronic?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was trying to save his home.
    But that was just really bad
    Guru Laghima had it right, just let go of all your earthly tethers.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If he cared about his home, why didn't he carve out huge retaining walls or trenches to divert the lava as a precaution in the 20+ years he was sitting on that island with his thumbs up his ass?

      Did he ALSO think the volcano we see smoking was dead?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sokka wasn’t there to point it out, the average person in avatar tends to be extremely moronic when noticing things like that.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    All avatars apart from Aang were absolute morons and abject failures.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      each have their mistakes which are somewhat corrected by the next avatar
      korra (accidentally) cleaned up the airbenders mess

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Korra had nothing to do with that. It was just the effect of Harmonic Convergence not the spirit portals.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Korra had nothing to do with that.
          It was clearly her doing.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe it was a Yellowstone tier supervolcano and he was saving half the Fire Nation islands.

      Kyoshi was a good girl.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >deliberately didn't do anything about Emperor Chin conquering the Earth Kingdom until he arrived in her home town
        >destroyed local ecosystems and created catastrophic earthquakes just to give her home town autonomy
        >set up an underground police force that eventually ran the Earth Kingdom as a fascist dictatorship
        >was a raging dyke
        Kyoshi is argubly one of the worst.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some guy conquering the Earth Kingdom wasn't necessarily a bad thing, immediately.
          Unification can be a great thing for a people in the long run.
          When he showed himself to be a total irrational tyrant, that was when she dealt with him sensibly.
          The Dai Lee going haywire was on the Earth Kingdom itself for fricking up over and over to the point where they took over from the incompetent monarchs.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Unification can be a great thing for a people in the long run.
            Was the Earth Kingdom (in the singular) not already unified? Like Ba Sing Se was around at the time, we see on the map Ching didn't conquer it.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Was the Earth Kingdom (in the singular) not already unified?
              They never really explored this. It's not quite a plot hole, but it is an oversight in the otherwise fairly tight and well constructed worldbuilding. There's an Earth King in Ba Sing Se but Bumi is also the king of Omashu? The only explanation I can come up with is either
              A: the Earth Kingdom should be more accurately translated as Earth KingdomS, plural, and not making it plural was simply a translation convention from Chinese, which has no plural form of kingdom (the kanji 國 can be either plural or singular and is context dependent)
              B: the Earth Kingdom is a kingdom, singular, but its internal politics are like the Holy Roman Empire: it's incredibly decentralized and feudal, and each little county or province is run by its own localized aristocracy that pays lip service to the Earth King in Ba Sing Se but faced with an external threat like the expansionist Fire Nation, they're all left to fend for themselves with very little cooperation between the territories.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bumi probably just called himself King after Azulon/Iroh invaded and conquered all the way to Ba Sing Sei's gates.
                The Earth King wasn't doing shit to beat the Fire Nation, so why should he listen to them?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who the frick was going to tell Bumi he couldn't call himself king?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              He had to have gotten men from somewhere.
              He isn't called a rebel general or anything, but a Conqueror in the model of Qin Shi Huangdi.
              So apparently in that time the Earth Nation was disunified and decentralized significantly.
              Ba Sing Sei probably wasn't in charge as the head of the Nation, yet.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe, but ultimately doesn't that just reinforce the theory that the authority of the Earth King is institutionally weak by design? Let's assume just for the sake of argument that the Dai Li are cooperative and not glowrockies that have seized the mechanisms of government because that's a whole other issue altogether:
                >Fire Lord Sozin conquers and colonizes territory on the coastlines: the Earth King either won't or can't do anything about it, it takes the Avatar's intervention to stop any further landgrabs
                >Fire Lord Azulon sends his son General Iroh to siege Ba Sing Se for 800 days (roughly two years): the besieging Fire Nation army is deep inland into the continent, and even if they hold coastal territories, not a single Earth King army tries to break the siege from the outside
                Underneath the surface level parallels of the Hundred Years War mirroring the Imperial Japanese invasion of China in the 20th Century, the actual mechanics of the war reminds me more of the England vs. France Hundred Years War, where a smaller but more unified and competent island kingdom was able to make lots of initial gains on a larger continental foe because the continental kingdom was decentralized, and each territory was more interested in preserving themselves at the expense of their neighbors instead of presenting a united front against an aggressive invader.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Meant to reply to

                Bumi probably just called himself King after Azulon/Iroh invaded and conquered all the way to Ba Sing Sei's gates.
                The Earth King wasn't doing shit to beat the Fire Nation, so why should he listen to them?

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                See this is where we need to stop analyzing the military actions since it's plainly obvious it wasn't considered in enough detail to justify the state of the world. Frankly what we see Earth Benders capable of should absolutely devastate Fire Nation armies if they ever came up against a force of Benders.
                >Every Earth Bender can function as catapult and a tower.
                >Tunneling to move under cover, and infiltrate or lay traps
                >Destablizing the ground into quicksand and sucking people under.
                >Whisper-quiet maneuvers to isolate and abduct individuals.
                >Earth Benders have been seen to out-manuver tanks
                >They can coat themselves in hard rock/crystal/candy armor, to resist weapon blows and fire blasts
                >Toph at the very least is capable of covering distances using the Road-Runner style to lift the road off the ground and moves at a speed comparable to a skybison
                Just these factors alone should be enough to make terrifying counter-attacks. Teams of bender shock troops that could easily route fire nation forces. But we don't hear about them. Hell we only have one organized Loyalist Earth Bender team who were used to show how badass the Drill was.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >we need to stop analyzing the military actions
                That's just you, there's no "we." I'm not analyzing the minutiae of bender-on-bender (lol gay) gorilla warfare, I'm analyzing the geopolitics that motivates it in the first place: the why and not the how. WHY didn't anyone send reinforcements to Ba Sing Se? It could be any number of reasons. Maybe they did and after failing the lift the siege they didn't want to risk any more casualties. Maybe the Earth King (or the Dai Li, whoever was really in charge at the time) explicitly told them not to. Maybe they were supremely confident that the walls could hold against anything so they didn't see the point, let the stoppable object grind itself down against an immovable object. Any of these explanations is valid as the other. Like you correctly point out, the writers and Bryke never considered this in detail, it's not all that important to the story and setting. But for my money, the only explanation that explains why there's kings but also an Earth King is a political one (slash the writers just don't care about autistically developing the political system for a children's cartoon)

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think we need to chalk that up to it being like the 5th episode. The history of China is civil war so even though Chin isn't called "The Usurper" or "Rebel" it definitely fits the parallel for him to have been.

                To the point we get it established later that Kuei 52nd Earth King. Not 52nd "King of Ba Sing Se", "or the SwallowtailOtter Dynasty" just "Earth King". It'd be worth mentioning if the kings had such a short lifespan 51 came and went since the time of Kyoshi.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the kings had such a short lifespan 51 came and went since the time of Kyoshi
                The writers have always had a terrible sense of timescale, but you could justify it by assuming the Earth Kingdom underwent several eras of great instability. Like Imperial Rome had
                >the year of 4 emperors (AD 69)
                >the year of 5 emperors (AD 193)
                >the year of 6 emperors (AD 238)
                That's 15 monarchs accounted for. Throw in a few more palace coups, early retirements, ambitious pretenders to the throne, hunting accidents and hunting """accidents""" and its easy to hit 51 by the time Aang wakes up from the iceberg.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the kings had such a short lifespan 51 came and went since the time of Kyoshi
                The writers have always had a terrible sense of timescale, but you could justify it by assuming the Earth Kingdom underwent several eras of great instability. Like Imperial Rome had
                >the year of 4 emperors (AD 69)
                >the year of 5 emperors (AD 193)
                >the year of 6 emperors (AD 238)
                That's 15 monarchs accounted for. Throw in a few more palace coups, early retirements, ambitious pretenders to the throne, hunting accidents and hunting """accidents""" and its easy to hit 51 by the time Aang wakes up from the iceberg.

                I don't see any reason to assume the title of Earth King didn't exist before Kyoshi. And Chin never took Ba Sing Se, so the royal line presumably wasn't broken by his conquest. I would assume the situation was something akin to Kuvira where Ba Sing Se was politically weak for one reason or another and so some conqueror rolls through and gobbles up all the disorganized vassal states until he comes up to the Avatar's doorstep and gets smacked down.
                Really, Kuvira's story is basically just the Netflix version of Chin's conquest. It even has Chin recast as a stronk woman and the Avatar raceswapped to be browner.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fair but it still wouldn't fit all that well unless the Ba Sing Se Royal line was delusional and calling themselves kings of the nation when it wasn't true. Because a king that came along later and swept up Chin's leavings to actually do that would definitely give themselves a new title.

                >the kings had such a short lifespan 51 came and went since the time of Kyoshi
                The writers have always had a terrible sense of timescale, but you could justify it by assuming the Earth Kingdom underwent several eras of great instability. Like Imperial Rome had
                >the year of 4 emperors (AD 69)
                >the year of 5 emperors (AD 193)
                >the year of 6 emperors (AD 238)
                That's 15 monarchs accounted for. Throw in a few more palace coups, early retirements, ambitious pretenders to the throne, hunting accidents and hunting """accidents""" and its easy to hit 51 by the time Aang wakes up from the iceberg.

                Right and I'm saying those would inherently be interesting and I'd assume they'd be brought up. But you want to hear the punchline to this joke? They (or at least whoever did the Kyoshi novel) established Chin revolted against the 46th Earth King. So now we've gone from trying to figure 51 kings in a 400 span to... 5. All of these buttholes ruling for a Ozymandias-and-a-half

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >it still wouldn't fit all that well unless the Ba Sing Se Royal line was delusional and calling themselves kings of the nation when it wasn't true

                Nonsense, why would the Earth King abandon his title just because some upstart is gobbling up the provinces? It's a bit delusional once Chin's conquered everything outside the capital, but the Earth King has every motivation to continue calling himself the rightful ruler of the Earth Kingdom until the day Chin kicks down his door.

                >Because a king that came along later and swept up Chin's leavings to actually do that would definitely give themselves a new title.

                First, there's no reason why someone taking over after Chin couldn't or wouldn't just assume the title of Earth King to emphasize their legitimacy. I wouldn't have been surprised if Chin would've started calling himself the Earth King if he'd ever managed to take Ba Sing Se.
                Second, the position of Earth King never actually changed hands. Presumably after Chin's death, his territories and armies fell into disarray and the Earth King at the time was able to reestablish control.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with everything you're saying. I think the confusions is around the point I implied but didn't re-state: I don't think the title of Earth King was invented in or after the time of Chin: or that Chin was the "original unifier".

                Further my reasoning is that I'd generally expect them to do the equivalent of declaring themselves emperor after actually conquering the whole land instead of remaining "King" of their province that now happens to cover everything.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well there's a difference between being a king and being THE Earth King. Really, it comes down to motivation. Kuvira actively wanted to sweep away the old, archaic trappings of feudalism and royalty and establish something new, so she changed the names. Someone else might have less idealistic motives and desire the legitimacy that the old titles hold, so they just usurp the title of Earth King.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Really, Kuvira's story is basically just the Netflix version of Chin's conquest. It even has Chin recast as a stronk woman and the Avatar raceswapped to be browner.
                Frick

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              I was always under the impression that the Earth Kingdom was basically a collection of vassal states loyal to the Earth King of Ba Sing Se but otherwise largely autonomous. But the show isn't terribly clear about it and all the Earth Kingdom armies we see seem to be under the authority of Ba Sing Se.
              I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's some period of Chinese history that mirrors this situation exactly.

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I wouldn't be surprised at all if there's some period of Chinese history that mirrors this situation exactly.
                Yeah it sounds a lot like the Han Dynasty especially near the end is like that.
                >the power of the imperial court is largely limited to the capital and immediate surroundings
                >the emperor himself is largely at the mercy of the bureaucrats of his personal court
                >family clans and military governors rule large swathes of land as semi-independent warlords in the name of the emperor
                >these rulers have titles of nobility and offices granted (bribed) by the emperor (his court bureaucrats) and they use their authority to justify fighting each other and scheming to expand their own holdings

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Unification can be a great thing for a people in the long run.
            This is the same thought process used by the Fire Nation. Why is it okay for Chin to Conquer but not Sozin?

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Less genocide, assumedly.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            the Achemenid empire in our world was ruled by a King of Kings, his subjects where still allowed to have a ruler called king. Even rome allowed it's client nations to have kings, like Odaenathus, king of Palmyra, as long as they didn't rebel, payed the tithes and didn't consider themselves above one kingdom or another, they where fine. I just assumed it was the same with the earth kingdoms.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              But the Achaemenids and SPQR were multicultural and multi-ethnic imperialist states, by comparison the Earth Kingdom doesn't seem as culturally diverse. I'm more convinced its like the HRE where everyone is more or less one culture with some regional variations, it's just broken up politically.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Wanna repeat that?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, You were a shit avatar Kyoshi. You were even worse th-ACK!

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wanna frick the gay out of Avatar Kyoshi.

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    he was trying to quell the eruption to protect the people escaping the island.

    arguably many more would have died if he hadn't

    the real stupid thing is building your home in a volcanic island and not using your avatar powers to sculpt the caldera in such a way it can't erupt, or at the very least erupt away from your home.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous
  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kyoshi and then Air b***h are the worst avatars

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      His name is Aang butthole, not air b***h

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Avatars don't die

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dying is a prerequisite of being reborn.

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