>This world has received your message.
>I am a pacifist of this world. It is the luck of your civilization that I am the first to receive your message. I am warning you: Do not answer! Do not answer!! Do not answer!!!
>There are tens of millions of stars in your direction. As long as you do not answer, this world will not be able to ascertain the source of your transmission.
>But if you do answer, the source will be located right away. Your planet will be invaded. Your world will be conquered!
>Do not answer! Do not answer!! Do not answer!!!
How do you respond without sounding mad?
I wish aliens would destroy earth so I wouldn't have to see another worthless thread shitting up the catalog on Cinemaphile
So what’s going on here with every thread in the catalog being spammed with this exact post?
Show's coming out in a couple days, and the crux of the plot is OP's greentext
In the book the woman who receives this message led a miserable life and thus responds telling the aliens to wipe humanity out.
>Be born in communist China
>Wish for the destruction of the world
What did she mean by this?
>implying women need reason or meaning to do things
Communists and women ruin everything.
The cultural revolution had some mistakes
And there were quite a number of nihilists born as a result
the message of the books is that women unironically ruin everything
So the shitflix version will be different from the source
have you seen a photo of the author? I would hate women too. Well, even more than I do now I mean.
My favorite part of the books is how in the second book the author obviously got a GF because the first book did well, and then by the third book she'd left or cheated on him or some shit so he had to frick with Luo Ji in a fit of rage. Couldn't just give the guy a happy ending?
>and then she hesitated for a sec but it was enough to destroy mankind
kek
even if he didn't it still turned out kinda funny
I thought the implication was Luo Ji broke up with her and then sat on his throne all day long staring at the fricking aliens because he was literally eye-raping them through sheer manliness... The trisolarians had mad respect for him, it must be because he devoted himself completely to his task at being a swordholder.
Another interesting theory is that his wife was an agent send by the government to make him do his job in book 2, but in book 3 he does seem to regret not spending more time with her and still loving her so i doubt that one.
It was pretty obvious she was a government agent, which is why she froze herself in the first place. He still loved her even though she was a spy, but she ditched him when the job was over and he saved humanity, and so he went full swordholder.
The development of ANY life. Maybe I could buy something like LUCA forming in an ocean on trisolaris, but the idea of multicellular life is absurd. Tardigrades wouldn't last a millennia there, and they're about as hardy as we can imagine life being.
Organic compounds are notoriously weak to heat. I can't even imagine what kind of cellular structure you'd need to survive a furnace.
Then why is Luo Ji looking contemplative with a soft smile at the painting of Mona Lisa? Because he was played? C'mon man... You're also forgetting the immense respect the trisolarians have for Luo, and sophons see everything. They respect people who worship themselves for their jobs.
You can’t comprehend that life other than the types on earth can exist. Hell, even earth has life that is capable of going dormant for decades/centuries and reviving without issue, to the point where scientists have argued whether or not to classify viruses as life.
We're talking about temperatures here which would degrade anything. I can comprehend life just fine, I can't comprehend anything surviving through multiple thousand degree temperature swings. These are temperature differentials we use to alter the states of metals, they are NOT SURVIVABLE.
Organic chemistry requires weak bonds. Imagine putting all your energy into fusing your molecular structure into graphite, and any change requires you to use mountains of energy to reform it. Forming anything even half-close to a neuron would be an absolute fantasy.
>can’t comprehend how RNA based life would be more robust and slower to increase in complexity than DNA
>doesn’t get this obvious parallel between China and the United States
Anon, I’m sorry to inform you, but you have the dumbs.
>RNA
>more robust
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
There's possible, and there's impossible. I'm talking about fundamentals here, bond energies. What you're talking about is no more feasible than dragons evolving in a sun, nothing can take those temperatures and pressures. Even assuming a 500 million year stable period with perfect temperatures, those amoebas would be wiped out the second a star got close again.
Viruses are probably more robust than DNA based life. They don’t increase in complexity because there’s no incentive, due to the amount of dna based life to feed on.
You are quite stupid.
Provably. Thanks shota-correct
>Viruses are probably more robust than DNA based life.
Look, buddy, you don't have a fricking clue what you're on about. Even RNA viruses depend on protein structures, and temperature denatures all.
Viruses routinely increase in complexity. Either way, they're not alive, they lack machinery and require a host to propagate.
>viruses aren’t alive
By the way we define it, and that’s also a subject of heavy debate.
Welcome to the end of the thought process.
Can you read? We're saying you don't even know what alien life would look like. Saying "x absolutely can't happen" is not a bet any rational science-oriented person would take. If you believe that there are possible millions or billions of alien species in the universe then I can safely bet at least one "intelligent" species came from a planet with extreme weather cycles. You're locked into your earth-centric view of things. It's kind of quaint in its moronic ignorance.
Women being absolutely moronic because they are women is a common theme of the novel.
>Saw her father murdered for refusing to deny science
>Dared to read poetry about the environment and was sold out to the party by someone I thought was a kindred spirit
>Tortured and sentenced to death for the aforementioned crime and because I refused to grovel for the CCP
>Saved because of my technical expertise that the party had killed her father for
>Abused on the Red Sea base by a clout chasing commander who didn't know shit
Gee I wonder why such a person might have thought aliens would do a better job running the planet than humans. Must be because she's a woman.
>Must be because she's a woman.
Yes.
Only a woman thinks "government bad" and their conclusion is to replace the government with a fricking bigger alien one there's even less of a chance to resist. Especially after being warned by a member said alien species that their alien government is actually worse.
A man thinks "government bad" and either concludes they need to replace government with their own or to remove government entirely.
yeah man why didn't she just start a revolution from the tiny top secret military base she was imprisoned at for the rest of her life alongside the 0 people she had any contact with in the outside world?
>replace government with their own or to remove government entirely.
Exactly what she aimed to do with the button. Ayylmaos were preferable to her to the current government.
Her irrational foid brain lacks the survival instincts to understand that she'll be killed too because she subconsciously expects the invaders to rape and impregnate her.
Lots of chinks feel death is better than life in China.
Yes it is because she is a woman and the book doesn't shy away from portraying genders accurately
THINK for just 1 second, would any american or chinese man doom the entire world because his mother or father got killed and they live hard lives? You can even see it in real life, they might not like their current leaders or crappy lives but male values are different and heroic, you can't name a single instance in which a man just goes "aight I prefer to doom humanity"
>Chinese man drives bus off cliff because he is assaulted by passenger.mp4
Her father was lynched during the cultural revolution and she gets sent to the ass of the earth to freeze her ass off, and then later, has to be all polite to the people who lynched her father. Not to mention she’s still living in Soviet China.
Cinemaphile is 99% male and at LEAST 90% of us would press that button so fricking fast it'd make your head sneed
>Cheng xin being too moronic to just push the button
To be fair, it would still result in the same thing, both races dying with only a few straglers left.
classic adventist
Hall monitor detected
t. adventist
Lmao Just Close Your Eyes, Just Look Away From The Screen Hahahaha
Just by the hideous thumbnail I could tell it was an N-Flix “movie.”
>thumbnail has the Netflix logo which is also just the word NETFLIX in all caps
Yeah no shit
>be chinese woman (source of all evil)
HERRO?
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I don't usually respond to alien messages but I'm going to go with my instinct on this one
underrated
>BMWF
not watching it
I hate women so fricking much its unreal
At least the woman swordholder did her job well!
For 2 seconds
>Woman instantly answers
The idea of shouting out to the universe “hellooooo, is anyone out there?” and then getting answered with “you need to shut the frick up or they’ll find you” is pure kino
this is exactly what happens and then a woman answers
>from the creators of game of thrones
is this supposed to make me want to watch it?
It’s a warning.
If
The chinese version had some sluggish early and middle episodes, but the last third and especially the last 3 or so episodes achieved a level of ludo-kinography I thought was long lost to man
Cinemaphile chuds won't watch it mainly because they can't keep up with the subtitles
I wont watch it because they spend 30 hours on a medium sized book...
Can you go five minutes without thinking about chuds?
that and like all chink shit
>too hard to tell anyone apart
>funny sounding names
>bad CGI
Does it cover all 3 books?
No just book one
But book two is coming in 2026
okay so what's going on here, story-wise? I hardly know anything about this book, but surely there's a reason why the chink and israelite versions show the same visual ad?
A Chinese woman was a physics undergraduate who was a victim of regime. She was forced to serve on a remote listening post. On front it's to detect enemy satellites but the true purpose is to search for aliens. One day after years of serving there she received a message from an alien, telling her not to respond otherwise its people will know where the signal come from. She, who lost faith in humanity responds anyway, and because of the aliens are coming to Earth but won't arrive for about 450 years.
what this anon said but also the aliens sent their equivalent of AI drones ahead of time to halt humans ability to develop higher tier technology and outpace them, those drones are called sophons and can frick with various computer simulations in particle physics experiments by just being present, physicists are getting false data, it's an interesting concept
there's also a moronic bit about physicists committing suicide coz the drones are fricking with them
>They’d come to understand not only that the sophon lockdown had made further progress in fundamental theory impossible, but also that the ability of Sufficiently Advanced Aliens to casually interfere with their observations called the whole concept of immutable physical laws derivable by experiment and observation into question. As Ding Yi puts it “Do you think only sophons create illusions? Do you think the only illusions exist in the particle accelerator terminals?” This realisation undermines their belief in their profession so badly that it drives some of them to kill themselves.
From tv tropes. So it's not only that sophons are fricking with them, it's also the despair horizon that the universe itself can be fricked with and how human beings are ultimately playthings of species far greater than them and how little influence they have on the outer world.
I tried to get into it but there's too many episodes for me
hurry the frick up chinks
It's funny because then the last 5 episodes throw non-stop kinography at you
They could have paced it better
I think they copied the book almost directly line for line, resulting in sketchy pacing
But it's preferable to what Netflix will do
Arguably, the tv show is even longer than the book, some characters are much more fleshed out and have expanded roles all without cutting any material (besides the cultural revolution stuff obviously). Also, Wang Miaos's wife in the TV show is top-tier, although most of the women in the book are portrayed as very cool or even icy demeanor.
>most of the women in the book are portrayed as very cool or even icy demeanor
Or incompetent. The author has a clear bias against women.
>Incompetent women
>Bias
Maybe he just met all my coworkers.
All episodes just turn on captions for subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDWJ213d2Ucr-3q9LDF9P1_j3Rr3GMJeS
This is required viewing if you want to be able to properly shit on the Netflix version.
I read the books, that's enough
Thx, if i have 65 hourse to waste i will watch it...
God forbid you waste your time. Well, back to browsing the internet in the middle of the night.
>totally not bots comment section
People are passionate about mature sci-fi. You remember what that used to feel like?
>three body
so in chinese the world getting destroyed by aliens isn't a problem?
Aliens aren't destroying the world, they're coming to live here and will be here in 400 years. All humans will be allowed to live out the rest of their lives but will be unable to reproduce. Humans who have aligned themselves with the aliens will be given special treatment, but humanity will shortly end if the aliens get their way. What do?
does the special treatment come with the perk of getting to frick the aliens? i don't care if i'm still sterile
They're the size of termites, but you can try
my second request of the aliens is a shrink ray
Not canon.
The chinese version is a sloppy soap opera with insufferable acting. I can see how Black personflix version would be worse, but it doesn't make this one good.
Obviously answer. I could beat up a few greys easily. With those massive heads and tiny necks. One good punch and it'd snap around like a bobblehead.
>tencent makes an almost perfect adaptation and throws it on youtube with decent subs for free
>netflix thinks their bastard version will have any audience at all
Ye Wenjie is a cute who did nothing wrong.
The only satisfaction I have regarding her character is that she died knowing she was wrong and regretting it
From a pure marketing point of view, they should have called the show Dark Forest or something. That you can make work, and you can use it thematically
3 body problem, the title alone, you just lost 60% of potential audience
Then when you explain what the three body problem actually is, how we can't accurately calculate the position of 3+ body systems interacting via gravity over time, you just lost 38%
From the reviews i've read they're giving away the biggest details in about 4 episodes and arguably the trailers already give them away. so they're not even trying to do the very slow paced methodical approach of the chingu version, which would also never work for American audiences
Netflix hire me
I agree. Looks like they are introducing elements from the 2nd and 3rd book early, like the weeb android.
>weeb android
Not even played by Japanese baka Netflix.
I am paraphrasing now and i cannot even remember who said it
One of those celebrity scientist like Sagan or Hawkins or something
but it was something like
"for ever math equation you put in your book you lose 20% of potential readers."
>Netflix hire me
are you black/trans and mentally challenged? if not we're not interested.
You'd think D&D would do exactly that since they loved to dumb down GoT for general audiences.
>The frick is a 3-body problem lmao is it about a threesome or smth nah some nerd shit dgaf
>this guy making Shi's final speech
this mogging will be dimensional
he's playing the cop?
yeah
Lmfao it's fricking over
Here's your Professor Wang, bro
WHITE PIG GO HOME
Actually Wang Miao is Eiza Gonzalez.
Why would they cast this guy? Does he have blackmail material on those showrunners or does he just come cheap?
familiar yet affordable
out of shape docile and not dangerous nor aggressive beta white male
he's FAT so it means he works with his BRAIN, oh nononono
wang will be a collection of scientist
I just don't like the casting in this series, Da Shi and Luo Ji are probably the most important casting and Wong isn't enough of an arsehole for Da Shi.
Yeah, it's pretty rough
>5 minorities instead of one Wang
>bargain bin Shi who's a comical baffoon.Thinking of him making the final speech is making me cringe.
Also Ye Wenjie going to be double mogged. Cute mogged and Elderly mogged.
watching the chinese Three-Body and then seeing the pig disgusting Netflix has radicalized me against America in the same way as Tuckers trip to Moscow
the Chinese already did it better I can say that without a single doubt even though the Netflix slop version isn't even out yet
so what's the drama here? Somebody wants to answer?
just fricking shoot them, there, problem solved.
Women always make life more complicated.
the Dark Forest is one of the less likely answer to the Fermi Paradox, so from the get go this show's gonna be shit
This is such a silly way of thinking. Even though I agree with you, can't you just accept a world where another answer is true, so that it can tell it's story?
Like I don't actually think Xenos can exist but I can still watch Alien and enjoy it
>the Dark Forest is one of the less likely answer to the Fermi Paradox
Says who moron?
if there was an ancient predator species in the galaxy with the ability and intention to hurt us, we would be dead already. theres literally no reason for them to wait for us to reach the space age.
detecting stuff in space is easy, the dark forest isnt dark, radio waves dont matter, earth has distinct bio signatures that are visible from hundreds, possibly thousands of lightyears away and has had them for hundreds of millions of years.
it honestly is so cosmically beyond us there's no point in worrying. Any species with the ability to detect us with FTL-Capable sensors of any kind would have pegged us by the 1950's when earth starts shitting all kinds of fun exotic unnatural radiation. If they want us dead we're already dead because the kinetic accelerator, gamma ray pulse, or any other exotic apocalypse toy is already on it's way. If they were capable of FTL travel, we'd be dead already.
>possibly thousands of lightyears away and has had them for hundreds of millions of years
Take aliens thousands/millions of years to receive, and equal/more time to send something back.
Realistically a space faring civ would not have any issue setting up singer style outposts every few star systems. The idea that a planet could evolve undetected in a dark forest is absurd to begin with, all planets could be easily checked every few millennia by a drone network and glassed if anything resembling life appears. All you need is a directive and an identification for progenitors so you don't accidentally glass yourself.
We haven't be radiating weird radiation for 1000 years.
you dont need to find man-made sources like nuclear radiation or radiowaves in order to check if a planet has life. there are plenty of bio markers like ozone, oxygen and methane that can be detected no matter what the life on that planet is up to.
any civilization that has mastered interstellar travel will have foolproof ways to check for life, and the resources available to keep tabs on every planet in the galaxy. its impossible to hide in space.
if there was a hostile species around, they wouldve glassed every world with the potential for intelligent life ages ago
You're not getting it. There aren't that many planets where life is feasible. It's not hard to zoo the galaxy, and even with a very slow checkup schedule, detecting life once every million years on every planet should be completely feasible for even a mid sized civ. Aliens would only need to be born a hundred million years earlier than us to have locked down the galaxy.
Yeah and how likely of a fermi solution is the star trek federation or dune empire, you dirty Black person? have a nice day.
I think star wars is the perfect answer to fermi paradox
It's over bros.... 3BP rated so low already
Even though I don't think the netflix show would be good, I really don't care about the ratings
infact if the normies were loving it I'd be pretty concerned
>season 7 93%
>season 8 55
lol
normgroids are something else
s05-s07 above 50%
They can never take the chinakino from me so I'll be happy if I can at least get a cool visual spectacle with the proton unfolding and hopefully the interstellar fleet
If they're really generous I'll get a nice eldritch space horror micro-cosmos eye getting nuked
But again, I've already finished and gooned all over myself. if I get an encore, that's fine. If not, okay.
They'll swap proton unfolding scene with folding a paper and stab it with pencil so the general audience could understand it
Can someone explain how the trisolarians were able to lock some scientific fields exactly
Is it just something I have to just accept?
basically fricking with physics at a subatomic level, so any tests involving particles produce inconsistent and unreliable results
Why only limit it to some fields then?
It's some of the fundamental fields that are required for human tech to progress to be able to fight against the trisolarian.
Sophons can't do much. They can't really stop you bolting some steel together, they just completely frick up sub-atomic physics, which the ayys see as good enough to stall humanity.
The level of space our unnatural radiation actually reaches is limited by the speed of light for obvious reasons, our signals have only reached about 50k stars. Given there are 100 billion stars in the milky way as a low estimate, you'd need about 2 million detector-destroyer facilities spaced evenly to have any hope of spotting us, and those would take about 100,000 years minimum to set up.
Anyone sufficiently advanced enough to kill us from across the galaxy has long since bypassed the limit of light speed signal travel and detection. Assume they've pinged us a few days after the first international radio broadcasts went live.
>bypassed the limit of light speed signal travel and detection.
As far as we're aware, this is impossible, and a universe with FTL travel has major issues due to causality. You can't bridge this gap, doesn't matter how many dyson spheres you build.
you dont need to pull FTL travel or FTL signal detection out of your ass to completely lock down a galaxy as an ancient predator civilization.
a methodical approach on geological timescales where you check every planet once every 100k years is more than enough to detect basic signs of life emerging, even with light-lag. they can send the relativistic kill missiles as soon as there's a chance something might crawl out of the ocean. you dont look for radio waves if your goal is to stay the dominant species in your galaxy, you just nuke everything that crawls to be sure
I thought they were just fricking with the data results. Something like a sophon would not be able to do much more than vibrate, but that's enough to skew a single digit of a single number of a vast mathematical process. Kind of like that voting computer that got hit with a gamma ray particle, and it completely ended up skewing the results. the despair people felt was that physics couldn't be real in any mathematical concept because none of the tests would give data that backs up any other data.
They insert random noise into every conducted test of a certain study so humans can't make a conclusive experiment
It's one of the most kino parts. There's an answer.
Watch from here for a couple minutes, they're explaining it inside a game that's a human interpretation of what happened
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But if you just want the answer
They sent a supercomputer inside a proton that's able to wrap and unwrap itself between dimensions that messes with our scientific results inside particle accelerators, among other things
I linked the time wrong, although that's closer to the part that's relevant, it skips some kino
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Thanks I watched it
I just thought of something really funny
Imagine the Sophon putting Black person into the eye of every black person. LOL!
>entire book series is allegory for sweatshop factory workers to not unionize or ask for higher wages
>it's socio political conclusion is for mankind to be a low tech self limiting consumer culture that never bothers with exploring the stars
go off Xi, you mad lad
I imagine Xi would identify more with Wade.
"I wasn't gonna answer you anyway." Then hang up.
Also, thoughts on Da Shi's behavior where he lays out Project Guzheng? Was it revenge? Or envy?
The first two books in this series were good, but the last one was completely fricking moronic
>The sun will set soon. Is your child not afraid?
>Of course she's not afraid. She knows the sun will rise again tomorrow.
>The latinx guy manages to find the perfect solution to issue
>When people realise what he's doing they turn on him
>He gets fricking lapidated or something for doing the obvious fricking thing
this has to be the most moronic part of the trilogy
I think people were mad at the time because the doomsday battled hadn't happened yet, so they had hope. Afterwards they were much more open to dark forest deterrance once they realised there was no beating them militarily
BRING IT ON YA ALIENS
needs audio
I made an edit of the destructio of the JD set to the guzheng version of Thunderstruck, but the gays at youtube won't allow it to be uploaded because of copyright. Here's the song anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=564u39PJfUI&pp=ygUMYWNkYyBndXNoZW5n
I'd reply too
I'd doom us all
Adventist to my core
I'd find it funny too and laugh about it
Ok thanks for letting us know.
>Take this razor, sign your name across my wrists, so everyone will know who left me like this
YE WENJIE LOOKS LIKE THAT???
would
Woah such a brave and controversial statement
Best Terence Trent D’arby song.
Wait, so ayyys send a radio transmission to humans, the humans answer, and then the ayys come and find and kill them? This nigg stole my fricking book premise.
It's more complicated than that but that's the just of it
Not exactly. Humanity still has some hundreds of years or so to get its shit together in preparation. Book 2 is a different thing, but also coming to Tencent along with a spin-off for Detective "Da" Shi (who was undeniably great in the show) https://bleedingcool.com/tv/the-three-body-problem-getting-season-2-spinoff-storyline-miniseries/
>with a spin-off for Detective "Da" Shi
A fricking mary sue
>(who was undeniably great in the show)
I swear every thread we’re people talk about the tencent 3bp I’m baffled by how terrible this boards taste is. Da Shi actor was god-awful. Is it just that everyone who sat through that slog hadn’t read the book and was just impressed by the ideas?
Might wanna try reading it first. The first one is so explicitly critical of the cultural revolution and the political climate of the proceeding 30 years im shocked the author isn’t locked away. The second book is about trying to communicate ideas with panopticon censors literally everywhere.
If anything it’s an environmentalist work in the same way Lord of the Rings is. Just sprinkle in a lot of anti-femininity themes.
You're the odd one out! Tencent Da Shi was epic. I hope we get someone good for playing the space meteor bullet shooter guy in S2
>I hope we get someone good for playing the space meteor bullet shooter guy in S2
Here's your Zhang Beihai, bro. Honestly, I don't care, as long as he is convincingly ruthless. Sieg Zeon!
>The first one is so explicitly critical of the cultural revolution and the political climate of the proceeding 30 years im shocked the author isn’t locked away
That's what I found surprising after reading it. I had to check if the author was living in China or was an expatriate. It's far from being CCP propaganda and I'm wondering if what we are being told about China and free speech is really the dystopian shit like we're told or they're just trying to shield themselves from american culture and degeneracy.
>if what we are being told about China and free speech is really the dystopian shit like we're told or they're just trying to shield themselves from american culture and degeneracy.
It's both.
There's a fantasy novel I was reading that got banned by the government because the themes of self determination with a villain antisocial main character were too strong.
Just because China isn't that moronic that they would pretend having millions die in a violent revolution is somehow a good thing doesn't mean it's not a dictatorship where people are routinely getting locked up for expressing harmless opinions or jokes.
It's ok to make fun of the old China but not today China and especially not Xi
3BP is a critique of Maoism, which is fine, because Xi and the current CCP are Dengist.
Look up the recent Hugo awards fiasco where a bunch of books got disqualified for being politically sensitive
China was a lot more open before Xi. Three Body Problem would never be published today. But it’s too well-established to ban now; that would be too embarrassing.
i don't
God it looks like such shit. Tencent adaptation was actually pretty good
Why would they ayy contact us at all if it wanted us to ignore it?
It was just the one ayy sending a warning to shut the frick up
This, and that honestly if she didn't respond sooner or later the ayys will find Earth and invade it anyway. You could argue her actions actually helped humanity to prepare instead of being invaded out of the blue.
>You could argue her actions actually helped humanity to prepare instead of being invaded out of the blue.
Sophon asspull meddling doomed research. Honestly, the fact we were only 4 light years away meant we were fricked anyway, but due to story asspulls it takes them over 400 years, and the natural assumption is it would've taken a fleet longer if they were just jumping star to star.
If they were hostile, they could've just sent a big rock over at NLS and killed us all and made the planet uninhabitable in 5-10 years.
The Trisolarans do not have that level of control yet. It's related to mass. they can control a single particle over a vast distance, or they can control a giant mass a short distance. They could send an asteroid, but as we find out there are even worse ways to go.
>The Trisolarans do not have that level of control yet.
It's absurd that they can build interstellar ships and yet can only really hit 0.1C.
In the second book humans shoot a brain at them, which they somehow manage to catch in transit, and the level of understanding they show by the third book should be well beyond basic physics. You're telling me they can't just send a teardrop with a sophon controlling it at a decent speed? We could do that TODAY and it'd get there in 40 years, not 400. Why give humanity 400 years when a couple of teardrops can wipe them out in 50?
The Trisolarans want to inhabit earth, not destroy it.
A teardrop could very easily be pushed to 10% of the speed of light, slowed to manageable levels by aiming it into Jupiter or Saturn, and then make it to Earth within 50 years. Then all you've got to do is fly around the planet for a year or two killing everyone, any pockets of civilization that manage to exist will be far too small to pose any threat at all for the fleet.
Ultimately, it's stupid that they even risk humanity becoming a threat. 0.1C on a large rock could easily wipe out all life without obliterating the planet, and the dust clouds will settle before your fleet arrives to a nice comfy new world.
Yeah but if they still inavded without making their presence known esepcially with the sophons sabotage, we won't get Wallfacers and Luo Ji. The again considering Great Ravine, maybe humanity fricked up even more so by the time ayys arrive or even that single droplet humanity would've been extinct.
>Honestly, the fact we were only 4 light years away meant we were fricked anyway
Trisolaris being super advanced but never bothering to explore the closest star system is one of the silliest things in the setting.
By the time they learned of earth it still took them 400 years to travel that distance. The sophons were also just finished but they did send those out to explore other galaxies. A lot of them reached black domains and stopped functioning (or be able to send back information).
>If they were hostile, they could've just sent a big rock over at NLS and killed us all and made the planet uninhabitable in 5-10 years.
Yeah, that's another important point. Trisolaris, in comparison to the average alien civilization, is still pretty damn naive. They didn't want to exterminate humans, they were just going to cull us and kick us off of Earth. Even Singer was fairly tame, asking to at least use the telescope to take a look before annihilating us. Most aliens would send a photoid or dual vector foil without a moment's deliberation on the off chance that a star system contained a single microbe.
There are people/aliens on both sides who have differing opinions on that matter. Not all aliens want to kill us, and not all humans particularly like other humans, as evidenced on this very board.
Signals lose power over distance. It's extremely unlikely alien civilizations would pick up our radio waves even if they were just the next star over. In the book the signal had to be amplified a millionfold by pointing it at the sun and even then it's like hearing a gunshot in a forest. You may know the general direction but it's going to be very difficult to get a precise location of a person based of that one shot.
man i should boot up a new stellaris campaign
How complicated is this compared to something like, say, Dune? Do I have to be 150 IQ to "get" it or will Netflix inevitably dumb it down anyway?
It's less complicated. It was written by a Chinese person so there are some Chinese sensibilities in it. But it's straight-forward.
Dune is more complicated I'd say, mostly because of all the cultural stuff. 3BP is more like a detective show with some light physics sprinkled in. Although, if you don't walk away with unanswered questions then you probably weren't paying much attention.
Its not complicated at all. The story and philosophy are about middle school manga tier. Interesting concepts but the later books literally have the aliens fall in love with Samurai and make a female samurai android to hang out with humanity.
Don't compare this slop to middle school manga. A cheap toy commercial like Macross has better story and philosophy in the filler dream episode composed purely of reused animation with some new voice work than the entirety of this chink "magnum opus".
"ok"
Havent finished the third book yet, but I heard its shit so i kinda dont want to. No doubt this netflix show will be shit too.
third book is weird because it has some of the worst moments but also some of the best + overall is very good, especially if you don't like women
Its extremely frustrating because the main girl makes literally everything worse for everyone from the start onward, and if she had just listened to the single American man humanity would have been not just saved but better off altogether. The fact that narratively, a chinese story has a chinese woman frick everything up while an American man just sits there groaning at how big a frick up she is just blows me away.
the author just has a disdain for femininity. he even shits on men becoming more feminine before the droplet attack.
> he even shits on men becoming more feminine before the droplet attack.
Will this make it into the netflix version?
they'll probably make wade kill luo ji and attack the trisolarans or something equally moronic
not neccesarily, if she did send out the signal the events would happen the same way only quicker. And if she did let Wade fight the war it could end in the entire spacecity being destroyed because they shot down many space ships and other agents destroying other space cities and then everyone would die without having 2 survivors... Ultimately the fault lies with society becoming pussified.
I am going to say this right now. The Chinese versions (yes there is more than one), will be better than the Netflix version
Frick off, space Black person.
I watched the first episode of the chinese version where scientists an heroed because "physics are not real"
what a dumb show
That is a minor point and mostly retconned. Yang Dong killed herself because she learned the truth about her mother and the others probably got targeted by sophons for psychological harassment. The universe flickering with a message is cosmologically terrifying.
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss deserve a lifetime of obscurity after they fricked Game of Thrones that bad.
>fat and ugly characters
The Chinamen won't be happy.
That said seeing that stupid fantasy VR shit just made me disinterested in the books.
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How bloated is the Chinese version?
It's a book you can read in a few hours stretched out to 30 hours of TV. So very bloated.
Just read the book. The chink show isn't very good, the Netflix one looks absolutely atrocious but at least it'll be short.
sounds boring and reddit
It sounds like reddit's version of 'hard sci fi"
Much better science fiction books out there that are more complex.
The dark forest scenario isn't very likely
A) resources in the universe are so plentiful its not necessary
B) game theory is often cited as an example, but game theory proves that cooperation outperforms selfishness/aggression
>resources in the universe are so plentiful its not necessary
The Trisolarans are leaving their planet because they have to. We're literally the closest thing to them.
The concept of intelligent life developing on such a dangerous planet to begin with is laughable.
I can imagine some alien species out in the universe looking at a picture of earth and thinking it's too dangerous a place to live. You're thinking like a earthling, which is cute.
A planet that gets bleached by a sun every few years and is so far away it's -200 degrees the rest of the time isn't suitable for the development of life.
Stability is a basic requirement. A stable period long enough to allow for the formation of trisolarian ancestors is impossible.
A bigger issue lies in their social structure, though. Deceit is somehow impossible for them, given they were designed as the opposite of the Chinese, and believe humanity wholesale until their supporters tell them otherwise. Such a system is completely incompatible with life, hive mind organisms are more believable due to basic resource competition.
You're saying hive-mind aliens are more believable than humans?
Can you not read? They're more believable than truth telling aliens existing on a rock with massive temperature fluctuations.
I don't even think you can call a hive-mind "intelligent". And I highly doubt something like Cameron's xenomorphs ever building a spaceship.
>the development of HUMAN life
fixed that for you. we're really soft, fragile creatures.
They developed at a glacial pace compared to humans. The whole reason they sent the sophons ahead was because they were terrified of what we would have become by the time they arrived.
Them developing at all is the issue.
It's because they devoted massive amounts of resources and labour to ensuring that at least one of them (the princeps, i.e. the kings/emperors in the game) would survive Chaotic Eras.
It doesn't matter how many resources they devote, nothing is saving you from the surface of the planet becoming molten.
C) they just kill everything for fun
You really don't understand the theory then.
>game theory is often cited as an example, but game theory proves that cooperation outperforms selfishness/aggression
there are more than just zero-sum games.
The point of prisoner’s dilemma is there’s too much incentive to betray, and even if someone trusts, after being betrayed, they won’t trust again. Same deal with public goods game.
3 body problem is a cool name I'll give them that.
All the books' names are goes hard.
>the three-body problem
>the dark forest
>death's end
>the redemption of time
I heard the aliens never appear in these. Is that true?
What sci-fi stuff occurs in the book? Or is it all humans reading radio signals and human drama?
Trisolaran = the USA.
Sophon = japanese.
Humans = new China.
Like it's all over the chinese forums at this point.
Singer's race = Israel.
Singer's race's colony = Palestine
>>But if you do answer, the source will be located right away.
As in "sometime in the next 20.000 years."
>first book is about the insidious manipulation by ayys who keep fricking with human science and secretly working with human collaborators to undermine Earth’s defense efforts
>meanwhile 30% of Netflix trailer is reaction shots of “le amazed people looking at the big alien device floating in the sky”
I don’t think these people read the book…
you go ahead then and make a trailer that is engaging for normies and just consists of protons colliding and scientists looking at graphs and scratching their heads
oppenheimer
>from the creators of Game of Thrones
It's almost certain that they didn't read the book, or if they did totally misunderstood the story.
Lmao you're right, the two probably don't read anything but pretend like they do
I thought they caused hallucinations.
Will they show trisolarians and other ayys?
>a woman invites the vampires in because shes mad
>women bad
honestly? he's right
Is the chink version good?
I liked it, looking forward to season 2 but it seems like the second book is not a continuation so that doesnt sound great for the second season
Isn't the chink version like 30 episodes long? How is it possible that it's only about the first book? How did they managed to stretch it that long? I've heard of a 6h remastered version that cut all the fluff, would make sense.
The second book is a continuation of the first. Some characters are gone and some new ones are introduced, the second book is better than the first one, by miles.
because it was filmed by Chinese directors who usually direct looooong Chinese tv-series dramas. No one watches those dramas in the West, they are about obscure scheming in ancient China or Civil and anti-Japanese war, but this time those people were given material for a franchise that Western people might notice, so they did what they usually do - make 30 episodes long series treating the book as the script.
I don't know if they could do the second book that way, because there are scenes that take place in space and they would need big budget.
My fricking god 30 episode for the first book it must be torture.
>I don't know if they could do the second book that way, because there are scenes that take place in space and they would need big budget.
I don't think chinks have the experience and competences to make the CGI required for the second book without it looking like a 30 years old slog.
On the Netflix thing, the trailers look sick. I'm not really worried about D&D because the books are finished, they don't really have anything to write plot wise. I'm more worried about Netflix.
their CGI is decent, they already made sci-fi for the book of the same author
Ah yes it's not bad at all. I should see what the first episode episode of their 3 body problem version looks like in hd. I've only seen shitty trailers on youtube.
No chance I watch the 30 episodes but I'll probably give that a try https://disembiggened.com/
>I'm not really worried about D&D because the books are finished, they don't really have anything to write plot wise.
But they started fricking up Game of Thrones when they still had like two books to go. They are arrogant and stupid, and WILL frick this up beyond belief because they think they can "make it better".
>But they started fricking up Game of Thrones when they still had like two books to go
The last two books but especially the last one is what killed GoT. It's the reason you will never see the last books. There are far too many plot points in the story now. It's just floating threads everywhere that you have to connect somehow.
It's plots that emerges from nowhere and nobody knows where they are going, not even the fat frick himself. Yes they ripped Lady Stonehearth but what is the point of that storyline? Nobody fricking know. Aegon? Nobody fricking know.
It's pretty clear now that GoT has a start and an ending but between them it's the void. The fat frick just write it as he go, there is no mindmap, no chart, nothing. So yes they ripped of some parts because they lead to nothing.
Here is the harsh truth, GoT ended exactly like it was supposed to end. It's how the book would have ended. Of course a lot of snowflakes don't / can't accept that, their queen Dany going mad, no fricking way. The second thing is that the books will never end because the fat frick don't know how to tie the story and two books won't be enough that's for sure.
What D&D did was tie the story as they can. The only blame we can give them is rushing it. The only one who butchered GoT is the fat frick and his incompetence.
You are acting like books 4 and 5 are about Aegon, Stoneheart, Eurons magic pirates or whatever, those things are barely a footnote in the grand scheme of things. There was zero reason to ruin all the good character arcs happening in those books, like everything to do with Jamie, for example.
>dude just cover all the minor plotlines and let the show run 15 seasons lmao
>actors don't age, audiences don't get tired of the same shit, and the creatives definitely don't want to move on to different projects
>we can be popular forever! look at The Walking Dead!
But they didn't just cut it for time, moron. They replaced it with dogshit. I suppose it was easier to just shit out whatever half baked garbage than adapt the source material that made you famous in the first place.
Gotta rush, god knows there are hundreds other acclaimed literary works to shit all over, waiting in the winds.
On the one hand, I “sympathize” with D&D in that they signed on to simply adapt GRRM’s story and were probably under the assumption that GRRM would have his shit sorted out so that the show ever outpaced the books. But then GRRM tried and fail to push Winds of Winter out the door in 2014 and D&D suddenly realized they’d have to improvise the rest of the story, so why even burden the story with those FAegon, Lady Stoneheart, Victarion tangents that GRRM can’t even resolve. They figured they streamlined the story. They did get extremely lazy past season 4 though, but you can even blame them for not trying to step up their game and course-correct when at that time those later seasons drove viewership numbers even more than the early seasons. Most normie viewers try to pretend retroactively that they saw the decline taking place over season 6-7 but the truth is most of them were completely suckered by the moronic, fanbait moments in those scenes.
In effect, GoT viewership skyrocketed up the dumber and simpler to follow it got. It’s astounding that so many people only realized what slop they were being served up when season 8 aired (and for some of them, that was only because Dany turned villainous), when seasons 5-7 were written this badly all along.
Amen, npc's are fricking moronic and will always inevitably follow Cinemaphile's direction. Every opinion that the whole of Cinemaphile shares will eventually be coopted by normie zeitgeist.
>and let the show run 15 seasons lmao
Are you telling me the network wouldn't love that shit? It's literally what they want.
What did they ruin about Jamie? It's been a long time since I read the books but I don't remember the story of Jamie being that different than in the books.
Oh it was poorly executed for sure, for that we can blame them. But the story itself is a mess, the books are unnecessary long and convoluted.
The real issue is that they were given an unfinished story and an ending and they had to tie it together because of a fat lazy frick. Absolutely nobody, not even the author himself, know what lie between the end of ADWD and the end of the story, if that was the case the books would be out by now.
Financially GoT was a success for them. Artistically it was their demise because they got tricked by a fat lazy incompetent frick. Before engaging they should have asked to see the mapping of the story and when the fat frick couldn't deliver because there are none they should have bailed.
Well we'll soon have our answer with this show. Is GoT their fault or the fat lazy frick? It's their last chance of redemption anyway.
It's been a long time since I read them as well, but he goes to the Riverlands, away from Cercei and her influence, missing his sword arm he has to deal with problems in other ways and grows to a better person and shit. It's some of the stronger stuff in book four.
In the show he goes to Dorne to do some hijinks with Bronn, then he returns to Kings Landing a dies in a rockslide with his sister.
>he goes to the Riverlands, away from Cercei and her influence, missing his sword arm he has to deal with problems in other ways and grows to a better person and shit.
This is exactly what his journey with Brienne is in the show.
That's the earlier part from book three, the part I'm talking about is without Brienne. It's noticeable in the show how his story act just stops and he ping pongs around doing a whole lot of nothing before dying.
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You're misremembering the order of things. Jaime story is: faithful dog to his sister and father -> go fight Rob Stark -> get fricked and imprisoned -> escape with Catelyn help -> meet Brienne -> Go back to King's Landing -> arrive just after Joffrey's death -> relation with Cersei goes south -> Tywin death -> refuse hand role -> sent to deal with Riverrun -> go find Sansa with Brienne.
Most of the above is in the show. The ping pong thing don't happen in the books. The Dorne story with Bronn is written by the same new generation of blue haired capeshit writers that America produce today.
You're talking about the Riverrun rebellion. What changed him is his captivity and his journey with Brienne but then later Tywin death happened too.
The Riverrun thing is one of the last thing that happens to Jaimie in the books. It end with him going to find Sansa with Brienne and Cersei still imprisoned.
The show was fine when they had enough source material. Then they realized the end would never come in time and they ditched some plot points from the last books. From season 5 onward they had to adapt the story to the fact they they will never have the source material for the plots introduced in the last two books.
Without D&D GoT would be an unknown, unfinished fantasy story with small fanbase an the fat frick would get all the hate. Now nobody care anymore.
Even if they had to write new stuff, it really doesn't excuse the new stuff being utter nonsense. I'm willing to forgive them a tiny bit, if this show turns out to be kino. But I'm not holding my breath.
>The ping pong thing don't happen in the books.
Exactly, they had perfectly well laid out tracks for a character arc, but the moment they got got control they dove off into the fricking ditch.
Of course they dove off into the fricking ditch but they probably didn't write shit they're directors not writers, they gave plot points and actual "writers" did the thing.
The people who ended the writing of GoT are the same people who write all your modern tv shows and movies. It was the people who wrote the new star wars, the last of us, foundation, the lotr tv show, the new fallout, all your marvel movies.
It was blue/pink/green haired homosexuals who will soon be replaced by AI.
So the big bad just gets killed by ninja arya and then forgotten? The constant hammering of misinterpreted myths and prophecies are meaningless? C'mon man, the overall plot points might be the same but now way the novel will end as moronic as the show. I doubt it will end though, but that's up to the lazy fat frick.
>Here is the harsh truth, GoT ended exactly like it was supposed to end.
This, it's funny how people act like D&D botched it. None of these things were going to tie together, fanwank theorycrafting always outstrips the authors intent. The reason GRRM hasn't finished the books is because he knows what the reception will be like when they end about the same as the show did, better to retire popular than continue to work as a pariah.
barely anybody has a problem with how the plotlines of the various GOT characters concluded, people hate on it because the path to getting there felt rushed, convoluted and unearned.
you can make dany go insane, just dont make her snap in 5 minutes with no real buildup whatsoever.
you can make bran become king, just dont make it one scene where some nobles say "uh, guess his story is the best"
you can make sam tarly grand maester, just make him work and plot for it instead of just showing up in robes in the last episode
The chink version copies the book almost line for line which is both a blessing and a curse
It definitely could have been improved pacing wise. But I am almost certain what I got is preferable to what Netflix will do
At least the chinks (mostly) tried to respect the source material. Instead of treading enjoyers of the source material like they're scum like we do in the west.
I ask if they are hiring and if they have dental. I want to help.
Bros we are extremely early and we will be the predator species that has a stranglehold on our home galaxy
becoming the gardeners of the galaxy and seeding barren planets with life from mother earth sounds a lot more comfy tbh
I send out fart noises.
This book is just 100% CCP propaganda.
Cinemaphile actually can read?
I wouldn't answer. I'd listen. That's what no one did.
Did Wenjie jerk off while pressing the button and then orgasm from the absolute rush of emotions in knowing she doomed earth forever?
probably
probably not
the absolute state of coomers
Isn't this one just
>chinah nambah wan we so smart
Is netflix even allowed to make something like this in current political climate in the us?
getting folded into a lower dimension
That shit was so wild.
midnight tonight, right?
maybe I'll watch for she
I only sail on the high sea with my parrot friend and pirate hat and I've never anticipated something from Netflix.
Do they still release whole seasons in one go or they cucked out on that too?
Do not watch.
Do not watch.
Do not watch.
I really wanted to get into this franchise, but the video game bits bore me to no end.
I can't even imagine how worse it's going to be on a tv show.
The video game bits are 3-4 short chapters that are interspersed throughout the main story. They take 10 or 15 minutes each to read.
If that put you off of the book you probably weren't enjoying it much in the first place.
The part about the VR game that bugs me most is it's completely unrealistic. Wang Miao never once gets tangled in cords or walks in to a wall. He's not sweating profusely and having a three hour migraine headache after taking off the VR goggles.
I dropped it for this reason and complained it about it too, the only reason I went back is because I spoiled myself on what happens, and once you understand what they're doing, it makes it make sense and makes the videogame more bearable
Basically there is a hidden point to it all and it is worth getting through it.
>What?
>Do not speak to me! Do not alter your normal human behavior in any way! You know not the elaborate criteria by which you are to be judged! Ignore my presence and go about your Earthly business!
Do we have the exact time when this will come out? I'm planning to marathoning the 10 episodes tomorrow (I'm neet)
I know when I’ll care.
never
3 AM ET
as said, 3 am est
but there's only 8 episodes
I'm sure D&D will treat the source material as well as they did with GoT
The part they took from the books was well adapted.
"k"
Seeing as they've cast some black and mexican, where will the present story be set? The US?
Pretty sure it's set in Europe primarily
Oxford
Dark Forest? Let me burn that down for you.
Okay we’ve just made that two dimensional. Now what.
Put my physics researcher to research the three dimensioner, shouldn't take any longer than 25 turns.
>Sophon prevents your physics researching from making any meaningful progress on the three dimensioner
>your science is locked down
nothing personal kid
One thing that surprised me
Is the Chinese version had a lot of really good music. Even music with soul.
The audio design was kino too.
They ripped off the Dark soundtrack.
They ripped off a bunch of stuff
One of the songs is literally just the L theme song from Deathnote
It's fine
Their music with vocalists were kino and the soundtrack was also good even though yes, they absolutely ripped stuff off.