What would be Ska style comics? Evan Dorkin did some Ska album covers also Nicktoons had Kablam while not comics it used ska music oh and Aquabats, so what comics fit into Ska?
Some of it, I like Black Metal a lot but I think it's because I also like hardcore Punk, black metal has more in common with Punk than Metal imho. I have long dyed black hair, I hope I don't never as dumb as the gayaholic.
To be honest trash like JJK doesn't deserve the sales it gets from anime secondaries.
The manga is pure garbage with shit art quality that would never ever be published in Shonen Jump 15 years ago.
Like I thought Jump hit rock bottom when they published manga with trash art like Kimetsu no Yaiba but JJK makes Kimetsu no Yaiba's art look like Berserk in comparison.
No wonder Shonen Jump's weekly circulation numbers in Japan have been going down the drain even faster than they used to.
>Record profits
For Shueisha? I don't think so. Their record profits were in the early 2000s with the Yugioh TCG and they'll probably never match that again.
That said Kimetsu's success was huge.
Not that it deserved it at all mind you since the manga didn't even sell particularly well before the anime. And it didn't even improve the Jump's weekly sales at all.
Jump needs to stop hiring hacks who haven't even gone to art school. These short-term successes are blinding them and will frick them over in the long run.
Even WSM is kicking their ass when it comes to art quality.
None of the current running Jump titles have appealing art at all.
I blame Attack on Titan for this mess. That manga had garbage amateurish artwork that spawned a generation of hacks.
The quality of a manga is not based entirely on its art. A company like Jump can't just sit on its hands until some, one in a million super artist with equal creative talent pokes their head up and aks for a job. KNY was popular because of its decent handling of old tropes and expressive art style not in spite of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The quality of a manga is not based entirely on its art.
No, but appealing art is really important.
>A company like Jump can't just sit on its hands until some, one in a million super artist with equal creative talent pokes their head up and aks for a job.
Nobody should do that. But Jump should set their standards higher like they used to.
They shouldn't hire pixiv amateurs, they shouldn't hire people who haven't even gone to art school so easily, they should make the oneshot process harder just like it used to be.
>KNY was popular because of its decent handling of old tropes and expressive art style not in spite of it.
Completely wrong.
Kimetsu had pretty mediocre sales prior to the Anime airing.
The art was terrible and not even appealing.
Kimetsu didn't even make people buy the magazine, they just bought the volumes.
Kimetsu's post-anime fluke popularity is something that happens only once in a millenium. Manga like JJK, Chainsawman and Black Clover among other series are riding on that bubble since Kimetsu ended and left that void.
This mini-bubble will soon burst and Jump won't even have those.
Capeshit might as well not exist to me, it's so irrelevant.
Manga can fix its problems before it's too late by upping their standards once again but the moronic Japanese boomer executives are too blind to see the problems.
He outright dismisses the entirety of manga because Tezuka was inspired by Disney, therefore the entire genre is just a copy of American art. He’s really that stupid.
Just wanted to emphasize your point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. For someone who b***hes about people being sensitive you sure are sensitive.
lmao what? There's so much shit blatantly recycled from Fable 2 but worse it's downright insane. The only improvement, and I mean only improvement, 3 had was that they put more of an effort into the characters. And I see this as someone that bought the collector's edition too, I still have the deck of cards too.
A LOT of the former anti-SJWs are actually just as sensitive as the SJWs they claimed to hate. It doesn’t take much to get blocked by one Twitter too. That homosexual StoneToss blocked and I didn’t even do anything
He's at least a Cinemaphileermin according to his Deus Ex MD stream, the one where he played the prison DLC. It's not that farfetched to assume he's a also a Cinemaphilemrade
He's at least a Cinemaphileermin according to his Deus Ex MD stream, the one where he played the prison DLC. It's not that farfetched to assume he's a also a Cinemaphilemrade
He's been caught shilling himself on both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile
I often likes what Razorfist says and I like that he shines light on subjects like european comics and pulp novels.
But at the same time, his presentation is so fricking cringy and his political takes are mostly moronic.
I actually like his political takes but he can be a real sensitive homosexual at times as well as a massive contrarian with an unearned sense of smugness.
I was thinking about this earlier while listening into this, and I'm getting quite sick of the strong sales argument, and the ">insert country< has a strong comics culture", when the clips and stats used are 10-15+ years to strengthen the points.
Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
It's just a few manga here and there getting more successful than they deserve to because of some braindead japanese zoomers.
The manga magazines sales themselves have never been worse, especially Weekly Shonen Jump.
It's nowhere near as popular as it used to be in Japan and the quality has gone down a lot.
I don't buy the whole "digital sales" narratives
Nips are pretty backwards when it comes to technology and still prefer print
Most manga volumes sold are physical sales
Kimetsu no Yaiba was a major fluke success and then some series like JJK got lucky to ride on that wave.
Most manga on the other hand doesn't sell as well as it used to.
The magazines are selling lower than ever. And I mean I can see why, there is literally nothing worth reading on Jump now for example. Back in the mid-2000s you had many titles worth reading, not the case today.
moronic Youtubers parrot their shit about how manga is succeeding but it definitely isn't.
In 5 years at most we'll see Jump go below the 1 million mark and it'll be a complete and utter disaster.
That's what is ruining manga you dipshit.
Hiring web/pixiv amateurs.
OPM is only popular due to a veteran like Murata doing the art.
Enough of this zoomer nonsense.
Go back to art school, learn how to draw and make something fricking good.
Don't hire pixiv artists like they did with that amateur who did the art for Act Age.
2 years ago
Anonymous
your autism is rooted on nitpicking. >That's what is ruining manga you dipshit.
digital art killed illustration quality.
also you have no idea how many mangas are published and how many sucked in general. they have an entire word for super amateur stuff and dojins are as numerous as published mangas and have been for decades. this has been a thing since the 90s.
What changed is that people can consume them 5 times as fast in digital format and can easily choose the most interesting settings.
There' dozens of great mangakas in 2022, you
just want jump in particular because you are a nitpicking manchild.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>digital art killed illustration quality.
I don't really agree on this.
The tools aren't the problem, it's the artists being bad.
Pic related from author Reiji Miyajima is as good or even better than his traditional analogue work in AKB 49 from 2009.
The legend Kentaro Miura went as far as editing individual pixels with digital tools when Berserk switched to digital.
Traditional art might have its edge but it's not like the industry stops anyone from doing it.
There can be bad traditional art just like bad digital art. Just look at for example "Samurai 8" by one of Masashi Kishimoto's assistants which was done in traditional ink and paint but looked like shit.
>also you have no idea how many mangas are published and how many sucked in general. they have an entire word for super amateur stuff and dojins are as numerous as published mangas and have been for decades. this has been a thing since the 90s.
You and I are talking about different stuff.
I never said there haven't been shit manga, of course there have been shit manga. But the quality has still gone down tremendously on average.
Shonen Jump used to axe manga after 3 chapters. Now they're a lot more lenient in comparison.
Shonen Jump used to have much higher standards.
Nisekoi's Naoshi Komi for example went to art school and got an art degree and had to do several quality oneshots before they let him debut on the magazine with "Double Arts" which got axed shortly due to its unpopularity even though it was a good manga. He had to prove his worth for years.
So not only you had to go to art school but you also had to make a bunch of high quality oneshots to be taken seriously.
Now, Jump hires the pixiv hack who did "Act Age".
Look at JJK. It has absolutely terrible art.
Gege Akutami even went to an audiovisual school. He was assistant to Yasuhiro Kano who was a failed Jump artists whose works got axed from Jump twice.
It just came around at the right time of the Kimetsu boom.
2 years ago
Anonymous
like I said, you are just mad at shonen jump and blame all the industry over it.
you have this argument here on co because you'd get fricked in the ass if you dared do it on a.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not mad at anything, you're just projecting.
Jump is the leader of the industry like it or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not in a few years
2 years ago
Anonymous
Who is overtaking it?
The other manga mags are all failing even harder
2 years ago
Anonymous
digital webcomics also k-shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>digital webcomics
A meme
>k-shit
Also a meme, but I was talking about Jap manga specifically
2 years ago
Anonymous
japs zoomers don't quite care whether it's k or j.
>digital webcomics >a meme
whatever you say senpai, many Cinemaphile series posted weekly are digital hosted or digital webcomics outright.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>japs zoomers don't quite care whether it's k or j.
Uh yes they do care.
And this is not even what I was talking about.
I was specifically talking about Jap manga.
Jump is the leading Manga magazine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
japs zoomers don't quite care whether it's k or j.
>digital webcomics >a meme
whatever you say senpai, many Cinemaphile series posted weekly are digital hosted or digital webcomics outright.
I enjoy some webcomics but we're talking about insane levels of quantity of quality going on here. There are a hundred bottom-of-the-barrel works for every good to half-decent one. For example, that damn cat head one webtoons have been shilling non-stop for the past 3 years is terrible.
2 years ago
Anonymous
mainstream readers never cared about quality senpai.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Be that as it may I can't imagine normal gays regularly reading the vast majority of webcomics. The current make up of webcomics right seems to be 25% pure garbage, 20% amateur works filling an incredibly specific niche, 4% mental illness, 1% professional grade stuff, and then 50% bad chink romance.
2 years ago
Anonymous
japan is not immune to twitter and algorithm based social media information filtering.
zoomers consume what appears in front of their feeds. normally, hardcore manga fans will seek out interesting things and spread it out of word of mouth.
"interesting" means "has a social purpose"
VERY few people genuinely enjoy art for it's artistic value, but for the social advantages it may bring.
So a shitty jap webcomic becomes popular because it allows japs to like and retweet and get that instant social validation.
No different than what LCSs in the 80s did.
Uh yes it will.
Unless you're reading some super-duper obscure alternative underground manga, chances are that the manga you're reading is published on a magazine owned by the Hitotsubashi Group.
magazines are a dying format senpai. internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
This is why I find people who keep pushing for anthologies so stupid. As soon as the market lets you consume just want you want, that rises to the top.
Yeah, I've read the stats. Abysmal and has been since 2006/2007, though I think the digital shift as a delivery platform is where manga will head with the majority readership moving from paperbased to screenbased, reflecting national and global decline in paper press.
I feel it's reduntant that it's leaned on as a "given fact", and comics YT won't shut up about it along with the Telgemeier/Dog Man sales figures, and can't make the distinctions correctly either, especially with the sales structures manga benefits of in the US (being licenced works to overseas companies, and not IP owned through a conglomorated).
>since 2006/2007
Actually around that time Jump sales at least were hovering between declining and climbing back up. Around 2008 or so when One Piece timeskip happened it helped boost the magazine sales a bit for a while.
Jump started really going down after 2016.
2016: 2.2 million
2022: 1.3 million
That's a almost a million sales gone in like 5-6 years
>I think the digital shift as a delivery platform is where manga will head with the majority readership moving from paperbased to screenbased, reflecting national and global decline in paper press.
This is not true, regular print magazines are still selling well over there.
It's just manga that is failing.
You can blame various factors for its decline in popularity such as for example the massive popularity of gacha games, but I believe the decline of quality manga had to do with it too.
It's been going down since 1995 and 1996 since Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended but after 2016 it really started plummeting big time.
>regular print magazines are still selling well over there.
you are not accounting for the generational gap man.
I'm talking about all sorts of regular magazines like fashion magazines like Seventeen which are aimed at teenage girls and such. Those still sell well in print.
Manga doesn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
after shiipuden ended? dang.
I never understood the East vs West thing.
It's like asking whether someone plays JRPG or WRPG. I play both as long as they're good, as does everyone else. What's the point of being loyal to a genre?
it isn't an east v west thing
it isn't even an Cinemaphile vs Cinemaphile
it's an Cinemaphile ironic twitter weebs with no irl friends vs Cinemaphile capeshit manchildren with no self-awareness thing
two specific, utterly moronic groups.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>after shiipuden ended?
Well Naruto manga ended in 2014
After Bleach ended, Bleach was still selling half a million a volume but the sales had declined a lot from its prime
In 2016 the following notable Jump manga ended
Kochikame
Bleach
Toriko
Nisekoi
Assassination Classroom
Kochikame ended after 40 years. Seeing it end really signaled the end of an era.
I don't think we can rely on weekly circulation sales, as print and digital subscription hasn't been brought up.
Credit where credit is due, you're right that those dates I pulled don't fit, as heavy hitters were still going or coming about. (That was also under the Big Three era)
My bad.
I remain still skeptical on the regular print mag sales, but considering the amount of elderly people, there's that.
>I don't think we can rely on weekly circulation sales
What else are you going to rely on?
Look, Jump isn't any more expensive to buy than it used to be. People just don't want to buy it anymore.
Same goes for other magazines.
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong.
Kek, I actually didn't know that. This moron is getting raped hard this thread as he fights his lonely war against the perception of how successful manga sales are in Japan. He's like the beard hunter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe it's Razor?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could be, never watched any of his videos but from what I've read in this thread it sure does sound like him, dumb, annoying and poorly informed. Oh and he likes calling everyone "weebs" as the ultimate insult.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Oh and he likes calling everyone "weebs" as the ultimate insult.
A bit ironic coming from a 37 year old man, who unironically wears leather gloves and says all this stuff from a room filled with capeshit, and pop culture merchandise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Word weeb just became funny ironic term, only like 15 years ago did weeaboo which full word not weeb meant anything insulting and before that it was otaku and now people forget the word otaku even exist.
I saw two or three videos by this dude years ago.
All I remember is some moronic takes, if I'm remembering correctly: >Watchmen is bad because Gibbons ripped off Moebius' art >Mazzucchelli's was bad once he started on Batman: Year One >liked a Greg Land comic, Sojourn, claiming it was pre-tracing or was a good trace job, even though it's obviously and badly traced like his other shit
>Watchmen is bad because Gibbons ripped off Moebius' art
I never found/got this claim.
Gibbons art looks like other older UK artists he most likely grew up with just look at 50's Dan Dare,nothing like Moebius art, you have to be moronic to think that.
How many other things has he said where he clearly has no idea what he's talking about? Another one I can think of was his claim that The Wiz, Return to Oz, and Wicked were made before the first Wizard of Oz book was public domain (spoilers: that book was already public domain before those three projects were made)
As much as I appreciate his focus on French and noir stuff, him being a complete contrarian regarding anything Moore just because he has some moronic political views makes it hard to take his media opinions seriously.
It's like asking whether someone plays JRPG or WRPG. I play both as long as they're good, as does everyone else. What's the point of being loyal to a genre?
It's really weird to me that you insecure turds have gone on to talk about how manga ackshually isn't even selling well. Sad. You were better off just saying they were badly written and drawn, sure you looked like insecure idiots, but now you just look like braindead morons.
Discussing Jump numbers are fun, but I read seinen and gekiga.
The scope is way larger for me to care if THAT magazine sink of swim, as there's plenty of other publications (literally ran by the same parent company, and outside)
Discussing box office numbers and sales is never fun. And it sure as hell is weird to see people saying "uhh ackshually manga sales are baaad", even I know that one with the weird dumb name has sold 25 million copies so far in 2022 alone. It's weird to think you can actually say manga sales are low when they're by far the best sales the medium produces, like... by far, incomparable numbers. For all I care, Jump can just shutdown, haven't read a title from there in over a decade.
>"manga sales are baaad" > the discussion has been about 1 flagship magazine and inland sales > doesn't separate magazine sales in Japan from tankebon sales of a licenced and translated series through a company which the main house that own both the magazine and shares in the publishing house overseas
I have been wondering why the emphasis on Shogakukan's one of dozens of active magazines is having the burden of being the only one that matters, while ignoring Kadokawa, Kodansha, Hakushensha etc.
>The scope is way larger for me to care
Except you should care because Jump's and other Shonen mag's success literally subsidize those Seinen manga you enjoy reading.
Are you going to be this reductive in your approach to making that argument?
Why I don't care and why it's a scope that I don't put my brain into is that even though the readership is responding to the current talent in the weekly or bi-weekly circulations through surveys, it's one part of a larger operation. Mixed media and licencing to overseas companies like the US, France, Germany etc, and integrating alternative ease-of-access for digital readers (mainly smartphone users) diversifies their income methods to making up losses in the inland market.
Your argument that the shounen magazines success subsidizes other target demographics that are published in over house divisions is a fraction of a complex economic structure that I am too ignorant to get into, and neither do you.
>Dude, if the popular leading magazines are failing in sales, it will fricking affect the smaller magazines too.
No, it won't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Uh yes it will.
Unless you're reading some super-duper obscure alternative underground manga, chances are that the manga you're reading is published on a magazine owned by the Hitotsubashi Group.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is your brain on Marvel and DC. They're still separate division, idiot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hitotsubashi Group is made up of most of the leading manga companies.
Kodansha is separate from them but is failing too.
Most of the manga that get scanlated, especially nowadays, is the more popular stuff. With official translations you have an even more limited selection.
>magazines are a dying format senpai. internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
I wish people would stop spreading this digital myth already.
Most sold manga is on physical.
Manga is declining, not the print format.
Non-manga print magazines still sell well in Japan.
>Not that anon, but last I checked, Vertical, Kodansha USA, Yen Press, D+Q, Fantagraphics, Dark Horse and Seven Seas weren't wholly or only partially pressing Hitotsubashi Group controlled publishing houses.
Kodansha's magazines are falling in sales too.
You're just listing US publishers over there.
If you actually rely on US translations you have an incredibly limited selection to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm mentioning the US companies, because you can track which companies that have shares and their overseas deals with.
D+Q, DH, and Fanta are NA based and so does their deals in a traditional fashion, but the rest are tied to the competitive parental group to Hitotsubashi.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The US companies are irrelevant anyhow since manga sells jackshit in the US compared to Japan and even France.
I was discussing Japanese sales and companies.
Are you moronic? Is that what you got out of "separate divisions"?
The point is that every manga company has been declining in sales for a long time now and at this point they're doing really badly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and at this point they're doing really badly
lol
ok
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? Is that what you got out of "separate divisions"?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How have you come to the conclusion that manga as of whole, as a consumable medium is declining?
The US companies are irrelevant anyhow since manga sells jackshit in the US compared to Japan and even France.
I was discussing Japanese sales and companies.
[...]
The point is that every manga company has been declining in sales for a long time now and at this point they're doing really badly.
I am not dragging in the US companies in for that reason. I am underscoring the point that there are other companies active with the same strategies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How have you come to the conclusion that manga as of whole, as a consumable medium is declining?
By looking at the manga magazine sales/circulation numbers. Simple.
When Jump is failing so badly and is still the leading magazine, that means other manga mags are doing even worse.
It's been going down since 1995 and 1996 since Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended but after 2016 it really started plummeting big time.
[...]
I'm talking about all sorts of regular magazines like fashion magazines like Seventeen which are aimed at teenage girls and such. Those still sell well in print.
Manga doesn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have a hard time grasping the fact that the magazine sales aren't that important, the fact that people have switched to digital and the fact that the series sell millions/volume when collected. You are mentally ill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
First off, the only who is mentally ill is you. So knock it off with the unwarranted insults.
>magazine sales aren't that important
They are much much more important than you think.
The fact of the matter is that the industry has been shoving this issue under the rug for a long time.
When DB and Slam Dunk ended in Jump they lot of sales for years but it was okay in a few years because Yugioh came big with the TCG which saw them record record profits for a while and they had One Piece, Naruto and some other big series that would go on for years and years.
But this can't go on forever, with the way thing are going, the industry is heading for an eventual collapse one way or the other unless something really changes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This isn't the american comic book industry, you braindead moron. Magazine sales aren't the be all end all, especially considering how much the collected volumes sell. And no, Weekly Shonen Jump selling 5 million copies every week or 1.5 millions every week does not mean anything for Harta. You are stupid beyond belief and you desperately want manga to be doing badly but you fail to realize that if that actually happens then that means american comic books and bande dessinee would not be made anymore because the gap between them is galactic. moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>American
Who was talking about the US industry you absolute dipshit?
>Magazine sales aren't the be all end all
If your Magazine sales keep going lower and lower there will be less and less manga books sold you dipshit.
Manga Mags have always been a way to promote new up and coming artists and new series.
The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
No, actually, they're not.
Sales are actually higher than they used to be, say, 10 years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes they actually are.
>The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
Hmmm
[...]
[...]
You... might be moronic. Numbers are here for you in this very thread. >Who was talking about the US industry
You treat the sales numbers for magazines the same way American publishers look at floppy sales. They are not the same model, dipshit.
You're just cherrypicking the popular manga and not accounting for the whole industry.
And you're not accounting for the fact that the industry is experience a mini-bubble right now thanks to Kimetsu effect.
Majority of the stuff from here
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong.
are popular because of anime promotions(I mean just look at the sales for Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken ffs lmao it's entirely due to the new adapations) and several of them such as Dragon Quest, Slam Dunk, One Piece, Detective Conan are old series. FFS Slam Dunk and DQ both finished in the mid 90s though it's always hilarious to see Slam Dunk outselling zoomer series.
>If your Magazine sales keep going lower and lower there will be less and less manga books sold you dipshit.
Reality shows that you're wrong. You are dumb and fat.
The only one who is dumb and fat is you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes they actually are.
No, they actually aren't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT REEEE STOP OPPRESSING MEEEE
Keep it up, loser. Your mindbreak is funny.
>No argument >samegayging
>Majority of the stuff from here [...] are popular because of anime promotions
That also applies to the majority of the 2011 list.
I'm sorry anon, but you would have to be delusional to try and argue that manga sales are worse than they were a decade ago.
Not to the same extent as 2021/22
I don't think being overly-reliant on anime adaptations is a good strategy in the long run
20-30 years ago manga sold much more without needing expensive anime adaptations to promote them
>manga sales are worse than they were a decade ago.
They absolutely are overall.
You cherrypicking the top manga doesn't really change the bottom-line.
And even with the recent top popular manga they typically don't last nearly as long as they used to which means you can't rely on them long-term.
As things stand manga mags numbers will continue declining and the industry will keep becoming more and more reliant on making expensive anime adaptations to promote their series.
No way, you actually think he's delusional? Can't be! He's so sane and he's got such strong arguments... it's not like he's denying numbers with "nu-uhh" like statements.
Stop crying b***hboy
2 years ago
Anonymous
>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT REEEE STOP OPPRESSING MEEEE
Keep it up, loser. Your mindbreak is funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Majority of the stuff from here
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong. are popular because of anime promotions
That also applies to the majority of the 2011 list.
I'm sorry anon, but you would have to be delusional to try and argue that manga sales are worse than they were a decade ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No way, you actually think he's delusional? Can't be! He's so sane and he's got such strong arguments... it's not like he's denying numbers with "nu-uhh" like statements.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If your Magazine sales keep going lower and lower there will be less and less manga books sold you dipshit.
Reality shows that you're wrong. You are dumb and fat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
Hmmm
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong.
For comparison, here's what the top 50 chart looked like in 2011.
You... might be moronic. Numbers are here for you in this very thread. >Who was talking about the US industry
You treat the sales numbers for magazines the same way American publishers look at floppy sales. They are not the same model, dipshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the industry is heading for an eventual collapse
Anyone giving this guy the time of their day is stupid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can ALWAYS trust weebs to double down.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Settle down, sperglord.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Please tell me how manga magazines declining in popularity is in any way a good thing?
You are LITERALLY arguing against numbers and statistics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You are LITERALLY arguing against numbers and statistics.
The irony...
Then will you confidently run through briefly the Japanese microeconomics than basic principles of supply and demand?
I'm not kidding, as you're putting a lot of faith onto making out popular magazines carrying the market.
Uh yes it will.
Unless you're reading some super-duper obscure alternative underground manga, chances are that the manga you're reading is published on a magazine owned by the Hitotsubashi Group.
Not that anon, but last I checked, Vertical, Kodansha USA, Yen Press, D+Q, Fantagraphics, Dark Horse and Seven Seas weren't wholly or only partially pressing Hitotsubashi Group controlled publishing houses.
Are there really a bunch of weebs that spend their days on Cinemaphile waiting for East vs West threads to pop up? Why not go spend your time reading manga instead if it's supposedly so much better?
Listen man, I like Razorfist, but when you make a thread that focuses on him or any other E-celeb, no one actually discusses the subject of the video, the thread just devolves into spergs sperging out about how much they hate E-celeb or spergs start sperging out about East v. West.
No one here is discussing the list, or any other series they might like, because the only people these threads invite are the spergs.
Like it said, you wanna discuss BDs, discuss BDs, hell, you can talk about the ones Razor lists, just don't make him the nucleus of discussion, or you'll just get spergs complaining about him.
Heavily referenced and a lot of rendering. that said people's standards for stiffness is different depending on who you ask. A lot of people are so used to speedlines they see anything without them or dynamic posing as stiff. I consider Milo Manara to be a master of really lively and naturalistic movement, done in a subtle way, but I'm sure a lot of people look at his stuff and think it just looks like traced models.
The illustrations in these realistic comics are great but they are definitely stiff and lack a distinguishing style. The storytelling is bad, half the time not knowing who you're supposed to root for.
The cartoony BDs like Lucky Luke, Asterix and stuff aren't stiff looking though.
>It's a "lefties have realised the only way they can crack the Cinemaphile hivemind is to start a thread b***hing about [insert eceleb here] and trying to slip in leftie politics under the radar" thread
Yawn.
I can't believe there are still people who take this moron seriously. It's like listening to alt-right MovieBob unironically.
With the amount of disinformation he spreads and talking out of his ass on a daily basis I'd need a second opinion on all his recommendations.
>inb4 mad weeb
I don't give a shit about manga or west vs east thing.
I hate modern lefties and SJWs even more than Razor.
That doesn't mean I should take seriously a guy who claims France (the birthplace of fricking socialism) is less woke than Japan just because nips have Yaoi over there.
Being a conservative doesn't make him any less moronic. If anything, it shows he's exactly like the people he supposedly "opposes".
>That doesn't mean I should take seriously a guy who claims France (the birthplace of fricking socialism) is less woke than Japan just because nips have Yaoi over there.
He never said anything like that in the video, he just said manga isn't as anti-woke as some people think it is.
>He never said anything like that in the video
He was spreading dumb shit like this for years.
His boner for everything French has a lot of mental gymnastics attached to it.
>he just said manga isn't as anti-woke as some people think it is.
He is full of shit.
There's practically no woke shit in manga.
He's most likely confusing manga that caters to degenerates(including the author themselves) to woke shit.
>He is full of shit.
nah you are full of shit. there'a a reason netto-uyos are such a meme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>there'a a reason netto-uyos are such a meme.
I never even heard of this garbage.
From the wiki page it just say "WAAAAAAH RIGHT-WING PEOPLE EXIST WAAAAAH!"
Give me a fricking break. This isn't a meme, this is just reality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you know jack shit about japs, watch some cinema.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's literally just /misc/
This seems to be the Japanese version of leftist homosexuals labeling non-neocons right-winger as "alt-right"
I bet Japan Times came up with that homosexual term too
2 years ago
Anonymous
no, netto uyos are schizos, Cinemaphile has had several of them haunting the board for years.
and japan HAS addressed woke subjects for years. watch the insect woman.
This is what japen when a weeb pretends he is a japanophile.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes yes just like everybody considers /misc/ to be schizos. It's no different.
>the insect woman
Not manga or anime.
The closest I can think of manga being woke is early Sazae-san.
The closest with Anime is the pacifist junk Miyazaki produces.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The closest with Anime is the pacifist junk Miyazaki produces.
Tbf nearly all major 70s/80s Japan anime/manga creators are baby liberals who grew up during and right after American's occupation. So they generally share western left values. Most of them would produce Straczynski-tier idealistic socialistic drivel if left unchecked, but they generally had to work around certain guidelines.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tbf nearly all major 70s/80s Japan anime/manga creators are baby liberals
Not Tomino or Ichiro Itano that's for sure.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tomino is literally WarBad:The creator.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes yes just like everybody considers /misc/ to be schizos. It's no different.
>the insect woman
Not manga or anime.
The closest I can think of manga being woke is early Sazae-san.
The closest with Anime is the pacifist junk Miyazaki produces.
>asshurt people make popular shit that doesn't shill for sending kids to die for a government that despises them
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki was literally defending mudslime terrorists in France.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki is Alan Moore of Japan.
He's a socialist but he also hates everything about modern consumerist west, regardless of left or right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Didn't he also publicly humiliate his own son?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It seems like Miyazaki is basically the real-life version of Gendo Ikari as far as fatherhood goes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which is fricking hilarious since Anno based Gendo on his dad and yet he's friends with Miyazaki.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki wants Anno as his actual son, simple as.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, basically looks down on his kid. I'd hate to be him, imagine the chip on his shoulder. He'll probably go on trying to win his dad's respect for the rest of his life
2 years ago
Anonymous
Didn't he also publicly humiliate his own son?
Miyazaki an butthole, remember when he shit on those CGI animators without understanding they just showing him test animation and not finished thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Satoshi Kon the guy who like super chill and pretty open in interviews also likes what he doing also makes unique films compared to most people in anime who complain about their work or like closed off and hate most their work dies. >Miyazaki the b***hy old man who hates everything and makes same family movies lives.
why is the world like this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nothing fuels a will to keep on living like spite and anger.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Miyazaki was trying much harder in the 70s and 80s back when he had to work to earn his reputation. His earliest work is his best.
Nowdays he can do whatever he wants so he can just make same movie with the same point again and again.
I mean, if that's make him happy...
2 years ago
Anonymous
I just wish more people acted how Kon does when comes to anime, most anime directors talk so awkwardly (which yeah makes sense not ass bad) or like they're like buttholes, every interview and clip I seen of Kon he just seem like normal guy though nerdy but like he just acted like regular dude not like ''otaku'' and shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tomino >Makes antiwar stories
Tomino doesn't shove his shit down your throat the way Miyazaki does.
Also there's no cringe feminist bullshit like in Miyazaki's movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They’re still liberal though they’re just liberal in a way that doesn’t offend people
2 years ago
Anonymous
Japan’s a very liberal country just a different type of liberal, It’s why any right wing people are frowned upon over there Look at the backlash the writer of Lain and Digimon Tamers got in his own country or Miyazaki when he made the wind rises which was kind of a celebration about Japanese airplanes that were used in the military
Japan is liberal in the same way Elon Musk is liberal.
Which is to say, modern progs would call them conservatives, because they don't understand that liberalism is a right-leaning ideology.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tomino >Makes antiwar stories
2 years ago
Anonymous
Japan’s a very liberal country just a different type of liberal, It’s why any right wing people are frowned upon over there Look at the backlash the writer of Lain and Digimon Tamers got in his own country or Miyazaki when he made the wind rises which was kind of a celebration about Japanese airplanes that were used in the military
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah they're classical liberals not neo-libs
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's why things like Shōjo Tsubaki anime gets banned even though it's not even as bad as some anime air on TV but doesn't wanna censor it self for the government and shows a negative side to Japan from the past they don't want shown.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tomino is obviously a lefty idealist and futurist. He's just unhinged and/or smart enough to shit on modern society in general. Almost all his works are about humanity needing to evolve past what's holding them back and better itself. He's maybe old-fashioned enough to be considered problematic by modern left but so is someone like Miyazaki.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but so is someone like Miyazaki.
Miyazaki defended muslim terrorists in France
He is total cancer and anti-free speech
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So they generally share western left values.
GARO, the great japanese adult manga magazine of the 60s and 70s, basically the jap metal hurlant, was heavily left leaning
anon forgets that socialism was big in japan.
or all the environmentalist manga and anime produced, specially by gibhli
hate to tell you my friend but manga artists are notorious in japan for being leftists especially the older mangaka, difference being that leftists there care more about pacifism, anti-imperialism and such than gay diversity shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bullshit.
Just because they're not going "Tenno Heika Banzai" every second doesn't mean they're anti-imperialist at all.
Reality is that most manga artists don't give a shit about politics that much and most of them are proud of their country like regular people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that guy you're replying to, but I noticed this in many mangas too. They definitely have an opposition to Might is Right, they always praise females or the feminine in many indirect ways and their protagonist always betray themselves and show their beta side for lack of a better word. They just can't ever reach that state of maturity, and if you read Otaku by Hiroki Azuma, if you aren't someone that has watched anime or read manga you will see how superficial the vast majority of their characters are written.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They definitely have an opposition to Might is Right
LMAO no
With might they literally always beat the villain in the end
You sounds like the morons who think Naruto is a hypocritical series and character because it supposedly promotes the "hard work > talent" idea when literally in the first chapter we see that Naruto is an idiot who >has a powerful magical fox sealed into him >doesn't work hard >spends most of his time playing pranks for attention >doesn't concentrate in class and keeps failing something simple like a transformation jutsu and keeps antagonizing his teacher by trolling him >but at the end of the chapter he's shown to be capable of performing a forbidden technique known as "Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu"
And that's just the first fricking chapter and morons somehow ignore it.
The rest of the manga is filled with "You're not born into a special super-duper clan? No special kekkei-genkai or clan techniques? No huge chakra reserves? Well tough luck you're worthless".
>he just said manga isn't as anti-woke as some people think it is.
He is full of shit.
There's practically no woke shit in manga.
He's most likely confusing manga that caters to degenerates(including the author themselves) to woke shit.
Manga isn't specifically anti-woke, more just non-woke.
Which is not to say that there aren't anti-woke (and woke) manga, but they're generally a tiny minority, where most manga tend to fall somewhere in the middle since generally speaking Japan's art industry tends to be more centrist by today's stnadards.
He is an obnoxious homosexual.
Claiming that manga art is "idiosyncratic" when there are like 300+ weekly manga magazines and way more monthly magazines published in Japan with all sorts of variety. Yes even the shitty Grimdark Realistic Western garbage he obsesses about has a manga equivalent like Green Blood.
But you'll never see Razorcuck mention it because he's full of shit and he doesn't even know it exists.
That art still looks very "Japanese", though. even realistic stuff like Vagabond and Berserk are unmistakably drawn by Japanese artists. this extends even to paintings.
But Razorgay likes Berserk, but that's like one of 5 manga he knows
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Razorgay likes Berserk
Funny that he can't go about without his usual shtick of mentioning that Berserk ripped-off some Euro comics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Didn't this clown blatantly rip off Thief for his stupid PULP novel?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even though Miura never said that Moebius influenced him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentaro_Miura#Influences
2 years ago
Anonymous
This man will call anything a rip off even though everything is inspired by something it just how you executed it, By his logic European comics are rip offs because most of them copy the format that was created in America like panels,comic bubbles,captions,etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This gay for all his suppose patriotism never gives any credit to the early American comics.
Popeye and MAD Magazine influenced French comics a lot.
But he ignores 90% of comics and pretends they don't exist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean the intro he only brings up cape shit and you think somebody who’s supposed to be as cool and edgy as him would know about all the underground and alternative work from back then in the US that is some of the best comics produced but he only knows ninja turtles because it’s mainstream
2 years ago
Anonymous
Popeye was mainstream.
But if it's cartoony it might as well not even exist for Razor.
Its kinda funny watching old nerds not realize that a lot of their favorite creators were, and still are, lefties; its just that lefties in the 80's and 90's were all about being anti-censorship and against the "moral right"
>its just that lefties in the 80's and 90's were all about being anti-censorship and against the "moral right"
Yes, unlike modern lefties who are basically just authoritarian Christians with a gay hat and with social justice instead of the ten commandments.
Razorgays main schtick is that he does his rants without a script, but we all know he totally does read something because we can see the screen glaring in his glasses. If he took them off, we'd be seeing his eyes moving too, so it's a loose loose.
>Razorgays main schtick is that he does his rants without a script
Since when? I've never heard him claim that.
He did mention in a few streams, and possibly in some comments, that he uses bullet-points since he doesn't like reading off script, which makes it technically true, since he thinks up of lines on the spot and doesn't have them prepared.
I got no problem with him reading bullet points, he's a good orator with good flow. He just needs to stop larping as the man with the golden speech brain.
That’s the irony about anime getting all these right wing fans is the country that produces them the very left wing country, It’s just two Americans it isn’t because it’s not the same as Western left-wing politics And they also keep a lot of their traditions except for nationalism which is frown upon
Cinemaphile caring about sales at all is even funnier because this same website will hide pirated goods under shitty encryption just to keep casuals away.
>comics will always exist
Just like pulps or 2D western animated films...
Yeah, comics will exist in Deviantart sites the way things are going but I wouldn't want to read that crap
It really is a fricking sad state that people need someone like Razorcuck to shill classic comics. There should be people who like this stuff and are actually tolerable to listen to.
Razorfist is a fricking contrarian homosexual. Hell, even his politics is just rooted on contrarianism. At least the /other/ long-haired political commentator does a better job of veiling whatever insecurity he has
Razorf likes being an attention-grabbing diva. One look at him and you can see he unironically views himself as a washed-up rockstar who can just say whatever he wants and stick it to everyone around him.
He's the definition of contrarian.
Also blocking anyone who dares to say something he doesn't like.
He made an entire video just to scream at the camera how much he doesn't care about people shitting on him over Elden Ring.
>who can just say whatever he wants and stick it to everyone around him
He can say whatever YouTube will allow him to say without completely taking down his channel.
The weebs praising manga on here sound like the morons that thought Japan would be a serious world power in the late 80s/early 90s before their economic bubble burst.
We had a thread a few days ago about Euro comics; basically they're not as popular because the material is slow, the artwork isn't everyone's cup of tea, and the stories aren't particularly worth waiting on.
Even most of Razorfist's video is mostly recommending Moebius(the guy everyone knows) and adaptations of Conan stories.
>murican capeshit >frog garbage >no pantyshots
Hehehe. You can't compare to the genius of the kawaii tbh ne Japanese master race. The next Netflix adaptation will bring the mcu to it's kness gaijin kun!
I like Razorfist a lot honestly, he can absolutely be contrarian a lot of the time, but his commentary is always interesting, his quips are unironically clever and funny, and his Depths of DS9 is wicked comfy
Metal is for children
Ska is the thinking man’s genre
What would be Ska style comics? Evan Dorkin did some Ska album covers also Nicktoons had Kablam while not comics it used ska music oh and Aquabats, so what comics fit into Ska?
Some of it, I like Black Metal a lot but I think it's because I also like hardcore Punk, black metal has more in common with Punk than Metal imho. I have long dyed black hair, I hope I don't never as dumb as the gayaholic.
>MUH LE FRENCH BANDES DESINEES
Frick off Razorgay
Nobody gives a frick about your shitty redditor frog comics
>comic simp is a manga hater
$10 says he calls everyone he disagrees with a pedophile without any evidence to back it up
To be honest trash like JJK doesn't deserve the sales it gets from anime secondaries.
The manga is pure garbage with shit art quality that would never ever be published in Shonen Jump 15 years ago.
Like I thought Jump hit rock bottom when they published manga with trash art like Kimetsu no Yaiba but JJK makes Kimetsu no Yaiba's art look like Berserk in comparison.
No wonder Shonen Jump's weekly circulation numbers in Japan have been going down the drain even faster than they used to.
Record profits
>Record profits
For Shueisha? I don't think so. Their record profits were in the early 2000s with the Yugioh TCG and they'll probably never match that again.
That said Kimetsu's success was huge.
Not that it deserved it at all mind you since the manga didn't even sell particularly well before the anime. And it didn't even improve the Jump's weekly sales at all.
Jump needs to stop hiring hacks who haven't even gone to art school. These short-term successes are blinding them and will frick them over in the long run.
Even WSM is kicking their ass when it comes to art quality.
None of the current running Jump titles have appealing art at all.
I blame Attack on Titan for this mess. That manga had garbage amateurish artwork that spawned a generation of hacks.
The quality of a manga is not based entirely on its art. A company like Jump can't just sit on its hands until some, one in a million super artist with equal creative talent pokes their head up and aks for a job. KNY was popular because of its decent handling of old tropes and expressive art style not in spite of it.
>The quality of a manga is not based entirely on its art.
No, but appealing art is really important.
>A company like Jump can't just sit on its hands until some, one in a million super artist with equal creative talent pokes their head up and aks for a job.
Nobody should do that. But Jump should set their standards higher like they used to.
They shouldn't hire pixiv amateurs, they shouldn't hire people who haven't even gone to art school so easily, they should make the oneshot process harder just like it used to be.
>KNY was popular because of its decent handling of old tropes and expressive art style not in spite of it.
Completely wrong.
Kimetsu had pretty mediocre sales prior to the Anime airing.
The art was terrible and not even appealing.
Kimetsu didn't even make people buy the magazine, they just bought the volumes.
Kimetsu's post-anime fluke popularity is something that happens only once in a millenium. Manga like JJK, Chainsawman and Black Clover among other series are riding on that bubble since Kimetsu ended and left that void.
This mini-bubble will soon burst and Jump won't even have those.
Sure is rent free in here
get that live action shit off my face
Capeshit might as well not exist to me, it's so irrelevant.
Manga can fix its problems before it's too late by upping their standards once again but the moronic Japanese boomer executives are too blind to see the problems.
capeshit is dead, my man. it's going the way of the furries: a closed off community for lgbts.
Right, I couldn't give a shit about it.
if you don't think it's true you don't read capeshit then.
Black person you are homosexual for seething this much over something success
morons like you trying to shill this shit by posting sales figures on a board it has no relation to might be a reason.
He outright dismisses the entirety of manga because Tezuka was inspired by Disney, therefore the entire genre is just a copy of American art. He’s really that stupid.
Seriously was the chick that put up his wank video asian?
I think it was her boyfriend that "hacked" his phone or something like that, according to his story.
In reality Razorgay uploaded it himself.
>This triggers the weeb
oh no no no
Christ he's such a fricking dweeb.
For someone who despises SJWs more than anyone on the planet he's extremely sensitive even when someone is lightly joking with him.
He didn't used to be this tilted but as the years go by he gets worse and worse
He blocked me on twitter because I said Fable 3 sucked worse than Fable 2.
No seriously.
Don't care; didn't ask
Just wanted to emphasize your point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. For someone who b***hes about people being sensitive you sure are sensitive.
lmao what? There's so much shit blatantly recycled from Fable 2 but worse it's downright insane. The only improvement, and I mean only improvement, 3 had was that they put more of an effort into the characters. And I see this as someone that bought the collector's edition too, I still have the deck of cards too.
A LOT of the former anti-SJWs are actually just as sensitive as the SJWs they claimed to hate. It doesn’t take much to get blocked by one Twitter too. That homosexual StoneToss blocked and I didn’t even do anything
Is this supposed to be an overreaction?
shrug.wmv
>Joke's on him, I was only pretending to be moronic
holy frick are weebs sensitive
>video about french comics
>weebs immediately bring up manga
>get mad when they get called out
Hi razorfist
All joking aside, he definitely does post here, doesn't he.
He's at least a Cinemaphileermin according to his Deus Ex MD stream, the one where he played the prison DLC. It's not that farfetched to assume he's a also a Cinemaphilemrade
He's been caught shilling himself on both Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile
Anthony is so close to realizing the problem with Razor
>Based
>namegay
Frick off.
how can someone be this insufferable, it's impressive in a way
ALL E-CELEBS AND THE moronS THAT FOLLOW THEM SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT
I often likes what Razorfist says and I like that he shines light on subjects like european comics and pulp novels.
But at the same time, his presentation is so fricking cringy and his political takes are mostly moronic.
I actually like his political takes but he can be a real sensitive homosexual at times as well as a massive contrarian with an unearned sense of smugness.
>his political takes are mostly moronic
that's cause you're brainlet
but seeing as this is Cinemaphileumblr, you're probably a leftist too
His novella was terrible.
Lol fricking internet critics, have any of them down anything original that’s actually good?
>only people posting are mad weebs
like clockwork
>weebs are already opining
Go back to your containment board
I was thinking about this earlier while listening into this, and I'm getting quite sick of the strong sales argument, and the ">insert country< has a strong comics culture", when the clips and stats used are 10-15+ years to strengthen the points.
Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
It's just a few manga here and there getting more successful than they deserve to because of some braindead japanese zoomers.
The manga magazines sales themselves have never been worse, especially Weekly Shonen Jump.
It's nowhere near as popular as it used to be in Japan and the quality has gone down a lot.
not counting webmanga which is how most jap zoomers consume their stuff now
I don't buy the whole "digital sales" narratives
Nips are pretty backwards when it comes to technology and still prefer print
Most manga volumes sold are physical sales
Kimetsu no Yaiba was a major fluke success and then some series like JJK got lucky to ride on that wave.
Most manga on the other hand doesn't sell as well as it used to.
The magazines are selling lower than ever. And I mean I can see why, there is literally nothing worth reading on Jump now for example. Back in the mid-2000s you had many titles worth reading, not the case today.
moronic Youtubers parrot their shit about how manga is succeeding but it definitely isn't.
In 5 years at most we'll see Jump go below the 1 million mark and it'll be a complete and utter disaster.
who said anything about sales? it's retweets and popularity, and that signals both publisher and anime studios to contact the web artist.
OPM, my homie.
That's what is ruining manga you dipshit.
Hiring web/pixiv amateurs.
OPM is only popular due to a veteran like Murata doing the art.
Enough of this zoomer nonsense.
Go back to art school, learn how to draw and make something fricking good.
Don't hire pixiv artists like they did with that amateur who did the art for Act Age.
your autism is rooted on nitpicking.
>That's what is ruining manga you dipshit.
digital art killed illustration quality.
also you have no idea how many mangas are published and how many sucked in general. they have an entire word for super amateur stuff and dojins are as numerous as published mangas and have been for decades. this has been a thing since the 90s.
What changed is that people can consume them 5 times as fast in digital format and can easily choose the most interesting settings.
There' dozens of great mangakas in 2022, you
just want jump in particular because you are a nitpicking manchild.
>digital art killed illustration quality.
I don't really agree on this.
The tools aren't the problem, it's the artists being bad.
Pic related from author Reiji Miyajima is as good or even better than his traditional analogue work in AKB 49 from 2009.
The legend Kentaro Miura went as far as editing individual pixels with digital tools when Berserk switched to digital.
Traditional art might have its edge but it's not like the industry stops anyone from doing it.
There can be bad traditional art just like bad digital art. Just look at for example "Samurai 8" by one of Masashi Kishimoto's assistants which was done in traditional ink and paint but looked like shit.
>also you have no idea how many mangas are published and how many sucked in general. they have an entire word for super amateur stuff and dojins are as numerous as published mangas and have been for decades. this has been a thing since the 90s.
You and I are talking about different stuff.
I never said there haven't been shit manga, of course there have been shit manga. But the quality has still gone down tremendously on average.
Shonen Jump used to axe manga after 3 chapters. Now they're a lot more lenient in comparison.
Shonen Jump used to have much higher standards.
Nisekoi's Naoshi Komi for example went to art school and got an art degree and had to do several quality oneshots before they let him debut on the magazine with "Double Arts" which got axed shortly due to its unpopularity even though it was a good manga. He had to prove his worth for years.
So not only you had to go to art school but you also had to make a bunch of high quality oneshots to be taken seriously.
Now, Jump hires the pixiv hack who did "Act Age".
Look at JJK. It has absolutely terrible art.
Gege Akutami even went to an audiovisual school. He was assistant to Yasuhiro Kano who was a failed Jump artists whose works got axed from Jump twice.
It just came around at the right time of the Kimetsu boom.
like I said, you are just mad at shonen jump and blame all the industry over it.
you have this argument here on co because you'd get fricked in the ass if you dared do it on a.
I'm not mad at anything, you're just projecting.
Jump is the leader of the industry like it or not.
not in a few years
Who is overtaking it?
The other manga mags are all failing even harder
digital webcomics also k-shit.
>digital webcomics
A meme
>k-shit
Also a meme, but I was talking about Jap manga specifically
japs zoomers don't quite care whether it's k or j.
>digital webcomics
>a meme
whatever you say senpai, many Cinemaphile series posted weekly are digital hosted or digital webcomics outright.
>japs zoomers don't quite care whether it's k or j.
Uh yes they do care.
And this is not even what I was talking about.
I was specifically talking about Jap manga.
Jump is the leading Manga magazine.
I enjoy some webcomics but we're talking about insane levels of quantity of quality going on here. There are a hundred bottom-of-the-barrel works for every good to half-decent one. For example, that damn cat head one webtoons have been shilling non-stop for the past 3 years is terrible.
mainstream readers never cared about quality senpai.
Be that as it may I can't imagine normal gays regularly reading the vast majority of webcomics. The current make up of webcomics right seems to be 25% pure garbage, 20% amateur works filling an incredibly specific niche, 4% mental illness, 1% professional grade stuff, and then 50% bad chink romance.
japan is not immune to twitter and algorithm based social media information filtering.
zoomers consume what appears in front of their feeds. normally, hardcore manga fans will seek out interesting things and spread it out of word of mouth.
"interesting" means "has a social purpose"
VERY few people genuinely enjoy art for it's artistic value, but for the social advantages it may bring.
So a shitty jap webcomic becomes popular because it allows japs to like and retweet and get that instant social validation.
No different than what LCSs in the 80s did.
magazines are a dying format senpai. internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
>internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
This is why I find people who keep pushing for anthologies so stupid. As soon as the market lets you consume just want you want, that rises to the top.
Yeah, I've read the stats. Abysmal and has been since 2006/2007, though I think the digital shift as a delivery platform is where manga will head with the majority readership moving from paperbased to screenbased, reflecting national and global decline in paper press.
I feel it's reduntant that it's leaned on as a "given fact", and comics YT won't shut up about it along with the Telgemeier/Dog Man sales figures, and can't make the distinctions correctly either, especially with the sales structures manga benefits of in the US (being licenced works to overseas companies, and not IP owned through a conglomorated).
>since 2006/2007
Actually around that time Jump sales at least were hovering between declining and climbing back up. Around 2008 or so when One Piece timeskip happened it helped boost the magazine sales a bit for a while.
Jump started really going down after 2016.
2016: 2.2 million
2022: 1.3 million
That's a almost a million sales gone in like 5-6 years
>I think the digital shift as a delivery platform is where manga will head with the majority readership moving from paperbased to screenbased, reflecting national and global decline in paper press.
This is not true, regular print magazines are still selling well over there.
It's just manga that is failing.
You can blame various factors for its decline in popularity such as for example the massive popularity of gacha games, but I believe the decline of quality manga had to do with it too.
>Jump started really going down after 2016.
>2016: 2.2 million
>2022: 1.3 million
the frick?
that's too much in such a short timeframe.
Yup
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%B1%E5%88%8A%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97#%E7%99%BA%E8%A1%8C%E9%83%A8%E6%95%B0
It's been going down since 1995 and 1996 since Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended but after 2016 it really started plummeting big time.
I'm talking about all sorts of regular magazines like fashion magazines like Seventeen which are aimed at teenage girls and such. Those still sell well in print.
Manga doesn't.
after shiipuden ended? dang.
it isn't an east v west thing
it isn't even an Cinemaphile vs Cinemaphile
it's an Cinemaphile ironic twitter weebs with no irl friends vs Cinemaphile capeshit manchildren with no self-awareness thing
two specific, utterly moronic groups.
>after shiipuden ended?
Well Naruto manga ended in 2014
After Bleach ended, Bleach was still selling half a million a volume but the sales had declined a lot from its prime
In 2016 the following notable Jump manga ended
Kochikame
Bleach
Toriko
Nisekoi
Assassination Classroom
Kochikame ended after 40 years. Seeing it end really signaled the end of an era.
>regular print magazines are still selling well over there.
you are not accounting for the generational gap man.
I don't think we can rely on weekly circulation sales, as print and digital subscription hasn't been brought up.
Credit where credit is due, you're right that those dates I pulled don't fit, as heavy hitters were still going or coming about. (That was also under the Big Three era)
My bad.
I remain still skeptical on the regular print mag sales, but considering the amount of elderly people, there's that.
>I don't think we can rely on weekly circulation sales
What else are you going to rely on?
Look, Jump isn't any more expensive to buy than it used to be. People just don't want to buy it anymore.
Same goes for other magazines.
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong.
If I hear the digital meme one more time...
Digital sales are strong.
No they're not.
Most manga sold is still print.
>No they're not.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-02-28/digital-manga-volume-sales-overtake-print-manga-volume-sales-in-japan-for-1st-time/.128360
Kek, I actually didn't know that. This moron is getting raped hard this thread as he fights his lonely war against the perception of how successful manga sales are in Japan. He's like the beard hunter.
Maybe it's Razor?
Could be, never watched any of his videos but from what I've read in this thread it sure does sound like him, dumb, annoying and poorly informed. Oh and he likes calling everyone "weebs" as the ultimate insult.
>Oh and he likes calling everyone "weebs" as the ultimate insult.
A bit ironic coming from a 37 year old man, who unironically wears leather gloves and says all this stuff from a room filled with capeshit, and pop culture merchandise.
Word weeb just became funny ironic term, only like 15 years ago did weeaboo which full word not weeb meant anything insulting and before that it was otaku and now people forget the word otaku even exist.
Digital sales overtook print sales.
For comparison, here's what the top 50 chart looked like in 2011.
>Manga doesn't have strong sales like it used to
Way to out yourself as a total ignoramus.
>open video
>schizo talking loud and trying to sound smart
>close video
filtered.
>blade runner ripped off giraud
huh.
that explains why they got so assmad and had that lawsuit during the fifth element production
razor fish
>No one posted the video his ex recorded of them fighting and what a cuck he is
post it i want to see
It's an audio file, but the gist is that he didn't want her to deviate from hisfantasy of a trad wife.
>not wanting your girlfriend to be a prostitute
>this is somehow bad
What?
I saw two or three videos by this dude years ago.
All I remember is some moronic takes, if I'm remembering correctly:
>Watchmen is bad because Gibbons ripped off Moebius' art
>Mazzucchelli's was bad once he started on Batman: Year One
>liked a Greg Land comic, Sojourn, claiming it was pre-tracing or was a good trace job, even though it's obviously and badly traced like his other shit
>Watchmen is bad because Gibbons ripped off Moebius' art
I never found/got this claim.
Gibbons art looks like other older UK artists he most likely grew up with just look at 50's Dan Dare,nothing like Moebius art, you have to be moronic to think that.
How many other things has he said where he clearly has no idea what he's talking about? Another one I can think of was his claim that The Wiz, Return to Oz, and Wicked were made before the first Wizard of Oz book was public domain (spoilers: that book was already public domain before those three projects were made)
As much as I appreciate his focus on French and noir stuff, him being a complete contrarian regarding anything Moore just because he has some moronic political views makes it hard to take his media opinions seriously.
I miss Strange Brain Parts....why the best comic Youtuber not upload?
I never understood the East vs West thing.
It's like asking whether someone plays JRPG or WRPG. I play both as long as they're good, as does everyone else. What's the point of being loyal to a genre?
Good comics are good comics, counties be damn.
Yeah, but the comics form Ozark county can’t compare to the powerhouse that is St. Louis county
>I never understood the East vs West thing.
Insecurity from fans of both sides.
It's sports team bullshit but for nerds and more moronic since nothing stops you from liking both.
It's really weird to me that you insecure turds have gone on to talk about how manga ackshually isn't even selling well. Sad. You were better off just saying they were badly written and drawn, sure you looked like insecure idiots, but now you just look like braindead morons.
you just have a bone to pick at shonen, you opinions are too biased to care about
Discussing Jump numbers are fun, but I read seinen and gekiga.
The scope is way larger for me to care if THAT magazine sink of swim, as there's plenty of other publications (literally ran by the same parent company, and outside)
Discussing box office numbers and sales is never fun. And it sure as hell is weird to see people saying "uhh ackshually manga sales are baaad", even I know that one with the weird dumb name has sold 25 million copies so far in 2022 alone. It's weird to think you can actually say manga sales are low when they're by far the best sales the medium produces, like... by far, incomparable numbers. For all I care, Jump can just shutdown, haven't read a title from there in over a decade.
>"manga sales are baaad"
> the discussion has been about 1 flagship magazine and inland sales
> doesn't separate magazine sales in Japan from tankebon sales of a licenced and translated series through a company which the main house that own both the magazine and shares in the publishing house overseas
>> the discussion has been about 1 flagship magazine
The only one that Cinemaphile ever talks about, the only one that Cinemaphile knows.
I have been wondering why the emphasis on Shogakukan's one of dozens of active magazines is having the burden of being the only one that matters, while ignoring Kadokawa, Kodansha, Hakushensha etc.
>Shogakukan
meant Shueisa
>The scope is way larger for me to care
Except you should care because Jump's and other Shonen mag's success literally subsidize those Seinen manga you enjoy reading.
Are you going to be this reductive in your approach to making that argument?
Why I don't care and why it's a scope that I don't put my brain into is that even though the readership is responding to the current talent in the weekly or bi-weekly circulations through surveys, it's one part of a larger operation. Mixed media and licencing to overseas companies like the US, France, Germany etc, and integrating alternative ease-of-access for digital readers (mainly smartphone users) diversifies their income methods to making up losses in the inland market.
Your argument that the shounen magazines success subsidizes other target demographics that are published in over house divisions is a fraction of a complex economic structure that I am too ignorant to get into, and neither do you.
Dude, if the popular leading magazines are failing in sales, it will fricking affect the smaller magazines too.
This is not rocket science.
>Dude, if the popular leading magazines are failing in sales, it will fricking affect the smaller magazines too.
No, it won't.
Uh yes it will.
Unless you're reading some super-duper obscure alternative underground manga, chances are that the manga you're reading is published on a magazine owned by the Hitotsubashi Group.
This is your brain on Marvel and DC. They're still separate division, idiot.
Hitotsubashi Group is made up of most of the leading manga companies.
Kodansha is separate from them but is failing too.
Most of the manga that get scanlated, especially nowadays, is the more popular stuff. With official translations you have an even more limited selection.
>magazines are a dying format senpai. internet lets young japs access the specific manga they want without having to consume the rest.
I wish people would stop spreading this digital myth already.
Most sold manga is on physical.
Manga is declining, not the print format.
Non-manga print magazines still sell well in Japan.
>Not that anon, but last I checked, Vertical, Kodansha USA, Yen Press, D+Q, Fantagraphics, Dark Horse and Seven Seas weren't wholly or only partially pressing Hitotsubashi Group controlled publishing houses.
Kodansha's magazines are falling in sales too.
You're just listing US publishers over there.
If you actually rely on US translations you have an incredibly limited selection to begin with.
I'm mentioning the US companies, because you can track which companies that have shares and their overseas deals with.
D+Q, DH, and Fanta are NA based and so does their deals in a traditional fashion, but the rest are tied to the competitive parental group to Hitotsubashi.
The US companies are irrelevant anyhow since manga sells jackshit in the US compared to Japan and even France.
I was discussing Japanese sales and companies.
The point is that every manga company has been declining in sales for a long time now and at this point they're doing really badly.
>and at this point they're doing really badly
lol
ok
Are you moronic? Is that what you got out of "separate divisions"?
How have you come to the conclusion that manga as of whole, as a consumable medium is declining?
I am not dragging in the US companies in for that reason. I am underscoring the point that there are other companies active with the same strategies.
>How have you come to the conclusion that manga as of whole, as a consumable medium is declining?
By looking at the manga magazine sales/circulation numbers. Simple.
When Jump is failing so badly and is still the leading magazine, that means other manga mags are doing even worse.
Look at the circulation numbers in
You have a hard time grasping the fact that the magazine sales aren't that important, the fact that people have switched to digital and the fact that the series sell millions/volume when collected. You are mentally ill.
First off, the only who is mentally ill is you. So knock it off with the unwarranted insults.
>magazine sales aren't that important
They are much much more important than you think.
The fact of the matter is that the industry has been shoving this issue under the rug for a long time.
When DB and Slam Dunk ended in Jump they lot of sales for years but it was okay in a few years because Yugioh came big with the TCG which saw them record record profits for a while and they had One Piece, Naruto and some other big series that would go on for years and years.
But this can't go on forever, with the way thing are going, the industry is heading for an eventual collapse one way or the other unless something really changes.
This isn't the american comic book industry, you braindead moron. Magazine sales aren't the be all end all, especially considering how much the collected volumes sell. And no, Weekly Shonen Jump selling 5 million copies every week or 1.5 millions every week does not mean anything for Harta. You are stupid beyond belief and you desperately want manga to be doing badly but you fail to realize that if that actually happens then that means american comic books and bande dessinee would not be made anymore because the gap between them is galactic. moron.
>American
Who was talking about the US industry you absolute dipshit?
>Magazine sales aren't the be all end all
If your Magazine sales keep going lower and lower there will be less and less manga books sold you dipshit.
Manga Mags have always been a way to promote new up and coming artists and new series.
The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
>The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
No, actually, they're not.
Sales are actually higher than they used to be, say, 10 years ago.
Yes they actually are.
You're just cherrypicking the popular manga and not accounting for the whole industry.
And you're not accounting for the fact that the industry is experience a mini-bubble right now thanks to Kimetsu effect.
Majority of the stuff from here
are popular because of anime promotions(I mean just look at the sales for Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken ffs lmao it's entirely due to the new adapations) and several of them such as Dragon Quest, Slam Dunk, One Piece, Detective Conan are old series. FFS Slam Dunk and DQ both finished in the mid 90s though it's always hilarious to see Slam Dunk outselling zoomer series.
The only one who is dumb and fat is you.
>Yes they actually are.
No, they actually aren't.
>No argument
>samegayging
Not to the same extent as 2021/22
I don't think being overly-reliant on anime adaptations is a good strategy in the long run
20-30 years ago manga sold much more without needing expensive anime adaptations to promote them
>manga sales are worse than they were a decade ago.
They absolutely are overall.
You cherrypicking the top manga doesn't really change the bottom-line.
And even with the recent top popular manga they typically don't last nearly as long as they used to which means you can't rely on them long-term.
As things stand manga mags numbers will continue declining and the industry will keep becoming more and more reliant on making expensive anime adaptations to promote their series.
Stop crying b***hboy
>TH-THAT DOESN'T COUNT REEEE STOP OPPRESSING MEEEE
Keep it up, loser. Your mindbreak is funny.
>Majority of the stuff from here
>Manga doesn't have really strong sales like it used to.
Uhh, what?
Magazines have gone down as digital has risen but actual volume sales are still extremely strong. are popular because of anime promotions
That also applies to the majority of the 2011 list.
I'm sorry anon, but you would have to be delusional to try and argue that manga sales are worse than they were a decade ago.
No way, you actually think he's delusional? Can't be! He's so sane and he's got such strong arguments... it's not like he's denying numbers with "nu-uhh" like statements.
>If your Magazine sales keep going lower and lower there will be less and less manga books sold you dipshit.
Reality shows that you're wrong. You are dumb and fat.
>The collected volumes are selling less on average than they used to.
Hmmm
You... might be moronic. Numbers are here for you in this very thread.
>Who was talking about the US industry
You treat the sales numbers for magazines the same way American publishers look at floppy sales. They are not the same model, dipshit.
>the industry is heading for an eventual collapse
Anyone giving this guy the time of their day is stupid.
you can ALWAYS trust weebs to double down.
Settle down, sperglord.
Please tell me how manga magazines declining in popularity is in any way a good thing?
You are LITERALLY arguing against numbers and statistics.
>You are LITERALLY arguing against numbers and statistics.
The irony...
Then will you confidently run through briefly the Japanese microeconomics than basic principles of supply and demand?
I'm not kidding, as you're putting a lot of faith onto making out popular magazines carrying the market.
Not that anon, but last I checked, Vertical, Kodansha USA, Yen Press, D+Q, Fantagraphics, Dark Horse and Seven Seas weren't wholly or only partially pressing Hitotsubashi Group controlled publishing houses.
Manga is doing leaps around comic books for fricking decades , so sftu and go frick yourself you dumb assmad c**t homosexual
Actually, the manga industry is going to crash in 10 years tops while comics will more or less be the same as it is now.
The western manga industry, as in translations could certainly crash within 10 years, but by then the western comics industry will be long gone.
Manga in Japan will be around for ages to come.
I was talking about manga in Japan, weeb.
Then you are twice as moronic.
If you didn't know France had a thriving comic and animation industry you probably should get the frick off this board.
does he mention herge?
Not quite.
Just his favorite comics he thinks suits as gateway for the audience he's got.
>US comics are all capeshit
I thought this man knew his shit?
he specifically namedropped east v west Cinemaphile thread.
>France
Hard pass.
Are there really a bunch of weebs that spend their days on Cinemaphile waiting for East vs West threads to pop up? Why not go spend your time reading manga instead if it's supposedly so much better?
No E-celeb threads please.
If you want to talk BDs, than make a thread about BDs.
>a short video-essay about comics was released
>but we're not allowed to talk about it
It's just razorgay creaming his pants over a few Western BD's and Moebius and seething over manga and Cinemaphile
To be honest 60's and 70's western us comics look more soulful like I rather read random issue of Jonah Hex or something tbh
Yeah because it sucks also not essay, he just talking about them.
>not essay, he just talking about them
???
Yeah homie he didn't write anything about them, it's clearly off the cuff.
Listen man, I like Razorfist, but when you make a thread that focuses on him or any other E-celeb, no one actually discusses the subject of the video, the thread just devolves into spergs sperging out about how much they hate E-celeb or spergs start sperging out about East v. West.
No one here is discussing the list, or any other series they might like, because the only people these threads invite are the spergs.
Like it said, you wanna discuss BDs, discuss BDs, hell, you can talk about the ones Razor lists, just don't make him the nucleus of discussion, or you'll just get spergs complaining about him.
This shitty thread has mostly been waffling about Shonen Jump sales figures with only a few posts b***hing about the guy who did the video.
Those threads die before they reach 100 replies and it's mostly people mocking them instead of comicbook discussion lol.
That alone pokes a few holes in the narrative of 'muh per capita sales' but don't tell the seething razorgays that.
Why does he sound like Daffy Duck
K E K
Why is a lot of European comic art so stiff looking? everything looks so static compared to US or manga.
Heavily referenced and a lot of rendering. that said people's standards for stiffness is different depending on who you ask. A lot of people are so used to speedlines they see anything without them or dynamic posing as stiff. I consider Milo Manara to be a master of really lively and naturalistic movement, done in a subtle way, but I'm sure a lot of people look at his stuff and think it just looks like traced models.
>Heavily referenced
So were Disney films like Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty.
It's more that they completely lack in style and it's hard to distinguish characters from one-another as a result.
What may work on a live action film might not work as well on a comic.
The illustrations in these realistic comics are great but they are definitely stiff and lack a distinguishing style. The storytelling is bad, half the time not knowing who you're supposed to root for.
The cartoony BDs like Lucky Luke, Asterix and stuff aren't stiff looking though.
Where's that gay who said he would translate more volumes of Melusine?
>It's a "lefties have realised the only way they can crack the Cinemaphile hivemind is to start a thread b***hing about [insert eceleb here] and trying to slip in leftie politics under the radar" thread
Yawn.
The frick are you on about a hivemind, Cinemaphile can't agree on what the color of the sky is on a given day, let alone what's good
>I may like to rag on manga but I get why it's appealing to so many lapsed superhero fans
What a shrill take! He's out of control!
I can't believe there are still people who take this moron seriously. It's like listening to alt-right MovieBob unironically.
With the amount of disinformation he spreads and talking out of his ass on a daily basis I'd need a second opinion on all his recommendations.
>inb4 mad weeb
I don't give a shit about manga or west vs east thing.
5 Bidenbux have been deposited in your account.
I hate modern lefties and SJWs even more than Razor.
That doesn't mean I should take seriously a guy who claims France (the birthplace of fricking socialism) is less woke than Japan just because nips have Yaoi over there.
Being a conservative doesn't make him any less moronic. If anything, it shows he's exactly like the people he supposedly "opposes".
>That doesn't mean I should take seriously a guy who claims France (the birthplace of fricking socialism) is less woke than Japan just because nips have Yaoi over there.
He never said anything like that in the video, he just said manga isn't as anti-woke as some people think it is.
>He never said anything like that in the video
He was spreading dumb shit like this for years.
His boner for everything French has a lot of mental gymnastics attached to it.
What does he talk about French besides the comics (some of which are Belgian?)
i think theres a video or two of his shitting on the french government
this of course means its illegal for him to like anything made in france
>he just said manga isn't as anti-woke as some people think it is.
He is full of shit.
There's practically no woke shit in manga.
He's most likely confusing manga that caters to degenerates(including the author themselves) to woke shit.
>He is full of shit.
nah you are full of shit. there'a a reason netto-uyos are such a meme.
>there'a a reason netto-uyos are such a meme.
I never even heard of this garbage.
From the wiki page it just say "WAAAAAAH RIGHT-WING PEOPLE EXIST WAAAAAH!"
Give me a fricking break. This isn't a meme, this is just reality.
you know jack shit about japs, watch some cinema.
That's literally just /misc/
This seems to be the Japanese version of leftist homosexuals labeling non-neocons right-winger as "alt-right"
I bet Japan Times came up with that homosexual term too
no, netto uyos are schizos, Cinemaphile has had several of them haunting the board for years.
and japan HAS addressed woke subjects for years. watch the insect woman.
This is what japen when a weeb pretends he is a japanophile.
Yes yes just like everybody considers /misc/ to be schizos. It's no different.
>the insect woman
Not manga or anime.
The closest I can think of manga being woke is early Sazae-san.
The closest with Anime is the pacifist junk Miyazaki produces.
>The closest with Anime is the pacifist junk Miyazaki produces.
Tbf nearly all major 70s/80s Japan anime/manga creators are baby liberals who grew up during and right after American's occupation. So they generally share western left values. Most of them would produce Straczynski-tier idealistic socialistic drivel if left unchecked, but they generally had to work around certain guidelines.
>Tbf nearly all major 70s/80s Japan anime/manga creators are baby liberals
Not Tomino or Ichiro Itano that's for sure.
Tomino is literally WarBad:The creator.
>asshurt people make popular shit that doesn't shill for sending kids to die for a government that despises them
Miyazaki was literally defending mudslime terrorists in France.
Miyazaki is Alan Moore of Japan.
He's a socialist but he also hates everything about modern consumerist west, regardless of left or right.
Didn't he also publicly humiliate his own son?
It seems like Miyazaki is basically the real-life version of Gendo Ikari as far as fatherhood goes.
Which is fricking hilarious since Anno based Gendo on his dad and yet he's friends with Miyazaki.
Miyazaki wants Anno as his actual son, simple as.
Yes, basically looks down on his kid. I'd hate to be him, imagine the chip on his shoulder. He'll probably go on trying to win his dad's respect for the rest of his life
Miyazaki an butthole, remember when he shit on those CGI animators without understanding they just showing him test animation and not finished thing.
>Satoshi Kon the guy who like super chill and pretty open in interviews also likes what he doing also makes unique films compared to most people in anime who complain about their work or like closed off and hate most their work dies.
>Miyazaki the b***hy old man who hates everything and makes same family movies lives.
why is the world like this?
Nothing fuels a will to keep on living like spite and anger.
Miyazaki was trying much harder in the 70s and 80s back when he had to work to earn his reputation. His earliest work is his best.
Nowdays he can do whatever he wants so he can just make same movie with the same point again and again.
I mean, if that's make him happy...
I just wish more people acted how Kon does when comes to anime, most anime directors talk so awkwardly (which yeah makes sense not ass bad) or like they're like buttholes, every interview and clip I seen of Kon he just seem like normal guy though nerdy but like he just acted like regular dude not like ''otaku'' and shit.
Tomino doesn't shove his shit down your throat the way Miyazaki does.
Also there's no cringe feminist bullshit like in Miyazaki's movies.
They’re still liberal though they’re just liberal in a way that doesn’t offend people
Japan is liberal in the same way Elon Musk is liberal.
Which is to say, modern progs would call them conservatives, because they don't understand that liberalism is a right-leaning ideology.
>Tomino
>Makes antiwar stories
Japan’s a very liberal country just a different type of liberal, It’s why any right wing people are frowned upon over there Look at the backlash the writer of Lain and Digimon Tamers got in his own country or Miyazaki when he made the wind rises which was kind of a celebration about Japanese airplanes that were used in the military
Yeah they're classical liberals not neo-libs
It's why things like Shōjo Tsubaki anime gets banned even though it's not even as bad as some anime air on TV but doesn't wanna censor it self for the government and shows a negative side to Japan from the past they don't want shown.
Tomino is obviously a lefty idealist and futurist. He's just unhinged and/or smart enough to shit on modern society in general. Almost all his works are about humanity needing to evolve past what's holding them back and better itself. He's maybe old-fashioned enough to be considered problematic by modern left but so is someone like Miyazaki.
>but so is someone like Miyazaki.
Miyazaki defended muslim terrorists in France
He is total cancer and anti-free speech
>So they generally share western left values.
GARO, the great japanese adult manga magazine of the 60s and 70s, basically the jap metal hurlant, was heavily left leaning
anon forgets that socialism was big in japan.
or all the environmentalist manga and anime produced, specially by gibhli
hate to tell you my friend but manga artists are notorious in japan for being leftists especially the older mangaka, difference being that leftists there care more about pacifism, anti-imperialism and such than gay diversity shit
Bullshit.
Just because they're not going "Tenno Heika Banzai" every second doesn't mean they're anti-imperialist at all.
Reality is that most manga artists don't give a shit about politics that much and most of them are proud of their country like regular people.
Not that guy you're replying to, but I noticed this in many mangas too. They definitely have an opposition to Might is Right, they always praise females or the feminine in many indirect ways and their protagonist always betray themselves and show their beta side for lack of a better word. They just can't ever reach that state of maturity, and if you read Otaku by Hiroki Azuma, if you aren't someone that has watched anime or read manga you will see how superficial the vast majority of their characters are written.
>They definitely have an opposition to Might is Right
LMAO no
With might they literally always beat the villain in the end
You sounds like the morons who think Naruto is a hypocritical series and character because it supposedly promotes the "hard work > talent" idea when literally in the first chapter we see that Naruto is an idiot who
>has a powerful magical fox sealed into him
>doesn't work hard
>spends most of his time playing pranks for attention
>doesn't concentrate in class and keeps failing something simple like a transformation jutsu and keeps antagonizing his teacher by trolling him
>but at the end of the chapter he's shown to be capable of performing a forbidden technique known as "Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu"
And that's just the first fricking chapter and morons somehow ignore it.
The rest of the manga is filled with "You're not born into a special super-duper clan? No special kekkei-genkai or clan techniques? No huge chakra reserves? Well tough luck you're worthless".
Manga isn't specifically anti-woke, more just non-woke.
Which is not to say that there aren't anti-woke (and woke) manga, but they're generally a tiny minority, where most manga tend to fall somewhere in the middle since generally speaking Japan's art industry tends to be more centrist by today's stnadards.
>Manga isn't specifically anti-woke
Nobody said it was.
He is an obnoxious homosexual.
Claiming that manga art is "idiosyncratic" when there are like 300+ weekly manga magazines and way more monthly magazines published in Japan with all sorts of variety. Yes even the shitty Grimdark Realistic Western garbage he obsesses about has a manga equivalent like Green Blood.
But you'll never see Razorcuck mention it because he's full of shit and he doesn't even know it exists.
That art still looks very "Japanese", though. even realistic stuff like Vagabond and Berserk are unmistakably drawn by Japanese artists. this extends even to paintings.
But Razorgay likes Berserk, but that's like one of 5 manga he knows
>Razorgay likes Berserk
Funny that he can't go about without his usual shtick of mentioning that Berserk ripped-off some Euro comics.
Didn't this clown blatantly rip off Thief for his stupid PULP novel?
Even though Miura never said that Moebius influenced him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentaro_Miura#Influences
This man will call anything a rip off even though everything is inspired by something it just how you executed it, By his logic European comics are rip offs because most of them copy the format that was created in America like panels,comic bubbles,captions,etc.
This gay for all his suppose patriotism never gives any credit to the early American comics.
Popeye and MAD Magazine influenced French comics a lot.
But he ignores 90% of comics and pretends they don't exist.
I mean the intro he only brings up cape shit and you think somebody who’s supposed to be as cool and edgy as him would know about all the underground and alternative work from back then in the US that is some of the best comics produced but he only knows ninja turtles because it’s mainstream
Popeye was mainstream.
But if it's cartoony it might as well not even exist for Razor.
Its kinda funny watching old nerds not realize that a lot of their favorite creators were, and still are, lefties; its just that lefties in the 80's and 90's were all about being anti-censorship and against the "moral right"
>its just that lefties in the 80's and 90's were all about being anti-censorship and against the "moral right"
Yes, unlike modern lefties who are basically just authoritarian Christians with a gay hat and with social justice instead of the ten commandments.
Here's the links for the free Durango translations he has in the video description:
Vol 1:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/qvvih2z22m7fnid/Durango_1_-_Dogs_Die_in_Winter.cbr
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Vol 2:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fys4dgab9frmdx3/Durango_2_-_The_Forces_of_Wrath.cbr
Vol 3:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/vyox71vbc6uy8db/Durango_3_-_Trap_for_a_Gunfighter.cbr
This guy sounds like Raphael from old school TMNT b***hing about shit.
Razorgays main schtick is that he does his rants without a script, but we all know he totally does read something because we can see the screen glaring in his glasses. If he took them off, we'd be seeing his eyes moving too, so it's a loose loose.
>Razorgays main schtick is that he does his rants without a script
Since when? I've never heard him claim that.
He's been saying it forever. I remember him saying it all the way back in 2017.
He did mention in a few streams, and possibly in some comments, that he uses bullet-points since he doesn't like reading off script, which makes it technically true, since he thinks up of lines on the spot and doesn't have them prepared.
I got no problem with him reading bullet points, he's a good orator with good flow. He just needs to stop larping as the man with the golden speech brain.
I'm a big fan of when he uploaded a video of himself jerking off on his webcam along with his then-phone number lmao
Checking out his translation of Durango, what's a good CBR reader without malware bros?
how to forget about TOKYO GODFATHERS, a found family anime about japanese travestites.
anon talking out his ass as usual.
That’s the irony about anime getting all these right wing fans is the country that produces them the very left wing country, It’s just two Americans it isn’t because it’s not the same as Western left-wing politics And they also keep a lot of their traditions except for nationalism which is frown upon
Anyone that cares about sales is stupid anyway because comics will always exist because people always make them sells or not
Cinemaphile caring about sales at all is even funnier because this same website will hide pirated goods under shitty encryption just to keep casuals away.
>comics will always exist
Just like pulps or 2D western animated films...
Yeah, comics will exist in Deviantart sites the way things are going but I wouldn't want to read that crap
Comics will always exist though lol, like they're easy as frick to make and pulps still exist they just became books lol.
Pulps are now fanfiction.net
Admit it
Pulps exist, yeah.
>owning the libs
>owning the weebs
Is there anything Razor can't own?
People farther right than him. But we need people dabbing on those two demographics you mentioned, so he's not so bad.
>Is there anything Razor can't own?
A girlfriend.
He has a girlfriend. Some republican thot. Or at least he did.
It really is a fricking sad state that people need someone like Razorcuck to shill classic comics. There should be people who like this stuff and are actually tolerable to listen to.
His Elric and Solomon Kane shilling is alright when he's not pushing the "Geralt rips off Elric!" autism.
Razorfist is a fricking contrarian homosexual. Hell, even his politics is just rooted on contrarianism. At least the /other/ long-haired political commentator does a better job of veiling whatever insecurity he has
Nice try
Razorfist and Styx are the same person
>disagree with me?
>you're just being contrarian
Razorf likes being an attention-grabbing diva. One look at him and you can see he unironically views himself as a washed-up rockstar who can just say whatever he wants and stick it to everyone around him.
He's the definition of contrarian.
Sounds like fanfiction.
He CAN say whatever he wants. What are you talking about?
>He CAN say whatever he wants.
And other people can say to him that he's full of shit.
But he doesn't seem to take it well, does he?
How?
See
Also blocking anyone who dares to say something he doesn't like.
He made an entire video just to scream at the camera how much he doesn't care about people shitting on him over Elden Ring.
>See
oh no no no
Pretty mild tea.
Still stronger than anything razorcuck can handle
>who can just say whatever he wants and stick it to everyone around him
He can say whatever YouTube will allow him to say without completely taking down his channel.
m-m-manga isn't d-d-doing well in j-j-japan
>starts shitting pants and flailing arms spastically
The weebs praising manga on here sound like the morons that thought Japan would be a serious world power in the late 80s/early 90s before their economic bubble burst.
We had a thread a few days ago about Euro comics; basically they're not as popular because the material is slow, the artwork isn't everyone's cup of tea, and the stories aren't particularly worth waiting on.
Even most of Razorfist's video is mostly recommending Moebius(the guy everyone knows) and adaptations of Conan stories.
I don't care how good they are, I'm not engaging with the fricking French.
>everything I don't like is a ripoff
I try to like the guy because similar interests and all but how childish can you get?
They seethed because he spoke the truth.
You mean how Razor's fans are seething in this thread because other people are telling the truth?
>n-no u
So that's a yes then
>murican capeshit
>frog garbage
>no pantyshots
Hehehe. You can't compare to the genius of the kawaii tbh ne Japanese master race. The next Netflix adaptation will bring the mcu to it's kness gaijin kun!
I like Razorfist a lot honestly, he can absolutely be contrarian a lot of the time, but his commentary is always interesting, his quips are unironically clever and funny, and his Depths of DS9 is wicked comfy