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When you think of Batgirl, WHICH Batgirl first pops into your head

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love Batgirls!

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steph. Cass is cool but she isn't what I think of when I think batgirl.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, did you only start reading Batman comics between '09 and '11 and have no exposure to the franchise outside that ever?
      '66 reruns
      BTAS, TAoB&R, TNBA
      The Batman
      Every videogame.
      Every comic between 67 and 99 or 2011 to present.
      It's Babs. It's always Babs.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's Babs. It's always Babs.
        sure but in most of them she isn't spunky and cute and plucky with a bit of snark, which is what the ideal image of Batgirl is to most people. TNBA and The Batman come the closest. In the last 13 years of comics she's a 29 year old woman clinging onto her college years. In Pre-crisis she was a fully grown woman. Not really fun like Steph was in her book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My introduction was the batman and re runs of tnba. In those batgirl was a younger girl circa college aged with a fun personality who is smart but not super smart a rapport with Robin and being exes with the older Robin. All of those match with steph more than babs. So she feels like that ideal batgirl the most.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm gonna be a hater but Babs as Batgirl is dry as dust. She has absolutely no sauce. I cannot see any reason to prefer her as Batgirl over the others

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Every videogame
        Babs is Oracle in DCUO.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Every videogame
        Babs is Oracle in DCUO.

        Oh, and Cass is Batgirl.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batgirl should be an incompetent bimbo that gets people killed and galivants around on rooftops instead of looking after her kid

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Them grooming Maps into nudism when?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know if it wasn’t for Maps being a minor it would be hilarious if we could meme it into existence like Cass-anon did with his CassKon shipping

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We can still meme it into existence anon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Look, if it gets really memed into existence, that DC officially publish an issue containing both Steph and Cass as nudists grooming young Maps into the no-clothes lifestyle, I’d be willing to eat my own socks with ghost pepper

          you can send me a screenshot shot of this post when it happens and I’ll do it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How was it memed into existence

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maps is Japanese. They're ok with nudity. It's the...other batgirl shit they need to groom her into.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But she was raised in America!

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make way for the OG, b***hes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's so funny to me how DC has erased Bette from history, they usually like to acknowledge legacies and shit like that, but Bette has pretty much been memory-holed by the company, they really want everyone to believe that Barbara Gordon was the first Batgirl ever.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She doesnt have a fanbase unlike the other two.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          True, but one would imagine they'd at the very least acknowledge her existence.
          Whether she's a popular character or not shouldn't matter just to say "there actually was a Batgirl before Babs", but nah, they just straight up act like Barbara was the first girl to ever be a Bat.

          Bette falls under the Titans purview. She'll be back. Hopefully in a summer special wearing a skimpy bikini.

          I guess, but she technically started a Batman character, it's just that she wasn't really worth taking back from the Titans like Dick, so the Batman editorial didn't bother with her.

          There was also a supergirl before the Kara Zor-el version; a few characters had "prototype" versions like Swamp Thing. Bette faired better than most, and thematically she was more a female Robin counterpart than what Babs was. Babs introduced the concept of Batgirl as an independent agent.

          I know there were a handful of prototypes before the actual characters showed up, it's just that Bette was already like the final product of the Batgirl they wanted for that time, they didn't stop using her to make way for the brand new first official Batgirl, they just naturally dropped her, and Babs being introduced as Batgirl was its own separate thing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Roberta was the proto-bette.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Who?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Roberta the Girl Wonder!
                She was a Golden Age stalker that Dick briefly dated before exposing her secret identity on national news and gaslighting her over it.
                It's peak comedy because it's such a product of the times. I wish someone would modernize it and acknowledge how fricked up it was.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I wish someone would modernize it and acknowledge how fricked up it was.

                >redhead
                Ofc Dick has a type.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I wish someone would modernize it and acknowledge how fricked up it was.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dick needs a League of Evil Exes where it's all the women in his life who hold a grudge against him.
                Roberta and Dala and Tarantula and Defacer and Agent 8 and King Nnamdi's daughter and probably some others I'm forgetting. Who was that girl he fake married in the 90s?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dick needs a League of Evil Exes where it's all the women in his life who hold a grudge against him.
                I'd read that issue of Nightwing. The evil mastermind is Oracle, who is still salty over Helena.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was actually super reasonable of him

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was messed up. He was throwing her romantic picnics in the park all cuddled up under the oak trees. Batman was out of town the whole time, they definitely fricked in the Batmobile.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I wish someone would modernize it and acknowledge how fricked up it was.

                OK, but why?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People often complain that Dick is too whitebread with no visible flaws, that all his rough edges have been sanded off of him over the years. Most of them (anger issues, daddy issues, aimless young adult issues) have been resolved and aren't worth revisiting. But he has a long history of bad relationships, he's been raped multiple times, including once as a minor. He's been to the altar three times and still somehow never gotten married.

                One writer had Thunder call him a womanizer. I don't think that's fair, but there's something there. Why not work it into a story?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bette falls under the Titans purview. She'll be back. Hopefully in a summer special wearing a skimpy bikini.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was also a supergirl before the Kara Zor-el version; a few characters had "prototype" versions like Swamp Thing. Bette faired better than most, and thematically she was more a female Robin counterpart than what Babs was. Babs introduced the concept of Batgirl as an independent agent.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and thematically she was more a female Robin counterpart

          Mostly because there was a moral panic over Batman and Robin being gay. "They totally kiss girls and stuff, guys! They're totally not gay!" Lucky Dick, he got a cute blondie chasing after him.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Lucky Dick, he got a cute blondie chasing after him.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cute, when Dick thought girls had cooties

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But he''s a teenager there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Mostly because there was a moral panic over Batman and Robin being gay.
            Well I mean “our hero isn’t a pedophile groomer” is a good thing to establish, regardless of your stance on fudgepackers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wertham's Seduction of the Innocent aka "EC Comics are gross and Batman's a gay" would've made any editor worth his weight in goat manure add love interests to the title.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What would you have done

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Have Batman get married and make Dick Grayson go to a private high school where he gets locked in a love triangle. It was the 50s, romance books were big and merging romance and capeshit is what made Claremont's Uncanny an all-timer title.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sauce?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which one has a piss kink?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barbara Gordon holds the status in my mind as THE Batgirl, the same way Dick Grayson always has been and always will be THE Robin to me.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cass tbh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sames

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I call shenanigans on anyone saying anything but Babs as the first thing that comes to mind. If the question was "Who you prefer", I can completely understand thinking Cass is better or Steph fits the image more, but unless you've hard filtered, eternal sunshined Babsgirl out of your head she's so visible in batmedia it's hard to not think of her unless you're being very obtuse. Even if your immediate response is "Frick they're using Babsgirl again, wish they used Cass/Steph"
    And no, Babs isn't my favorite.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Babs as Oracle is more what I associate her with and I barely read anything of Steph, but largely know of her in connection with Spoiler. Ergo when somebody says "Batgirl" I immediately go to Cass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I explained my logic, when I think of Batgirl i think if a fun college aged girl tied with the former robin. That's comic steph.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe people here think of the comics they read more than media they watched when they were kids once?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And in the comics they read, the shadow of Babsgirl hangs pretty far.
        Again, thinking of Babs first isn't an admission of thinking she's better.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And that's fine, but theres going to be people that think more about the other two so they come to mind first

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know what to tell you but I'm not a 50 year old man so Babs was not Batgirl when I started reading. She could be batgirl for the rest of my life and she will likely never be who I think of first because when Babs is batgirl I don't care about Batgirl and when batgirl is Babs I don't care about Babs, so I don't read shit with her

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't know what to tell you but I'm not a 50 year old man
        you're not a young man either in all likelihood.
        Cass and Steph's time as the main batgirls was a 10 year period that ended 14 years ago. Cass as your first mental image of Batgirl makes you, most likely, someone in your late 20's through early 40's(who,apparently, never saw any other batman media within your formative years)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Could be that formative years dont matter as much as what actually resonates.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But the original question was never about who resonates more with you, but who pops in your head first. If you think of Cass or Steph 24/7(which ok, I can see some people here hyperfixated enough to be like), I can see them popping up first if you drown out every other bit of reality pushing Babsgirl.

            You still haven't revealed who you like better than Babs. Which I think means you are just Domino Dare Doll using ChatGPT to avoid detection.

            It's Cass, honestly, as a character, in particular Puckett's version. I haven't even liked a Babsgirl comic since New 52. But when I go anywhere and see any bit of Batgirl merch, or see Batgirl in other media- it's Babs. I read comics, I love comics, but unless it's a legacy character with a massive push(and not even then, Miles will never be my first image of Spider-man), it's hard to replace the more classic one in my head simply because I'm inundated more with images and media of that "classic" version.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cass really is who I think of first. Maybe if Babs was relevent enough outside her own material it wouldn't be thay way, but she's not. She's just kind of there.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah and what we think of first is going to be connected to that. Or they just never had a media that was that babs heavy. Like the nolan films or the burton films.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The question wasn't "which is most popular." Even a die hard Stephhead like me knows Babs is most popular. But fans think of who they think of. Miles vs Peter is also not the same as Steph and Cass vs. Babs, depending on what media you've watched. The tv shows with Babs are popular, but not as popular as the Raimi or Holland films, or probably even the Garfield films. I am curious if the Spider-Verse films will push Miles to a point where some people think he'll be the main Spider-Man, but I doubt it. People who say that kind of thing are delusional.

              Batgirl isn't the same as Spider-Man, though. Sidekicks are much more swappable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                T-o-C-A

                The thing wih miles still have peter, so unless something just has him its unlikley, not impossible but defintely uncommon. Most people will still think of batman first before any batgirl.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's why I made my second point. Batgirl isn't the same as Batman, who is a more reasonable comparison with Spider-Man. Though now I wonder if they made Peter Iron Man's sidekick in the MCU so they would have an easier time swapping him with Miles?

              • 3 weeks ago
                T-o-C-A

                Oh 100 percent, i was agreeing with you. Hell even robin has kind of..not been used in a ton of casual friendly media.MCU peter has a lot of stuff in common with comic miles (more bland personality, similar best friend, geos to special school, knows's miles's uncle, knows spanish, motivated by older hero that dies, young hip mother figure) so it'd be harder to do miles, but theyre probably gonna do it anyways.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I still think MCU wanted to do Miles but was too cowardly/racist to do so. I wish they had instead of the weird hybrid character they did.

                Speaking of hybrids, Batwheels Cass is an odd one. 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Peter's more popular worldwide. Miles doesn't have that. His popularity is mostly US-based.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You still haven't revealed who you like better than Babs. Which I think means you are just Domino Dare Doll using chatGPT to avoid detection.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, did you only start reading Batman comics between '09 and '11 and have no exposure to the franchise outside that ever?
      '66 reruns
      BTAS, TAoB&R, TNBA
      The Batman
      Every videogame.
      Every comic between 67 and 99 or 2011 to present.
      It's Babs. It's always Babs.

      So who is your favorite?

      Dibs on Bette

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cass and Steph had mostly successful comic runs back when superhero comics still were relevant. Babs was retconned during the New 52 era in which American comics died a final death.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >back when superhero comics still were relevant
        The Silver Age?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oof

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Babs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Babs' baps

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barbara. She's one of the few legacy characters/sidekicks that are actually known to mainstream audiences. I doubt very few people outside of niche circles even know who the other two are or that there is more than one Batgirl.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good thing we're in a comic forum

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody reads comics

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OK and people that don't read comics don't care about any of em and don't know anything beyond her height a redhead. Unless they follow media dedicatedly in which case they'll know the others exist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Barbara is a spin off character not a legacy one. And regardless actual casuals don't even know her name beyond her being "redhead near batman" like they don't know what Robin's name is.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The leather-clad bdsm Barbara Gordon, who should have been canon before the Killing Joke.
    How is this even a question?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cass, every time. Product of my age probably. Still, always thought Babs was a way cooler character as Oracle and as much as I like Steph, I like her best as a foil to Cass.

    >Kate
    Literally who

    • 3 weeks ago
      T-o-C-A

      Kate's not really a batgirl.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I was shitposting but I still got the name wrong, I meant Helena

        • 3 weeks ago
          T-o-C-A

          Lol, yeah i guess helena was! She even created cass's costume which is odd to think about becuase its so unlike her usual astethic but so fitting for cass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, if you contextualize the meta history of the character, Huntress designing a bat suit that looks like a cross between Batman and Catwoman from Batman Returns is kinda genius.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Robin.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gentle yet firm reminder that asiaticgirl has zero character, zero rogues, zero memorable or iconic stories, and zero relevance with modern audiences despite having multiple chances to achieve all of the above.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look dog, I'm a simple man: if I sees a girl in leather bodysuit with obvious tie-points and hood that leaves the mouth open, I likes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >zero memorable or iconic stories
      I know you're baiting but I'll bite

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Story nobody but asiaticgirl homosexuals remember
        Sure showed me!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          As opposed to barbara's iconic stories that non barabara fans rememeber like the time she got jokered or...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One more memorable story than asiaticgirl, nice self-own.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The only memorable one is one that specifically took her out of the role, i mean you cant even talk individual issues which the other two can, but you act as if everything validates your stupidity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pissthrowing aside, one of the strengths of Cass's run imo was having a whole lot of really solid single issue stories that were more or less self-contained. It's hard to tell a good story in that small amount of space but Puckett and crew were pulling it off pretty reliably back then.

                Pic related is a banger despite having one of the most blatant bait covers of all time lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Absolutely, the next two runs being more arc based hurt cass as a character compared to that self contained stuff

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I definitely agree with that, they fell a little flat. 12 also had one of those annoying af stories where you had to cross buy another book to continue the story. God help anyone looking back and trying to sort that shit out nowadays.

              • 3 weeks ago
                El Barto

                ah, the “this issue: BATMAN DIES!!!” event

                that was on every bat related issue afaik

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's not even Bab's story it's about Joker

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Babs, and 99% of people will say the same.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who's spying on Cass and Maps? Wrong answers only.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damian, standing to attention.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damian, who’s spying on Cass teaching Maps the martial arts application of the Kama Sutra

        Oh boy Damian's a perv.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damian, who’s spying on Cass teaching Maps the martial arts application of the Kama Sutra

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can see weaponizing sex appeal, but how do you do it with sex positions? Besides choking/wrestling, since the opponent could easily do the same to you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember a sex comic where a tomboy fighter/assassin with daggers was using sex and her underwear to take out enemies during a battle

          Can't be assed to spend 30 mins-/ hour to find it tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You sure that wasn't Empowered? That sounds like Empowered.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Doubt it since it was medieval

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh I remember! There was a scene where the girl chokes a dude with her G-string panties. Also cut a dude's dick while it was inside her.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      THE STALKER!

      BEWARE GOTHAM, AS THERE IS A NEW VILLAIN IN TOWN! HE IS THE PANTY PILFERER! THE DEVIOUS DEVIANT! THE SLITHERING SICKO!

      BETTER BEWARE WHERE YOU HANG YOUR CAPES FEMALE HEROES! FOR THERE MIGHT BE THE STALKER HIDING IN YOUR CLOSET!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does he know if Maps shaves her pussy?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          YES! FOR HE WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS SHAVED!
          .
          .
          .
          BY CASS! They did each other. Maps shaved Cass first. The heat and sweat got her aroused. Cass took notice and when it was her turn to take care of the teen, she put her tongue to use.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did Maps squirt?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Would Cass really do a job half done?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did Damian see?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS IN PURSUIT OF THE STALKER!

                cass wold be awful at shaving

                Herself because she wouldn't mind having a bush, perhaps. But as an adept of any blade, an hygienic razor comes easy to her as any tool would. And if she lacks experience... well, she has someone else to practice on

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How much did Damian see?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He saw the climax

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He saw Maps squirt?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ywn eating out Maps
                >ywn cum into Cass’ mouth
                Why even live?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You think Maps and Olive experimented?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This I doubt. Olive knew Maps through Kyle, and Kyle is too lawful-good to want to threesome, and too protective of Maps to allow it.

                She might have tried with Katherine tho.
                >Imagine Maps going to class naked except she has Katherine shapeshifted into her school uniform.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would Katherine stimulate Maps's pussy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, even going so far as aiming for the clit extra hard when she has to answer the teacher’s questions

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And if Maps cums in class?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s just her feeling unwell, she should go to the infirmary

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does anyone figure out what Maps and Katherine are doing?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It always bothers me that they didn't make the Gotham Academy kids into Damian's supporting cast. In fact, Maps could be the Good Girl Betty for Damian, with Flatline being the Bad Girl Veronica.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            cass wold be awful at shaving

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’m picturing https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3912899 but hotter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damian and Talia, she intends them to join

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nudists

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So that Jeremy adams book with steph in it, is it a new yj? We know it's got steph, jai and irey, animal girl, and Mr terrifics son and quiz kid

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it will be Superkids, the team named in Flash 797

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you know as much as we do, Adams hasn't commented on it yet as far as I know. I and a lot of people get the feeling he's running with the idea that Steph's good with kids and she's playing guardian over all these kids(basically like the Red Tornado in YJ or Black canary in the animated YJ)
      It's the kind of thing that's never really outright said but was a thing in a few comics before her Batgirl run but leaned into particularly in it.
      IIRC the writer for this run even said Steph would major in something related to social work with children in college when she did her major.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Steph's history being remembered?? That seems fake

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For what it's worth, Adam's whole Flash run was basically picking up from threads pre-flashpoint so he knows his stuff. And one of Irey's pre-flashpoint plotlines was going to be being on a team with Steph and Damian.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True, that had her with a crush on damian, wonder if that'll be there still? The flash run had kid jon having a crush on her.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steph for me! Cause she is my fave.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's always going to be Babs.
    Google seems to agree.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ignoring everything else favorite and least favorite costume for batgirl in general?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Favorite
      Cass's OG
      >Least favorite
      This one. It just kinda feels like a onesie with a symbol on it, and the hair feels weird to me. I don't like the hair coming out the back on Steph either, it feels like a weird mullet with the way the cowl looks on top. Should do batwoman-styke with the whole head of hair out instead

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >asiaticgirl homosexual has shit taste
        Shocker!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Really it's more armored if anything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not burnside at least
        Damm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cass's OG
        So Helena.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No the stitched up version with the whole face hidden, Helena's is canonically the same suit but its appearance is different

          I was shitposting but I still got the name wrong, I meant Helena

          >asiaticgirl homosexual has shit taste
          Shocker!

          Wait you like the mullet and baldcap look?

          >not burnside at least
          Damm

          Cook me if you will but I kinda like the burnside suit. Love the boots and leather jacket. Snap-on cape kinda stupid because that thing would get ripped off in two seconds but eh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're saying the same thing, except I've actually read the comics we're talking about.
            Helena's Batgirl suit was all stitched up with the entire face hidden.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're right. Gimme a break though, I read No-Man's Land like 20 years ago

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Really? Why?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why what? Liking the burnside suit?

              Story aside it feels like a nice step between a 1960s spandex costume and something a person would wear without going into the military tacticool zone or putting random lines on it. I also used to date a girl who wore a jacket like that so I'm probably biased.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yep, its bad taste. Joking.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Snap-on cape kinda stupid because that thing would get ripped off in two seconds but eh
            That's the point really, ever since the incredible, smarmy meta commentary that capes would be a hazard. Which was cute in the movie, but stupid if you're limiting yourself with a character like Batman where the cape is largely part of the aesthetic.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I guess I get that, good way to shut cinemasins people up. But then it becomes a miracle that the thing is ever there at all lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post the edit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The snap-on cape got snagged in its final appearance, ripping instead of snapping off.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's easily the best Batgirl suit ever.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wait you like the mullet and baldcap look?
            How the frick is it a mullet? It existed decades before the mullet was ever a thing. Female characters have used those cowls since the 40's.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >only long in back
              It's a mullet

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We're saying the same thing, except I've actually read the comics we're talking about.
          Helena's Batgirl suit was all stitched up with the entire face hidden.

          Helena might've worn the suit first in canon, but it's Cass' suit. She was never meant to be Batgirl or meant to wear the suit forever, her time with the suit was simply to put the idea of Batgirl back on the playing field.
          The costume was designed for the "new Batgirl", and Cass was designed to be that new Batgirl. Other people held Excalibur but it's Arthur's sword.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This one was another banger tho. "Criminal has a family who cares about him" isn't exactly a new idea, but I think Cass's naiveté helps the story. Doing this with Batman is dumb because you know Bruce has already encountered and considered this--most people who DON'T swing around punching crooks in the face have probably considered this, but Cass hasn't had the opportunity to. And the way it calls back to how she thinks abkut her own father is kino.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't stand Cass for the same reason I can't stand Connor Hawke, Kyle Raynor, or 00s Tim Drake. For some reason a lot of the characters from that era resorted to powerlevels bullshit to justify their existence as legacy characters. It wasn't enough for them to have unique costumes, personalities, or supporting casts, they needed to be propped up as the EST in their field.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cass is demonstraated to be an absolute ass detetctive though. And a lot of her earlier stories revolve around her not really getting how this superhero shit works like

      >zero memorable or iconic stories
      I know you're baiting but I'll bite

      Girl can't even read

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Connow hawke was shit at aiming for most of his history, kyle was just picked by chance, tim mostly got wanked during his red robin phase than prior.

      And cass herslef put all her points into fighting, she's pretty bad at everything else.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kyle was the strongest GL by a long shot with that Ion shit. Then when he got replaced they doubled down with the White Lantern.
        Connor Hawk was the best martial artist till Cass came along.
        Then Cass was the best martial artist till she got Beechen'd.
        Tim was the smartest and the cleverest and the Batmanest Robin starting in '03. Then when he got replaced they doubled down in Red Robin.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ion shit happened when hal came back and was being pushed hard, it and white lantern were just ways of trying to say "no Kyle still matters, trust us" and both happened way after his debut.
          Sure, was still the worst at using a bow and arrow. His main thing.
          Cass was still a top tier martial artist after that and has been consistently. Just horrible at everything else consistently.
          That was mostly in johns book, and red robin made him smart but mostly just wanted that rather than making him the bestest (if anything that eras books all wanked dick harder).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cass was a top tier martial artist at the expense of like every other ability score and Shiva still beat her ass like a ragdoll

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tbh that applies more to Damian and post return hal than these characters.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is Damian the best at besides getting punked out and lil bro'd by everyone not named Tim Drake?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The constant wanking over the other robins? The whole bit of him just being great at everything and being rewarded by the narrative for being obnoxious?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think we're reading the same comics.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The new 52 batman and robin book was all about wanking damian. And making so hia death is even more importanter than Jason's.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I'd still say we're not reading the same comics. Damian's whole thing was that he would frequently talk big and not back it up. They definitely spent more time dwelling directly on Damian's death, where Jason's hung around the Bat books like a shroud for the next 20 years, but it was all building up to his eventual return. A decade later, Jason's is the one that everyone remembers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We've had two different stories of him beating the other 2/3 robins save dick. And that doesnt change that in the book bruce goes to apocalypse to ressurect damian and everyone helps him lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well said. I don’t hate Cass but making her more competent than Batman rather defeats the point of the Batgirl role in my eyes. It’s the “bigger batman” meme but applied to a qt asian girl so people don’t see it, they just see a woobie in need of healing dick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She's not more competent than him though, just an autistic savant at fighting.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bruce is a better detective, is smart to make gadgets, can prep time, can read, can communicate ideas, ect. Cass is better at fighting. Lime how babs is better at tech and hacking.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How the frick is a 5'2 asian girl better at fighting than Batman? Why would the editors ever approve of shit like this considering how much Batman is otherwise wanked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same way a normal man can beat literal gods.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It works for Batman because he's DC's most popular character by a wide margin. Cass is nowhere near popular enough to be able to do the same.

              He's never been better than Shiva either. That's comics, baybee.

              He can solo the Justice League but loses to a D-list wuxia stereotype?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In hand to hand, bruce always wins when he uses prep time like drugging shiva or hitting her with his car.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He can out-plan the justice league maybe, he cannot box Clark. Be serious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why can't he? Harley can.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's never been better than Shiva either. That's comics, baybee.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Having Batman be worse than Shiva, Tiger, and Dragon was fine because they weren't part of the Batman family. They'd appear for a single issue once every couple of years, it didn't matter. You see the difference, right? You wouldn't make the Karate Kid into a Robin, would you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have an issue with Barbara being more tech savvy than Bruce or dick being a better leader? If you do then sure, if you don't then it doesn't hold up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why not? I don't see why Bruce has to be the best at literary everything. Its not like Cass is ever upstaging him at all, she is constantly learning from him in the book. Its just that what she has to learn is how to be a person, not how to throw a kick.

                Besides that, her being better than Bruce and hand to hand is, frankly, mostly fan wank iirc. It's suggested that it could be true at one point but its never a major factor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they just see a woobie in need of healing dick.
        this is also why I don't particularly like Cass as much as I used to, it just feels like a lot of her fandom likes her for being an uwu cute girl who can KICK ASS and thus easy for a socially awkward comic nerd to date and easy to impress because you just have to give her love.
        The shitty thing is she isn't, Cass is best when she's smug and wienery but that seems to be such a small part of what people like about her, and make her out to be a timid, shrinking violet all the time.
        I hate how Psu draws cass most of the time. Great artist, I hate the personality she gives her. she looks like she'd be afraid of her own shadow

        • 3 weeks ago
          T-o-C-A

          Cass absolutely should be smug, maybe a bit oversmug given what she knows at times, but i feel that's more endearing?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do people think this? She has never been more competent than Batman or anywhere close to it. It was suggested she might beat him in a fight, because her brain is wired on fighting instead of language. She can't do a single goddamn other thing he does

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why do people think this?
          because Puckett said so.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So what? That doesn't really have a bearing on the stories

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because if Cass isn't an option then they have to admit that Jason is the only one of the current line up who could ever conceivably succeed Bruce AND who wants the job which despite the fact that it'll never happen ever is apparently a hot button issue for gays to fight over about the Batfamily.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cass's idea to replace Batman was to make Batman Inc.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The network actually but honestly smart idea.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jason wanted it once and him killing made him the worst choice. And when people want cass to succeed Bruce they always say she should still have her weaknesses

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's mellowed out since then, and killing isn't the problem. Burce's issues are if he started killing he literally would not be able to stop, Jason's hang ups with Bruce meant that he basically decided to make a point that he could stop whenever the frick he wanted but first wanted to make sure the worst homosexuals were dead before Bruce or the others could frick things up.

              Since then he's shown repeatedly he can kill some mother frickers but let other people go since he's not a murder obsessed maniac.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The time he was batman and showed intrest in it he acted like that. Since then he's shown zero desire for it. And everyone else always reacts harshly to Bruce getting more violent they would 100 percent not let him be batman if he kills.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cass's idea to replace Batman was to make Batman Inc.

            Yeah but then Dick said "hold my pixie boots" and jumped in face first and absolutely crushed it as Batman.
            Wasn't this all resolved 15 years ago?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dick is sich a perfect successor to Bruce that ut makes me pissed off how comics can't just let a mf stay dead. I love Bruce, but Dick is the perfect second generation to him. He's not as strong alone or in combat, but a Batman who has a network doesn't need to be. Only Bruce could be Batman at the time of Year One, but that's not how things are now, and frankly Dick is much better at the interpersonal and collaborative aspects than Bruce.

              But everything has to zip back to the status quo, so he got a small kick at it and it'll never happen again. Dick!Bat and Bucky!Cap are two of comic's greatest losses imo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Morrison did dickbats and he just wanted it to be his convoluted shit about meta shit than letting dick be batman

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But everything has to zip back to the status quo
                Because Bruce is Batman in the shit that makes money. Film, games and merchandise. It's on you for thinking the comics actually matter more than those.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dick is sich a perfect successor to Bruce that ut makes me pissed off how comics can't just let a mf stay dead. I love Bruce, but Dick is the perfect second generation to him. He's not as strong alone or in combat, but a Batman who has a network doesn't need to be. Only Bruce could be Batman at the time of Year One, but that's not how things are now, and frankly Dick is much better at the interpersonal and collaborative aspects than Bruce.

              But everything has to zip back to the status quo, so he got a small kick at it and it'll never happen again. Dick!Bat and Bucky!Cap are two of comic's greatest losses imo

              When you really get down to it, the problem is that Dick wants to be his own man and would forever be stuck in Bruce's shadow, Tim would be the definition of a placeholder, Jason could only do it if they ever let him and Bruce get over the Joker-killed-me-shit which is never happening, and Damian's entire gimmick is joking that he's only allowed to be a good successor in alternative continuities. JPV did an okay stab at it but they nuked that so fricking hard in the most infamous of BatSchizo episodes possible that most people didn't even notice that Bruce ended up ripping off JPV's shtick on and off for the rest of his existence.

              Unironically Terry is the only one who's ever pulled it off well because he's the only guy who's ever been in a situation to learn all the good shit from Bruce without either ending up with a complex of somekind from Bruce being too controlling/having him from too early on or picking up any of his moronic habits borne of his various mental problems without getting bounced back by the office throwing a tantrum and he only manages that by being in a spin off that perpetually has its equivalent in the comics exist in the nebulous future.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Terry pulled it off because he had a cool design and was made when a lot of internet fans were kids and before culture wars over characters were a big thing. And his cartoon was cool. That's it. You could never pull off a character like Terry in the comics now because people would question what right he has to be Batman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's funny, we had this convo today and tonight I picked up the recent-ish detective comics run where Bat!Tim from.the future shows up, which I bought months ago but hadn't read, and this is pretty much how it goes in that.

                Dick does it for a while but can't stand being shackled to Gotham. Jason gets crippled by some assassins. Damian rules gotham with an iron fist and it gets bad enough that Tim apparently has to stop him and become a tyrant of his own despite absolutely not wanting that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was because they needed to justify how Tim got his evil Batman arc while he was spiraling out into irrelevancy. Tynion had to write out all the better characters because Tim he was dead last in the line of succession.

              • 3 weeks ago
                T-o-C-A

                I dont entirely disagree with this but id add that with damian it kinda fricks his arc of not being defined by his blood and all. And with jason it'd require him to have moved so past beyond his personality that it just wouldnt be jason. With terry id say it only works in the context of beyond where bruce has tanked every single relationship he's had, which is already a bit of a bad end with btas but would reek in mainstream continuity (which is why its smarter to do him either post damian, or what im doing which is post cass).

                Cass wants it and it'd be a good part of her arc..but she'd 100 percent need other people to help out.

                Also they fricked up the replacement. No Warner exec in the current era will put a mute Asian girl in a gimp suit and call her Batgirl because it's a coomer fetish begging for cancellation. But skipping over her for Steph is also a bad look, because then it seems like they're racist. So it's easier to keep cycling back to Babs.

                Eh gunn defintely seems to want to use her, and nowadays cass went from not appearing in anything during 20 years to four pieces of media back-to-back. It might just be the general media push to use more "diverse" characters and thus why its so surface level, but its defintely a thing.

                Babs for me. Probably my favorite comic character.

                >an entire generation and change knows her much better as Oracle
                This feels like a bit of an exaggeration, that same generation likely grew up with plenty of Babsgirl content. That’s not even mentioning how the Arkham series kept Babs as the sole Batgirl or how Arkham Knight dedicated an entire DLC campaign to Babs as Batgirl.

                Being fair, the basbgirl stuff is widely inconsitent (which is an issue for the robins and now cass) so its hard for someone that liked her in one thing to like her outside of those, and the biggest pieces of media didnt really have her. Unless you count an uncredited cameo in dark knight as an apperence. Or other media using oracle, like the 4 arkham games (ak had her as batgirl for dlc but all 4 games had her as oracle), or yj. She is still the most well known, i feel debating that is stupid lol.

                Would you be opposed to her breaking from the family and leading a league of assasin type thing?

                As the other two responses have said fairly eloquently, breaking from hte family not ncessarily, its not the ideal setup, but you could do something intresting. Maybe her forming her own vigilante team that's so against death it even stops cops from killing and takes rehabilitation into its own hands? Sure. Assasins tho? Nah.

                Tbh shit like this is probably why you have a vocal minority of Jasongays that want them to at least team up. Jason's mental frick ups interacting with Cass for an entire run would be pretty entertaining.

                While i think jason's a bit of a one trick pony, the fact that we didnt get a cass vs jason matchup when that would have been its most dramatically intresting was a massive waste.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cool design.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                on the thumbnail it looks like she's wearing big black diapers

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's my fetish too, but there's a time and a place anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cass wants it and it'd be a good part of her arc
                She can't be Batman, but she can be Batwoman.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steph’s teen mom milkers

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hot take: Good idea, bad execution.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean we can agree that the execution was shit.

      Bad-guy Cass? Honestly I don't like it, but I could see it maybe? Eleoquent Cass? She better be shit at fighting now because of how she works.

      The reasons she's pissed at everyone are also trash. If Cass is a bad guy it has to be because she thinks she's helping someone by doing it. This weird revenge plot is asanine. She spent years learning to start forgiving her dad over literally torturing her and massively fricking her up but she joins the fricking league because she felt abandoned? Frick that, that's the most moronic shit I've ever heard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not even a bad guy, just the part about taking over a cell of the League of Assassins and becoming a more brutal and less law-abiding vigilante. She did express frustration over being limited by both the legal system and Bruce multiple times in her solo book. It's not completely insane that she'd go rogue.

        Also, the Annalea thing is especsially silly since the ending arc of her book introduced other assassin kids. Cass didn't really give much of a damn that she had "siblings".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No don't say that, otherwise that one namegay will come back to whine about how Cass is the good girl who could never understand not sucking Bruce's dick again.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think you're confused. Namegay ships her with superboy.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He does but if you try to point out you could ship her with anyone else he spazzes. Last time I saw him do it it was over someone arguing that Cass is a lot more chill with people diverging from Bruce's methods than he pretends as an argument to ship her with somebody else.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did he? I don't rememeber him spazzing over steph and cass. Closest to what you're saying is him saying she wouldn't get along with Jason normally which is a take.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Boco knows if he seriously tried to fight Steph/Cass shippers he'd probably be doxxed inside of an hour.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He seems chill with the jvp cass Chads too. Idk he's autistic but his worst thing is paying too much for his ship.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >jvp cass Chads
                who?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Making a bit of a joke, people here started shipping her with azrael.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Would you be opposed to her breaking from the family and leading a league of assasin type thing?

          the problem is the whole "of ASSASINS" thing. Cass does not kill. She can be civil with killers as long as it's not killing in pure malice(she could see the good in Coldcast) and want to redeem themselves, she wouldn't ever lead a group that kills with their methods. I can see Cass leading a group of ninjas that are saboteurs for criminals and try to save people, but that's VERY hard to truly accept because Cass is a bit of a control freak. Too many variables in working with others, and she's not a natural leader anyway. Cass being a leader can be a good angles(I was all for it with outsiders), but her going from where she was at the end of her book to leading just doesn't line up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tbh shit like this is probably why you have a vocal minority of Jasongays that want them to at least team up. Jason's mental frick ups interacting with Cass for an entire run would be pretty entertaining.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I feel like they start punching each other if left alone for ten minutes. Cass dunks on Jason hard then Jason abushes her with some bullshit later because he absolutely cannot stand getting trounced. They are both salty as frick but lock in when it's time to save someone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tbh I'm not sure because Jason's major issue is that Brucei s psychologically incapable of killing, doesn't see that as a problem, but has half-doubled back on it usually for the sake of stopping someone else from killing his villains and goes out of his way to keep them alive even when they dig their own graves at times and that fricks with him, and he usually dislikes the others for sticking to it because, at least as far as I can tell, they do it because Bruce taught them that rather than it being some kind of choice they make themselves.

                Cass actively does make that choice though for the sake of being her own person, Bruce just supports and enables that. He might respect that more, he might not. It's not like they almost ever interact to tell us for sure. I think I've only seen them in the same book all of twice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                T-o-C-A

                Being fair cass went furhter than bruce, bruce is ok with judicial killings like death row, cass tried to stop that. Jason is okay with killing but he's died, cass is agaisnt killing due to having experienced that trough the vitcim with her skills. It makes them a good vs thing, especially as you have hand to hand vs more range too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      T-o-C-A

      Out of all the bats to "go bad" cass is the worst option. She's the biggest moral purist of them. I can see her maybe trying to redeem other people or trying to further stop death, but that's now what htey did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would you be opposed to her breaking from the family and leading a league of assasin type thing?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but that works out if they're like a ragtag group of orphans or something. Cass does not have the capacity to be a militiristic leader. She does not machinate.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She's also very autistic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I don't hate the idea, it's actually a pretty good one, just the execution.
      And if we can have million and one supposedly "smart" "what if Superman but evil", which kinda misses the point of Superman, why can't we have "what if Cass but evil"? She's got the arrogance for it at least.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Babs obviously. I like Cass as the 'new' Batgirl when Babs becomes Oracle.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Btas Barbara

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not so hot take: Babs is and always will be better as Oracle, and it's more than a little frustrating that DC is desperately trying to have it both ways these days.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is correct, Oracle made her interesting. Magically fixing her legs for no good reason after two decades was dumb as hell

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        B-but iconic tho! Never mind that an entire generation and change knows her much better as Oracle. This is basically the same shit as Wally West getting fricked over, only it's the same person.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Babs for me. Probably my favorite comic character.

          >an entire generation and change knows her much better as Oracle
          This feels like a bit of an exaggeration, that same generation likely grew up with plenty of Babsgirl content. That’s not even mentioning how the Arkham series kept Babs as the sole Batgirl or how Arkham Knight dedicated an entire DLC campaign to Babs as Batgirl.

    • 3 weeks ago
      El Barto

      i blame horizontal marketing + babs not being oracle in the dcau, fot better or worse

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Also they fricked up the replacement. No Warner exec in the current era will put a mute Asian girl in a gimp suit and call her Batgirl because it's a coomer fetish begging for cancellation. But skipping over her for Steph is also a bad look, because then it seems like they're racist. So it's easier to keep cycling back to Babs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          El Barto

          …about that: https://youtu.be/haMbcZvsptk?si=FfwD65_J3JNjDKzT

          ?si=LEdwyLl83bC4qxHm

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She looks like she has butt implants.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    El Barto

    hot take: it was probably best for cass and steph to not be in the new 52 run considering how hard the joker goes in his return arc

    dude really goes out of his way to make batman suffer in that one (as if he hasn’t done that for, ohhh 30 or so years, not including adaptations)

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The next movie better have her in high heels. Just saying.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will she ever become a Batwoman?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she really should, there's enough lesbians that Kate's not needed anymore.

      • 3 weeks ago
        T-o-C-A

        Honestly if we're going with 2 robins, 2 batmen and so..we should have 2 batwomen and 2 batgirls.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Batwoman must be a lesbian to rule out Bette.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I still want Bette to return as a mysterious Batgirl Omega for an arc. And maybe get her back in her classic colors for the last issue or so as a tribute before becoming Flamebird once more.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NOBODY CARES ABOUT BETTE KANE

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Bat team Black and Bat Team Red is what I'm saying. (or yellow and red, or blue and black)

          • 3 weeks ago
            T-o-C-A

            WIP for the stephfrens!

            Yeah, if HAVE to have shared names individual differentiators would be neat.

            don't you dare compare Bruce to Clark. Clark is pretty much always there for emotional support and advise. Even sent Conner to the Kents for more moral support. Meanwhile Bruce just throws autism at Damian when what he needs is to play catch or work on cars together or something

            Man kelley wrote a good kon.

            >Cass wants it and it'd be a good part of her arc
            She can't be Batman, but she can be Batwoman.

            I mean they've done it for a helena, but she should be the bat. Cause she isn't about the man she's about the bat as a symbol itself.

            Roberta was the proto-bette.

            I was talking about her the other day lol.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Very cute Steph studies! 😀

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >red robin steph
              She makes the look work

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yum

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let's be honest. Thanks to Tynion's dumb editorial decision of lumping Babs, Cass and Steph together, DC's not going to untangle this Batgirls clusterfrick in a million years, which means that none of the girls are getting a book in the near future.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably more likely they'll be split after the underperformance of their book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But DC is still married to this "three Batgirls" idea that doesn't do them any favours and is a marketing nightmare, because now you have to constantly inform the reader what Batgirl you meant.
        Also, checked.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They already paired it down to two, likely in preparation for the movies to attempt(and don't think it's a sure thing, if so there's be twice the amount of DC movies there are lol, doesn't matter how much Gunn talks about Cass, when the trailer is out then we know) a Babs to Cass transition. Steph's tacitly being called Spoiler more and more while I don't think Orphan's been uttered in 2 years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She's only been called spoiler in one concept art.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's less a tynion thing and more meant to make fans of all3 happy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We'd be happier if they would get a regular cheesecake artist.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe but dc wouldn't do that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's still quite possible they'll pick one for movie synergy down the line. Which means either Babs or Cass, and it's likely Cass since Hollywood hates redheads.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Babs can still be Oracle, Steph is the one that they can safely ignore.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as a die hard Steph fan, this makes me so sad because you're right. You shouldn't be, but you are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sadge

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As a Babs fan, we should have gotten her movie and have had sequels with Cass and Steph.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can get on board with that conceptually, but I think the raceswap casting indicates they were never gonna give us 1) real Babs, and 2) sequels that we all deserve with Babs becoming a leader and mentor - still a lead, but also bringing up Cass and Steph to also be leads.

              Batgirls gays and Maps gays have developed a weird symbiotic relationship. The former gives the latter a place to stay since they can’t stand on their own, while the latter ensures that the thread is bumped and sometimes refreshed the conversation topics.

              when you say Maps, do you mean Mizoguchi or the terrible acronym?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't mind Babs be Oracle even. Just throw us a few Batgirl flashbacks as a bone, and she can essentially be the Nick Fury for the new DC movieverse.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have a HUGE love for Babs as Oracle (proof - I walked home from the comic store today with the final volume of Simone's run of Birds of Prey in my hot little hands), but I think at this point DC and the fans should embrace all three as Batgirls - Babs as the mentor and trailblazer, Cass as the broken bird with spectacular skill, and Steph as the plucky outsider who never gives up - and that will get people the most success and pleasure.

                >do you mean Mizoguchi or the terrible acronym?
                When it comes to Mizoguchi it's both

                blech. Maps is for affection, not for lewds.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They havent yet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >do you mean Mizoguchi or the terrible acronym?
                When it comes to Mizoguchi it's both

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mizoguchi

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >which means that none of the girls are getting a book in the near future.
      Why would they? They don't sell.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barbara. She was the first Batgirl for me due to the Adam West show.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too armored

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You raise a valid point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      chin too big

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sue me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know why her hair is blonde though.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do these threads always end up being full of pedo shit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it became a Maps refugee camp.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Batgirls gays and Maps gays have developed a weird symbiotic relationship. The former gives the latter a place to stay since they can’t stand on their own, while the latter ensures that the thread is bumped and sometimes refreshed the conversation topics.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"So you just let your adoptive daughter walk around the mansion naked?"
      >"Yes."
      >"Any particular reason why?"
      >*sigh*
      >"I've got enough scars and bruises from trying to get her to stop already. As far as I'm concerned, she can be naked as much as she damn well pleases."

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It sure as hell isn't Steph, I'll tell you that much.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She's becoming a babysitter.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Steph.
    Cass is its own thing, and Babs was only ever good as oracle, on a wheelchair (she was great as Oracle)

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Babs and Cass get the birds while Steph gets the brats

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really my thing but glad for Steph content.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Steph going full /ss/

      damn

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ew damian.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, you can just edit him out if you really want.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ya seethe?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Don't like him. All robingays are annoying but he's got the most, them being pedos helps . He's also just really annoying.

          Everything is wrong with Damian.

          The idea fricks ras and Talia in a way they've not been able to recover from.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The idea fricks ras and Talia in a way they've not been able to recover from.
            How so?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Talia being a rapist for one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not rape if Bruce is into it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will never forgive Grant Morrison for this. Now I have to deal with boring Batcat shit forever

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As if Batcat wasn't Bruce's default ship anyway, Talia was never going to be Bruce's main love interest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If I ever get a position of power at DC I will destroy batcat FOREVER

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Settle down, Josh.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                O'Neil thought Bruce's OTP was Talia, but Bruce should be celibate. 😀 Cat's paw?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but Bruce should be celibate
                Frick no.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                a Batman who fricks is too dangerous

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright, then they're all dangerous. Every Batman fricks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just look up O'Neil's Batbible - Scott Petersen, his former assistant editor, posted it a few years ago. It's right there in black and white.

                Hi, DC Editorial/Megan Fitzmartin! Good to know you're focused on making good stories instead of petty feuds with a man who hasn't worked for you for nearly 20 years.

                Perhaps I'm too used to tumblr and twitter saying it in full seriousness and hate.

                Cass and Steph had mostly successful comic runs back when superhero comics still were relevant. Babs was retconned during the New 52 era in which American comics died a final death.

                I'm the Steph fan here, but I have to admit that Babs's n52 run sold more than any of the other runs. I don't think it's because it was good, but it hit a lot more eyeballs.

                That being said, I think if Steph and Cass's runs hit the same number of eyeballs, they would be much more popular.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bruce should knock up Babs. And she should marry Jason. Who is the father of Steph's new baby.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oneil never said that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Blame Morrison. The original story had the whole thing be consensual. In fact, they were married. Morrison just forgot the details and made shit up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ras can't want an heir anymore cause damian exists. Trying yo do that still is stupid. Talia goes from in love starcrossed with Bruce to a rapist who deceived him.

              Mostly his annoying pedo fanbase and his horrible shounenshit-tier tumblr fanfic origin story...his c**tish personality isn't doing him any favors either. I'm not opposed at all to Bruce having kids of his own but it was stupid to make his only biological child a rape baby by one of his least popular love interests. I will however give Bruce credit for actually attempting be a father to the little shit, unlike a certain other superhero who has a son under somewhat similar circumstances (looking at you Clark Kent).

              Bruce didn't start trying untill the new 52, prior he let dick do it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, he was kinda dead for a while.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The idea fricks ras and Talia in a way they've not been able to recover from.
            DC does that shit themselves. They keep on forgetting that they're half-Chinese and draw them dark as frick for legit racist reasons.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing wrong with Damian.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everything is wrong with Damian.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's your damage with him?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Mostly his annoying pedo fanbase and his horrible shounenshit-tier tumblr fanfic origin story...his c**tish personality isn't doing him any favors either. I'm not opposed at all to Bruce having kids of his own but it was stupid to make his only biological child a rape baby by one of his least popular love interests. I will however give Bruce credit for actually attempting be a father to the little shit, unlike a certain other superhero who has a son under somewhat similar circumstances (looking at you Clark Kent).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >his c**tish personality isn't doing him any favors either
                He was raised by assassins and never had a normal childhood whatsoever. How'd you think he'd act?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it was stupid to make his only biological child a rape baby by one of his least popular love interests.
                Again, blame Morrison. Son of the Demon had the whole thing be consensual since Bruce and Talia were married. Then Talia lied that she had a miscarriage and annulled the marriage. In truth, she gave the baby away to some random couple. The Death in the Family animated movie went with the fake miscarriage idea for Damian.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                don't you dare compare Bruce to Clark. Clark is pretty much always there for emotional support and advise. Even sent Conner to the Kents for more moral support. Meanwhile Bruce just throws autism at Damian when what he needs is to play catch or work on cars together or something

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would clark give him tomboy fricking tips?

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love Cass.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    StephCass shouldn't be a thing for Chuck Dixon's sake

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stephcass shouldn't be a thing for good taste 's sake

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I want every character Chuck Dixon touched to turn gay just to watch him sperg out

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off, freak.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Least spiteful groomer

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Choose a better writer to white knight than chuckie boy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Choose a better use for your time than seething over the dang dirty breeders.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hi, DC Editorial/Megan Fitzmartin! Good to know you're focused on making good stories instead of petty feuds with a man who hasn't worked for you for nearly 20 years.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          guys it was a joke, i didn't realize you'd be the ones to sperg out over it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Poe's law

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            whoops, replied to the wrong post. apologies - I see too many twitter and tumblr people saying it sincerely and hatefully, so it was hard to see the "joke".

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bette

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My first thought is Yvonne Craig in purple.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt anyone would remember Babs as Batgirl except as trivia if it wasn't for BTAS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yum.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Barbara is THE Batgirl in my mind, but she's also my least favorite.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Barbara is THE Batgirl in my mind, but she's also my least favorite.
      Why and why?

      >captcha: KKKN

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Black Batgirl from the recent movie that was never released.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one with the ass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Cass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Cass

      Obligatory.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damn
        No wonder she's a nudist
        Girl's gotta be proud of that rear

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Has she watched other batfam members?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She watches them all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All have nice butts.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have any Kal(Kara?)Huset art?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The redesigns are so ugly.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      underrated cass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who is she licking tonight

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only her unspeakable desires for Batman.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Speak some.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            she wants to get bred by Bruce ofc.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Steph, Harper, and Duke

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wish there was more porn of ak oracle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The one with a futa Harley was hot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd rather she introduce her to her bozos..

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That would be hotter.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really wish we had some pages of open jacket Babs. With her naked underneath.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That outfit with big breasts that spill out would save it.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wiff

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm rather surprised they gave Killer Moth this one.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wonder if they'll ever reference the fact that he knows their secret identities.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This one threw me for a but until I heard how her name is pronounced.

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