>Be Roland Emmerich
>Casually create a Sci-Fi epic that spawns a huge fanbase. Multiple TV show spinoffs are created, literally dozens of books are written, video games, comics, etc. you name it.
How did Roland Emmerich succeed whereas James Cameron tried so hard and failed with his blue monkey movie?
It was the TV show that really did it.
This.
Emmerich and Hollywood actually tried to torpedo the franchise by making sequels (part 2 and 3) that would ignore the events of the show.
Why would he do that? Surely he gets royalties from all the spin-offs so would want it to succeed?
I never heard of any royalties from the shows. I assume he'd at least acknowledge SG-1 if that was the case. Licensing is a weird thing, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get anything or got left with a one-time payment, just like Sapkowski who sold the Witcher rights to CD Projekt for some small potatoes.
ahhh yeah it could be a licensing deal, I was thinking more about Star Trek, there was an episode where Wesley was in the academy and helped cover up an accident, and the guy who played Tom Paris was in that episode too, originally they were going to have him be the same character in Voyager but they decided not to because it would mean paying the writer of that episode royalties for each appearance of his character, but if Emmerich was short-sighted and licensed the whole thing away he might not get paid anything beyond that.
It could be a case of "25% different", which also applies to Trek (supposedly). Notice how the main character in SH-1 is called O'Neill, not O'Neil. Not sure if that makes difference, but who fricking knows how israeli accounting works.
Imagine coming up with this great story for a movie trilogy, making the first installment to great acclaim, and then being told that you can never make the second or third because they don't fit with the events of some shitty knockoff TV show that has as little to do with the source material as the writers could possibly manage.
Like George Lucas being told that he has to rewrite the script for RotJ because Han and Leia are married now and she's currently pregnant with twins because some shitty author (who's name is conspicuously similar to that of the super duper badass bad guy in his book) decided that's what happens.
>Like George Lucas being told that he has to rewrite the script for RotJ because Han and Leia are married now and she's currently pregnant with twins because some shitty author (who's name is conspicuously similar to that of the super duper badass bad guy in his book) decided that's what happens.
Is this more or less what happened with Disney Star Wars and JJ just said Frick it?
With the EU i mean
You mean as in "is that why they decided to decanonize all EU works before making TFA?" Obviously, yes. There were already established storylines for all of the original trilogy characters and their children. The two options were "nuke it all and start fresh," or "pick an EU book series and make a movie out of it." In retrospect, the second option probably would have been the better way to go.
any leaks of script?
Independence Day was originally meant to be a direct sequel to Stargate, hence why Ra is shown to be a Grey in the nuke scene. Imagine the mega kino of dozens of pyramid ships coming from a giant mothership and hundreds of animal headed dudes wrecking shit on the ground. Hell you could still do a tv series set afterwards. All the attacks on Earth in SG-1 were lame as shit, no deaths and nobody even notices anything, really kills the tension.
Te TV show was good, but ruined the mystic and unknow feel of the movie
>Ancient forgotten super alien civilization that died for unknow reasons
>Last survivor is a powerhungry mass slaver, but never revealed anything about his race, his planet, or how and why he was apparently the last survivor
Too many sagas have the obsession to overxplain and ruin the mystery. The original movie kept tthat.
I liked the show but agree with this.
I really consider the movie and the show two separate things
eh
>It was the TV show that really did it.
This. Movie was great but Richard Dean Anderson, Michael Shanks and the rest of the SG-1 cast really made the show.
>Movie was great
Ehh.. I watched it again recently and I feel it's rather underwhelming. Still better than the capeshit and other shit they feed us today, but the premise is way better than the movie itself.
>the premise is way better than the movie itself.
A classic Roland Emmerich movie.
>Richard Dean Anderson
He's why SG-1 was so successful. He refused to take the role if the show was going to take itself too seriously. They agreed to his demand.
True, but the TV was military propaganda and every planet looked like the studio's backyard or the nearby quarry.
Stargate is real lost history projected to him by telepathy, it was successful because they wanted it to be
Cameron rewrote pocahontas in space
>Stargate is real lost history
Surely you aren't suggesting some worm like parasite has infiltrated the human species and is guiding us towards destruction for personal profit?
>Surely you aren't suggesting
Stargate is soft disclosure. Same with the X-Files.
>some worm like parasite
Just call them the israelites, anon.
You've got it precisely backwards. 'Jew' is the euphemism, worm is the physical reality.
Correct. Similar to Lovecraft, and R.E Howard, Emmerich was subconsciously accessing antediluvian truths in his dreams.
I mean, all art comes from the Muse. Ever heard of the Hypercrisis? It goes deeper than you could ever imagine.
>Hypercrisis
QRD?
Philip K Dick literally believed he was receiving stories from other realities.
based and truth pilled
GOOLD?
JAFFA, KREE!
baced
Its literally ripped of from Erich Däniken and his aliens in egypts shizo ramblings.
The thing i always wanted is the broken Kurt Cobain Kurt Russel he is in the first scene of the movie to be his entire thing. Like a less chaotic neutral Snake Plissken.
Did any of that shit besides the TV show make any money
Probably? Yes? There are like 30 books and a Plethora of videogames and cardgames. I don't suppose you continue something that isn't making a profit. Also, it's not all about the money. The fact that it inspired so much creativity in so many people is what really matters.
>a Plethora of videogames
Anon... SG is a cursed franchise where almost all vidya gets either thrown into development hell or cancelled.
Money isn't everything.
>SG is a cursed franchise where almost all vidya gets either thrown into development hell or cancelled.
Stargate has always needed to be based on the Half-Life engine like Counter-Strike. it was a missed opportunity.
that could've been great CS style but SG team vs jaffa
not really, ghool weapons suck
stargate has never had a video game
What went wrong?
Nothing. Sneks are cooler than birbs.
???
I laughed
>What went wrong?
Canada. They needed to be warm during long shoots.
I like both designs. The birb is cooler though because it actually moved around.
movie had it opening with CGI, its mechanical in the TV show and looks bulkier.
Budget.
>nose drips
small helmet > big helmet
movie had much better design than tv show, it was budget reason wasnt it
also tv series was so cheap it made for comfy.
There's nothing to expand into in avatar
>blue monkey people
>humans who want their resources
what are you going to do with that premise beyond the basic colonialism story?
I think in the long run the "saga" is going to be more about man learning to balance technology and industry with nature. Just some real softball "please recycle" boomer environmental sentimentality.
One of the movies will definitely have a reverse avatar goes to earth situation, and the final shot of the final film will be something like a clean green city on earth built around an imported Navii world tree, or whatever they call it, filled with human navii hybrids or something.
Not any dumber than Marvel
People overestimate how much thematic depth you need for prolefeed. Avatar's problem is that they never got some Robert Downey Jr. movie star. If the guy that played the MC in the original avatar had ever gotten blockbuster work again the movie wouldn't have seemed to have faded as hard.
J. Cameron labors under the delusion that he can do the franchise thing and be as dumb as marvel plot-wise while also making his own brand of film that's nothing like the capeshit standard. Avatar was a prisoner of its own spectacle, characters came and went in the background of incredible events. They weren't larger-than-life except for le duke nukem guy. The new film will need to give main characters more agency.
Ugh, frick that, I'm gonna go watch Fern Gully again instead
It's in the title: Avatar. Tell a different story about a different world with different aliens.
Can anyone tell me why this series is liked? It's just poorly written shlock.
It was on for a very long time, so a lot of people will have some memory of watching as a kid or teen. And it is from a time where there wasn't exactly a whole lot of choice.
Makes sense. Even as a kid it looked too cheap for me.
It probably really happened is why it's so popular.
the day Baal's actor ded Baals real ancient temple was struck by a massive bolt of lightning, just a coincidence
what else could it be
The characters are likeable and have great
chemistry. Sometimes that is all it takes.
Same reason people love Yu Gi Oh. Nostalgia.
it's kino
also kino
>jackson tries to draw the eye of ra in the sand
>yusuf wipes it away and calls girls for the soldiers
Did Yusuf know what they were doing, or did he think he was asking for women by drawing a vegana?
I remember Second Life had a neat Stargate network to explore the world.
Then I random dialed into a giant furry porn museum and I never played second life again.
The actress who played Ra was cute
>actress
falling for the bait
>I was merely pretending to be of simple mind
I do that everytime someone posts a pic of Ra.
He did that to himself because he said he had trouble finding men that wanted to date him because he was too feminine.
He was born too soon. If he looked like this now he would have all kinds of dudes fighting for him
>Jaye Davidson despised the costumes he wore so much, on the last day of shooting his scenes, after hearing the final "cut", he stripped naked on the set without going to his trailer.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It is known for a surprise plot twist: a love scene in which Dil undresses and main character Fergus (played by Stephen Rea) discovers that Dil is transgender. The scene required full-frontal nudity.[7] Rea later said,
>“If Jaye hadn’t been a completely convincing woman, my character would have looked stupid.”
When the film was released, Miramax requested that reviewers keep Davidson's gender a secret
I just realized this was the gay femboy from Alexander of Macedon
Nah that was a different dude. Ra was the troony in the Crying Game.
The high concept behind Stargate is the possibilities of traveling to other worlds with different stories that could be had. Avatar feels more interested in that one world and the Navi rather than the Avatar technology.
Do you get it??
I love that movie it's perfect 90s hollywood sci-fi feel
the movie wasn't really a box office hit though
also the premise back then was pretty cool because without the internet filling stupid peoples heads the only people that read chariots of the gods were people that actually read stuff
nobody took it super serious but it was fun and making a script out of that premise is just great
especially because star gate is so low-key in terms of its world building it's like a perfect storm like The Mummy
Emmerich and his butt buddy whos name I can never remember are really good at writing an interesting opening
almost all of his movies have really good openings he knows how to capture the attention of a broad audience
Stargate is something like
>20mins solid setup with james spader being a cute nerd
>20mins adventure time with the group
>25mins of conflict within the group
>25mins of downfall because adversary power
>20mins finale
I think it's a good structured script and the backdrop is amazing
having the gestalt of the society and backdrop be reminiscent of our pop culture understanding of ancient egypt was great
cont
It is curious how movies today are so epic they make 80s and 90s blockbusters look quaint but those older movies had tried-and-true scriptwriting and structure that they are more memorable.
with Stargate I don't think it looks quaint
the sets are really good
and even the sound design oh lord the loud as frick mp5 gun shots always make my eyes wider
I personally never watched the show apart from single episodes when I was a teen but I never like when a cool character is suddenly portrayed by a less cool actor
no shots against Deen Anderson he's fine but I think killing of O'Neil in the movie and having Anderson play a different Character in the show would've been better but I guess they didn't really plan out to have a show afterwards (mabye they did idk)
Anyways the setting is just great
they land in an ancient egyptian style structure that is half buried and not taken care of half swallowed and spit out by the desert for god knows how many times
they find a society that is clearly not able to recreate those stone structures they are more reminiscent of north african desert tribes
so you get that there is a similar thing going on in terms of the digression of technology on this planet as it did on earth
you know somethings coming
when "he" shows up its just this one guy in a giant space ship with powers beyond human comprehension
I think the expo dump by Jackson in that one ancient tomb or whatever was a bit unnecessary or at least a bit too intricate but it's alright no major grudge there
it still leaves so much for imagination
how many planets did he travel to
was he really the last one of his race
what other worlds are connected to the gate etc
did he leave someone in charge of his "home" base etc it's just great
I think in hindsight the show would've just destroyed the wonder of the unknown to me
Whats some good stargate vidya?
I don't think there's any anon
watch the movie instead
HOW the frick did they dial home at the END of STARGATE
Daniel's used his arranged marriage wife to somewhat comprehend the language they speak better and make sense of the ancient symbols that somewhat have the same roots as the ones on earth seem to have
when he draw the "Ra" symbol in the sand she destroyed it and he asks why and she basically tells him they are not allowed to write
she takes him to a tomb where it conveniently depicts the revolution of the common people against their gods
and somewhere in that tomb or ruin there's a stela where she saw the eye of Ra symbol he asked her about
that stela has the dial home number
This movie aged like shit compared to other 90s sci-fi blockbusters
Was it kino, Cinemaphile?
Between this guy, Frieza, and Gwyndolin from Dark Souls I think I'm realizing that maybe trannies make the perfect villains... I wonder why that is... something innate makes them fricking evil it seems.
He's not a troony, he's just uncomfortably pretty.
>all those horny boomer in the comments
disgusting
Ra works well because he's just a wizard with uncanny power
look how the people live in their primal ways and then he strawls along beams up the most muscular warrior guy and tells him bro here's your fancy armor and weaponry you'll be my finest soldier and that's it
he provides luxury to a chosen few that enforce his will
it was. stargate deserves more budget than low cost like
said.
Cameron has only been interested in technology behind movies since Titanic.
Cameron has always been into the tech more than the films
He's a special effects designer who backed into directing, probably because that gave him more control to install the tech he was most interested in
He accidentally became huge because the scripts that were selected solely to be vehicles for his technical experimentation struck a chord with people
Most of his movies suck though, they are really cool tech, a decent basic premise, and genuinely bad characters and story
What the frick did you say about my movies
It’s a shill thread. Hollywood is afraid of the return of JC so they smear him as much as they can.
>He's a special effects designer who backed into directing
moron
Are you unaware that Cameron broke into film doing prop and production design and special effects on B movies?
picrel is a Cameron design from the 70's
He broke into film by directing a short film. He then did some model design, special effects direction, and then wrote and directed one of the most successful sci-fu franchises of all time, certainly more successful than Stargate.
>James Cameron tried so hard and failed with his blue monkey movie
Everybody is talking Stargate so I'll address Avatar.
Avatar was an absolute Paint-By-Numbers production. Cameron had his formula for movie making and this was Cameron at his most formulaic. Even the Macguffin everyone was after was the lazily named "unobtanium". There was nothing new or interesting about the story, or even the film outside of its candy coated visuals. The 3D was great, but the story was not compelling. The merchandising failed (same as the Stargate movie toys bombed HARD!), kids did not want to recreate blue monkeys being superior to advanced tech humans because of their hippie leanings. It was a theater experience due to the 3d, like going to Disneyland to see Captain EO, but there was literally nothing captivating about the story at all. Yes, he ripped off Fern Gully, but not everybody has seen Fern Gully. He was just too damned formulaic.
This is why I can't understand at all why James is so set on it as his magnum opus. Its boring. There isn't any magic to it. Why this?
The man's not a sophisticated hollywood israelite insider. He seems insecure about it, like he has to prove his worth by becoming the next Spielberg/Lucas. Strenuously avoiding references and tropes from those guys is a reference in itself. These are the anti-star wars films, and it comes across as one man's personal quest to be seen as a great artist.
tragic, I've always liked him more than both of those two before Avatar
Because he sold the Terminator franchise to have it be made in the first place. It was all his brain-child, but it never belonged to him.
>It was all his brain-child, but it never belonged to him.
To add to that, Terminator wasn't even original because it ripped off a previous story.
unobtainium is a hypothetical
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
It does seem lazy if you didn't know
moron
Elaborate.
that page just says it's a sci-fi storytelling trope. Naming the villain "big bad" isn't lazy?
>hurr i didn't even read it!
Would appear that you are the moron
That is what the page says, and that it's a joke.
>Since the late 1950s,[a][1] aerospace engineers have used the term "unobtainium" when referring to unusual or costly materials, or when theoretically considering a material perfect for their needs in all respects, except that it does not exist. By the 1990s, the term was in wide use, even in formal engineering papers such as "Towards unobtainium [new composite materials for space applications]."[2][3]
>during the development of the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, Lockheed engineers at the "Skunk Works" under Clarence "Kelly" Johnson used 'unobtainium' as a dysphemism for titanium. Titanium allowed a higher strength-to-weight ratio at the high temperatures the Blackbird would reach, but its availability was restricted because the Soviet Union controlled its supply.[b]
> especially to describe the commercially useful rare earth elements (particularly terbium, erbium, dysprosium, yttrium, and neodymium). These are essential to the performance of consumer electronics and green technology, but the projected demand for them so outstrips their current supply that they are called "unobtainiums" within the ore industry[5] and by commentators on the US Congressional hearings into the supply security of rare-earths.[6][7]
Last time I reply to you, ADHD riddled moron incapable of extrapolating.
You're an idiot. They're clearly using it in a joking manner, not like the film where the metal has no other name. You got rused by official wikipedia style.
Did Stargate become the most successful movie of all time, which 14 years later still has the best VFX of all time?
>muh cgi
>muh boxoffice
Wrong thread, capeshitter?
>How did Roland Emmerich succeed whereas James Cameron tried so hard and failed with his blue monkey movie?
Learn to read kid.
No one actually seems to care about Avatar though.
Do you speak for everyone on earth?
Maybe.
James Cameron might be in this thread fricking kek
We're just shitposting you old goofball
t. moron
a femboy before they existed
Look up "Sporus"
Any other good soft disclosure kinos?
If there's a reboot, more fertility goddesses please
>Alien who is just horny as frick all the time and wants to "extract" your DNA samples (your cummies)
Why isn't this trope in more kinos
So cute.
I watched this movie for the first time a few months ago, and what captivated me most was Ra. I had never heard of that actor before, and his story is pretty sad. He had amazing presence, he should have been a star.
qrd?
He got nominated for an Oscar for the Crying Game which was literally his first movie, then was Stargate, a big budget blockbuster directed by Emmerich and his career looked absolutely set.
Apparently he really really hated the fame and attention so dropped out. He also had severe mental issues from being a black homosexual when it was pretty rare back then so lifted and got swole. He's basically the embodiment of Cinemaphile.
> Reluctant to continue acting after his debut in The Crying Game, Davidson was required to take the role after his request for $1 million in pay was accepted
$1 million in 94? insane
> androgynous look alienated him within the gay community; he stated that gay men "love very masculine men. And I'm not a very masculine person. I'm reasonably thin. I have long hair, which isn't very popular with gay men."
He was also too masculine to be a twink so he was doubly fricked. Insane to think if he had hit the stage 25 years later he would be king of the trannies and literally worshipped like Ra by the media.
like in a body? because face doesnt look like that
He would have been a big star regardless. He was the best thing about Stargate.
that movie had insane music and great props especially the masks, sg1 is good but its pretty much comedic parody of the movie
It always felt strange that such a terrible hack like Emmerich and Devlin, assuming he was involved too, inspired someone with an actual talent to make it into a franchise.
Is everyone on Cinemaphile 30+?
Don't you watch movies made before you were born?
I'm 35, but even so I've watched plenty of films that were made before I was even born.
My favorite movie (Goodfellas) was made before I was born.
I never understood the success of this film. It was dogshit like all his films.
It was propped up far beyond it's use-by date because of the military propaganda around which Stargate was written. Back in the 90s the US was knee deep in the middle east liberating oil. It was a product of it's time. Needless to say, it was shit then, and at this point has aged so badly it's mostly unwatchable to people who weren't fans to begin with. Arguably among the most cringe shows of the 90s.
Maybe you just have shit taste, anon
>transgender is a villain
>It's apparently absolutely fricking kino
When is Hollywood going to learn the proper use of transgenders?
Transgender villain in Mr robot also
Thats all I can think of right now
oh yeah, White Rose. That was more of a drag queen though, right? Like a transvestite?
Ace Ventura?
Cameron lost it after Terminator 2. He made 3 amazing movies. That somehow gave him ego boost that he can't do anything wrong. It is 30 years. He should start to see. But what i realy don't understand is that there are Avatar fans.
Stargate should have another movie with Russel before show. It just have unique atmosphere.
Stargate had so many possibilities to create a massive lore which is what the TV show did. Avatar is nothing but visuals and nothing else
Just take it
Jaffer, KREE!
>has kinoest soundtrack
Avatar has one of the most forgettable soundtracks, despite being made by James Horner
I saw Stargate in the royal theater tuschinski in amsterdam when i was 11 years old.
Pic related.
The whole aesthetic of the theater and movie combined blew my mind back then.
>mfw too intelligent to have sex