People shit on the Cars franchise, but honestly? It's the third best trilogy after Toy Story (I refuse to acknowledge 4) and Monsters Inc. (MU is underrated). Finding Dory and The Incredibles 2 are lackluster sequels that earned money solely off of nostalgia. Cars 2 was a departure but more entertaining to me than Incredibles 2 and Cars 3 is better than both of those sequels combined.
And I agree, Ratatouille is Pixar's best. >B-But Toy Story!
Toy Story 1 and 2 can be argued to be on the same level or better, but 3 and 4 are not as good as Ratatouille so we can't say the entire franchise is better than Ratatouille. >B-But Up, Wall-E and Finding Nemo?
Finding Nemo and Wall-E are good movies and can be both placed in second place. Up is also great (not just the first 10 minutes, I hate frickers who spam this shit opinion. The rest of the movie is what makes those 10 minutes so great.) but not as good as Ratatouille. >B-But Incredibles!!
People on Cinemaphile right now only like Incredibles because it reminds them of capeshit, but the superhero 1950s/60s aesthetic is only dressing to show the better shit like the interfamilial drama and mid-life crisis of Bob Parr AKA Mr. Incredible. It isn't mindless capeshit like modern DC or Marvel movies. It can also be argued to be on the level of Ratatouille, but something about Ratatouille speaks to me. I relate more to Remy than Bob. Maybe it's because I'm not middled-aged and with kids and past my prime yet.
Also, to add to this ranking >Near Perfect/Perfect
Ratatouille
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc. >Great
Wall-E
Up
Toy Story 3
Soul >Good
Luca
Turning Red
Cars
Cars 2
Cars 3
A Bug's Life
Monsters University >Fine
Finding Dory
Onward
Inside Out
A Good Dinosaur (in the sense that it is mediocre, which I consider fine) >Lackluster
Brave (it's sad because I feel this one had great potential to reach good or great levels imo)
Lightyear (honestly should be in its own section called bad, but I'll give it a break since I had a sneaking suspicion since the trailer came out that this was a mandate from Disney to use the Toy Story franchise more, so Pixar purposely made this movie that has no connection to the original franchise besides artificial things)
Inside Out was the beginning of where I felt Pixar was forcefully emotionally manipulating their audience. Riley as a character is bland. She's a blank slate for kids to project onto, but this makes me not even care for the main conflict of Joy and Sadness getting back her core memories. I'm supposed to care about this boring girl's core life memories and cry when her imaginary friend dies? For what? Nothing about her made me care? Her conflict isn't even anything that serious. Her parents moved so her father can work at a better paying job. Boo hoo? As a kid, I would have been happy to leave so my father can make more money and we can be more financially stable. Riley is 12, not 7, so I can't emphasize with someone that old acting like a literal infant. Sorry not sorry where Inside Out is. A fine movie is not a bad movie.
Also, I completely understand Joy's frustrations with Sadness. She acts like a complete moron for for the entire movie and yet we're supposed to think of Joy as the antagonist? Puhlease! Joy is in the right as far I can see. None of the other emotions are shown to be this hasty unless in dire situations. Sadness touches core memories and permanently makes them nostalgic without any explanation. If Joy and Anger, or Joy and Fear had been the duo, I would have had more fun than Sadness' moronation driving the plot inside Riley's head.
Your opinions are bad enough that I believe deep in my heart that you are the fabled Sharktale homosexual we were warned about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm Sharktalegay? He would have completely derailed the thread by spamming a Dreamworks movie until the OP thread wouldn't even matter to what would be happening in the thread. He would drive away all discussion until only angry anons would come to check the thread and curse at him once they see he ruined it.
Having an opinion you don't like != being Sharktalegay
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's not, he's way too articulate to be him. Sharkautist isn't just shit opinions, he also copy and pastes shit from google and dumps a thesaurus of adjectives for his comments.
It's been a while since I've watched this movie but I'll defend it. I guess you didn't like the movie because you couldn't empathize with Riley. I don't care that she's not an interesting character because the real life stuff is window dressing to the wacky imaginationland stuff. It's actually refreshing to me that they have a mundane character when Pixar characters are usually larger than life and revolutionize society. You can't understand why a kid would have trouble adjusting to moving to a new place? You can't feel sad when Riley's childhood dies as she's forced to mature?
Sadness is making the core memories sad because Riley's memories are being recontextualized by her move. This shit is obvious and the only moron here is (You).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the real life stuff is window dressing to the wacky imaginationland stuff
But none of that matters because the wacky imaginationland stuff is also dressing for the conflict between Joy and Sadness. >It's actually refreshing to me that they have a mundane character when Pixar characters are usually larger than life and revolutionize society.
Muh expectations subverted means good movie! This is how you sound to me. I don't mean to be rude but if I wanted to watch a mundane character, I would just watch my own life or someone else's. I don't watch movies for it to perfectly replicate real life. I watch them to escape. >You can't understand why a kid would have trouble adjusting to moving to a new place? You can't feel sad when Riley's childhood dies as she's forced to mature?
No, I can't. When I moved from my shit home to a better one, I was ecstatic because I would have my own room for the first time in my life. I didn't have any friends to cry over that I could still talk to on video chat (Riley speaks to her friend on video in the movie) Also, about the maturing thing. I was sad because I failed to mature as quickly as my peers in certain ways, not because I had to mature. I knew that was a part of life. I missed my early childhood but only because there was no expectations to mature, but I knew it had to happen and was annoyed that I couldn't. >Sadness is making the core memories sad because Riley's memories are being recontextualized by her move.
I know that, but I don't care about it because she could have explained that and because Riley is the one who will lose her memories if they fail and I don't care enough for Riley. If she was less of a moron and more like the other emotions who have no issue expressing themselves (because they're fricking emotions) then Joy and Sadness would have never got caught in the tube.
>McQueen gives up becoming the first rookie in history to win the Piston Cup in order to help The King cross the finish line and end his career with dignity
one of the most heartwarming Pixar scenes ever
I remember my driving instructor saying how he loves Cars, because it was about a selfish driver learning how to take care of others and be responsible. Never saw it like that before.
As fantastic of a climax as the serving and review, I don't know if that alone makes it the best. A lot of the middle parts are extremely forgettable and even a bit tedious. But actually, do any Pixar movies not have that problem?
>Linguini must recreate the soup with Remy's help >Linguini takes credit from Remy's talent and starts a romance with Colette, causing friction between him and Remy >Skinner learns about Linguini being Gusteau' son and tries to hide the truth from him with the help of his lawyer >Remy's father is dissapointed about his son's life choices >Emile and the colony beg Remy to steal food from the vault for them >Skinner wants revenge after losing the restaurant, calling a health inspector
none of these conflicts were interesting for me. It isn't until Ego goes to Gusteau's to make a review when there's finally something interesting/engaging happening, but it's too late by that point. Ratatouille doesn't click until the third act
Sounds quite interesting, It didn't even remember how diverse the personal arcs were, sounds like a classic novel where each character is fully independent rather than one main guy and his sidekicks.
In more seriousness this movie didn't click with me at all as a child but I really loved it revisiting it as an adult. It probably didn't help though that at the time my parents, who I respected, were all-in on hating the French for opposing the War on Terror, so I thought this was some kind of evil libshit propaganda movie trying to trick me into thinking that France was an okay place or the French were regular people.
>now, don't you feel better, Remy?
You've helped a noble cause >noble? We're thieves, dad. And what we're stealing is, let's face it, garbage >it isn't stealing if no one wants it >if no one wants it, why are we stealing it?
Remy wasn't terribly likeable
As a kid, I did love Ratatouille’s atmosphere, it’s a very dreamy romantic movie. I wouldn’t have been able to describe it along those lines as a kid, but in retrospect that’s how I felt
It was a comfy movie I would get lost in when I was melting into my couch
When I watched Cars or Up, I was engaged in the stories and laughing at the zany jokes. Ratatouille didn’t really make me laugh out loud except the lines “shut up and eat your garbage” and “I would like your heart roasted on a spit,” but I still watched it more than just about any other Pixar movie
I downloaded Le Festin on youtube2mp3 and put it on my ipod and listened to it on repeat
The movie is the embodiment of dreams of Paris
Sorry for blogpost but I wanted to share. Just, even as a kid, I felt there was something very different about Ratatouille compared to the other Pixar movies
Considering *someone* is already copy and pasting the script to complain about the movie, it's pretty likely. Ratatouille is one of the movies he whines about people liking constantly and will try to shit up any thread about it.
Considering *someone* is already copy and pasting the script to complain about the movie, it's pretty likely. Ratatouille is one of the movies he whines about people liking constantly and will try to shit up any thread about it.
Speak of the moron
>1986 : Luxo Jr >1987 : Red's Dream >1988 : Tin Toy >1989 : Knick Knack >1995 : Toy Story >1997 : Geri's Game >1998 : A Bug's Life >1999 : Toy Story 2 >2000 : For the Birds >2001 : Monsters Inc >2002 : Mike's New Car >2003 : Finding Nemo, Boundin' >2004 : The Incredibles >2005 : Jack Jack Attack, One Man Band >2006 : Cars, Mater and the Ghostlight, Lifted >2007 : Ratatouille, Your Friend the Rat
i think it was one of Pixar's weakest works at the time. They recovered next year with Wall-E and Presto
Literally anyone can make a movie about a kid going to a magical world or developing superpowers fun to kids, it takes actual skill to make a movie about something like freaking cooking interesting to everbody.
Cooking is the most deceptively accessible activity ever but people are afraid of it cause it takes time and you can potentially burn or cut yourself if youre not paying attention
>1986 : Luxo Jr >1987 : Red's Dream >1988 : Tin Toy >1989 : Knick Knack >1995 : Toy Story >1997 : Geri's Game >1998 : A Bug's Life >1999 : Toy Story 2 >2000 : For the Birds >2001 : Monsters Inc >2002 : Mike's New Car >2003 : Finding Nemo, Boundin' >2004 : The Incredibles >2005 : Jack Jack Attack, One Man Band >2006 : Cars, Mater and the Ghostlight, Lifted >2007 : Ratatouille, Your Friend the Rat
i think it was one of Pixar's weakest works at the time. They recovered next year with Wall-E and Presto
Are you joking? The only things they had at the time that were comparable to Ratatouile, quality-wise, were Monsters Inc and The Incredibles. Nothing else came close. I'm ignoring the shorts, although they were great, because I don't think you can really compare them that well to the features because they're aiming for such different things.
Not sure if it is Sharktalegay since it is way less insane, the thread is not flooded or derailed, if it is him he is less autistic and smarter than he used to be.
>if it is him he is less autistic and smarter than he used to be.
lmao
Haven't been in many Pixar/Dreamworks threads in a while, huh? Give it a minute, he'll go completely off tangent and start talking about a completely unrelated movie.
It’s almost certainly him. He kind of mellowed out after his permaban that made him sperg out but he’s still the same moron as he ever was. Imagine these threads are like going to the movie theater, before he would actively go in front of the screen and public ally defecate while ranting. Now he just loudly heckles the movie from his seat at a marginally less frequent pace. Still annoying and probably should be kicked out for not shutting his goddamn mouth but not near the menace he was. He still festers in every Dreamworks thread despite no one wanting him to be there, and I mean every single goddamn one.
In any case, while Ratotouille certainly has great artistic merit, I personally find it distinctly less compelling than the also-great Inside Out, because Inside Out is a waifu movie and I have discovered that that's catnip for me. I strongly suspect that once I finally see Turning Red, I will find that it has much less artistic merit than Ratatouille, and yet it will leave a much stronger impression on me, for this reason.
Glad to see someone else properly appreciate Up. Up hate appears to me to be the dominant opinion among animation opinion havers, and it's a great way to very quickly lose my respect.
I like Up but it's a bit lopsided. A lot of Pixar movies have weak middles but out of all of em it's middle is the least interesting for me. People praise the very beginning all the time but I don't really think the rest of the movie stands up to par with it. I don't think the Paradise Falls segment of the movie is bad or anything, just kind of weak. I think the climax makes up for a lot of it since it has that same emotional core as the beginning but it takes a while to get there. It's still a good Pixar movie, especially compared to their later tripe, but I don't think it stands next Wall-E or Ratatouille which have way more outstanding aspects to them.
Compare Ratatoille, Wall E and UP to whatever Disney and Pixar is releasing now and you will realize how absolutely generic those new movies are specially Turning Red.
btw I'm not saying Turning Red is a bad movie, it is solid and well made but comparing it to the Pixar Golden Age is like comparing Pixar to illumination.
Turning Red was a waifufest; that earns it way too much free credit with me to have any problem with it. You want a real example of modern generic Disney shit, look no further than Lightyear; a little further back there was Raya. I thought Encanto had some redeeming factors but it's also a decent example.
I mean, it’s just a general falling off for Pixar. When I was a kid every Pixar movie was an event, and I know it wasn’t just cause I was a kid. Adults were watching them and talking about them.
I don’t even recognize most of their newer movies, nor do I remember them coming out
Oh yeah by the way, did anyone notice that John Ratzenberger didn't just wind up left out of Soul, he's actually fully dropped from Pixar (he hasn't been in four Pixar movies in a row, no Ratzenberger in Soul, Luca, Turning Red, or Lightyear) and is going to be featured in a major role in Lasseter's upcoming project (Luck)? It sure looks like he wound up on the wrong side of a schism of some kind.
Brave essentially marked the end of an era for them. Cars was their first kind of "meh" movie (I'm glad I saw Monster House instead in theaters when I had the chance) but they still had some real nice hits after that stumble. Brave is when most of the magic had up and vanished. I know people that still treat Coco and Inside Out as classics but they never had the same vibe for me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Brave is below Pixar standards, but if you're trying to suggest it's worse than Cars I find that extremely dubious. Furthermore, Coco and Inside Out do indeed stand up alongside Pixar's golden age classics; you've also left out Monsters University, a rookie mistake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cars is probably worse, it just came out at a time when Pixar still had some real juice left. Brave is probably the better movie but I'd both put them firmly in the 'okay' category. For Coco and Inside Out I just didn't gel with them they're good movies, sure, but I still enjoy anything from the "golden age" when given the choice. Monsters University was a completely unnecessary movie, Monsters, Inc. didn't need a prequel and it didn't come close to the original in terms of quality for me. It's fine, but fine for Pixar especially when being a follow up to another one of their better movies, is not a lot.
Turning Red was a waifufest; that earns it way too much free credit with me to have any problem with it. You want a real example of modern generic Disney shit, look no further than Lightyear; a little further back there was Raya. I thought Encanto had some redeeming factors but it's also a decent example.
Bird only worked on it for 2 years, maybe less, and it shows. That love which he had for Iron Giant and Incredibles' characters isn't present here. Bird loved Hogarth, Dean, Annie, Giant, Bob, Helen, Violet, Dash and Edna, but he didn't love Remy, Linguini, Colette or Skinner (and if he did, it doesn't come across in the end product like in prior works)
Hogarth, Dean, Annie, Giant, Bob, Helen, Violet, Dash, Edna, Remy, Linguini, Colette, and Skinner are all equally loved by Brad Bird and it shows in their respective movies, correct.
Ratatouille is a mediocre and silly film with a great score and a touching ending. Its biggest problems are : an unfocused story, characters without endearing/compelling personalities, a lack of real laughs, a romance that doesn't catch fire, unappealing human models, and a leaden and calibrated screenplay
>Ratatouille is a great and deep film with a great score and touching ending. Its biggest strengths are: a focused story, characters with endearing/compelling personalities, a lot of real laughs, a romance that catches fire, appealing human models, and a masterful and calibrated screenplay
fixed another one for you, this one had a ton of weird typos
>unfocused story
Because it has multiple threads? >characters without endearing/compelling personalities
If youre not endeared by the neurotic passionate nerd, loveable dork, sleazeball, or, somehow, hot headed hottie, that's your oroblem bud >a lack of real laughs
It's real dry humor but it's there, like Remy gagging at the soup, the fricking face Remy accidentally makes Linguini pull while he's sleeping, and "YOUR HEART, RRRRROSTED ON A SPIT" >unappealing human models
Different strokes I guess but the models have aged pretty well for 2007 and still look great, a good balance of cartoony and the realism that Disney's obsessed with
>Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie
2007 films that had more laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
You keep making weird typos like saying more when you meant less. Here, let me fix that for you: >Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie >2007 films that had less laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
Not that anon, but come on, man. Surf's Up, Bee Movie and Meet the Robinsons are great movies from 2007. The Simpsons is good but could have been better.
They're fine movies, but compared to Ratatouille? Get outta here. Like out of those four, Surf's Up is really the only one that comes close to being groundbreaking thanks to how they did the whole documentary camera framing technique.
That's your problem. You're comparing movies not even from Pixar to Ratatouille. It's an unfair competition.
the romance is weak. Colette never once says Linguini's name, and Linguini barely says anything to her before the parking scene where they argue and then kiss (a forced kiss at that)
If anything, she fell in love with him because he was the only man who bowed down to her. She complains no one cares for a woman's opinion in a professional culinary setting, but maybe no one cares for her opinion because she was a neurotic and hot-headed b***h. Even Remy was annoyed with her and he likes most humans upset for Skinner because he was the big bad.
I mean, I wouldn't personally compare them but I'm not the one who did it initially.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You aren't? So who did? I didn't read the entire thread. I just responded to the anon who posted the Cars poster.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you not read the reply chain?
>Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie
2007 films that had more laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
she appreciated Linguini listening to her advice, but let's be honest : she fell in love with the rat's talent, thinking for months that it was Linguini's talent
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well if we're being honest, you're a moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She appreciated it. That doesn't mean she loved him for it. Linguini was incompetent in the kitchen even with Remy's talent because Remy had no idea about the culture of French cuisine. Like I said, she fell in love with him because he was the only willing to deal with her rudeness. Remy had to deal with it because he wanted to be a chef so badly, he would control a human being just to do so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This, I know from first and secondhand experience that people tolerating and/or liking one's not so stellar traits is a huge turn on
2 years ago
Anonymous
Skinner assigned her to show Linguini the ropes after he passes the soup test. He kinda had no choice but to deal with her rudeness. It was an order from the boss to listen to her advice
2 years ago
Anonymous
But if he had a choice, he would have chosen anyone else. It's not like he was infatuated with her from first sight.
It’s almost certainly him. He kind of mellowed out after his permaban that made him sperg out but he’s still the same moron as he ever was. Imagine these threads are like going to the movie theater, before he would actively go in front of the screen and public ally defecate while ranting. Now he just loudly heckles the movie from his seat at a marginally less frequent pace. Still annoying and probably should be kicked out for not shutting his goddamn mouth but not near the menace he was. He still festers in every Dreamworks thread despite no one wanting him to be there, and I mean every single goddamn one.
Sharktalegay is known for his love of Dreamworks movie, right? If he was in the thread, he would have derailed it because he would have spoken about Dreamworks movie. Also, how is stating an opinion ranting?
2 years ago
Anonymous
he was turned on by Colette the moment he arrived there looking for a job. He didn't ask Skinner to assign him someone else for that reason
i just realized something : Linguini never thanks Colette for standing up to Skinner and talk him out of firing him after the soup incident. That's an oversight from Bird
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He didn't ask Skinner to assign him someone else for that reason
Skinner wanted him gone from the moment he walked in. He only took him in because Gusteau's "old friend" asked for a favor because Linguini is so incompetent at other jobs and she had just died. If Linguini had asked for someone else after Skinner pushed him onto Colette, he would have made his life harder.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he was inexperienced, new to that place, smitten by Colette upon arriving, and he knew that she was the only person there that sorta cared for him (standing up to Skinner) It wouldn't make sense for Linguini to ask to be assigned to someone else. Anyone in his delicate position would've tolerated Colette's rudeness and listened to her advice
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that sorta cared for him (standing up to Skinner)
She did it because she knew how it felt to be the odd man out (or odd woman out in her case), not necessarily because she cared for him. She was annoyed to have him pushed onto her by Skinner. >Anyone in his delicate position would've tolerated Colette's rudeness and listened to her advice
But fall in love with her? Or for her to fall in love with him? Remy was the one really tolerating her rudeness and listening to her advice because Linguini still couldn't cook even after all she taught both of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He’s also known for hating Ratatouille, it and Shrek 2 are constant subjects of his rants. And yeah, stating an opinion is fine and all but doing it over and over unprompted is what I would consider a rant. All this shit has been posted before too, he’s incredibly predictable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He’s also known for hating Ratatouille
Which I don't. I love Ratatouille. >And yeah, stating an opinion is fine and all but doing it over and over unprompted is what I would consider a rant.
I'm not stating it over and over again unprompted. I replied to one anon's post and have been replying to people's posts since.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think you’re confusing me for another anon, I don’t think
Inside Out was the beginning of where I felt Pixar was forcefully emotionally manipulating their audience. Riley as a character is bland. She's a blank slate for kids to project onto, but this makes me not even care for the main conflict of Joy and Sadness getting back her core memories. I'm supposed to care about this boring girl's core life memories and cry when her imaginary friend dies? For what? Nothing about her made me care? Her conflict isn't even anything that serious. Her parents moved so her father can work at a better paying job. Boo hoo? As a kid, I would have been happy to leave so my father can make more money and we can be more financially stable. Riley is 12, not 7, so I can't emphasize with someone that old acting like a literal infant. Sorry not sorry where Inside Out is. A fine movie is not a bad movie.
Also, I completely understand Joy's frustrations with Sadness. She acts like a complete moron for for the entire movie and yet we're supposed to think of Joy as the antagonist? Puhlease! Joy is in the right as far I can see. None of the other emotions are shown to be this hasty unless in dire situations. Sadness touches core memories and permanently makes them nostalgic without any explanation. If Joy and Anger, or Joy and Fear had been the duo, I would have had more fun than Sadness' moronation driving the plot inside Riley's head.
is sharktalegay
>1986 : Luxo Jr >1987 : Red's Dream >1988 : Tin Toy >1989 : Knick Knack >1995 : Toy Story >1997 : Geri's Game >1998 : A Bug's Life >1999 : Toy Story 2 >2000 : For the Birds >2001 : Monsters Inc >2002 : Mike's New Car >2003 : Finding Nemo, Boundin' >2004 : The Incredibles >2005 : Jack Jack Attack, One Man Band >2006 : Cars, Mater and the Ghostlight, Lifted >2007 : Ratatouille, Your Friend the Rat
i think it was one of Pixar's weakest works at the time. They recovered next year with Wall-E and Presto
>Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie
2007 films that had more laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
the romance is weak. Colette never once says Linguini's name, and Linguini barely says anything to her before the parking scene where they argue and then kiss (a forced kiss at that)
>the romance was strong, Colette never once needs to say Linguini's name, and and Linguini barely says anything to her before the parking scene where they argue and then kiss (a spur of the moment kiss filled with passion at that)
woof, more weird typos. You should get the checked.
I don't understand this movie, is it about a guy who uses mice to take care of his work? And it's for me to think the chef was wrong to go against this kind of thing
No, the restaurant getting shut down at the end of the movie for having rats in the kitchen was completely justified (though the fact that they opened another one kind of weird.)
You're supposed to dislike Skinner because he intentionally tries to keep Linguini from inheriting the restaurant that rightfully belongs to him, and for using Gusteau's name to make shitty frozen foods.
>Skinner >keep the business alive >gets kicked because of nepotism
Skinner must have created his restaurant, taken all the workers with him. but linguini was dumb enough to work with rats, the only rational person in that movie was Skinner, what other boss would work with rats but insane people? I also don't know how in that period Skinner wouldn't have more than half of the shares of the restaurant business
Agreed
>*blocks your path*
Cringe gets-his-opinions-from-youtubers gay
Based actual child
You ever accuse me of that again I'll deep fry and eat your gums
>directed and written by John Lasseter and Joe Ranft
Cars is the film that embodies Pixar' spirit the most
No the frick it doesn't sharkgay
People shit on the Cars franchise, but honestly? It's the third best trilogy after Toy Story (I refuse to acknowledge 4) and Monsters Inc. (MU is underrated). Finding Dory and The Incredibles 2 are lackluster sequels that earned money solely off of nostalgia. Cars 2 was a departure but more entertaining to me than Incredibles 2 and Cars 3 is better than both of those sequels combined.
And I agree, Ratatouille is Pixar's best.
>B-But Toy Story!
Toy Story 1 and 2 can be argued to be on the same level or better, but 3 and 4 are not as good as Ratatouille so we can't say the entire franchise is better than Ratatouille.
>B-But Up, Wall-E and Finding Nemo?
Finding Nemo and Wall-E are good movies and can be both placed in second place. Up is also great (not just the first 10 minutes, I hate frickers who spam this shit opinion. The rest of the movie is what makes those 10 minutes so great.) but not as good as Ratatouille.
>B-But Incredibles!!
People on Cinemaphile right now only like Incredibles because it reminds them of capeshit, but the superhero 1950s/60s aesthetic is only dressing to show the better shit like the interfamilial drama and mid-life crisis of Bob Parr AKA Mr. Incredible. It isn't mindless capeshit like modern DC or Marvel movies. It can also be argued to be on the level of Ratatouille, but something about Ratatouille speaks to me. I relate more to Remy than Bob. Maybe it's because I'm not middled-aged and with kids and past my prime yet.
Also, to add to this ranking
>Near Perfect/Perfect
Ratatouille
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Finding Nemo
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc.
>Great
Wall-E
Up
Toy Story 3
Soul
>Good
Luca
Turning Red
Cars
Cars 2
Cars 3
A Bug's Life
Monsters University
>Fine
Finding Dory
Onward
Inside Out
A Good Dinosaur (in the sense that it is mediocre, which I consider fine)
>Lackluster
Brave (it's sad because I feel this one had great potential to reach good or great levels imo)
Lightyear (honestly should be in its own section called bad, but I'll give it a break since I had a sneaking suspicion since the trailer came out that this was a mandate from Disney to use the Toy Story franchise more, so Pixar purposely made this movie that has no connection to the original franchise besides artificial things)
Oh, Incredibles 2 is under the Fine section.
>Inside Out near the bottom
Lol! Lmao!
Inside Out was the beginning of where I felt Pixar was forcefully emotionally manipulating their audience. Riley as a character is bland. She's a blank slate for kids to project onto, but this makes me not even care for the main conflict of Joy and Sadness getting back her core memories. I'm supposed to care about this boring girl's core life memories and cry when her imaginary friend dies? For what? Nothing about her made me care? Her conflict isn't even anything that serious. Her parents moved so her father can work at a better paying job. Boo hoo? As a kid, I would have been happy to leave so my father can make more money and we can be more financially stable. Riley is 12, not 7, so I can't emphasize with someone that old acting like a literal infant. Sorry not sorry where Inside Out is. A fine movie is not a bad movie.
Also, I completely understand Joy's frustrations with Sadness. She acts like a complete moron for for the entire movie and yet we're supposed to think of Joy as the antagonist? Puhlease! Joy is in the right as far I can see. None of the other emotions are shown to be this hasty unless in dire situations. Sadness touches core memories and permanently makes them nostalgic without any explanation. If Joy and Anger, or Joy and Fear had been the duo, I would have had more fun than Sadness' moronation driving the plot inside Riley's head.
Your opinions are bad enough that I believe deep in my heart that you are the fabled Sharktale homosexual we were warned about.
I'm Sharktalegay? He would have completely derailed the thread by spamming a Dreamworks movie until the OP thread wouldn't even matter to what would be happening in the thread. He would drive away all discussion until only angry anons would come to check the thread and curse at him once they see he ruined it.
Having an opinion you don't like != being Sharktalegay
He's not, he's way too articulate to be him. Sharkautist isn't just shit opinions, he also copy and pastes shit from google and dumps a thesaurus of adjectives for his comments.
It's been a while since I've watched this movie but I'll defend it. I guess you didn't like the movie because you couldn't empathize with Riley. I don't care that she's not an interesting character because the real life stuff is window dressing to the wacky imaginationland stuff. It's actually refreshing to me that they have a mundane character when Pixar characters are usually larger than life and revolutionize society. You can't understand why a kid would have trouble adjusting to moving to a new place? You can't feel sad when Riley's childhood dies as she's forced to mature?
Sadness is making the core memories sad because Riley's memories are being recontextualized by her move. This shit is obvious and the only moron here is (You).
>the real life stuff is window dressing to the wacky imaginationland stuff
But none of that matters because the wacky imaginationland stuff is also dressing for the conflict between Joy and Sadness.
>It's actually refreshing to me that they have a mundane character when Pixar characters are usually larger than life and revolutionize society.
Muh expectations subverted means good movie! This is how you sound to me. I don't mean to be rude but if I wanted to watch a mundane character, I would just watch my own life or someone else's. I don't watch movies for it to perfectly replicate real life. I watch them to escape.
>You can't understand why a kid would have trouble adjusting to moving to a new place? You can't feel sad when Riley's childhood dies as she's forced to mature?
No, I can't. When I moved from my shit home to a better one, I was ecstatic because I would have my own room for the first time in my life. I didn't have any friends to cry over that I could still talk to on video chat (Riley speaks to her friend on video in the movie) Also, about the maturing thing. I was sad because I failed to mature as quickly as my peers in certain ways, not because I had to mature. I knew that was a part of life. I missed my early childhood but only because there was no expectations to mature, but I knew it had to happen and was annoyed that I couldn't.
>Sadness is making the core memories sad because Riley's memories are being recontextualized by her move.
I know that, but I don't care about it because she could have explained that and because Riley is the one who will lose her memories if they fail and I don't care enough for Riley. If she was less of a moron and more like the other emotions who have no issue expressing themselves (because they're fricking emotions) then Joy and Sadness would have never got caught in the tube.
I forget Toy Story 4 exists too
Oh yeah, Toy Story 4 should also be in a new category of bad. In fact.
>Bad
Toy Story 4
Lightyear
>Cars 2
>good
I don't know why boomers hate this movie so much. It's a solid 9/10.
LIFE IS A HIGHWAY
great film. Comfy, entertaining, musical, compelling and with a lot of positive values. Lasseter and Ranft made a children classic
>McQueen gives up becoming the first rookie in history to win the Piston Cup in order to help The King cross the finish line and end his career with dignity
one of the most heartwarming Pixar scenes ever
I remember my driving instructor saying how he loves Cars, because it was about a selfish driver learning how to take care of others and be responsible. Never saw it like that before.
Yeah probably
I was about to disagree but I can't think of a better one. You're likely right.
It's really good but it's no Inside Out.
That’s what makes it so good
Wait a minute. If they’re cooking in Gusteau’s, then what’s this place?
kind of looks like it says Cantina! to me
Gaston's.
That must be the beta version.
Gusteaus 2nd branch:
GusDeaux!
As fantastic of a climax as the serving and review, I don't know if that alone makes it the best. A lot of the middle parts are extremely forgettable and even a bit tedious. But actually, do any Pixar movies not have that problem?
painfully overrated. Not even the best Cinemaphile film of 2007. The Simpsons Movie was better
The Simpson's Movie isn't even good Simpson's content
Exactly his point, I imagine.
>Linguini must recreate the soup with Remy's help
>Linguini takes credit from Remy's talent and starts a romance with Colette, causing friction between him and Remy
>Skinner learns about Linguini being Gusteau' son and tries to hide the truth from him with the help of his lawyer
>Remy's father is dissapointed about his son's life choices
>Emile and the colony beg Remy to steal food from the vault for them
>Skinner wants revenge after losing the restaurant, calling a health inspector
none of these conflicts were interesting for me. It isn't until Ego goes to Gusteau's to make a review when there's finally something interesting/engaging happening, but it's too late by that point. Ratatouille doesn't click until the third act
Sounds quite interesting, It didn't even remember how diverse the personal arcs were, sounds like a classic novel where each character is fully independent rather than one main guy and his sidekicks.
Indeed, such a masterful movie
>
In more seriousness this movie didn't click with me at all as a child but I really loved it revisiting it as an adult. It probably didn't help though that at the time my parents, who I respected, were all-in on hating the French for opposing the War on Terror, so I thought this was some kind of evil libshit propaganda movie trying to trick me into thinking that France was an okay place or the French were regular people.
Toy Story, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars and Inside Out are Pixar's best
>now, don't you feel better, Remy?
You've helped a noble cause
>noble? We're thieves, dad. And what we're stealing is, let's face it, garbage
>it isn't stealing if no one wants it
>if no one wants it, why are we stealing it?
Remy wasn't terribly likeable
Remy for frick's sake if you naively try to contact the humans for peaceful trade they will violently exterminate you
*Remy was awesomely likeable
fixed that typo for you, the dialogue you posted with it made the mistake obvious.
As a kid, I did love Ratatouille’s atmosphere, it’s a very dreamy romantic movie. I wouldn’t have been able to describe it along those lines as a kid, but in retrospect that’s how I felt
It was a comfy movie I would get lost in when I was melting into my couch
When I watched Cars or Up, I was engaged in the stories and laughing at the zany jokes. Ratatouille didn’t really make me laugh out loud except the lines “shut up and eat your garbage” and “I would like your heart roasted on a spit,” but I still watched it more than just about any other Pixar movie
I downloaded Le Festin on youtube2mp3 and put it on my ipod and listened to it on repeat
The movie is the embodiment of dreams of Paris
Sorry for blogpost but I wanted to share. Just, even as a kid, I felt there was something very different about Ratatouille compared to the other Pixar movies
You're not that homosexual Sharkgay and your post is actually relevant to the thread topic, you have nothing to apologize for.
Hmm. And this Sharkgay, is he in the thread with us right now?
Considering *someone* is already copy and pasting the script to complain about the movie, it's pretty likely. Ratatouille is one of the movies he whines about people liking constantly and will try to shit up any thread about it.
Speak of the moron
Spamming shit like this is his MO
Literally anyone can make a movie about a kid going to a magical world or developing superpowers fun to kids, it takes actual skill to make a movie about something like freaking cooking interesting to everbody.
Cooking is the most deceptively accessible activity ever but people are afraid of it cause it takes time and you can potentially burn or cut yourself if youre not paying attention
>1986 : Luxo Jr
>1987 : Red's Dream
>1988 : Tin Toy
>1989 : Knick Knack
>1995 : Toy Story
>1997 : Geri's Game
>1998 : A Bug's Life
>1999 : Toy Story 2
>2000 : For the Birds
>2001 : Monsters Inc
>2002 : Mike's New Car
>2003 : Finding Nemo, Boundin'
>2004 : The Incredibles
>2005 : Jack Jack Attack, One Man Band
>2006 : Cars, Mater and the Ghostlight, Lifted
>2007 : Ratatouille, Your Friend the Rat
i think it was one of Pixar's weakest works at the time. They recovered next year with Wall-E and Presto
Are you joking? The only things they had at the time that were comparable to Ratatouile, quality-wise, were Monsters Inc and The Incredibles. Nothing else came close. I'm ignoring the shorts, although they were great, because I don't think you can really compare them that well to the features because they're aiming for such different things.
He's not joking, just moronic. It's Sharkgay, really no point in engaging because he certainly won't beyond spamming.
Not sure if it is Sharktalegay since it is way less insane, the thread is not flooded or derailed, if it is him he is less autistic and smarter than he used to be.
>if it is him he is less autistic and smarter than he used to be.
lmao
Haven't been in many Pixar/Dreamworks threads in a while, huh? Give it a minute, he'll go completely off tangent and start talking about a completely unrelated movie.
What if that was Sharktalegay you were just responding to?
It’s almost certainly him. He kind of mellowed out after his permaban that made him sperg out but he’s still the same moron as he ever was. Imagine these threads are like going to the movie theater, before he would actively go in front of the screen and public ally defecate while ranting. Now he just loudly heckles the movie from his seat at a marginally less frequent pace. Still annoying and probably should be kicked out for not shutting his goddamn mouth but not near the menace he was. He still festers in every Dreamworks thread despite no one wanting him to be there, and I mean every single goddamn one.
In any case, while Ratotouille certainly has great artistic merit, I personally find it distinctly less compelling than the also-great Inside Out, because Inside Out is a waifu movie and I have discovered that that's catnip for me. I strongly suspect that once I finally see Turning Red, I will find that it has much less artistic merit than Ratatouille, and yet it will leave a much stronger impression on me, for this reason.
Well at least we can agree that Wall E is fantastic as well.
Ratatoille, Wall E and UP are probably the most artistic and creative huge budget animation movies will ever get, it was the peak of the Golden Age.
Glad to see someone else properly appreciate Up. Up hate appears to me to be the dominant opinion among animation opinion havers, and it's a great way to very quickly lose my respect.
I like Up but it's a bit lopsided. A lot of Pixar movies have weak middles but out of all of em it's middle is the least interesting for me. People praise the very beginning all the time but I don't really think the rest of the movie stands up to par with it. I don't think the Paradise Falls segment of the movie is bad or anything, just kind of weak. I think the climax makes up for a lot of it since it has that same emotional core as the beginning but it takes a while to get there. It's still a good Pixar movie, especially compared to their later tripe, but I don't think it stands next Wall-E or Ratatouille which have way more outstanding aspects to them.
Compare Ratatoille, Wall E and UP to whatever Disney and Pixar is releasing now and you will realize how absolutely generic those new movies are specially Turning Red.
btw I'm not saying Turning Red is a bad movie, it is solid and well made but comparing it to the Pixar Golden Age is like comparing Pixar to illumination.
I mean, it’s just a general falling off for Pixar. When I was a kid every Pixar movie was an event, and I know it wasn’t just cause I was a kid. Adults were watching them and talking about them.
I don’t even recognize most of their newer movies, nor do I remember them coming out
Oh yeah by the way, did anyone notice that John Ratzenberger didn't just wind up left out of Soul, he's actually fully dropped from Pixar (he hasn't been in four Pixar movies in a row, no Ratzenberger in Soul, Luca, Turning Red, or Lightyear) and is going to be featured in a major role in Lasseter's upcoming project (Luck)? It sure looks like he wound up on the wrong side of a schism of some kind.
Brave essentially marked the end of an era for them. Cars was their first kind of "meh" movie (I'm glad I saw Monster House instead in theaters when I had the chance) but they still had some real nice hits after that stumble. Brave is when most of the magic had up and vanished. I know people that still treat Coco and Inside Out as classics but they never had the same vibe for me.
Brave is below Pixar standards, but if you're trying to suggest it's worse than Cars I find that extremely dubious. Furthermore, Coco and Inside Out do indeed stand up alongside Pixar's golden age classics; you've also left out Monsters University, a rookie mistake.
Cars is probably worse, it just came out at a time when Pixar still had some real juice left. Brave is probably the better movie but I'd both put them firmly in the 'okay' category. For Coco and Inside Out I just didn't gel with them they're good movies, sure, but I still enjoy anything from the "golden age" when given the choice. Monsters University was a completely unnecessary movie, Monsters, Inc. didn't need a prequel and it didn't come close to the original in terms of quality for me. It's fine, but fine for Pixar especially when being a follow up to another one of their better movies, is not a lot.
Turning Red was a waifufest; that earns it way too much free credit with me to have any problem with it. You want a real example of modern generic Disney shit, look no further than Lightyear; a little further back there was Raya. I thought Encanto had some redeeming factors but it's also a decent example.
Your Friend The Rat is great screw u
Bird only worked on it for 2 years, maybe less, and it shows. That love which he had for Iron Giant and Incredibles' characters isn't present here. Bird loved Hogarth, Dean, Annie, Giant, Bob, Helen, Violet, Dash and Edna, but he didn't love Remy, Linguini, Colette or Skinner (and if he did, it doesn't come across in the end product like in prior works)
>WHERE'S THE LOVE MANSLEY
Hogarth, Dean, Annie, Giant, Bob, Helen, Violet, Dash, Edna, Remy, Linguini, Colette, and Skinner are all equally loved by Brad Bird and it shows in their respective movies, correct.
Ok boy, now you are supposed to describe the character development of both characters and show why one is better crafted than the other
>expecting sharkautist to ever elaborate on his "points"
lol
I like how it turned Le Festin into the premiere tiktok cooking song.
it's a great song, but Camille and Giacchino did it, not Pixar or Bird
I dont know what the frick those are. It was Pixar.
Camille should do more songs for animated films. She also did one for the CG Little Prince film
Who chose them to do it and gave them direction for what kind of song they wanted for the scene it was in?
Wait, Le Festin was made for the movie?
I kinda thought it was like a French classic they just recycled into the movie.
Nope, it was made for the movie. I think it's a testament to their skill that it sounds like a classic song.
Who the frick did you think Giacchino was, lmao
I dunno. Sounds like a kind of coffee.
Do you think Pixar is a guy named Pixar who lives in Pixarville and eats Pixar Flakes for breakfast?
I'd put The Incredibles above it. It had no single moment as great as the review scene, but a far more well-rounded and complete movie.
Probably Toy Story as number 2, Ratatouille probably number 3 but I'd have to re-watch Wall-E to make sure.
no
Ratatouille is a mediocre and silly film with a great score and a touching ending. Its biggest problems are : an unfocused story, characters without endearing/compelling personalities, a lack of real laughs, a romance that doesn't catch fire, unappealing human models, and a leaden and calibrated screenplay
>Ratatouille is a great and deep film with a great score and touching ending. Its biggest strengths are: a focused story, characters with endearing/compelling personalities, a lot of real laughs, a romance that catches fire, appealing human models, and a masterful and calibrated screenplay
fixed another one for you, this one had a ton of weird typos
>unfocused story
Because it has multiple threads?
>characters without endearing/compelling personalities
If youre not endeared by the neurotic passionate nerd, loveable dork, sleazeball, or, somehow, hot headed hottie, that's your oroblem bud
>a lack of real laughs
It's real dry humor but it's there, like Remy gagging at the soup, the fricking face Remy accidentally makes Linguini pull while he's sleeping, and "YOUR HEART, RRRRROSTED ON A SPIT"
>unappealing human models
Different strokes I guess but the models have aged pretty well for 2007 and still look great, a good balance of cartoony and the realism that Disney's obsessed with
This part gets me every fricking time.
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Overrated, honestly
That title belongs to Wall-E, where people keep giving it bonus points for being artsy fartsy instead of entertaining.
>Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie
2007 films that had more laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
You keep making weird typos like saying more when you meant less. Here, let me fix that for you:
>Surf's Up, Meet the Robinsons, Simpsons Movie, Bee Movie
>2007 films that had less laughs, warmth, personality and character chemistry than Ratatouille
Not that anon, but come on, man. Surf's Up, Bee Movie and Meet the Robinsons are great movies from 2007. The Simpsons is good but could have been better.
They're fine movies, but compared to Ratatouille? Get outta here. Like out of those four, Surf's Up is really the only one that comes close to being groundbreaking thanks to how they did the whole documentary camera framing technique.
That's your problem. You're comparing movies not even from Pixar to Ratatouille. It's an unfair competition.
If anything, she fell in love with him because he was the only man who bowed down to her. She complains no one cares for a woman's opinion in a professional culinary setting, but maybe no one cares for her opinion because she was a neurotic and hot-headed b***h. Even Remy was annoyed with her and he likes most humans upset for Skinner because he was the big bad.
I mean, I wouldn't personally compare them but I'm not the one who did it initially.
You aren't? So who did? I didn't read the entire thread. I just responded to the anon who posted the Cars poster.
Can you not read the reply chain?
she appreciated Linguini listening to her advice, but let's be honest : she fell in love with the rat's talent, thinking for months that it was Linguini's talent
Well if we're being honest, you're a moron.
She appreciated it. That doesn't mean she loved him for it. Linguini was incompetent in the kitchen even with Remy's talent because Remy had no idea about the culture of French cuisine. Like I said, she fell in love with him because he was the only willing to deal with her rudeness. Remy had to deal with it because he wanted to be a chef so badly, he would control a human being just to do so.
This, I know from first and secondhand experience that people tolerating and/or liking one's not so stellar traits is a huge turn on
Skinner assigned her to show Linguini the ropes after he passes the soup test. He kinda had no choice but to deal with her rudeness. It was an order from the boss to listen to her advice
But if he had a choice, he would have chosen anyone else. It's not like he was infatuated with her from first sight.
Sharktalegay is known for his love of Dreamworks movie, right? If he was in the thread, he would have derailed it because he would have spoken about Dreamworks movie. Also, how is stating an opinion ranting?
he was turned on by Colette the moment he arrived there looking for a job. He didn't ask Skinner to assign him someone else for that reason
i just realized something : Linguini never thanks Colette for standing up to Skinner and talk him out of firing him after the soup incident. That's an oversight from Bird
>He didn't ask Skinner to assign him someone else for that reason
Skinner wanted him gone from the moment he walked in. He only took him in because Gusteau's "old friend" asked for a favor because Linguini is so incompetent at other jobs and she had just died. If Linguini had asked for someone else after Skinner pushed him onto Colette, he would have made his life harder.
he was inexperienced, new to that place, smitten by Colette upon arriving, and he knew that she was the only person there that sorta cared for him (standing up to Skinner) It wouldn't make sense for Linguini to ask to be assigned to someone else. Anyone in his delicate position would've tolerated Colette's rudeness and listened to her advice
>that sorta cared for him (standing up to Skinner)
She did it because she knew how it felt to be the odd man out (or odd woman out in her case), not necessarily because she cared for him. She was annoyed to have him pushed onto her by Skinner.
>Anyone in his delicate position would've tolerated Colette's rudeness and listened to her advice
But fall in love with her? Or for her to fall in love with him? Remy was the one really tolerating her rudeness and listening to her advice because Linguini still couldn't cook even after all she taught both of them.
He’s also known for hating Ratatouille, it and Shrek 2 are constant subjects of his rants. And yeah, stating an opinion is fine and all but doing it over and over unprompted is what I would consider a rant. All this shit has been posted before too, he’s incredibly predictable.
>He’s also known for hating Ratatouille
Which I don't. I love Ratatouille.
>And yeah, stating an opinion is fine and all but doing it over and over unprompted is what I would consider a rant.
I'm not stating it over and over again unprompted. I replied to one anon's post and have been replying to people's posts since.
I think you’re confusing me for another anon, I don’t think
is sharktalegay
This is sharktalegay
the romance is weak. Colette never once says Linguini's name, and Linguini barely says anything to her before the parking scene where they argue and then kiss (a forced kiss at that)
>the romance was strong, Colette never once needs to say Linguini's name, and and Linguini barely says anything to her before the parking scene where they argue and then kiss (a spur of the moment kiss filled with passion at that)
woof, more weird typos. You should get the checked.
Unrealistic film.
nevermind that rat can control a human's legs and arms movements like a puppet by pulling his hair, even when the human is sleeping
Said "human" is a ginger. Soulless constructs are easy to manipulate.
Raep
Authentic French kino moment
cringe
It was a stupid metaphor
since when did linguini have goatee
did I just get hit by the mandela effect?
I don't understand this movie, is it about a guy who uses mice to take care of his work? And it's for me to think the chef was wrong to go against this kind of thing
No, the restaurant getting shut down at the end of the movie for having rats in the kitchen was completely justified (though the fact that they opened another one kind of weird.)
You're supposed to dislike Skinner because he intentionally tries to keep Linguini from inheriting the restaurant that rightfully belongs to him, and for using Gusteau's name to make shitty frozen foods.
>Skinner
>keep the business alive
>gets kicked because of nepotism
Skinner must have created his restaurant, taken all the workers with him. but linguini was dumb enough to work with rats, the only rational person in that movie was Skinner, what other boss would work with rats but insane people? I also don't know how in that period Skinner wouldn't have more than half of the shares of the restaurant business