After last night’s episode his words have finally rung true in a way that can no longer be denied.
Amazingly, my normalfriends still cannot bring themselves to admit they were wrong about Chuck and that he was right about Jimmy even after he broke into a cancerman’s house to rob him and may end up having to kill him.
What is it about normaloids that makes them incapable of acknowledging people they identify with are evil?
They are a danger to everyone and everything on this planet.
Mental illness. Monkey see, Monkey do.
Normies identify with the 'bad guy with a heart of gold that wants to do good but doesnt' because that's who they are. Well meaning failures.
Jimmy isn’t well meaning and neither are they, just just feel they have a right to do whatever they want especially if they insist someone else is fricking them and making them do it
no one cares about this stupid show
Name a more talked about currently running TV series
stranger things
mandalorian
cringecel
didn't say I liked either of them, just that they're more talked about than BCS is
[Citation needed]
nobody watched stranger shit after season 3 or mandalorian after season 1 cope
this is a complete mouth breather take. if you took a step outside in any direction during the last season of stranger things you would see constantly shilling on every product ever. every normie down the block was talking about it, so much so it launched Kate Bush back into some sort of popularity again. stranger things was the normie talking point for the month it was blowing up.
Childrens tv
Literally no one talks about those shows after they stop airing.
Even The boys has more organic hype.
I would agree but Chuck was a little Black person so I can't agree with him about anything on principle. Sorry senpai
You are a normal.
>You are a normal.
spoken like a true moron. bravo
t. phoneposter
A lot of what Chuck says about Jimmy is right, but Chuck also had the opportunity to help Jimmy become a better person. He chose not to because he was bitter people found Jimmy charming and that he was able to become a lawyer without doing the whole prestigious Law school song and dance.
>and that he was able to become a lawyer without doing the whole prestigious Law school song and dance.
That's not why Chuck was unhappy with Jimmy becoming a lawyer, you fricking idiot. He was angry because he knew Jimmy had no respect for the Law, something which Chuck held sacred and studied and followed almost religiously.
He knew Jimmy would be a twobit shyster and hustler as a lawyer, which is why he wanted him nowhere near HH&M in such a capacity.
He knew Jimmy would break the law to win cases. He knew Jimmy would flout every rule and standard and law there was merely to win.
He knew that, ultimately, Jimmy would destroy any legal firm's reputation who he worked for... which is exactly what he did.
Jimmy is human garbage, and while Chuck loved him as a brother... he knew he would be toxic as a lawyer and simply could not change no matter how many chances Chuck gave him and no matter how many times people tried to help him.
Look at what he did at Davis & Main. He had everything handed to him on a silver platter and he STILL fricked it all up and brought disrepute upon the firm and almost got fired etc. etc. etc.
>toxic as a lawyer
reddit normalgay, your thread is dogshit and you are a moron
>That's not why Chuck was unhappy with Jimmy becoming a lawyer
>UNIVERSITY OF SAMOA? AN ONLINE COURSE? WHAT A JOKE! I WORKED MY ASS OFF TO GET WHERE I AM, YOU TAKE THESE SHORTCUTS AND NOW YOU'RE MY PEER? YOU DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE YOU MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH?
Chuck can have valid concerns with Jimmy having a law degree and ALSO be a petty and vindictive shithead who's still butthurt his wife liked Jimmy more than him. Chuck could have helped shape Jimmy into a better lawyer, but he chose not to.
>Look at what he did at Davis & Main
Was airing the commercial without informing the partners a bad idea? Sure. But they hated that Jimmy got results without being an uptight WASP-y rich man's lawyer.
>Chuck could have helped shape Jimmy into a better lawyer, but he chose not to.
No, he fricking couldn't have. That was the entire point of the goddamn show. No matter how many chances he got and how much advice and how many good people reached out to help and influence him... he just kept retreating back into his old familiar ways.
Because it's his nature. He gets off on it. He simply cannot rest unless he is pulling a scam or breaking the rules or hoodwinking and conniving and scheming.
It's what he does. He'll never change.
>No, he fricking couldn't have
You're right, for Chuck to do that he would have had to be a good person, supportive, altruistic, encouraging, etc
The moral way to do it was of course to lie about it, sabotage him and being a beta cuck, not even man enough to come out and say it. Because he enjoyed being pampered like a manchild while going through his Black folkchizophrenia.
Jimmy where' my tea? Did you get the papers like I asked you to? My ice, is it there? Oh and nevermind you're sleeping in the back of a nail salon and waking up everyday at 5am to get my stuff. Howard sent a 700 dollar check so I'll think you'll be fine.
Yep, Jimmy should have gotten him commited when Dr. Cruz first asked him too, for some nice electroshock therapy to get the homosexual out of him.
Exactly. Why tf else is it that when Howard literally approaches Jimmy with the job he wanted Chuck to give him, rather than just declining like a normal person, he destroys his property and even tries to drag his name through the mud with prostitues.
And considering Howie was married, he could have caused irreparable damage to his marriage aswell.
And even after all that, Howie still checks up to clear things up and see if Jimmy still wants the job.
Jimmy is unable to not destroy everyone around him.
>But they hated that Jimmy got results without being an uptight WASP-y rich man's lawyer.
You are such a goddamn fricking moron. They practically rolled out the red carpet for Jimmy and gave him extremely unusual and preferential treatment considering his shitty online Samoan degree and extremely sketchy reputation and background in law.
He was treated with nothing but respect and leighway from the get go and he repaid them with the fricking commercial and the other shit which followed.
He is human garbage. A self-sabotaging, narcissistic asshat.
Jimmy's commercial got them 200 potential clients in a single night, and even if Jimmy didn't sneak behind their backs to air it they wouldn't have done it because MUH REPUTATION WE ARE LE RESPECTABLE LAW FIRM ONLY CATERING TO THE MOST ELITE AND PRESTIGIOUS CLIENTS
I'm not saying that what Jimmy did was right, but I understand his frustration
>Jimmy's commercial got them 200 potential clients in a single night
So you just completely missed the point then? Why they were pissed about it? Why ANYONE else working for them would have been instantly fired for it?
Lots of slimy, underhanded, sketchy methods can massively boost your business and shortterm cashflow...
They're not always things you should or want to do.
Reputations matter. Longterm sustainability and security matters.
Idiot. You're clearly as fricking emotionally underdeveloped and immature as Jimmy is, it's no shock you sympathize with him so hard lmao.
I understand why the Davis and Main partners were pissed he aired it without their knowledge or consent, but I can also understand Jimmy's frustration with bougie law firms who would rather project the image of elitism than help people
Just like how Jimmy's forgery of the Mesa Verde documents wasn't right, but Chuck deliberately went after Mesa Verde just to spite Jimmy and Kim
>but I can also understand Jimmy's frustration with bougie law firms who would rather project the image of elitism than help people
It has nothing to do with helping people. Jesus just look at what Saul's independent law ventures always ended up turning into. He literally ALWAYS went straight into representing criminals and human filth and using borderline illegal (sometimes blatantly illegal) methods in order to get them off the hook.
He literally ended up a fricking Cartel bagman and almost got killed and kidnapped and worse (and in the end got Howard killed).
He is human garbage interested in representing human garbage and flouting every law, rule and standard there is in the process.
Why are you finding it so difficult to understand why Chuck wanted him nowhere near HH&M and why D&M were often so frustrated with him and clashed with him so regularly.
He didn't deserve ANY fricking chances or sympathy or effort from anyone. He deserved a fricking BULLET TO THE HEAD IN INFANCY.
And so do you.
I'm just saying that if Chuck didn't assume the absolute worst of Jimmy at every turn he might have been a better person
out of curiosity - what's your opinion of Skyler White?
>out of curiosity - what's your opinion of Skyler White?
Skyler was right with most of her early positions and feelings and usually totally reasonable. I lost all respect for her when she decided to go along with Walt's dealings and even become embroiled in them, though.
>Skyler was right with most of her early positions and feelings and usually totally reasonable.
Yep, she's a flawed human being but all of her warnings about the consequences of Walt's actions were mostly proven true
>I lost all respect for her when she decided to go along with Walt's dealings and even become embroiled in them, though.
In fairness to Skyler, Walt would not fricking leave her alone, and I understand the impulse to use his blood money to prevent her brother in law from being crippled for life, especially when the assassination attempt was a result of Walt's actions
>Yep, she's a flawed human being but all of her warnings about the consequences of Walt's actions were mostly proven true
Correct. The same people that meme 'Skyler is a b***h' are the same underdeveloped manbabys who seem to think Jimmy has ever been remotely in the right during BCS.
Tedious.
>In fairness to Skyler,
You know that's a good point. Skyler took a bad path and became involved in shady dealings but she literally done it out of almost purely selfless reasons and always tried to use the money almost exclusively for others in need (such as Hank or Walt's treatment or Walt Jr etc.)
She is in a very different league to characters like Saul and Walt and others who had this sort of superficial veneer of pretending they cared about others and were only doing awful things for them... but in reality were pretty much in it for themselves from the get go.
Jimmy isn’t never right, it’s just he has a criminal compulsion towards conning people and destroying lives as his personal release for literally any slight problems he thinks he has to deal with.
I'm glad we can find common ground even if we disagree about Jimmy, anon : ^)
I think Jimmy ultimately made his own choices and I hope his story ends with him actually facing consequences (since Walt pretty much got away with it, which remains my biggest sticking point with Breaking Bad), I just believe that given different circumstances he could have turned out differently
>since Walt pretty much got away with it, which remains my biggest sticking point with Breaking Bad)
Once again we find common ground. I hated Walt's heroic death ending in Breaking Bad. His end should have been excruciatingly painful and full of suffering for all the horror he inflicted upon others he came into contact with.
I believe they did originally want to make his ending more along the lines I envisioned, but probably pussied out due to the cult of personality fans had built around Walt and how badly a truly bad ending for Walt would have went down with viewers.
For this same reason I'm also worried about Saul's ending in BCS, but I actually have hope they might do things differently.
I think Kim is dying of cancer, tbh, and I think Jimmy MIGHT just get there in time to see her die but will be caught in the process and end up in prison for the rest of his life, with only memories of a now deceased Kim, Howard, Chuck and others he infected with his pathology.
Once media reaches a certain level of popularity, fans start treating it as hugbox positive reinforcement and just want to tune in to feel good about themselves and live vicariously through the characters. Walt and his le epic Heisenberg xD persona became a role model for every failson or office drone who felt like he could have done something with his life, man if it weren't for his parents/b***h girlfriend/domineering boss/"backstabbing" friends, etc. I think when Breaking Bad exploded in popularity in season 5 due to Netflix, Vince was afraid of his own audience and didn't want to piss them off, so he delivered a superficially crowd pleasing ending that would make the Heisenberg fanboys feel vindicated and satisfied.
Just look at what happened with Game of Thrones - that final season absolutely fricking had problems, but it was deliberately constructed in a way to challenge and upset the audience - thus it was resoundly rejected by huge portions of the audience. Fanboy redditors got mad that their fan theories didn't pan out, normies got mad the show didn't end with the heroes coming together like the Avengers to defeat the Night King with the power of friendship, and radfem libs saw Dany turning evil as re-living Hillary's loss in 2016 all over again.
Imagine defending got lmao
Despite its flaws, it was honest and stayed true to the themes of the show - the inherent corruptive nature of power, that monarchy a flawed, evil idea to its very core, and the danger of believing in savior figures to solve our problems for us. I'll take that over Breaking Bad's embarrassment of a final season that literally invented a gang of Nazi comic book supervillains just so they could launder away Walt's guilt and give him unambiguously evil bad guys to mow down with a machine gun
Breaking Bad's final season has as many leaps in logic and bizarre time jumps as GoT season 8, people just don't notice because it's EPIC when Heisenberg sciences the SHIT out of the car and kills the Nazis before jumping off a train and using MAGNETS b***h to destroy the evidence lab
>I'll take that over Breaking Bad's embarrassment of a final season that literally invented a gang of Nazi comic book supervillains just so they could launder away Walt's guilt and give him unambiguously evil bad guys to mow down with a machine gun
Dude, I fricking forgot about the whole sniper shit and intimidating the couple he worked with into laundering his money or this megasupersecret sniper assassin who would be watching them 24/7 for all of eternity would snipe them to death if they didn't do as he said after he was dead.
How fricking ridiculous was that shit... like the first thing they would do is just lock themselves in a panic room and dial the fricking cops lmao.
The final season of Breaking Bad was so beyond fricking moronic.
>Monarchy is flawed.
Yeah and they showed this with fricking Westeros shifting to electing democracies, something that takes revolutions and decades of work, in the span of a week
>dangers of saviour figures.
Jon getting shafted so Arya can take the praise for killing the Night King doesn't tackle this issue.
But yeah the literal Nazi bad guys in season 5.
>they showed this with fricking Westeros shifting to electing democracies, something that takes revolutions and decades of work, in the span of a week
Sit down, Uncle, you boring bastard...
>something that takes revolutions and decades of work in the span of a week
the show takes place over the course of like five years millions of people are dead by the time the dust has settled
>jon getting shafted
>NOOOOOOOOO JON WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE WHO DEFEATS THE DARK LORD IN A LIGHTSABER DUEL NOOOOOOO I SPENT YEARS SPECUALTING ABOUT IT ONLINE AVEEEEEEEE MARIAAAAAAAAA
>ARYA DOING A TRIPLE 720 BACKFLIP AFTER DISGUISING HERSELF WITH THE WHITE WALKERS WITH JUST A MASK (fricking lmao) AND THEN DOING SOME ELEMENTARY FEINT MOVE BEFORE STABBING THE KNIGHT KING WAS SO SUBVERSIVE!! I LOVE SUBVERTING MY EXPECTATIONS.!!!
>IT'S BAD BECAUSE I SAY IT IS! IT WASN'T MY HEADCANON!
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE I DIDN'T EXPECT IT!!! I WAS EXPECTING A MEATBALL SUB BUT INSTEAD THEY FED ME SHIT!!! I LOVE SUBVERSIONS!!!
art isn't a menu you food analogy philistine
game of thrones last season is a total hackjob and rushed because the writers wanted to free themselves up for some disney show and that's big facts
It needed another episode or two to properly flesh out its big ideas and provide proper connective tissue between subplots.
Anyone who says it needed another five seasons is either a deranged bookgay or suffering from separation anxiety and can't cope with their favorite show ending
The last season was no worse than season 5 and no amount of extra episodes would save it. Certainly not "another episode or two" kek
No amount of episodes could have made Arya killing the Night king with ninja frickery, leaving the spoilt narcissistic wine aunt as the main villain, fricking good anon.
only replying to the GoT portion here, i disagree strongly. i was the spastic calling out in my circle of friends that danny was evil since the episode were she gave herself the title breaker of chains and then chained her dragons. the revalation that she indeed is evil was everything i was looking forward to, but it fell flat completely. and that mixed in with all the other shit. the fartlike sendoffs to some characters, the fricking pointless white walker shit and most importantly those god awfull shit with characters being 100% surrounded getting saved by a fricking cut, reappearing in other locations later. it was literal dogshit.
I agreed with you for a bit there until you started going off about "muh self inserting normies" and unironically defending GoT's ending.
Haha yeah man that Hilary connection was a hoot
>I'm just saying that if Chuck didn't assume the absolute worst of Jimmy at every turn he might have been a better person
I bet you also only think Black folk commit horrific crimes because white people are big meanies that look down on them, don't you?
>I'm just saying that if Chuck didn't assume the absolute worst of Jimmy at every turn
He only began assuming the worst of him at every turn because he grew up with Jimmy REPEATEDLY choosing the worst path at every fricking turn and requiring everyone else around him to keep picking up the pieces and offer to help him get back on his feet.
Chuck should have just left Jimmy to rot in prison after the Sunroof Fiasco. Honestly, that experience of hard time might honestly have been the one thing that could have straightened Jimmy out and forced him to amend his ways.
Assuming he even made it out of prison alive, which he very well may not have because prisoners are pretty no bullshit and don't have time for smarmy weasels that take advantage and continually step on peoples' toes.
I think the main reason chuck helped Jimmy for the sunroof thing was because he would have been labeled a sex offender which would have lasted longer than prison
I'm probably making shit up but didn't he help him because his mother obviously asked him to bail him out?
pretty sure all you "muh cuck helped jimma" people are totally whiffing
chuck used all his connections to get the book thrown at jimmy for the sunroof, then after he had jimmy completely fricked he listened to jimmy's sob story and let him off the hook
chuck set jimmy up then let him go he didn't rescue him
How the frick did Chuck set Jimmy up for shitting in a sunroof with kids inside? You’re saying Chuck pushed for him to be a sex offender? What is your source on this
The evidence is chuck’s condition which he develops after the sunroof incident. The telepathic strain put on Chuck to take control of Jimmy’s mind manifested as a weakness to electricity
because shitting through a sunroof isn't a big enough deal to have your life completely ruined
>the show dont force feed me the info so it dont real
i thought you guys were the ones always criticizing everyone else for asking for more details and you can't just read between the lines that chuck obviously pushed for a harsh sentence then "saved" his brother by locking him up in the mailroom
There’s a difference between reading between the lines and making up fanfiction with no basis to do so.
>because shitting through a sunroof isn't a big enough deal to have your life completely ruined
Your honor, it was just a prank bruh!
>because shitting through a sunroof isn't a big enough deal to have your life completely ruined
There were kids in the backseat. There were literal kids sitting in the car when some crazed lunatic perches his ass over the sunroof and shat inside the car they were innocently sitting inside.
That would be beyond traumatic for kids.
See you're just like Jimmy, really, you have no ability to see the bigger picture and think about the ramifications and consequences of certain actions.
You're the kind of guy who would get in his car after a few beers and be shocked at why everyone hated you so much and why you were facing serious hard time for plowing into a playpark and destroying it.
But it was just a prank bruh! You're just jealous of muh slippin jimmy! It's not like he's a criminal or anything he just commits crimes sometimes!
Chuck didn’t arrange for Jimmy’s life to be almost ruined, the person, the victim, who filed the sex assault charge did
> chuck used all his connections to get the book thrown at jimmy for the sunroof, then after he had jimmy completely fricked he listened to jimmy's sob story and let him off the hook
This is literally your fanfiction. There isn’t a shred of evidence in the actual show to support it.
>the sex offender sunroof charge was all just a secretive ploy by Chuck in order to frick Jimmy and make him beg Chuck for clemency
Are you black? Seriously, are you fricking black? Do you have ANY idea how the legal system actually fricking works?
Are you high? Chuck was in New Mexico, working all the time in his law firm.
Jimmy was arrested in fricking Illinois. How tf was Jimmy going to jail anything to do with Chuck?
The reason why chuck assumes badly of Jimmy is because Jimmy keeps fricking shit up for everyone. I mean for frick’s sake look at the Howard soda can shit. He learned it from chuck. Chuck would have learned this to prevent from getting pranked by jimmy
Reminder that the central question that both BB and BCS ask the audience is "Can people change, or do they simply reveal their true nature?"
It appears to me the the anons arguing that people can't change, in reference to Jimmy, are also arguing that in an ideal world, he would be killed for incurring a criminal record (see ). This seems unrealistic to me.
You’d like that but a lot of us are arguing he just shouldn’t be a lawyer
>people can change and are more complicated than we think, which is why I know everyone who disagrees with Jimmy is trying to get him executed
Not sure about that one
Even if a company has a bad business strategy you fricking cannot air commercials representing them without their consent especially if that commercial advertises and demands a massive change in workload and business strategy.
Chuck also correctly points out that traditionally lawyers were not permitted to do any form of advertisement. It is a relative innovation for the profession to engage in marketing and there's some pretty strict restrictions under most bar association ethics codes when it comes to how lawyers may advertise. Cliff Maine was fairly reasonable about the whole thing, and being conservative with your ads is the smart thing to do. Lawyers generally aren't big on being cops over each other when it comes to ethics violations but they WILL do it when it comes to lawyers advertising. The most unrealistic thing about Saul's success as a lawyer is how long he got away with airing the sort of ads he was airing in breaking bad. That sort of thing would be grounds for disciplinary action.
>practically rolled out the red carpet for Jimmy and gave him extremely unusual and preferential treatment
Dude handed HHM the sandpiper case on a silver platter. Howard said it was closest thi g to a slam dunk he had ever seen
Any firm would beg Jimmy to be partner. The fact that he couldn't join HHM because of Chuck made him even more desirable for Cliff
>Dude handed HHM the sandpiper case on a silver platter.
He got fricking lucky. Yeah it was an incredible case, he would have settled for almost nothing if it hadn't been for Chuck noticing the gargantuan potential in it and pressing him onward.
Jimmy stumbled into an incredible scoop and Chuck and HH&M turned it into a multimillion megasuit.
He was still in the right. His commercial was objectively better. He was doing Cliff a favour. Clueless boomers should be put in their place, frick them. They know nothing
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then kys
Just lawyers being petty elitist buttholes. If Cliff had said "no this ad is problematic because of legal/bureaucratic reasons" then Jimmy wouldn't have aired it. But Cliff and the partners specifically wanted the blue monotone ad because they had no creativity and zero fricking clue what humans being like and want. They were old, sheltered rich boomers who thought they knew better.
They did know better. Their firm continued to flourish and Jimmy tanked hard. Their business didn't depend on having more aggressive marketing, but on upholding a good reputation and didn't like seeing it tarnished by some 2 bit conman.
That's the thing. While the case Jimmy brought was significant (mostly thanks to Chuck running with what Jimmy brought him and hardballing the care home's legal firm to begin with), HHM or D&M could easily have turned it down or lost it and still been successful, thriving law firms for decades after.
People act like Jimmy stumbling onto this case suddenly made him some lawyer maestro or savant or something...
Just a bunch of chuds with no understanding of the Law or the reality of the American workplace whatsoever.
I pity them.
This. Maybe they should have gotten their civilian peers killed dealing with cartel or destroyed the practice by doing crimes for a meth kingpin, like genius Jimmy did
No they didn't know better. They knew the legal rules, but didn't know entrepreneurship like Jimmy did.
Jimmy could have used his shyster qualities to his own ends as a legit lawyer. That's why Howard was trying to get him to join HHM after Chuck died, because he saw the good in Jimmy and the potential to be a real asset to the firm, but he was too far gone to accept the offer at that point. If season 1 Jimmy were offered that job he would have got on just fine though. He only acted out with Clifford because he was asked to be too buttoned up, but Howard actually valued Jimmy's work ethic and that he would be willing to do things like a commercial that's out of the box for a law firm that Clifford didn't want.
All lawyers are trash though
Jimmy started as a honest lawyer. The reason he turns to cons in season 1 it's because he literally can't make it financially otherwise, and it's all Chuck's fault. If he had been able to join HHM from the start, Jimmy would have stayed honest, as long as people like Chuck, Howard and Kim believed and loved him. The whole reason he decided to become a lawyer was because he saw how well Kimmy regarded Chuck. Jimmy was willing to abandon his conning way, but Chuck literally sent him on a path of self-destruction
>Jimmy started as a honest lawyer.
He was already a felon and a repeat conman and thief and general criminal who only very narrowly escaped a permanent position on the sex offender's register through Chuck's intervention by the time he even became a lawyer through an online Samoan legal course (which he failed the first time).
That was before he got to ABQ. He worked at HHM for years as a honest, law-abiding post officeman. Then he enrolled at the University, got his degree, passed the BAR and after Chuck rejected him from HHM he still practiced as a public defendant for a few years.
Chuck created Saul. There's no question about it. Jimmy was on the right path. Chuck brought him down because he was petty, jealous and arrogant
>He worked at HHM for years as a honest, law-abiding post officeman
By which point he'd already pilfered thousands of dollars from his own fathers, spent years as a street hustler and conman working the streets of Chicago, defecated through a sunroof of a car with children inside and narrowly escape being listed as a sex offender (thanks to Chuck), and God knows what else...
Chuck was privy to all of that information.
How many chances do you think you get when applying to work at a prestigious legal firm, exactly?
>By which point
Yeah years earlier butthole, you literally sound like Chuck "PEOPLE DON'T CHANGE", you're fricking moronic. Because Jimmy made some questionable things in the past then he shouldn't have worked as a lawyer in your mind. God you're stupid.
>By which point he'd already pilfered thousands of dollars from his own fathers
He didn't, did you watch the fricking show? His father had awful, terrible finances and was being scammed by people. It wasn't Jimmy's fault
>spent years as a street hustler and conman working the streets of Chicago
So what? The world is a rich tapestry of buttholed, idiots and drunkards. If you manage to get a few bucks off them with no violence using some creativity where's the harm?
>defecated through a sunroof of a car with children inside and narrowly escape being listed as a sex offender (thanks to Chuck)
there's nothing wrong with shitting in the car of the guy who slept with your wife. His mistake was not checking if it was empty
So let's say Chuck hadn't been able to get Jimmy off on the sex offender registration thing during the Sunroof Fiasco.
You think HH&M would have been open to hiring him then? You think they would even have been open to having him work in their mailroom?
>You think HH&M would have been open to hiring him then? You think they would even have been open to having him work in their mailroom?
No, Jimmy's life would have been very different. Chuck obviously saved him. But we're talking after that. About how is jealousy and arrogance towards Jimmy mixed with the blatant dishonesty and leeching (need I remind you what Jimmy was doing for Chuck?) led Jimmy to commit crimes again (literally the pilot episode). if Chuck hadn't saved Jimmy we wouldn't have a show to talk about.
>if Chuck hadn't saved Jimmy we wouldn't have a show to talk about.
Yep and Chuck is well aware Jimmy was almost a registered sex offender when having to decide upon whether he was the right fit to work at HH&M, the other people at the firm were not.
If all it takes for you to relapse and go back to commit crimes again is someone doubting you or suspecting you due to your 'colorful past' then you're not a mentally stable or reliable person and you absolutely should not be working as a lawyer at a prestigious law firm where you could wreak genuine havoc if you're having a bad day.
This. Nobody in this thread would ever do what Jimmy did, either. You assume it’s a given but it’s absolutely positively not
Oh no! He was dishonest towards a crazy moron who shits on literal children as an act of revenge!! What a meanie!! Why didn't he think of the deranged psychopath's feelings?!?!
Lmao shitting in the car of the dude who fricked your wife while you're drunk isn't "psycopathic" behavior
Okay so I ACCIDENTALLY exposed my shitting butthole to two children, judge, I was drunk!
Cuck mindset
>It wasn't Jimmy's fault
It wasn't Jimmy's fault that he literally stole from his own father? While Jimmy may not have stolen the entire $14,000, he certainly stole a significant portion of it and justified it with 'sucker's giving it away anyway lel'.
I find it hard to believe Jimmy took a significant part of 14,000 dollars by snatching 10s and 5s here and there when his dad was literally giving milk away by the gallon for free to any shlomo with crocodile tears.
>If you manage to get a few bucks off them with no violence using some creativity where's the harm?
The multiple crimes you're committing, I'd imagine.
But this answer has basically confirmed to me you're just trolling and baiting by this point so I won't waste my time any further.
>Then he enrolled at the University, got his degree, passed the BAR
It was an online legal course for 'the University of American Samoa' lmao, which had had to take TWICE since he failed the first time around.
He was trying to join one of the most prestigious legal firms in the country spearheaded by 2 of the finest lawyers in the land (Chuck and Howard).
Even taking all his criminal and awful past out of the equation, what exactly makes you think he was qualified to start at the ground up at a firm like HH&M given the degree he received and how he received it?
I have absolutely no doubt that HH&M would have rejected far, far, far more prestigious, reputable and qualified and capable candidates than Jimmy by the truckload throughout its existence.
Why the frick should Jimmy just get to swan in because he's Chuck's brother? The reason Howard got in due to nepotism was because in addition to being Hamlin's son, he was also an extremely promising lawyer, reputable person, highly qualified and squeaky clean background and had fantastic moral character.
Jimmy had none of those things.
Are you fricking mentally challenged or something?
Not guy and am storming into your debate half way through, but I always thought Chuck had every reason to say 'no' to Jimmy but went about it like a total b***h by hiding behind Howard and clearly being motivated in part by childhood insecurities. With hindsight, his best course was to sit Jimmy down and be totally upfront with him about not giving him a place at HHM straight off the bad but, seeing as how he did pass the bar and could practice law, offer his guidance/support for Jimmy working through the courts, present that like a necessary learning curve and journey he has to undertake, etc. If Jimmy STILL fricks shit up after all that and acts shady, Chuck would have done all he could have and in a honourable, honest fashion
passing the bar on the second try is pretty good. the test is pretty rough, plenty of smart people fail it on the first try. it's a load of bs
Chuck passed it first time, and he didn't pass it on some twobit American Samoa online university either now, did he.
Howard passed it first time. Kim passed it first time.
Face it, Jimmy is weak AF.
The bar exam is a public exam, it's the same exam for everyone, from the best at George town, to some online Samoan school.
Odds are, the reason Jimmy needed two tries was because his course/college was so garbage and didn't give him the same resources that Chuck, Howie and Kim had.
HHM was not one of the best law firms in all the land lol.
It was a very respectable law firm in buttfrick New Mexico, which would probably make it middling by New York standards.
Then why the frick does Jimmy have to try to use nepotism like a slimeball when there are plenty of law firms in the country that would take him!?
Because he’s a naive copycat trying to take shortcuts! And a con man!
Because he had sent years of his life in the mailroom making connections. Getting a job is always about who you know. He had the perfect recipe to get a job at HHM.
When he didn't, he had no other recourse but to become a public defendant.
>Because he had sent years of his life in the mailroom making connections. Getting a job is always about who you know. He had the perfect recipe to get a job at HHM.
Ok, well then he should have either tried to make connections elsewhere OR not spent several decades abusing Chuck's trust! "Connections" is a double edged sword. The whole idea is that you can vouch for someone. Chuck could vouch for Jimmy the mailroom clerk, but he couldn't vouch for Jimmy the attorney. Simple as that!
>When he didn't, he had no other recourse but to become a public defendant.
And that's fine. Do you think he's "too good" to be a public defender?
The problem with being a public defender is that you earn jack shit from it.
Jimmy was barely getting by on $700 a day and needed a better source of income.
How do other lawyers do it? I feel for Jimmy because Chuck was falsifying himself as a connection for Jimmy and sabotaging his connections to the rest of the firm, but once the cards are on the table choosing to push through using crime is not really the intuitive decision
>The problem with being a public defender is that you earn jack shit from it.
Oh no! The lifetime criminal isn't immediately earning as much as someone who worked hard for their whole life? Such injustice!
>Jimmy was barely getting by on $700 a day and needed a better source of income.
Why did he "need" more income? Sounds pretty entitled.
>lifetime criminal
Hustling people out of money/ swindling people can't be proven in court nor can you be convicted for it. Dumb people get scammed all the time and it's almost impossible to prosecute people for it. It's why Indian scammers never seem to get caught.
He only did one thing that he could be condemned for, and his brother bailed him out of it.
So it can't bar him from any job opportunities.
>Why did he need more than $700 a day
Do you know how long some lawyers can spend preparing a suitable defense for their clients?
Some lawyers could work over 60 hours to defend one client, earning $700 for 60 hours of work is less than minimum wage for a degree that is very hard to get.
>already a felon
they don't let felons be lawyers. Jimmy's arrests were all petty misdemeanors.
Chuck saved him from a felony charge that he arguably deserved.
I mean it sounds harsh but imagine you’re a parent and someone you’re beefing with shows his shitting butthole to your children even by accident
>The whole reason he decided to become a lawyer was because he saw how well Kimmy regarded Chuck
Kim always had a crush on Jim. The reason Jimmy became a lawyer was for his brother's approval, you can literally see in that scene where Chuck is talking to Kim in the flash back that he feels left out not being able to discuss law with his brother, and wants a part of that.
He was even shocked when Chuck, his own brother wasn't proud of him. Since that's all he wanted.
What a sick joke.
You're moronic.
Chuck never loved Jimmy. Jimmy got their parents' attention and was a problem child into problem adult who never faced consequences.
Chuck was someone who felt he always 'played by the rules' and it left him unhappy with a failed marriage. Being a lawyer while Jimmy was in the mail room was the only way he could cope and believe that life made sense, that he was still better than Jimmy because he was a better person.
He couldn't handle treating Jimmy as an equal because it made Chuck feel inferior. That slips through in both his big rants at Jimmy. It was never that Jimmy was illegitimate, or that Chuck knew he would turn crooked, it was purely that Chuck did not think he deserved it.
>Chuck never loved Jimmy.
Wow. Delusional even by Jimcel standards.
This delusion. If Chuck never loved Jimmy he would've cut him off a long time ago. The fact that he still has some fraternal love for Jimmy is what allows Jimmy to take advantage of him time and time again.
>Chuck holds the law sacred
>Scoffs at Jimmy passing the Bar fair and square cause he didn’t go the big law schools.
based, sucks I missed this thread. dabbing on jimmygays is great
>never loved jimmy
lol redditors love rewriting history
Chuck was an insecure jealous gay especially for using Howard as a shield to not hire Jimmy at HHM but at the end of the day he was justified. Jimmy working at HHM would’ve led to the same thing that happened with him at Davis and Maine, he would’ve inevitably slipped because these firms are straight-edge and don’t fit him. Even if you see chuck as the bad guy for ‘stopping’ jimmy from becoming a lawyer (which I’d argue is fair considering what he’s become now) all he really did was stop jimmy from working at HHM. He could’ve easily proven Chuck wrong by doing it straight and Davis and Maine but we all saw how that ended
Yeah Chuck has some good points but the reason he's making the points is because he's bitter and resentful that people like Jimmy and don't like him, despite considering himself to be the better person. This is exactly why autists empathize with Chuck, they're also bitter they're not valued since they hold themselves in high regard and think others should too.
But there is something to that, is being funny when talking really worth hurting all these people? They might not see it that way but it’s sensible a lawyer who takes his job and character seriously does
Yeah there's something to it but Chuck ultimately doesn't have good intentions, that's why this is such an interesting juxtaposition between the two characters viewpoints. Chuck is just bitter, wants to control people, and conceals that by outwardly being all about "muh rules". He holds the law to be sacred but at the end of the day...is it?
Meanwhile Jimmy sometimes has better intentions but since he has no regard for the rules, formally he's a "bad person". Jimmy is the way he is because he watched his dad get fricked over for being a naive good guy basically.
Also its not like people don't get hurt because you follow the rules. They still do, but it just appears "legitimate" and therefore "doesn't count", lol. Like another poster said they were fricking Kim over with Mesa Verde but its not considered immoral because its all above board, its not illegal. But Jimmy just sees someone he cares about getting fricked, he doesn't consider rules or laws to be sacred.
Ultimately I side more with Jimmy but I acknowledge Chuck makes some good points.
While believing in the letter of the law might be a bit archaic, I think if the law exists then people are right not to want criminals running it
I mean they do though, the justice system is extremely fricked up and corrupt. Sort of like closing the barn door after the horse has already bounced, isn't it?
I can see where someone doesn’t take that as meaning you should just let anyone in
My point is holding the law as sacred is kind of moronic, it obviously isn't sacred, its been extremely corrupted. Chuck is ultimately just larping.
Not what I'm saying dumb frick, see the above and chill with your autistic raging and strawmans.
Again, not what I said, chill with the strawmans.
>le strawmannerino xD
It's cute you just learned your first fallacy but you should probably get a clearer understanding of what a strawman is before repeatedly misattributing it to people.
>you're just insisting everything is bad as possible and criminals belong there
>literal criminals and human garbage is preferable to it
Didn't say either of the above, neither is either of the above part of my stance, moron. You can deny all you want to save face on an anonymous image board but yeah, you strawmanned. Go slink off, you're my intellectual inferior.
>Because the law isn’t actually sacred it’s okay to corrupt?
Uh, is that what I'm saying? Do you maybe want to go reread my posts?
>If the law is even almost completely corrupt, the only reason to add more corrupt lawyers to it is because you think that’s where they belong and you want them to get in on the grift. I don’t know what Chuck’s law career was really like but if he hasn’t participated in flagrant corruption then he’s not going to feel on the side of corrupt law and won’t be an ally to a corrupt lawyer
All a red herring beside the point, the point is that Chuck holding the law to be sacred is just a larp. Its like someone holding the a church to be sacred when it is extremely deviant from traditional religious practices just because it still resembles the form of a church.
All it takes to disprove that the law is sacred is to look at how corrupt it is. We can all agree it shouldn't be this way, but fact of the matter is it is this way and pretending otherwise is just delusional. Chuck is just larping and his whole supposed reverence for the law is just a covert way to elevate himself as a lawyer. If he happened to be a priest he'd do the same type of schtick with the church, or if he was a politician, the government. Its not about the law ultimately, its about Chuck's ego, which is largely defensive since it feels aggrieved that people find Jimmy more likable.
I agree Chuck is arrogant and uses his status as a lawyer for selfish and elitist reputation purposes, but how cynical would you have to be to say ‘ah screw it the law doesn’t matter that much, this guy should be a felon but frick it, I’ll just hire him because he wants the status and money’. I do get what you’re saying, and a lot of decent people would make that decision, probably most people would, but that does mean taking the law as a joke and just some stupid amoral thing
>I agree Chuck is arrogant and uses his status as a lawyer for selfish and elitist reputation purposes, but how cynical would you have to be to say ‘ah screw it the law doesn’t matter that much, this guy should be a felon but frick it, I’ll just hire him because he wants the status and money’.
I'm not saying that Chuck should have hired him. What I'm saying is that Chuck's claimed reasoning is bullshit, and you can tell because of scenes in the show revealing to us how bitter he is towards Jimmy and that he holds a grudge against him (and imo the entire world) for not getting the admiration from others he feels he deserves, and also we can tell from inconsistencies in Chuck's own claimed logic.
Like you're saying that Jimmy is always going to be a criminal, therefore he shouldn't be hired as a lawyer right? Okay. If that's Chuck's reasoning, why did he hire him at all? Even if Jimmy works in the mail room he's still going to be a criminal, right? Wouldn't you not want a criminal to work for you in any capacity, regardless of the particular role? You can say "Oh well Chuck is doing Jimmy a solid because Jimmy is his brother", but you're basically saying Chuck is willing to ignore that Jimmy is a repeat criminal and let him work at his firm, against your own point! But just not as a lawyer, I guess.
Could it be that Chuck really simply wants to maintain value over Jimmy in the one thing he holds over him, the fact that he's a respected lawyer? Hm...that seems to be much more consistent with all of Chuck's actions than Chuck being some pure righteous soul...seems to make a lot more sense.
> I do get what you’re saying, and a lot of decent people would make that decision, probably most people would, but that does mean taking the law as a joke and just some stupid amoral thing
I mean, it is honestly dude. Look at the world. Law is sacred - how? We living in the same world? People like Chuck are basically like "dude just pretend with me", lol.
Well a lawyer is an agent of the law and is responsible for the lives and criminal records of his clients, a mailman can get into trouble sure but in an office it’s just legwork
Ah okay, so just to be clear, it is totally okay to have a criminal work for you who will definitely engage in criminal behavior again - so long as he's the mailguy? Lmfao
You’re right Chuck was trapping Jimmy in a dead-end job he could supervise, control and realistic to calmly quarantine him under. That’s very evil of Chuck and is easily the real worst unforgivable thing he has done, but it doesn’t mean he has to give him a job as a lawyer, or that being a criminal lawyer isn’t way worse than being a criminal office mailboy
Nah you're doing red herring shit again. I'm not saying that Chuck is evil or whatever, I'm saying his own reasoning doesn't actually make sense and isn't consistent with his actions.
If you don't want Jimmy to be a lawyer because you know for a dead certainty that he will engage in criminal behavior, then by that logic you shouldn't want him working at your firm at all, even in a very lowly role like mailroom guy. I mean just imagine him telling Howard "hey this guy is a criminal and I know for a dead fact he will do criminal shit again - don't ask me how I know I just do, okay? - but I'm hiring him on as mailroom guy."
Anyone in their right mind would be like wtf, no I don't want a criminal working for me at all, that obviously incurs some risk for me.
So basically Chuck is applying this reasoning selectively, he applies it when he doesn't want Jimmy to be a lawyer, but chooses not to apply it Jimmy gets hired as mailroom guy. Why is that the case? Why the hypocrisy? Its because that isn't Chuck's real reason. The real reason is emotional in nature.
Chuck holds lawyers to a higher standard than office workers and their help, which makes sense because lawyer is a special certification personally responsible for the lives and criminal records of their clients
Yeah now you're just being reductionist, so to prevent you from ignoring the point:
You think its okay to hire someone you know for sure will do criminal shit provided its a role like mailroom? This is totally fine, right? No one should have an issue with this.
Nah obviously it isn't a consistent position which is why you're trying to sidestep it, pretty poorly.
Felons can be office workers but not lawyers. Yes Chuck is taking that line into his own hands because Jimmy really isn’t a felon, but I’m not being reductionist by saying there is a real difference between an ex-con working the mailroom and an ex-con being a lawyer. Again Jimmy isn’t technically an ex-con in the eyes of the law (which Chuck should respect if he claims the law is sacred, I agree with that), but if Chuck feels like he pulled strings and is personally responsible for waiving that felony charge, then it makes sense he would internally consider Jimmy a felon and not fit for practicing law
Felons actually can become lawyers, so idk where this is coming from. Looks like only three states don't allow it and New Mexico isn't one of those states. You're shifting the goalposts, now its about like Jimmy's "virtual felon" status and Chuck regretfully can't let Jimmy become a lawyer because he's technically kinda-sorta a felon in Chuck's eyes? Lol, just pilpul honestly.
Also you are being reductionist. Is there a difference, yes of course. But your original stance was that Chuck won't let Jimmy be a lawyer because he knows for a fact Jimmy will engage in criminal behaviors. However, any reasonable person would also find that to disqualify you from working for them in general. It only makes sense if you apply it selectively - in other words, its hypocrisy.
Real reason is emotional, Chuck just finds something that sounds lofty to support his emotional grievances and desires. Its not so much that Chuck holds the law sacred, its that Chuck holds Chuck sacred, and he happens to be a lawyer.
Huh I guess you’re right I don’t know how my first google search led me to believe the whole country forbid ex-con lawyers. You’re right. The whole fact is that Chuck gave Jimmy a dead end job in his mailroom in order to keep him under his own watch and control and fool him into not taking other jobs as a lawyer, which I agree is evil and is the real reason why Chuck is a villain and not entirely right. Chuck overreaches and claims he has to control the morality of the whole law and not just the part of it that’s under his purview, which is his real crime and what proves he’s some type of megalomaniac. However a criminal lawyer is still more dangerous than a criminal office mailboy, and Jimmy does jump straight to crime when frustrated. Jimmy does have a deep-seated willingness to do this level of personal crime, that honestly none of us in the thread have. Would becoming a lawyer through Chuck be the perfect rehabilitation? I can see it, but we know now that Jimmy’s quick response to people not putting up with him (including Kim) is to dive into crime for the power and thrill. It’s evil to keep him down by giving him a fake job, but it’s completely fair to have seen this demonstrated and to not trust him as an employee at your law firm
I wouldn't go so far to describe Chuck as evil, all his sins are very human sins. I would say he's not a good brother on the whole though and doesn't understand the value of a bond with your sibling.
And yeah I also agree, Chuck was correct in that Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer. Its all the stuff surrounding that conclusion that I take issue with. If Chuck was a more balanced person without his own weird issues, he could've just been straight up with Jimmy from the start "Look I love you but its just in your nature to be this way and you should find an outlet to express that without breaking the law or getting yourself in trouble".
He also could have named his grievances about their father to Jimmy directly and tried to understand his side of it, they could have maybe come to an understanding. I think Chuck dropped the ball in his natural duties as an older brother. But I'm also of the mindset that family comes before anything else, so could just be me projecting my own values.
I agree with all that you’re saying but it’s also in a way like, how carefully do you have to handle this Jimmy guy for him not to get bored or angry and start hurting people? Alright sure Chuck did a lot to start that all back up again, but even after Chuck is gone Jimmy is spiraling and spiraling. I am just very convinced nobody in this thread would act the way he did. The show makes it seem normal or a given that this is what happens, but that’s because it is Jimmy’s nature to quickly act this way. People watch him doctor a legal document and then lie about it for an hour and they’re thinking it’s just something you do when you’re mad. Fricking nobody does that
Yeah I do think its Jimmy's nature to be this way, but I think it all goes back to his anger at his dad being victimized. He basically saw at a young age how his dad would be taking advantage of and he concluded - you're either a sucker or you're the one ripping the sucker off, that's life. Its his understanding of power and human beings naturally try to become powerful. So if he goes with hoodwinking someone for too long, he starts to think "frick maybe I'm the sucker, just like my dad was".
Its kinda similar to kids being molested and growing up to molest others. That's their understanding of power relationships. In this case Jimmy's dad was a good man, but not a strong man, and I think in their own ways Chuck and Jimmy both became strong men, but not good men. They see it as mutually exclusive.
That said there are probably ways that Jimmy can get that feeling of hoodwinking someone without actually breaking the law or hurting them, but since nobody really understands Jimmy, they don't understand how to help him.
Chuck could have probably played a much better role in Jimmy's life but Chuck also was hiding from himself so he lacked insight in general.
Yeah ultimately it adds up into someone who seriously hurts and takes advantage of people because he hates to see people get taken advantage of
Its the "the world is a jungle" view of life. You're either the hunter or the prey. That's why people who get victimized early on in life, they often go on to victimize others. They get this understanding of life that its a jungle and the only way to not be prey is to be a predator.
Lots of works examine this theme, BCS just does so in an interesting way.
Yeah which means Jimmy doesn’t respect society or the law
Yeah for sure, he has no respect for either. Like in the case of Kim, Jimmy doesn't really give a shit that she was hurt via "above board" methods, he only cares that she was hurt.
So I credit Chuck for seeing that Jimmy doesn’t respect the law, is all
It really depends on your politics and belief in the law but I don’t see why belief in law as a means to sacred justice means you should allow corruption in it
For
Never said corruption should be allowed in it, I'm saying it's corrupt. Cope all you want, that's the reality of the situation.
That’s fine but that doesn’t mean a law partner would want to hire someone he believes corrupts the law further
homie I already said Chuck was right to say Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer, Jesus stand down big dog, lmfao
Also, this all is represented in Chuck's electricity thing too. Chuck wants everyone to just pretend with him that he's allergic to electricity, and he really, really believes he is. Just one problem - its all bullshit! Same with him holding the law as sacred. No doubt Chuck feels very strongly about it, unfortunately feeling very strongly about something doesn't make it true! Lmfao
Because the law isn’t actually sacred it’s okay to corrupt? If the law is even almost completely corrupt, the only reason to add more corrupt lawyers to it is because you think that’s where they belong and you want them to get in on the grift. I don’t know what Chuck’s law career was really like but if he hasn’t participated in flagrant corruption then he’s not going to feel on the side of corrupt law and won’t be an ally to a corrupt lawyer
The law IS sacred. Its what allowed us to become civilised and stop little people from worrying about foreign pillagers destroying their lands, killing their children and raping their wives.
It becoming corrupted to serve other people's needs is also why it is sacred, it needs good people protecting it and upholding it. Like all other sacred things made with the best of intentions.
Nah the law itself isn't sacred, what it serves is sacred, and law derives its value from what it serves, it has no inherent value in itself. What is truly sacred is by definition not corruptible. The principle of Justice in this case is what is truly sacred. Only a fool takes what is man-made and corruptible to be sacred.
You can diminish the mediums by which we approach sacredness by corrupting those mediums
Agreed, but that's beside the point. Chuck is attached to the law, not to Justice.
If it were that simple he would have let Jimmy rot in jail for shitting through the sunroof
Didn't he do that because his mom begged him? I agree though Chuck isn't so simple but he has a tenous appreciation for true Justice at best.
>he has a tenous appreciation for true Justice at best.
More than Jimmy at least, by a lightyear or two...
Not sure about that one. Chuck is perfectly okay with fricking someone over, just so long as its technically legal. That's one of the cool things about the show is that Chuck and Jimmy are much more similar than either one of them suspects.
Their attitude might be similar in a vague way but the actual degree of "fricking someone over" is lightyears apart.
How many people has Chuck gotten killed? Just himself, really..
Goalposts keep on shifting. Yeah Jimmy has had worse consequences for people, but that doesn't mean Chuck is therefore a saint by comparison. Chuck's just a regular human being with regular sins, nothing more, nothing less. You could make Jimmy Satan himself if you wanted, doesn't somehow magically elevate Chuck to some sacred status.
I'm not shifting goalposts. I just think there's a huge difference between the two. Am I wrong? I never said Chuck did nothing wrong. Maybe some other anon did but not me. I just think it's disingenuous to try to conflate the two when one is a narcissist con artist who goes out of his way to hurt people.
Yeah I’m with the other guy, you’re taking away the value of any morality. Yes someone can be more moral than the other, yes one person can have killed and hurt less people than another. What are you even thinking?
That's like saying medicine isn't sacred, but what it serves is sacred. Medicine is also a field that gets co-opted by corrupt bastards, like big pharma, trying to deny people fundamental rights our ancestors fought to give us, like the law.
If the law were upheld by only lawyers like Chuck McGill, it would be a fair system for everyone and there would be no inequality. That in principle makes it sacred.
I mean yeah medicine isn't sacred. The frick do you think "sacred" even means anyway? You use the term extremely liberally
Well then at that point the only thing sacred is just the Baby Jesus.
I don't know, he did technically extort Kim, thats not someone i'd want defending me
Extorting Kim by putting her in doc review? If anything he was extorting Jimmy, someone he clearly had a personal vendetta towards that didn't reflect his abilities as a lawyer.
Just because there is some frickery and corruption in the US legal system doesn't mean it's null and void and that literal criminals and human garbage is preferable to it, moron.
Holy shit, why are literally all jimmygays fricking manchildren.
While there’s a lot of problems with the justice system, you’re just insisting everything is bad as possible and criminals belong there. I mean come on how corrupt must the law be in order to add corruption to it and say it’s not adding to the corruption
Anon this is Cinemaphile, you're wasting your time trying to get anons to have a nuanced understanding of character motivations and morality. Jimmy clearly should have lied down and let Chuck cuck and sneed him because two diametrically opposed characters can't possibly both be in the wrong at the same time. One is wrong all the time and the other is right all the time and never does anything wrong or morally dubious, and that character just so happens to be my favorite!
>t. Chuckcel
>he was bitter people found Jimmy charming
you're right, they're ripping off the sneedsons
You're wrong.
Cancer man is going to have collapsed and hit his head in his front hallway due to the mix of barbiturates, alcohol and his cancer meds.
Jimmy is going to have to choose between getting caught and letting the man die.
And he's going to choose to get caught.
It's the opposite of Walter and Jane.
Chuck was mentally ill in his own right but he was absolutely right that it's just Jimmy's nature to con people. He literally can't help himself. He took down HHM in the end, just not in the way he anticipated. Chuck is one of the best characters in the show because he was the one who saw through his bullshit, but he was so spiteful it ended up his own downfall as well.
I just wish Chuck had succeeded in disbarring Jimmy and reigned supreme with Howard as his righthand man.
Not my call.
I wanted a series of Howie and Chuck building HHM.
>What is it about normaloids that makes them incapable of acknowledging people they identify with are evil?
They'll never change. They'll never change! Ever since they started watching TV, always the same! Couldn't believe that a series could have a genuinely evil protagonist! "He's just misguided", "He's really a good guy at heart". While he's robbing cancer patients blind! And they get to run society? What a sick joke!
HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF!!!
Post Chuck memes
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UvF8SSZ3AQ4
>After last night’s episode his words have finally rung true in a way that can no longer be denied
you didn't see the four seasons of Breaking Bad with Saul that already proved this?
Yes, I already saw it seasons ago... but last night surely even the normals were confronted with the undeniable truth... and yet still they refute it.
Why does Gene need to steal so much money? It's already been shown that he's scammed loads of people, and even has to hide all the money under the sink, but he's willing to go as far as to risk breaking into a home with someone who's possibly already wearing the effects. of narcotics. What does he need so much money for?
He doesn't need to, he is compelled to just for the sake of scamming. He gets off on the thrill, the rush, the planning, the success.
It's exactly like Chuck says, he NEEDS to con people, he NEEDS to hurt people... so why not just own it and stop being sorry for it.
I assume it's so he can afford the means to get to Florida safely.
im pretty sure jimmy already explained it, he's basically compelled to do it because of his father
he cant look at a schmuck and NOT rip him off, only difference now is that he has no restraint or morals
Yeah which really means Jimmy has a compulsion to scam any mark, which is so extreme not even being a family member will save you or give him pause
He's gone off the rails after the phone conversation with kim
If Chuck gave his brother some love and helped him get a job, Jimmy would have probably stopped scamming. Dumb ass homie
>If Chuck gave his brother some love and helped him get a job,
He did exactly that after the sunroof fiasco, fricking moron.
It's stated that Chuck and the rest of the family already did that for decades and he took advantage of them. Fricking speedwatcher...
It had been working at that point too, it only stopped working when Chuck stopped Jimmy from moving forward in his career.
Nope. Saul made a choice and that choice has nothing to do with his brother.
>t. Free willet.
Saul's family has obviously a great situation (they owned an store). Saul was robbing his own father since he was a kid. I hope Saul not only ends up in jail, but that he gets a life sentence for killing that cancer guy.
>even after he broke into a cancerman’s house to rob him and may end up having to kill him.
Why would you think this is what he's doing,,when they show the scene in parallel with him going to talk to Walt?
He's also going to rope that dude into some scheme, the last scene with the cops arriving is a red herring
Saul is an adult, he's always been able to make his own choices.
it's a prequel you always knew it was true
This lmao
You knew Saul was a piece of shit before even going into BCS
What type of psycho SECRETLY get a law degree online for four years while seeing his lawyer brother daily and just assuming, taking it as a total given, that this brother would just give him a law job at his business? I mean what the hell is that?
But the rest of the firm did want to hire him. The only one that didn't was Chuck, because of his ego.
>The only one that didn't was Chuck, because of his ego.
No, it's because Chuck was the only one who truly knew Jimmy for what he was having grown up with him and witnessed his nature firsthand and dealt with the sunroof charge and stealing from his own father and everything else that Jimmy had been involved in.
If others had known about that... they probably would have been a lot more hesitant to take Jimmy on too.
This. He was used to Jimmy 'going straight' for extended periods only to return to his rascally ways. He did nothing wrong.
Not really, it was because of his ego. He grew up seeing Jimmy as inferior and when Jimmy was beginning to surpass him he did everything in his power to prevent that. "Muh sanctity of the law" was always a cope Chuck used to try and hide his egotistical nature.
Did he handle it perfectly? No, of course not. But was not hiring Jimmy the correct action? Yes. Absolutely. Just look at how Jimmy's life ended up. He's a fricking psycho.
>NOOO AS A KID HE DID SOME STUPID STUFF AND PRANKED PEOPLE THAT'S LITERALLY INEXCUSABLE I WAS A MODEL STUDENT WHO NEVER DID NO WRONG
imagine unironically agreeing with chuck because a kid behaves like a kid lmao
And Chuck, who had known Jimmy all his life, was in the best position to judge his fitness for the job. It seriously baffles me how Jimmygays seem to think Jimmy was owed a job at a prestigious firm just because he passed the bar, that’s not how the legal job market works
>It seriously baffles me how Jimmygays seem to think Jimmy was owed a job at a prestigious firm just because he passed the bar,
Except that's not what happens in the show you fricking moron, what happens is that the firm is willing to hire him and then Chuck blocks it because it would hurt his ego. If nobody else at the firm wanted Jimmy you'd have a point but he was popular there and if Chuck didn't veto it he would have had a job as a lawyer there because Howard recognised his skills.
If Jimmy was some delusional moron who expected a job at a place nobody liked him then you'd have an argument. But the firm actually did want him and he was blocked by Chuck. That's not Jimmy being entitled, that's Chuck fricking over his brother because of his own ego.
Chuck recognized that Jimmy was dangerous. He's capable of playing 'good boy' for a while, but he always slips up and returns to being a criminal, as is proven in the show
Howard was a nepotism hire. Jimmy didn't deserve the job after immediately passing the bar, but Chuck should have had an honest conversation with his brother - tell him to keep his nose clean, put in the work, prove his worth as a lawyer and then they could reassess in a year or two.
Chuck chose instead to hide behind Howard's skirts, because whatever his valid concerns with Jimmy as a lawyer, he's ultimately a petty coward who resents that his brother is likable despite his flawed past
This is the one and only thing I think Chuck did wrong. Should’ve just outright told Jimmy that he’s not going to work at HHM and why.
Chuck is a name fricking partner, if he doesn’t want someone at the firm with his name on the door he’s got every right to block them. It’s not a democracy. Jimmy was a piece of shit that no sane firm with complete information would hire.
Okay, doesn't change the fact that the rest of the firm wanted him and it was only Chuck that blocked it, out of spite. The fact he even hid the fact that it was only him that was impeding Jimmy shows that even Chuck knew what he was doing was fricked up.
>out of spite.
It wasn't just out of spite. Yeah, there was some spite, but it was spite based on decades of being manipulated. And like the other anon said, the other members of the firm didn't know Jimmy like Chuck did. Ultimately, his decision was justified.
>but Chuck should have had an honest conversation with his brother - tell him to keep his nose clean, put in the work, prove his worth as a lawyer and then they could reassess in a year or two.
If Chuck was having an honest conversation with Jimmy then he would have to tell him that he's never giving him a job at HHM and he won't be approving even if he works as a lawyer elsewhere. Jimmy had already done good, honest work as a lawyer for a while and Chuck still didn't want him on, and it wasn't just out fo concern for HHM, he jsut didn't want Jimmy being a lawyer under any circumstances.
>he jsut didn't want Jimmy being a lawyer under any circumstances.
That's honestly a completely reasonable point of view, given how Jimmy's life ended up!
Sure, right, but my point is that Chuck assumes people deserve to be defined by their worst mistakes rather than forgive and attempt to raise them up.
And there is A B S O L U T E L Y personal resentment that factors into Chuck's view of Jimmy, they wouldn't have included the Rebecca flashback otherwise.
Jimmy didn’t make “mistakes,” he spent decades scamming everyone, including his own parents. So much so that he was a fricking urban legend in Chicago. At some point it’s not a mistake, it’s just who you are.
I agree, I'm just saying that if we were to assume Chuck would have even been willing to have an honest conversation with Jimmy abou working at HHM, then that conversation wouldn't have involved Chuck discussing considering Jimmy for the position later down the line. He would have never let Jimmy be a lawyer anywhere under any circumstances if it were in his power.
>It seriously baffles me how Jimmygays seem to think Jimmy was owed a job at a prestigious firm just because he passed the bar
He didn't just pass the bar, he also brought them a huge case and was still rejected. He had proven his competency enough that the only reason he wasn't getting a job there was because Chuck was making an active effort to keep him out, so whether he was owed a job there or had he really earned it is all a moot point because he had doen everything he could do to earn it, it wouldn't have been a nepotism hire had he been brought on. It was his connection to Chuck that acted as the one thing keeping him from getting a job he otherwise would have been accepted for, it was not the thing that made him a candidate for the job in the first place.
He brought them one case that Chuck did quite a bit of the legwork on. That doesn’t change who he is as a person and doesn’t entitle him to shit.
I don’t care how many NPCs Jimmy won over with his slippin charisma, Chuck was still right to keep that shit out of his firm
>That doesn’t change who he is as a person and doesn’t entitle him to shit.
He brought one huge case to them that Howard would have been willing to hire him for, and Davis & Main were willing to hire him for it when HHM wouldn't. Who he is as a person is beside the point at that stage, he had proven himself to be a competent enough lawyer that the two firms would be happy to have him on, he only didn't get the HHM job because his brother happens to work there and happens to think Jimmy is bad to the bone. Whether Chuck is right about that or not, it doesn't change that he was the one thing that stood in the way of a job that Jimmy was otherwise totally qualified for and otherwise would have had.
>Who he is as a person is beside the point at that stage
>you didn’t frick up for the first time in your life so character is no longer relevant
No. Dude literally took a shit in a car with children inside and stole thousands of dollars from his own parents. You cannot reasonably expect Chuck to just look past these things.
>and stole thousands of dollars from his own parents
Nope, his dad was just a sucker who gave free handouts to any con artist with a sob story. Jimmy may have taken money a few times but it wouldn't have made any difference on the finances as a whole with a moronic father like that.
>Nope, his dad was just a sucker who gave free handouts to any con artist with a sob story.
What do you think is more likely, the dad giving handouts without ever recording it in his books once or Slippin homosexual doing what he does and scamming people?
I think it's a case of both things compounding on themselves. Jimmy's dad would have gone out of business because he's a gullible moron. Because he's a gullible moron, Jimmy would learn how to take advantage of gullibility and moronation. there's wolves and there's sheep
His braindead father for sure.
We literally see Jimmy steal money from his dad in the show. Not a surprise that Jimmygays are speedwatchers I guess
You also see Jimmy's dad being conned and giving out handouts to some stranger in the show.
And Jimmy worked there, giving him more chances to steal than scammers would have to scam the dad.
That Jimmy stole some money from the cash register goes without saying, but his dad wasn't actually a good businessman and he did give out money just from hearing a sob story as Jimmy said.
Yes, the same episode where's voluntarily conned after his son warns him not to. Some people just want to be taken advantage of. Suckers.
>Jimmy only stole SOME of the money
Well, gee, I guess that makes it okay then. So instead of $14,000... Jimmy was maybe resonsible for closer to like... $3-4000 (super conservative estimate)?
All is forgiven.
You're so raging mad that you're either replying to yourself or some other anon who essentially agreed with you lmao
Yep, because he got caught. Otherwise he would have remained Jimmy's leech for the rest of miserable life, making his brother wake up 5am every day to indulge his mental illness
It’s true Chuck is a leech I just don’t think this proves Jimmy became a straight shooter and doesn’t jump to crime and cons as a personal thrill when encountering any difficulty
Jimmy was a wolf, he saw his dad was going to put himself out of business anyway with his moronation, despite Jimmy's warnings, and decided to feast whilst he still could.
He didn't even look happy when he first took the money, he took it with anger on his face sort of saying, "look what you made me do, dad."
I'm not talking about Chuck's opinion, I'm talking about the opinion of the firm, and it was the opinion of everyone at the firm but Chuck that Jimmy would be a good hire. Even with his sleaziness and past issues, he would have been hired, it was just Chuck's personal feeliings towards him that got in the way. If we're just talking about whether he was qualified for the position or not then who he is as a person is beside the point at that stage because the willingness of everyone but the person who grew up around Jimmy and grew to be very spiteful of him because of it says that he is qualified for the job.
I already explained that Chuck was a name partner and it was his decision. The opinion of “the firm” is irrelevant, Chuck IS the firm
No shit, that's why he didn't get the job, the point is that he was completely qualified for the job and only didn't get it because of his relationship with Chuck. You could be the most overqualified person in the world for a job and the boss might choose not to hire you just because they know you and dislike you, and even if that keeps you from getting the job, it doesn't change that you're qualified for it.
To be fair Chuck is a partner at the firm and he doesn’t have to hire someone who has a bad reputation and he knows has committed felonies despite having been helped to avoid the charge
That's true, and it's clear Chuck has genuine concerns about Jimmy's ethics, and they're well-founded, but if a lawyer who had proven himself as competent as Jimmy came in and had the approval of Howard as Jimmy did, evenif they had a spotty past like Jimmy also has, he probably wouldn't have been as adamant that this person not be hired at any cost. He was like that with Jimmy because he held a lot of resentment towards him and didn't like the idea of him being his peer in addition to his concerns about Jimmy's ethics.
I agree Chuck is probably too much but at the same time, whether he’s your brother or not, if there’s some crazy uptight lawyer you demand a job from who has extremely protective ideas about the law that don’t include employing you, that’s just another guy whose standard you don’t meet and who retains the power not to hire you.
>he was completely qualified
No he wasn’t. Lifetime of dishonesty and a criminal record doesn’t add up to “qualified.”
And only WASN'T registered as a sex offender over that due to Chuck rescuing him. Imagine if Chuck had simply refused to get him off of that charge. Imagine if Chuck had been UNABLE to get him off of that charge.
Who in HH&M would have supported hiring a registered sex offender to work for them? In fact who would have even approved a registered sex offender working as some lackey in the fricking mailroom of HH&M?
Nobody.
But yeah, Chuck's totally the villain. Chuck is the bad guy. Chuck is the reason Jimmy did the awful things he had been doing up until that point and continued to do after Chuck refused to hire him as a lawyer.
Chuck was a principled man, a deeply principled man, and that is the prime reason he refused to hire Jimmy at HH&M.
The firm came first, and Chuck knew Jimmy was, at best, far too big of a risk to take on, and at worst may actively have destroyed the firm (which he ultimately ended up doing anyway after effectively indirectly killing Chuck AND Howard).
Jimmy is beyond human garbage and I cannot seriously believe people unironically still try to defend him by this point.
It wasn't just charisma though. He had already proven himself competent at that point. He placed a massive multi-million dollar class-action lawsuit in HHM's lap. He was popular at the firm, Howard wanted him, and he was actively showing how his work positively benefitted the firm. At that point in forming the class action lawsuit everything Jimmy had done was completely above board. The only reason Chuck had to block him was spite, he was actively proving at that point that he could be a lawyer on the straight and narrow. Chuck only blocked him out of spite because having Jimmy as his peer would damage his ego massively.
Not every lawyer at a prestigious law firm start prestigious. How do you think normal everyday people who just graduated from law school get into the field? They don't just open their own firm.
I'm not even a Jimmygay. But even Jimmy getting a shitty law degree, he financed and worked on himself, whilst already working regularly in the mail room is an extremely impressive work ethic.
Also, professions like engineers, lawyers and doctors aren't judged entirely on where they got their degree like other majors.
>a bunch of strangers know Jimmy more than someone who’s known him his whole life and bailed him out constantly when he slipped
anon…the whole point of Saul is that he uses his Reddit charisma to hide his con-ish ways. That’s why Jimmy had so much trouble with chuck and Howard, they saw it
Like seriously the fact is Jimmy SPRUNG becoming a lawyer on Chuck to strongarm him into supporting his ‘career’ like it was something that was already going. You go to Chuck day one, ‘hey I’ve signed up I for a college I’m going to become a lawyer’, the conversation would be open and honest and not like handling some trick, ‘I can’t stop you from going to school but I can’t give you shortcuts in a law career, especially at my firm’ and such. The only way this isn’t a scam is if Jimmy is like a wittle baby 16 year old lawyer, which he’s not, and he’d be unfit as a lawyer to act that way and be so needy
Regardless of whether Jimmy told Chuck he was working on getting a degree or if he did things as he did, Chuck already showed his feelings on the matter with how he responded to things as they happened. He didn't want Jimmy to be a lawyer but wasn't willing to admit it until he was exposed so he just hid behind Howard. He would have done the exact same thing if Jimmy told him he was taking classes, if he was willing to have a candid conversation where he was honest about not wanting Jimmy to work at HHM he could have done it just the same with how things went down instead of allowing Jimmy to pursue Sandpiper and acting like it was all Howard's decision to not take Jimmy on even after he brings the case in.
But why did Jimmy hide his four years of getting a law degree from the person he planned to give him a job without asking or telling him
He didn't tell Chuck because he wanted it to be a surprise and though Chuck would be proud when he heard it. It's beside the point anyway because Chuck would have never let him work there regardless, Jimmy dropping that he had passed the bar on him out of the blue was never a point of contention for him getting a job at HHM and it wouldn't have been an issue if not for the fact that Chuck didn't want him working as a lawyer. If Chuck did want him to work as a lawyer, or if he was even indifferent and just didn't support Jimmy but didn't get in the way either, he could have worked at HHM no problem. It was just because Chuck made an active effort to keep Jimmy from being a lawyer that he didn't get the job.
He wanted it to be a ‘surprise’? Look I do get it where that’s how it could happen but how childish is Jimmy? I know he’s supposed to be younger than he looks but he’s not just a kid, how the hell do you spend four years planning to be given a job while thinking the person you made up would give it to you would take it as a fun surprise? Even if this was done in ignorance it’s cluelessly parasitic nepotism to spend almost half a decade planning for that but not discussing it
It's still a non-factor at the end of the day anyway because that Chuck didn't know until Jimmy had the degree had no impact on his job prospects whatsoever. Howard still liked him, he probably still would have been able to go from working in the mailroom to moving up like Kim did, and he definitely would have been able to after bringing in Sandpiper. It was just Chuck's personal disapproval of Jimmy being a lawyer that kept him from the job. That he was secretive about him earning the degree was never an issue for anybody involved, not even Chuck tried to use it to keep him from getting a job there.
After the second half of season 6 I see a lot of people on /bcs/ coming to the conclusion that chuck was actually right about Jimmy all along. With all due respect I think this is a severe misreading of the earlier seasons. Chuck wasn’t right about Jimmy, Jimmy could change. He was working his ass off for years even before season 1 in the mailroom and as a private attorney. Slipping Jimmy is part of his nature to an extent, but it was only after Chuck dangled the unattainable job at HHM in front of him for years and convinced him that he could never change that he moved off the straight path and started turning into Saul.
There seems to be this weird sentiment now that Jimmy was somehow destined to become Saul, like he was naturally a bad person and Chuck was right to treat him like garbage. But Chuck didn’t do it for the right reasons either, he did it because he was petty and jealous of his brother. Chuck wasn’t preventing anything, he wasn’t some misunderstood prophet. He caused this. He literally convinced Jimmy that he would never change and that he would in fact respect him more if he just embraced it. And on top of that, emotionally devastated him by saying he never cared about him (which probably wasn’t true but he still said it).
Now it isn’t literally all Chuck’s fault obviously, Jimmy is an adult who makes his own decisions, but the implication is that it’s very possible none of this would have ever happened if Chuck just treated his brother with some empathy instead of bitter jealousy. Now it remains to be seen if Jimmy actually will change in the gene timeline, but regardless of whether or not it’s too late, Chuck was a huge factor in cementing Jimmy’s transformation into Saul.
That's all true but Chuck's behavior towards Jimmy was the result of decades of Jimmy taking advantage of their family. He brought it on himself. And he was still trying to take the easy way by relying on nepotism instead of getting a job anywhere else in the nation.
He had enough grounds to actually get a job at HHM after bringing in Sandpiper that Howard actually did want to give him a job. It's one thing to chastise Jimmy if he's just expecting a job for being Chuck's brother, but that he worked to earn a job and then Chuck stepped in the way of it, while not even letting Jimmy know he wasn't letting him work at HHM under any circumstances no matte rhow he worked at it, is another situation.
>It's one thing to chastise Jimmy if he's just expecting a job for being Chuck's brother, but that he worked to earn a job and then Chuck stepped in the way of it, while not even letting Jimmy know he wasn't letting him work at HHM under any circumstances no matte rhow he worked at it, is another situation.
Can you blame him for hiding his involvement? Jimmy has literally gotten people killed because they pissed him off...
>was the result of decades of Jimmy taking advantage of their family
the frick are you talking about? Jimmy cared deeply about his family. He stole money from the cash register only because he knew his weak emasculated father was getting scammed. As a kid I see worse ways to vent off your frustration.
Literally nothing else was ever implied as "taking advantage of his family".
Choosing to rob your own family as a response to seeing their weakness is a criminal impulse
>He stole money from the cash register only because he knew his weak emasculated father was getting scammed.
This could only make sense to a jimmygay... truly a lecherous and mentally depraved group of beings.
I pity them.
This makes sense if you are a human who actually understands how human beings work. His father's business was going to fail REGARDLESS of jimmy getting the money from the cash register.
He was angry at his father. A "criminal impulse" is meaningless since crimes aren't biologically or anthropologically relevant. What you're saying would make sense if he killed some animals or tried to sexually harass some girl. Those are actual behaviours that indicate dysgenic antisocial tendencies as a kid.
Choosing to do crime because your mad is an impulse to do crime when you’re mad. I didn’t say it was biological, I’m saying whenever Jimmy gets mad he does crime, which is what happened even if he had really good reasons to be mad
>I’m saying whenever Jimmy gets mad he does crime
Yes, but as a kid certain actions are far more justifiable. His dad was getting ripped off, Jimmy WARNED him, and he fell for it anyway. He took money from the cash register. We don't know what he did with it thought.
Right but even with Chuck fricking with him so bad, Jimmy does choose to go to crime. Whether or not this is a sick pathology or whatever, crime is an option for Jimmy and he takes it as his first choice when he’s fricked with or feels fricked with. How could he handle something like losing a case he doesn’t feel he should?
>Jimmy does choose to go to crime
He decides to scam a woman who was very rude to him and was also clearly complicit in a serious crime (the tax money). It was a minor, harmless scam. Which then turned to shit because of Tuco and Abuelita, another moronic boomer who lacks empathy, similarly to Chuck.
Yeah haha when someone is rude you can just steal stolen money! Most people really don’t think like that
>is rude you can just steal stolen money!
that's not what he was planning to do. He just wanted their case
>Yes it makes complete sense that instead of helping defend your well-meaning father from getting scammed by shitty people you should just kick him when he's down instead.
Genuinely wtf? If Jimmy's mom was getting raped should he just rape her too since it's already happening?
>If Jimmy's mom was getting raped should he just rape her too since it's already happening?
Clearly...
He was defending his father. His father was just an idiot.
The real reason why he decides to take money after his father gets scammed isn't explicit. It's up to interpretation. Could be anger. Or it could be him trying to become a "wolf" so that he doesn't end up like his father
Well I agree with this. Jimmy clearly saw his dad was beyond saving so decided he would never end up like him. Still shitty tho.
>Chuck dangled the job
When did Chuck ever even suggest that Jimmy was being considered at HHM?
>He caused this
Yawn. Lamest argument in the Jimmygay’s arsenal. Chuck didn’t force Jimmy to be a piece of shit.
>it's all Chuck's fault Jimmy is human garbage
Do you think white people are responsible for the crimes Black folk commit? Seriously, answer that question.
I’m trying not to get too insulting here but I question the media literacy of the people on this sub sometimes. There were people on here back when Plan and Execution came out that would misinterpret everything kim did as manipulative. A big theory was that Kim tried to cover up for Jimmy when he said “How?” as Lalo walked in by saying “Howard” because she didn’t want Lalo to figure out Jimmy was receiving info about him or something. Some people straight up believed that Kim didn’t really love Jimmy. I don’t know if this series is too subtle or something but I don’t understand how anybody could come to that conclusion.
EDIT: To clarify, I’m not saying Jimmy isn’t responsible for his own actions. But clearly chuck had a massive influence on him and his betrayal of Jimmy is really what kicks off the entire story.
Pissi cuckitinni.
PECHO FRIOOOOOOO
The thing is thought chuck IS right about Jimmy’s nature. Take a look at benign shit like the switch in D&M. Jimmy HAS to be the rule breaker even when there’s no benefit or even consequence.
Chuck is an butthole, and his action were not all “right” but he’s right about Jimmy
of course some troony enabler would have this opinion
it's ok. if you're not capable of having big boy discussions on the internets then you shouldn't try.
Chuck wasn't a despicable human being for being right, he was a despicable human being for his lack of empathy, caring and resentment. Take Jimmy out of the equation and look at how he treated Howard, Kim and all the minor characters like his ex-wife, Mesa Verda etc. He puts on the air of civility and politeness but did you ever see him show genuine kindness? What about mercy or gratitude or any other virtue? Every single time it's a show to get something in return, a manipulation.
Chuck and Jimmy are mirror images of each other in the early seasons, Jimmy bends the rules and uses tricks to try to do good and his scams are all designed around taking advantage of people's sins. And Chuck, 'upstanding citizen' that he is never did a single thing for anyone else, he takes advantage of people's virtues to improve his own standing.
Jimmy having been on a path downwards and being unable to stop doesn't make Chuck a good person.
That makes a lot of sense. I love how they mirror each other.
>MUH FLIPPIN' JEEMMY BROOOS FRICK DA SNOOTY WYT MAN! ABQ! ABQ! ABQ!
chuck: HE DEFACATED THROUGH A SUNROOF
the audience in the courtroom: *literally no reaction*
(you): well cuz it happened a long time ago!
also (you): his life would've been ruined!
me: nah
HE HAD A GOOD THING THAT STUPID SON OF A b***h
He had a wife, he a firm, he had a brother that gave everything he needed and it all ran like clockwork. He could have shut up, treated his mental illness and made as much of life as he ever wanted to. IT WAS PERFECT. BUT NO. He just to be petty. HIM and his pride and his ego. If he had been more human, shown some gratitude, they'd all be fine right now.
All lawyers are various degrees of evil
Chuck wasn't evil. Howard wasn't evil.
>hey buddy I know you covered up my arson but now I’m going to become a fireman just like you bro
>what? No lmao you’re an arsonist i don’t care if I saved you from being labeled one by the law, arsonists can’t be firemen
>frick you! I’m going to go burn a house down! Give me a job!
>>what? No lmao you’re an arsonist i don’t care if I saved you from being labeled one by the law, arsonists can’t be firemen
Too unrealistic, Chuck would never be man enough to say it to his face unless he got caught. His methods are sabotage, manipulation and parasitism. He's a good man you see
It took him years but he did eventually say it
Like I don’t get it is Jimmy just supposed to be an infant child so his idea of being a good person is to copy his brother? It’s almost sweet in a way but would any of you do this after the age of maybe 16? ‘Oh I got saved from a charge I actually committed, I think I’ll become a cop now because my brother is one’ I kind of doubt this is natural thinking
Regardless of age, Jimmy obviously looks up to and respects Chuck a lot, or at least did at a time, and for someone who was going nowhere like Jimmy, it's not strange that he would look to his brother as a kind of role model who he sees as intelligent, moral and well put together in near every way when he's thinking of trying to button up and do something serious with his life for once.
Jimmy wanted the same respect Chuck had. He thought becoming a lawyer was the better path to take, since he had an advantage.
To be fair it’s a mad dash for respect. Wanting and earning respect is valid but I’m really not sure about beelining to ape your brother’s reputation in the eleventh hour after being a criminal
He wasn't "beelining". He just wanted to get started somewhere, and HHM was objectively the best place for him
Getting the easiest law degree possible and then expecting to get a job at the nearest law firm because you figure it’s easiest, man I just wouldn’t be as surprised as Jimmy when it doesn’t workn
Chuck had every write to say 'no' to Jimmy working at HHM but I don't get the stance people take that echos what Chuck said about Jimmy not being a real lawyer. If he passed the bar, he is one and can practice - his lack of entitlement to working at HHM withstanding
Fact is Chuck has higher ‘standards’ than the American legal system which is funny because it’s the thing he holds sacred. That paradox or hypocrisy I will admit
Chuck could have just been honest with Jimmy. Instead he made him believe Howard didn't want him because of "nepotism", which just pissed Jimmy off. Who, nevertheless, pressed on and tried his luck as a public defendant. Then that didn't go well (not his fault, and Chuck was making it even harder for him) and he decided to scam Kettlemammaries, which is what kickstarts the entire story
Jimmy had spent most of his life running scams, smoking weed like an idiot, staying in his hometown, never going to college and probably even living with his parents for quite a long time.
He was living like a child and didn't have any positive male role models since his dad was such a useless business man.
His brother was a scholar who went to an Ivy League school at 14, and later George Town. He would be several people's idea of success.
Jimmy, wanting to straighten out, would look towards the only positive male role model he had in his life, saw it was Chuck and decided to emulate him.
But yeah, also his love for his older brother also plays a part here.
It’s still unfortunately a naive path. Arrested development does explain Jimmy straight up aping his brother, but again that’s the definition of a shortcut. It’s like dude you are barely even a high school student how are you trying to jump to be a lawyer and it’s not even your original adult thought
>it's still a naïve path
But all Jimmy can afford to have is naïve optimism. He's a dude well into his thirties suddenly taking up a massive pursuit like law.
If he though like a realist cynic and took a look at himself working in the mail room of his brother's firm, single, living alone with no safety net well into his thirties he'd probably be depressed.
I respect rehabilitation and giving people chances, and how it feels to be naive, but it still just leaves a guy who procrastinated on life and didn’t do his homework trying to rope his way into something bigger than him in ways that don’t work
But it did work, Jimmy had the right mindset to eventually make something of himself.
His naïvety helped him. Chuck was more like a father to him anyway than his dad could ever be, once he stopped procrastinating on life and actually took a look at his Brother for guidance, he began to change.
Jimmy still did more damage to the law and to himself and others than he did good in his career
Y los McGills, son los piores parasitos de todos
Dicen que creen que la ley es sagrada pero só entendien diñero y reputacion
Son unas putas
los culos mcgills
Mis muchachos son sólidos.
Howard is ultimately right, he let bygones be bygones and forgave Jimmy/Kim for whatever they did. He also did not become obsessed with his own mistakes, he basically blamed himself for Chuck, grieved over it and moved on.
He was able to take the best points from Chuck and Jimmy, especially with Jimmy's argument over the scholarship.
Too bad Jimmy had to go and get him killed for absolutely no reason. Howard was based.
>he basically blamed himself for Chuck, grieved over it and moved on.
Wasn't his marriage on the brink of collapse and he in intensive therapy right before his death?
I wonder what her problem really was. Oh Howard’s been a bit torn up lately after the suicide of his business partner, what’s the problem lady? Besides Jimmy arranging to destroy Howard’s life I mean
I knew someone would bring up the marriage, but Vince basically left us in the dark there. The wife obviously cared after he died so we don't really know. I imagine that his behaviour after Chuck is what caused it but for all we know he could have been beating her or she could have just been a c**t.
Ultimately with what we are presented Howard is the most reasonable character by a mile.
>The wife obviously cared after he died so we don't really know.
Probably just a facesaving exercise. She's looking for someone and something to blame because people obviously would look at her and wonder how she couldn't know Howard was a drug addict on the brink of suicide.
And it's probably no secret the marriage was on the rocks and people probably observed her being cold and distant and arguing with Howard and shit so... yeah in those situations people just look at the b***h widow and whisper that she drove him to it or whatever.
She didn't give a frick while he was alive.
Disagree with you there. Why save face with Jimmy and Kim of all people? Why question them as she did? Doesn't really make sense that she was just doing it to save face.
Their marriage being in the shitter was in fact a secret, the scene where Howard makes her coffee is all about how they are perpetrating the illusion that they're a happy couple.
Howie would never beat his wife man, come on.
His marriage falling apart is probably why 50% of all people's marriages begin to fall apart. Most of the time it's completely out of both parties control.
As Howard said, he would eventually fix it. And knowing what we know about him, odds are he eventually would, which is why his death is so tragic and unfair because he never got the chance to.
Cheryl clearly still cared for Howard and was extremely disbelieving about the bs Kim and Jimmy were trying to sell her because she knew her husband better than anyone else.
And when even Cliff seemed to confirm the allegations, she looked distraught and clearly hurt by it.
Jimmy becoming Saul was a self-fulfilling prophecy initiated by Chuck's elitist obsession with the law and his arrogance towards Jimmy
Chuck may be crazy but as a brother myself I would not expect my older brother to hire me for such a job if he knew all my darker secrets from my life. It would also be hard to ask for a job from someone who had seen your humiliating nudes.
>if he knew all my darker secrets from my life
List a few
But that's the thing. Jimmy loved his brother and was always willing to go above and beyond for him, he simply wanted Chuck to be willing to do the same for him.
Unfortunately it’s naive to assume your love towards someone translates to career gifts from them
Using that logic, we could also say it was naïve for Jimmy to care for his brother and show him, what was essentially unconditional love, for no reward.
Unconditional love is defined as having no material reward, and it just doesn’t mean you’re entitled to a job
Chuck is vindicated but will always be subject to being shit on because he behaved like a total b***h by hiding behind Howard and the obvious fact that he was motivated in part by deep rooted childhood insecurities/envy over high falutin morality
Why do people think Kim is dying of cancer? Genuinely curious.
>Why do people think Kim is dying of cancer? Genuinely curious.
The phonecall, the way Gene reacted during and after it and the whole foreshadowing with Cancerman in the bar.
Saul isn't heartless, so the way he callously overlooks the dude having cancer and being a genuine nice and friendly dude and was so hellbent on and desperate to fleece him says to me that the guy having cancer actually enraged Saul, it triggered him harder.
The only reason it could do that is if Kim has cancer too.
makes no fricking sense.
Just wait and see, chud.
Stupid viewers who can't grasp character motivation
Chuck's problem was being far too patient and kind. He only realized that after it was too late.
I do not know how anyone can root for Jimmy after what happened to Howard, he deserves to go down
I have to believe it's just a handful of committed trolls by this point, but I know a lot of people are genuinely that stupid and oblivious as to be able to root for a piece of shit like Jimmy by this point.
Howard's death was mostly Kim's fault. Jimmy never actually wanted to go through with it, but Kim was intent on getting that sandpiper money and thought taking down the, rich, kind, successful handsome man was the best way to go about it.
But the waifugays here would sooner place all the blame on Jimmy when Kim started it.
>Howard's death was Jimmy's fault
>No, it was Kim's!
>etc. etc.
Yeah I think it was actually Lalo's fault. The guy who murdered him.
Well yeah, you're right obviously. But Jim and Kimmy still feel immense guilt since they know very well that Howard would never have been there were it not for their actions.
Good evening. i just wanted to say all my Chuck bros are high IQ, based, well-meaning autists.
Jimmygays are cringe.
anyone who thought Jimmy was the good guy and chuck was the bad guy are fricked in the head. chuck did NOTHING wrong.
>chuck did NOTHING wrong
He saved Jimmy from being a sex offender. He gave Jimmy a job in his own firm. He vouched for Jimmy as a lawyer.
THIS. He should have put a fricking bullet in Jimmy's brain long, long ago.
But he's too good and decent for that.
Jimmy's biggest issue is he has shiny object syndrome, moving from bs to bs tactic with no long term plan. Either stick with law and create your own respectable law firm like Chuck, or find a different legal way to make money. Someone smart enough to get a law degree should be able to figure this out easy (most do).
Chuck's biggest issue was caring more about people that didn't give one frick about him over his own family/community/personal well being.
Stranger Things normalgays will say OMG the Christian Jock was the real villain!!! After One flat out murdered 10 children in cold blood AND then 3 teens as Vecna.
You cannot attempt to expect logic and reason from normalgays.
Also the government will literally return to you a 5% credit of your paycheck for an ex-convict you hire, but forbids felons from becoming lawyers
jimmy did nothing wrong
He fricked little boys
I see this show has turned into “The Wacky Adventures of Gene!” now.
Westeros didn’t end in democracy it ended with elector counts, which is a fairly appropriate monarchic half-step towards democracy
It is actually stupid that you can be a parasite moron and people will love you more for being funny than they love the people who aid their parents’ businesses and save family members from prison
it’s not surprise, basically all you need in life is charisma and you’re set. If you’re autistic and lack humor like chuck (and probably most of Cinemaphile) you’re fricked
Yep, its almost as if you should transcend the opinions of others and realize that they aren't valuable when it comes to how you regard yourself, something that Chuck unfortunately never did. But then again almost no one does, its pretty tough and goes against default human nature.
Chuck was the only good thing about that show and it died with him.