You mean Bryan Johnson did 5 years before Smith put it in his movie without credit.
And then only started giving credit during his podcast years when he thought his Hollywood ride was over.
it was pointing out ops hypocrisy there are infact millions of fat retards who cheer when innocent people are ablated. The fact is America is the only country where the goyim cattle people cheer on atrocities. Wouldn't make sense to use the east india company or nazi germany since those societies actually are capable of remorse. unlike shart mutt fat ayn randites.
>the only country where the goyim cattle people cheer on atrocities
Nanking Massacre is literally the Holocaust Denial of Japan >Ah yessu, we didn't bayonet pregnant women in the belly and play ball with the heads of beheaded prisoners, ho-ho-ho, but I'm glad it happened and we will one day do it again. >Why are-u Americans-u so violent-u?
>far right amerilard antisemites love israelites when they murder half a million asian goyim under the vague notion of patriotism >far left suddenly become incredibly patriotic and pro america when someone is shitting on the USAs war crimes
americans are just The Retard Race
if you look at surveys from the few years after the war ended, the overwhelming majority of Allied civilians supported the atomic bombings on Japan. It wasn't just Americans who celebrated.
>Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night >Unit 731 >The Rape of Nanking
I know, I know. >b-but that was the MILITARY! The U.S. killed CIVILIANS!!
The U.S. dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki prior to the nukings telling them to evacuate because they were about to use a weapon never before seen by man, but the dumbass yellow monkeys stayed. >https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/
>The U.S. dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki prior to the nukings telling them to evacuate because they were about to use a weapon never before seen by man, but the dumbass yellow monkeys stayed.
://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/
From your link: >In August 1945, leaflets were dropped on several Japanese cities (including, supposedly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki). The first round, known as the “LeMay leaflets,” were distributed before the bombing of Hiroshima. These leaflets did not directly reference the atomic bomb, and it is unclear whether they were used to warn citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically. The second round features a picture of a mushroom cloud and a message about the Soviet invasion (which commenced on August 9). The historical record is unclear, but it seems as though these leaflets did not make it to Nagasaki until after it, too, had been hit by an atomic bomb. Later leaflets informed the Japanese populace about their government’s surrender before the emperor’s official announcement.
Dishonest glownagger shill
>right wing racist white supremacist sides with israelite using kike demon magic weapon on civilians
hmmm im beginning to think racists are actually low IQ jingoist retards
these people had a couple of office buildings blown up, decided to invade a whole country over it because they might have been hiding out there, killed like 100K people and scarred it for decades and still walk away thinking they were good guys
Eisenhower himself admitted that the nukes were completely unnecessary to win the war and that he didn't want America to be the first country to use them. >the Japanese military did war crimes so it's okay to incinerate civilians and inflict radiation poisoning on generations of their children
Yep, it's an American.
Eisenhower wasn't going to be the one facing attacking Japan and clearing it out either. He's lucky he was able to let the Soviets eat a couple million casualties so the Western Allies didn't need to.
This, but unironically. If you butcher and massacre civilians indiscriminately, committing the most categorically evil actions across an entire continent on a president truly unheard off then I see no wrong with two cities getting bombed in retaliation. Japan got off lightly, if anything.
>Country goes on a killing and raping spree to try and conquer the Pacific >Their own men are willing to suicide bomb themselves >Told to target Medics specifically >refuse to surrender >NOOO PLEASU AMERICU NO BOMBU
To keep a station the size of the death star running requires masses of civilian staff. It would basically have been a city. Maintenance, the people who run the amenities, the healthcare staff, all the civilians needed to support all of those things too. There'd probably need to be as many if not more civilian than military staff.
The rebels were mass murdering psychopaths. It's little wonder we never saw what the average citizen in the empire thought of them - it wouldn't have been good.
>The people must've liked the empire because it made the trains run on time!
I'd agree if the empire was a neutral entity that appeared cruel sometimes because tough decisions had to be made to keep everything running and let citizens live well, but you missed the part where it's explicitly designed to make people miserable because it's ran by an evil wizard.
ah magical droids that can do everything
if such a thing existed they'd be living in utopia and wouldn't have shitholes littered around the galaxy
they do not ergo there are massive limitations on droids, and they require civilian staff
Oh there were civillians working and living on THE SPACE STATION THAT DESTROYS CIVILIZED PLANETS?
Is this an Oppenheimer joke? >The le death star...le kills people?!
there are roughly 20 million people working for the US government and i highly doubt every single one of them believes in castrating children and bombing foreign countries for trans rights
3 months ago
Anonymous
>every single one of them believes in castrating children and bombing foreign countries for trans rights >Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So you can be sure just under half of the people in the US don't like Biden, and out of the ones who did vote for Biden, you can be sure that a sizable percentage were only really voting against Trump.
What a load of bullshit.
"Sorry guys, we're just gonna have to let Palpatine run the galaxy indefinitely and blow up as many populated planets as he likes because there's le heckin innocent civilian workers on the Death Star."
The blame is on the Empire for engineering this situation in the first place. Why do so many of you weirdo fags pull for cartoonishly obvious bad guys?
Only when both sides have these big weapons.
Otherwise the one with the big weapon just does whatever the fuck they want because no one wants to challenge them.
>empire uses it to kill billions of civillians on alderaan >rebels destroy it >"no it is the rebels that are wrong because there might have been thousands of civillians on that military installation"
Interesting logic.
The rebels were extremist puritans. They never bothered to listen to the average person trying to live their lives. They hid out in their safe spaces and only came out to terrorise and torment innocent public servants, not caring about the collateral damage they caused in the process.
The only people you see support the rebels are... other rebels. Complete circlejerk.
>BWell, I'm a contractor myself. I'm
a roofer...(digs into pocket and
produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can tell ya a roofer's personal politics come into play heavily when choosing jobs. >I'm alive because I knew the risks involved on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. Any contractor working on that Death Star knew the risk involved
Haven't any of you niggas seen clerks?
They agreed to work on a literal planet-destroying super-weapon of evil so I couldn't care less about "muh civilians"
If you don't want to die, don't live and work on a literal gigantic laser weapon that's only meant to destroy shit for the military. If you're on that thing you're essentially military anyways.
You don't see Civilians working on US aircraft carriers for example, everyone on there is enlisted or on commission / an officer.
aircraft carrier isn't the size of a moon and doesn't house 1-2 million people
very different - the aircraft carrier needs to go to port. You're basically saying everyone living in that port city deserves to die.
As has been stated in this thread, that spacestation is more of a symbol of peace. A deterrent against the rebellious forces of terror to get them to lay down their arms. When they blew up Alderaan, they were silent. They didn't celebrate. They knew the gravity of their necessary task.
When the rebels mercilessly ended the lives of millions in an instant? They celebrated. They cheered. They never once cared for all the innocents they called.
>spacestation is more of a symbol of peace. A deterrent against the rebellious forces
ICBMs are a symbol of peace. MAD is all about peace and love. I see it now. The people on the Death Star didn't celebrate because they were being efficient officers of the Empire bringing order to the galaxy.
IIRC, after any war ended, the victors celebrated in the streets. I guess America is Le Bad?
Your life must be incredibly boring. But keep it up and maybe we'll be entering the Bad Times to make Strong Men again.
the rebels only celebrated with their fellow rebels
we'd know if they tried to celebrate in the streets they'd be lynched for all their murdering and their insistence on destabilising people's livelihoods
Really? A neighbor is going to just outright murder you for a different opinion? Do you people well?
And if we're deconstructing Star Wars, how did the rest of the galaxy take it when the Death Star was revealed and that it destroyed Alderaan? This is just after the Emperor dissolved the Senate and declared Martial Law.
Nobody would probably be celebrating in public in fear of being dragged off by the Imperials or just shot. Their neighbor wouldn't be doing any lynching.
3 months ago
Anonymous
well, building a death star literally the size of a planet, probably employed a planets worth of people. id say roughly 3 billion people who suddenly lost their jobs in the blink of a thermonuclear explosion, plus the 2 million families who just found out one of their family members just got turned into nothing might be a little, just a tiny bit upset.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Really? A neighbor is going to just outright murder you for a different opinion?
yeah more about the fact they murdered their children, celebrated their demise and then painted them as space nazis when they were probably just needing a job
You're assuming that everyone in the galaxy was somehow a participant in the Death Star. The Death Star was a supersecret project by the Emperor and not like Lockheed-Martin or Boeing cranking out fighter jets.
I don't know anything about EU canon, but to keep something that secret would probably require the Empire to carve out a base near some mineral rich uninhabited planets and build factories and facilities there. They'd have to find a workforce that has no strong familial ties outside or a populace that wouldn't be missed by the rest of the galaxy.
It would be like the Manhattan Project, but instead of a few tiny bombs, they were building a mobile city. How the hell do you keep that a secret? Certainly not with a general civilian workforce.
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Anonymous
>I don't know anything about EU canon, but to keep something that secret would probably require the Empire to carve out a base near some mineral rich uninhabited planets and build factories and facilities there. They'd have to find a workforce that has no strong familial ties outside or a populace that wouldn't be missed by the rest of the galaxy.
IIrc they used wookiee slaves that they just killed afterward.
However it wasn't a very well-kept secret. Rebel leadership was literally aboard the fucking thing at one point.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Really? A neighbor is going to just outright murder you for a different opinion?
yeah more about the fact they murdered their children, celebrated their demise and then painted them as space nazis when they were probably just needing a job
the rebels only celebrated with their fellow rebels
we'd know if they tried to celebrate in the streets they'd be lynched for all their murdering and their insistence on destabilising people's livelihoods
The empire was a progressive force opposed to the unfair aristocratic republicanism where hereditary privilege and literal magical eugenics (midiclorians) predominate.
They're literally the government, and they recruit regular men who don't have much going on in their lives. To presuppose everyone in the Empire is evil is retarded.
Most people want order and stability in their lives. The Republic and rebellion represented nothing but chaos, so yeah, I would think that most were okay with the empire.
>Most people want order and stability in their lives.
The only reason that order broke down was due to Palpatine. No Palpatine, no war, plenty of order and stability.
Unironically: The best government was the old republic. Yeah, it's flawed and corrupt but it was still fairly affectual and generally kept insane people under control.
That's the thing though. The movies rely on the fact that you know Palpatine is an evil wizard. Basically no one in the SW universe knows that. Even Vader was basically fooled and fully believed in the project of the Empire, at least up to a point.
Ignoring the evil space wizard thing though, there is plenty of political subtext you can use for real life. Like the CIA funding the people that would one day become the Taliban. Whatever the fuck Erdogan did. Or even just the good old classical excuse of "We have to invade them before they invade first".
Unironically, Palpatine in the prequels is just the Bush government.
To keep a station the size of the death star running requires masses of civilian staff. It would basically have been a city. Maintenance, the people who run the amenities, the healthcare staff, all the civilians needed to support all of those things too. There'd probably need to be as many if not more civilian than military staff.
The rebels were mass murdering psychopaths. It's little wonder we never saw what the average citizen in the empire thought of them - it wouldn't have been good.
I argue this it was a nuke with civilian staff who knew the capabilities but not the vulnerabilities
This was a stupid opinion before the sequel trilogy. But considering the republic
>immediately dismantled their entire military as soon as they regained power >didn’t crush the imperials and made a peace with them, leaving them large swathes of the galaxy despite their numerical inferiority >republic politicians were apparently so corrupt they were still collaborating with the first order >republic politicians outcast Leia from politics because finding out her father was darth vader was a huge scandal (nobody cared Luke’s father was also darth vader for some reason)
The new republic lasted like 20 years then got trillions killed for nothing
>napalm carpet bomb an entire country unrelated to you because they chose a system of government you don't like >napalm carpet bomb neighboring countries for good measure >destroy their environment with agent orange which causes health issues to this day >wipe out villages and destroy their livelihoods >all the while they posed no realistic threat to you
>firebomb the capital city and various other cities killing hundreds of thousands >then nuke two civilian cities chosen for "maximum effect" of the bombs, killing hundreds of thousands more
or >go to the philipines saying you are there to liberate them >spend the next few years following a government mandate to seek out and kill every boy over the age of 10 and all the adult men and women you find in every village
freedom!
To keep a station the size of the death star running requires masses of civilian staff. It would basically have been a city. Maintenance, the people who run the amenities, the healthcare staff, all the civilians needed to support all of those things too. There'd probably need to be as many if not more civilian than military staff.
The rebels were mass murdering psychopaths. It's little wonder we never saw what the average citizen in the empire thought of them - it wouldn't have been good.
>ctrl-F >no mention of Clerks >no mention of how their deaths were justified - they knew who they were working for
Get the fuck out, all you fucking newfags. Get the fuck OUT!!!
George Lucas actually referenced Clerks in the commentary track for one of the prequel movies, he thought Silent Bob was who did the rant and explained that the Geonosians would be the people dying so don't worry about it.
>"No Carrie seriously, there's no underwear in space" >"Ok so Natalie it'll be ripped right in the center and show off your midriff, its very important to the plot" >"Filoni make sure Ahsoka is hot"
kek but did anyone actually from the Empire call it the “death star”? It likely would have internally been called “Peace and Security Megastation” or something. Not a SWfag so I dont know
If you are helping space Hitler build the equivalent of a super powered nuclear cruiser day by day I really am curious how well the "I was just following orders" defense would hold in court. I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of books about the subject written in the previous century.
just following orders is a valid excuse
redditors and whatever like to pretend it isn't an excuse but no lone citizen can stand up against a state and society. People will do what is required to get by. The same way when you go outside you don't talk like you do on Cinemaphile. Because you know you can't. The people who say you can are just people who know they'll never have to make that decision themselves.
> I think there was a big thing in the previous century about "just following orders!" isn't a valid excuse.
Nuremberg? That excuse actually carried you pretty far. It's why so few people actually got the death penalty.
>redditors and whatever like to pretend it isn't an excuse
If by redditors you mean internationally recognized standards on lawful military conduct, then yeah
I thought it is the US that has nuclear powerful ships carrying nuclear warheads at all times, and have started 200 wars in the 200 years of their existence.
weird
i think you and your whole family should be blown to shreds
>devolving into impotent thirdie seethe about muh americans because someone mentioned naval capabilities
i'm sorry life in your irrelevant shithole sucks anon, try to not take it out on other people so much.
rebel apologists >This is war, innocents working on the Death Star are just unfortunate casualties
also rebel apologists >WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE DIABOLICAL SHEEV DESTROYED A PLANET THAT WAS THE CENTER OF THE REBELLION'S POWER STRUCTURE? THINK OF THE INNOCENTS!
Do they ever actually explain what exactly the Rebels' objection to the Empire is?
If you look at the full timeline of the movies, all that really happens is one useless government gets replaces with a slightly less useless government, and an unaccountable order of galactic policemen get disappeared, which the average person probably wouldn't have known or cared about.
If there wasn't a rebellion, there wouldn't have been a Deathstar in the first place.
americans love the idea of the little guy resistance against the so-called tyrannical government
they don't even need to know any of the background to the situation
>Do they ever actually explain what exactly the Rebels' objection to the Empire is?
Not really, no. At least, not in the movies.
Going by the one major political speech it seems to mostly be senators and other old republicans politicians opposed to the militaristic and violent turn of the Imperial government. Presumably also including separatists remants.
How did the rebels or new republic deal with millions of pissed of family members that lost their sons?
>Millions
I know what you mean, but you should really realize Millions is nothing in the context of a universe like Star Wars.
Wtf happened to the Republican government after they beat the empire in the first trilogy? Why were a few retards "the resistance" when they should have been on the side of the dominant government which only seemed to exist on a couple planets that were easily blown up?
makes you wonder why the evil rebels couldn't recruit more than a hundred people to their death cult, while the empire had millions of men with honest lives
International humanitarian law, based on the Geneva Conventions and other treaties, recognizes that civilian casualties are sometimes necessary when attacking a legitimate military target(which the Death Star obviously is). If killing civilians was unacceptable across the board, then all a military force would have to do to protect a target is station some civilians there. Instead there is the principle of proportionality:
>The principle of proportionality complements other IHL principles such as the one of distinction to evaluate the legality of military activities. IHL prohibits attacks that may cause “incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated”
Given the power of the Death Star and the fact that it had just been used to commit a war crime dwarfing anything the Nazis ever did, it would be very hard to make the case that the civilian casualties were excessive in relation to the advantage gained by destroying it.
The strike on Alderaan was justified. They refuse to give up terrorists, they insisted they were enemy combatants.They made their bed.
It was proportional in that it was a show of force similar to the US nuclear bombings in Japan. In the long run, it saved lives. Get them to give up now rather than plunge the galaxy into non-stop turmoil. It was the galactic laser of kindness.
Instead the rebels decided to resort to mass murder. They killed every single one of them. Barry the maintenance man. Jake the popcorn scooper. The little babe on the maternity ward full of hope and with a future ahead of it.
lol, lmao. If you want to compare this to Japan, the equivalent of this would be destroying the ENTIRE COUNTRY of Japan as a show of force. That would most certainly be a violation of proportionality, but not nearly as much a violation as destroying a whole planet would.
the rebel terrorists had already stolen plans to make their own deathstar, and would have used it to massacre people all over, spreading chaos.
the empire had to act swiftly and decisively.
Civilisation had spread to most of the galaxy in Star Wars. A single planet was of little consequence, less than a city within a country in our time. If one planet had to go for the entire galaxy to be peaceful, so be it.
Well if we want to continue the Japan analogy, Japan would have absolutely been justified in continuing to attack the US in retaliation for the bombings. If they could have destroyed the US's nuclear capacity in the same way the rebels destroyed the Death Star, they would have been justified in doing so even if it also meant a lot of civilian casualties.
The thing about SW is it's one of those particularly dumb sci-fi universes that basically treat a planet as if it were a city, or something even smaller than a city.
Every planet we see is like one town, or military base, and then a whole lot of nothing.
In a way, the death laser was in fast the death laser of life. The rebels blew it up and ensured constant war and death for the decades to follow.
Imagine if someone got rid of nuclear weapons today. It would be armageddon. War with advanced military weapon systems would begin anew without the fear of a nuclear reprisal. Our children, our children's children. All sent to the frontlines, ground up in the death machine of geopolitical interests.
The Death Star could more appropriately have been called the Peace Star. The Rebels were pro-war. Pro-misery. Pro-orphan.
>International humanitarian law, based on the Geneva Conventions and other treaties
Who says these have any weight? These laws were written ny human hands and can be unwritten by the same, if not outright ignored by powerful enough UNSC member states.
If we follow the principle of proportionality then destroying Alderaan was justified. Alderaan had about 2 billion people, and a government that was abetting, financing, and directly leading a galactic terrorist movement seeking to start a galactic civil war. Meanwhile the galaxy has a population of over one-hundred quadrillion sapient beings, not counting droids. Therefore, killing two-billion people to maintain galactic stability is completely justified, because the lives lost are so marginally minuscule in comparison to the lives safeguarded.
In comparison, blowing up Alderaan is of less import than any of the bombing campaigns carried out in WWII by orders of magnitude. It's most akin to the US military bombing some village hiding insurgents in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
nice try FBI, you won't bait me into a post that violates US law
Austin Powers basically did this joke 25 years ago.
you mean kevin smith.
No, I didn't.
You mean Bryan Johnson did 5 years before Smith put it in his movie without credit.
And then only started giving credit during his podcast years when he thought his Hollywood ride was over.
Who?
it was clerks
>nukes half a million japanese children and women
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>seethes and shits himself at the mere mention of America
ALLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHU AKBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
it was pointing out ops hypocrisy there are infact millions of fat retards who cheer when innocent people are ablated. The fact is America is the only country where the goyim cattle people cheer on atrocities. Wouldn't make sense to use the east india company or nazi germany since those societies actually are capable of remorse. unlike shart mutt fat ayn randites.
i hope the US bombs your shit hole
>the only country where the goyim cattle people cheer on atrocities
Nanking Massacre is literally the Holocaust Denial of Japan
>Ah yessu, we didn't bayonet pregnant women in the belly and play ball with the heads of beheaded prisoners, ho-ho-ho, but I'm glad it happened and we will one day do it again.
>Why are-u Americans-u so violent-u?
Who cares? Are you really dickriding chinksects right now while looking for an own?
>*gets proven wrong*
>I-i-i-it doesn't matter!
Most of them are aware of it happening, but muh honorabre code of bushido makes them cope about it
>Nanking Massacre is literally the Holocaust Denial of Japan
Most of them aren't even aware it happened so it's not quite the same
>Nanking
No such thing
80 Million Yen has been deposited into your chequing account, Arigatō gozaimashita Anon-sama...
Nipon strong
I bet you believe in masturbation machines and electric floors too
The weak must fear the strong.
Cry more bitch.
>far right amerilard antisemites love israelites when they murder half a million asian goyim under the vague notion of patriotism
>far left suddenly become incredibly patriotic and pro america when someone is shitting on the USAs war crimes
americans are just The Retard Race
The strong who loses to the weak repeatedly?
if you look at surveys from the few years after the war ended, the overwhelming majority of Allied civilians supported the atomic bombings on Japan. It wasn't just Americans who celebrated.
a million now?
>american reading comprehension
>Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night
>Unit 731
>The Rape of Nanking
I know, I know.
>b-but that was the MILITARY! The U.S. killed CIVILIANS!!
The U.S. dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki prior to the nukings telling them to evacuate because they were about to use a weapon never before seen by man, but the dumbass yellow monkeys stayed.
>https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/
>the dumbass yellow monkeys stayed.
even picking up those leaflets was a death sentence
skill issue
>Let's attack America
based
>Let's invade half of Asia
based and kept China in check
>Let's murder 20 million people
based population control
No they didn't. Hiroshima had no such leaflets and due to a logistics snafu, the Nagasaki leaflets were dropped on the city the day after the bombing.
>The U.S. dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki prior to the nukings telling them to evacuate because they were about to use a weapon never before seen by man, but the dumbass yellow monkeys stayed.
://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/key-documents/warning-leaflets/
From your link:
>In August 1945, leaflets were dropped on several Japanese cities (including, supposedly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki). The first round, known as the “LeMay leaflets,” were distributed before the bombing of Hiroshima. These leaflets did not directly reference the atomic bomb, and it is unclear whether they were used to warn citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki specifically. The second round features a picture of a mushroom cloud and a message about the Soviet invasion (which commenced on August 9). The historical record is unclear, but it seems as though these leaflets did not make it to Nagasaki until after it, too, had been hit by an atomic bomb. Later leaflets informed the Japanese populace about their government’s surrender before the emperor’s official announcement.
Dishonest glownagger shill
>right wing racist white supremacist sides with israelite using kike demon magic weapon on civilians
hmmm im beginning to think racists are actually low IQ jingoist retards
I don't think you crammed enough buzzwords into that post
>nuh uh we warned you, it's your fault we nuked you
do burgers really?
these people had a couple of office buildings blown up, decided to invade a whole country over it because they might have been hiding out there, killed like 100K people and scarred it for decades and still walk away thinking they were good guys
Eisenhower himself admitted that the nukes were completely unnecessary to win the war and that he didn't want America to be the first country to use them.
>the Japanese military did war crimes so it's okay to incinerate civilians and inflict radiation poisoning on generations of their children
Yep, it's an American.
Eisenhower wasn't going to be the one facing attacking Japan and clearing it out either. He's lucky he was able to let the Soviets eat a couple million casualties so the Western Allies didn't need to.
This, but unironically. If you butcher and massacre civilians indiscriminately, committing the most categorically evil actions across an entire continent on a president truly unheard off then I see no wrong with two cities getting bombed in retaliation. Japan got off lightly, if anything.
the japs would have done the same to everyone else if they could, except they would haver raped them first
They were warned by leaflets to evacuate.
>destroy most sophiscated mongoloid race
>get overrun with most violent mongoloid race
Why do people get so upset at this? Does cognitive dissonance really hit that hard?
>Why do people get so upset at this? Does cognitive dissonance really hit that hard?
maybe they're used to everyone just getting a participation trophy and there are no such things as winners and losers.
everyone always glosses over the fact that the estimated loss of life for taking japan was about 32 million people.
Exactly. the Empire (USA) was right. Alderaan had to go.
It was the death laser of peace.
anime is a prime example of why two nukes just wasn't enough
>Country goes on a killing and raping spree to try and conquer the Pacific
>Their own men are willing to suicide bomb themselves
>Told to target Medics specifically
>refuse to surrender
>NOOO PLEASU AMERICU NO BOMBU
And yet the world got their panties in a twist over like 200k max deaths by the Germans
They got excessively and performatively pissy about the Germans to distract from what the Soviets and ~~*guys*~~ like Genrikh Yagoda did.
>From what the soviets did
Civilize East Europe?
70 million, anon.
>durrrrrr what if empire were the good guys durrrrrrrr
>public sector
>good guys
To keep a station the size of the death star running requires masses of civilian staff. It would basically have been a city. Maintenance, the people who run the amenities, the healthcare staff, all the civilians needed to support all of those things too. There'd probably need to be as many if not more civilian than military staff.
The rebels were mass murdering psychopaths. It's little wonder we never saw what the average citizen in the empire thought of them - it wouldn't have been good.
>The people must've liked the empire because it made the trains run on time!
I'd agree if the empire was a neutral entity that appeared cruel sometimes because tough decisions had to be made to keep everything running and let citizens live well, but you missed the part where it's explicitly designed to make people miserable because it's ran by an evil wizard.
That didn't happen in the original trilogy.
The emperor appears in ESB
Yes, the Emperor. Not le evil wizard man.
The emperor is le evil wizard man
>robots don't exist in the star wars universe
Why else do you think they made C-3PO in the shape of a guy? There’s a guy in there. And don’t even get me started on R2D2
Nobody working on something called the Death Stat is civilian.
Order doesn’t automatically equal virtue dummy. The empire is Lawful Evil.
order cannot exist without virtue
Droids, dipshit.
ah magical droids that can do everything
if such a thing existed they'd be living in utopia and wouldn't have shitholes littered around the galaxy
they do not ergo there are massive limitations on droids, and they require civilian staff
Droids making droids
? how PERVERSE
Oh there were civillians working and living on THE SPACE STATION THAT DESTROYS CIVILIZED PLANETS?
Is this an Oppenheimer joke?
>The le death star...le kills people?!
Not everyone in the empire shared the same ideology, bet there was tons of civilian they could've turned before murdering the whole death star
If you literally worked on the death star, you probably share that ideology.
Galen Erso would be to differ.
there are roughly 20 million people working for the US government and i highly doubt every single one of them believes in castrating children and bombing foreign countries for trans rights
>every single one of them believes in castrating children and bombing foreign countries for trans rights
>Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast.
So you can be sure just under half of the people in the US don't like Biden, and out of the ones who did vote for Biden, you can be sure that a sizable percentage were only really voting against Trump.
>>The le death star...le kills people?!
i laughed
They annihilated an entire planet with this thing.
What a load of bullshit.
"Sorry guys, we're just gonna have to let Palpatine run the galaxy indefinitely and blow up as many populated planets as he likes because there's le heckin innocent civilian workers on the Death Star."
The blame is on the Empire for engineering this situation in the first place. Why do so many of you weirdo fags pull for cartoonishly obvious bad guys?
should've gone out and voted
they elected the officials who put palpatine in charge
only themselves to blame
>conveniently forgetting it was a planet hiding rebels
they made their bed
big weapons mean peace
nuclear weapons prove this
Only when both sides have these big weapons.
Otherwise the one with the big weapon just does whatever the fuck they want because no one wants to challenge them.
>empire uses it to kill billions of civillians on alderaan
>rebels destroy it
>"no it is the rebels that are wrong because there might have been thousands of civillians on that military installation"
Interesting logic.
>insist on being treated like prisoners of war
>complain when they are treated like enemies of war
The rebels were extremist puritans. They never bothered to listen to the average person trying to live their lives. They hid out in their safe spaces and only came out to terrorise and torment innocent public servants, not caring about the collateral damage they caused in the process.
The only people you see support the rebels are... other rebels. Complete circlejerk.
>BWell, I'm a contractor myself. I'm
a roofer...(digs into pocket and
produces business card) Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can tell ya a roofer's personal politics come into play heavily when choosing jobs.
>I'm alive because I knew the risks involved on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. Any contractor working on that Death Star knew the risk involved
Haven't any of you niggas seen clerks?
>the healthcare staff
What they’ve got a HR department too? which calls in Vader every he force chokes a subordinate?
Military justice has always been separate to civilian judicial systems
look, they are all space nazis, so it's only right.
They agreed to work on a literal planet-destroying super-weapon of evil so I couldn't care less about "muh civilians"
If you don't want to die, don't live and work on a literal gigantic laser weapon that's only meant to destroy shit for the military. If you're on that thing you're essentially military anyways.
You don't see Civilians working on US aircraft carriers for example, everyone on there is enlisted or on commission / an officer.
Most people wouldn't make the leap that it's morally wrong to be an engineer in the employ of your government.
aircraft carrier isn't the size of a moon and doesn't house 1-2 million people
very different - the aircraft carrier needs to go to port. You're basically saying everyone living in that port city deserves to die.
As has been stated in this thread, that spacestation is more of a symbol of peace. A deterrent against the rebellious forces of terror to get them to lay down their arms. When they blew up Alderaan, they were silent. They didn't celebrate. They knew the gravity of their necessary task.
When the rebels mercilessly ended the lives of millions in an instant? They celebrated. They cheered. They never once cared for all the innocents they called.
>spacestation is more of a symbol of peace. A deterrent against the rebellious forces
ICBMs are a symbol of peace. MAD is all about peace and love. I see it now. The people on the Death Star didn't celebrate because they were being efficient officers of the Empire bringing order to the galaxy.
IIRC, after any war ended, the victors celebrated in the streets. I guess America is Le Bad?
>posts le famous sexual assault photo
lmao i know this is a troll but
Your life must be incredibly boring. But keep it up and maybe we'll be entering the Bad Times to make Strong Men again.
Really? A neighbor is going to just outright murder you for a different opinion? Do you people well?
And if we're deconstructing Star Wars, how did the rest of the galaxy take it when the Death Star was revealed and that it destroyed Alderaan? This is just after the Emperor dissolved the Senate and declared Martial Law.
Nobody would probably be celebrating in public in fear of being dragged off by the Imperials or just shot. Their neighbor wouldn't be doing any lynching.
well, building a death star literally the size of a planet, probably employed a planets worth of people. id say roughly 3 billion people who suddenly lost their jobs in the blink of a thermonuclear explosion, plus the 2 million families who just found out one of their family members just got turned into nothing might be a little, just a tiny bit upset.
You're assuming that everyone in the galaxy was somehow a participant in the Death Star. The Death Star was a supersecret project by the Emperor and not like Lockheed-Martin or Boeing cranking out fighter jets.
I don't know anything about EU canon, but to keep something that secret would probably require the Empire to carve out a base near some mineral rich uninhabited planets and build factories and facilities there. They'd have to find a workforce that has no strong familial ties outside or a populace that wouldn't be missed by the rest of the galaxy.
It would be like the Manhattan Project, but instead of a few tiny bombs, they were building a mobile city. How the hell do you keep that a secret? Certainly not with a general civilian workforce.
>I don't know anything about EU canon, but to keep something that secret would probably require the Empire to carve out a base near some mineral rich uninhabited planets and build factories and facilities there. They'd have to find a workforce that has no strong familial ties outside or a populace that wouldn't be missed by the rest of the galaxy.
IIrc they used wookiee slaves that they just killed afterward.
However it wasn't a very well-kept secret. Rebel leadership was literally aboard the fucking thing at one point.
>Really? A neighbor is going to just outright murder you for a different opinion?
yeah more about the fact they murdered their children, celebrated their demise and then painted them as space nazis when they were probably just needing a job
the rebels only celebrated with their fellow rebels
we'd know if they tried to celebrate in the streets they'd be lynched for all their murdering and their insistence on destabilising people's livelihoods
>yes those child soldiers drafted by the nazis deserved to die how could you tell.
Yes
Correct.
If every single German was executed, it would have been justified.
>moralizing in a war
Silly nonsense, there’s no just war, kill enemy combatants and if there’s civilian collateral so be it, that’s just how it is
It wasn't a war. The rebels were a terrorist group.
Luke or one his friends wanted to be a pilot for the Empire
>what if the emperor was the good guy
macarthur's pants always look absolutely ridiculous
he's always in costume
fitting for someone who fought for clown world
>fitting for someone who fought for clown world
just imagine how they'd look on his nip sidekick
hehe
thanks anon that made me chuckle
The empire was a progressive force opposed to the unfair aristocratic republicanism where hereditary privilege and literal magical eugenics (midiclorians) predominate.
Empire = Soviet Union?
No. The USSR is closer to those aliens from the expanded universe.
They're literally the government, and they recruit regular men who don't have much going on in their lives. To presuppose everyone in the Empire is evil is retarded.
Most people want order and stability in their lives. The Republic and rebellion represented nothing but chaos, so yeah, I would think that most were okay with the empire.
>Most people want order and stability in their lives.
The only reason that order broke down was due to Palpatine. No Palpatine, no war, plenty of order and stability.
Unironically: The best government was the old republic. Yeah, it's flawed and corrupt but it was still fairly affectual and generally kept insane people under control.
That's the thing though. The movies rely on the fact that you know Palpatine is an evil wizard. Basically no one in the SW universe knows that. Even Vader was basically fooled and fully believed in the project of the Empire, at least up to a point.
Ignoring the evil space wizard thing though, there is plenty of political subtext you can use for real life. Like the CIA funding the people that would one day become the Taliban. Whatever the fuck Erdogan did. Or even just the good old classical excuse of "We have to invade them before they invade first".
Unironically, Palpatine in the prequels is just the Bush government.
#NotMyChancellor
>do what we say or be destroyed
Yeah great sounds good.
That's literally the basic philosophy of every government in the world right now.
I argue this it was a nuke with civilian staff who knew the capabilities but not the vulnerabilities
There are plenty of peaceful, legitimate uses for a giant space laser.
I mean, they literally used it in a defensive manner, against terrorists.
but they were?
This was a stupid opinion before the sequel trilogy. But considering the republic
>immediately dismantled their entire military as soon as they regained power
>didn’t crush the imperials and made a peace with them, leaving them large swathes of the galaxy despite their numerical inferiority
>republic politicians were apparently so corrupt they were still collaborating with the first order
>republic politicians outcast Leia from politics because finding out her father was darth vader was a huge scandal (nobody cared Luke’s father was also darth vader for some reason)
The new republic lasted like 20 years then got trillions killed for nothing
Yeah it would totally not be interesting to see star wars from the imperial side. Like completely uninteresting
i look like that and say that
he didnt blow up shit cept for a lone tie fighter
>kills and PTSDs hundreds of thousands of US military aggressors
WOOOOOHOOOOOO
Military aggressors?
>napalm carpet bomb an entire country unrelated to you because they chose a system of government you don't like
>napalm carpet bomb neighboring countries for good measure
>destroy their environment with agent orange which causes health issues to this day
>wipe out villages and destroy their livelihoods
>all the while they posed no realistic threat to you
>w-wait.. you're saying we're the bad guys?
>firebomb the capital city and various other cities killing hundreds of thousands
>then nuke two civilian cities chosen for "maximum effect" of the bombs, killing hundreds of thousands more
or
>go to the philipines saying you are there to liberate them
>spend the next few years following a government mandate to seek out and kill every boy over the age of 10 and all the adult men and women you find in every village
freedom!
Why does he have a wood shaving for a tooth?
the NAP had been violated; taxation is theft.
>sees her entire planet destroyed before her eyes.
>upbeat and quippy next scene
woman moment
She probably had the same personality disorder as Vader
Luke’s got the whiny bitch part and she got the psychopathy
189971552
Go fuck yourself, not even worth a (you). Your bait stinks. The end.
He’s right. Was your uncle a freedom fighter on Alderan
Actually no, he was a sex tourist. he was looking for love in Alderaan places
CARLOS!
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
-NEDA
TETSUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Carlos!
god fucking damnit Carlos I swear to God all mighty
You dropped this
, there you go. You're welcome. 😀
why was the empire bad? uncle ben and aunt baroo were resisting
They lived in a bad neighborhood. How is the Empire's fault?
this
it's explicitly stated that tatooine is a crime-ridden shithole because it's so remote the empire doesn't have as much influence
which is why it makes so little sense it's used so frequently in star wars media after the original trilogy
Why did the empire kill them and the jawa's ?
Vader did not order that , I think it was just a bad apple stromtrooper in that squad
They do be making that face when they blow up people.
Like those dancing guys on 9/11.
>Like those dancing guys on 9/11.
?
>Dresden in Space
>ctrl-F
>no mention of Clerks
>no mention of how their deaths were justified - they knew who they were working for
Get the fuck out, all you fucking newfags. Get the fuck OUT!!!
>>no mention of Clerks
George Lucas actually referenced Clerks in the commentary track for one of the prequel movies, he thought Silent Bob was who did the rant and explained that the Geonosians would be the people dying so don't worry about it.
>it doesn't matter because they're gross bug people
Good old George.
truman-esque
>"No Carrie seriously, there's no underwear in space"
>"Ok so Natalie it'll be ripped right in the center and show off your midriff, its very important to the plot"
>"Filoni make sure Ahsoka is hot"
It's literally always ok when the good guys do it. No exceptions.
if it's anything like real military projects, the rebels killed a bunch of civilian/private contractors too
all tax payers are enemy combatants
Killing them was the lesser evil.
>dude what do you mean im the bad guy, i just work here
>where do you work
>oh its called the death star. its a ship the size of a star, about death
i work at fedex but its neither federal or express
im not sure how this makes you not a public enemy
kek but did anyone actually from the Empire call it the “death star”? It likely would have internally been called “Peace and Security Megastation” or something. Not a SWfag so I dont know
If you are helping space Hitler build the equivalent of a super powered nuclear cruiser day by day I really am curious how well the "I was just following orders" defense would hold in court. I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of books about the subject written in the previous century.
Watch Oppenheimer.
just following orders is a valid excuse
redditors and whatever like to pretend it isn't an excuse but no lone citizen can stand up against a state and society. People will do what is required to get by. The same way when you go outside you don't talk like you do on Cinemaphile. Because you know you can't. The people who say you can are just people who know they'll never have to make that decision themselves.
I dunno, I think there was a big thing in the previous century about "just following orders!" isn't a valid excuse.
> I think there was a big thing in the previous century about "just following orders!" isn't a valid excuse.
Nuremberg? That excuse actually carried you pretty far. It's why so few people actually got the death penalty.
>redditors and whatever like to pretend it isn't an excuse
If by redditors you mean internationally recognized standards on lawful military conduct, then yeah
Why he wearing checkered vans tho
I thought it is the US that has nuclear powerful ships carrying nuclear warheads at all times, and have started 200 wars in the 200 years of their existence.
weird
i think you and your whole family should be blown to shreds
>devolving into impotent thirdie seethe about muh americans because someone mentioned naval capabilities
i'm sorry life in your irrelevant shithole sucks anon, try to not take it out on other people so much.
rebel apologists
>This is war, innocents working on the Death Star are just unfortunate casualties
also rebel apologists
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE DIABOLICAL SHEEV DESTROYED A PLANET THAT WAS THE CENTER OF THE REBELLION'S POWER STRUCTURE? THINK OF THE INNOCENTS!
any openings for janitor roles on the death star?
Depends if you’re willing to work for free or not.
do I get bonus working on the holidays?
There are heroes on both sides
Evil is everywhere
Every single one of them deserved death.
Wagies are not human
How do you get a job on the Death Star?
>chorus of millions of voices all screaming MACLUNKEY
Do they ever actually explain what exactly the Rebels' objection to the Empire is?
If you look at the full timeline of the movies, all that really happens is one useless government gets replaces with a slightly less useless government, and an unaccountable order of galactic policemen get disappeared, which the average person probably wouldn't have known or cared about.
If there wasn't a rebellion, there wouldn't have been a Deathstar in the first place.
americans love the idea of the little guy resistance against the so-called tyrannical government
they don't even need to know any of the background to the situation
>they don't even need to know any of the background to the situation
Ironically, since the Empire in Star Wars is basically just the USA.
>Do they ever actually explain what exactly the Rebels' objection to the Empire is?
Not really, no. At least, not in the movies.
Going by the one major political speech it seems to mostly be senators and other old republicans politicians opposed to the militaristic and violent turn of the Imperial government. Presumably also including separatists remants.
>Millions
I know what you mean, but you should really realize Millions is nothing in the context of a universe like Star Wars.
The death star was being built way before any rebellion existed.
Old aristocracy not liking the new. It’s merely a coincidence that the leadership of the rebels is almost entirely made up of former Republic senators
Wtf happened to the Republican government after they beat the empire in the first trilogy? Why were a few retards "the resistance" when they should have been on the side of the dominant government which only seemed to exist on a couple planets that were easily blown up?
>exactly the Rebels' objection to the Empire is?
>Darth Vader goes around force choking everyone
>force choked a black alien
>I can't breeve
There, the rebels are BLM. Ya happy?
How did the rebels or new republic deal with millions of pissed of family members that lost their sons?
probably dealt with them the same way the empire dealt with dissenters, just off-screen
it's all about the narrative
They stood up for the little man
by blowing up a space station full of them
makes you wonder why the evil rebels couldn't recruit more than a hundred people to their death cult, while the empire had millions of men with honest lives
International humanitarian law, based on the Geneva Conventions and other treaties, recognizes that civilian casualties are sometimes necessary when attacking a legitimate military target(which the Death Star obviously is). If killing civilians was unacceptable across the board, then all a military force would have to do to protect a target is station some civilians there. Instead there is the principle of proportionality:
>The principle of proportionality complements other IHL principles such as the one of distinction to evaluate the legality of military activities. IHL prohibits attacks that may cause “incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated”
Given the power of the Death Star and the fact that it had just been used to commit a war crime dwarfing anything the Nazis ever did, it would be very hard to make the case that the civilian casualties were excessive in relation to the advantage gained by destroying it.
The strike on Alderaan was justified. They refuse to give up terrorists, they insisted they were enemy combatants.They made their bed.
It was proportional in that it was a show of force similar to the US nuclear bombings in Japan. In the long run, it saved lives. Get them to give up now rather than plunge the galaxy into non-stop turmoil. It was the galactic laser of kindness.
Instead the rebels decided to resort to mass murder. They killed every single one of them. Barry the maintenance man. Jake the popcorn scooper. The little babe on the maternity ward full of hope and with a future ahead of it.
lol, lmao. If you want to compare this to Japan, the equivalent of this would be destroying the ENTIRE COUNTRY of Japan as a show of force. That would most certainly be a violation of proportionality, but not nearly as much a violation as destroying a whole planet would.
the rebel terrorists had already stolen plans to make their own deathstar, and would have used it to massacre people all over, spreading chaos.
the empire had to act swiftly and decisively.
ok you lost me, be more subtle next time
you post like a woman from plebbit
Civilisation had spread to most of the galaxy in Star Wars. A single planet was of little consequence, less than a city within a country in our time. If one planet had to go for the entire galaxy to be peaceful, so be it.
Well if we want to continue the Japan analogy, Japan would have absolutely been justified in continuing to attack the US in retaliation for the bombings. If they could have destroyed the US's nuclear capacity in the same way the rebels destroyed the Death Star, they would have been justified in doing so even if it also meant a lot of civilian casualties.
The thing about SW is it's one of those particularly dumb sci-fi universes that basically treat a planet as if it were a city, or something even smaller than a city.
Every planet we see is like one town, or military base, and then a whole lot of nothing.
In a way, the death laser was in fast the death laser of life. The rebels blew it up and ensured constant war and death for the decades to follow.
Imagine if someone got rid of nuclear weapons today. It would be armageddon. War with advanced military weapon systems would begin anew without the fear of a nuclear reprisal. Our children, our children's children. All sent to the frontlines, ground up in the death machine of geopolitical interests.
The Death Star could more appropriately have been called the Peace Star. The Rebels were pro-war. Pro-misery. Pro-orphan.
>International humanitarian law, based on the Geneva Conventions and other treaties
Who says these have any weight? These laws were written ny human hands and can be unwritten by the same, if not outright ignored by powerful enough UNSC member states.
If we follow the principle of proportionality then destroying Alderaan was justified. Alderaan had about 2 billion people, and a government that was abetting, financing, and directly leading a galactic terrorist movement seeking to start a galactic civil war. Meanwhile the galaxy has a population of over one-hundred quadrillion sapient beings, not counting droids. Therefore, killing two-billion people to maintain galactic stability is completely justified, because the lives lost are so marginally minuscule in comparison to the lives safeguarded.
In comparison, blowing up Alderaan is of less import than any of the bombing campaigns carried out in WWII by orders of magnitude. It's most akin to the US military bombing some village hiding insurgents in Vietnam or Afghanistan.
So true
Light 'em up as Sheev used to say
>Vader and his wingman didn't detect the Falcon sneaking up on them
>None of the Death Star gunners noticed the Falcon
>37?
>Yeee-hooo!
>You're all clear, kid! I just banged a dog with a pussy tattooed on its forehead! Now let's blow this thing and go home!
yeah they should have just let them keep destroying planets
Destroying Alderaan was the equivalent of destroying a small city. Unfortunate but hardly monstrous and not at all outside the normal rules of war.
Stop rebelling and murdering civilians and the planet-destroying will stop.
An easy message to understand.
Reminder that Alderaan shot first.
I laughed today. Thank you.
>blows up a million public sector workers
That's what communism is about, chud
>public sector workers blow up countless of planets
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That was specifically Tarkin.
Who blew up a fucking planet.
Friendly reminder Death Star never blew up anything, it was a delousing laser
They were all evil contractors
>place the size of a planet
>had prison cells
>yfw you hear the battle klaxons turn on and think your going to get rescued
They were all on the verge of forming a union anyway.
K-kevin?
>blows up half a million public sectors
god that must of felt good