>it's racist because we decided that the villians were't white enough, so we're gonna shit all over something we're shitting all voer anyway to force diversity to claim this is what Tolkien meant
There's never a single day off from their bullshit, is there? Instead of raping, appropriating, and interpreting other people's creations, they should try to come up with their own shit for once.
This is the most prominent orc in the entire trilogy and he's probably whiter than you are. If you're going to lie, try not to do it with one of the highest grossing franchises of all time that everyone has seen. >inb4 nooooo he was played by a maoi (not black) actor in real life!
Cope.
Don't forget, we also need to remove all references to monkeys everywhere because obviously people will draw comparisons between you and a fricking ape.
what's teh point of wood bowl on teh head?
Those rusts on metal look sick and shit, but that wood... why?
anyway, I will watch it, you will watch it, everyone will want to see it.
no matter what /misc/ shitfest will be written about it
>actual
It's hilarious to think about now, but even the most hardcore grogs were far more tolerant of depiction alteration, as long as there was no gameplay change. Now none of the rules matter, but everything has to sound "correct".
Well for starters they're removing the alignment system that's been with the game all this time. Some people think its stupid so good riddance (and it is kinda stupid) but the reason for doing it is they're convinced its cryptoracism by insinuating an entire (completely fake, objectively nonhuman mind you) race has a predisposition toward being evil.
That's also where the next big change is in that they're gutting races and renaming them. Again, they're chaffing that a fake, nonhuman race of creatures might have a biological predisposition toward being stronger or dumber or weaker or smarter than the average human.
And that's not even getting into the systematic tarnishing of the creators' names as racists for devising the game this way to begin with.
The only saving grace is that 5E is the magnet for these types and their ire, so if you don't play 5E, you'll probably never have to see them.
"What do you mean orcs commit more crimes and join thieves guilds more often than not?"
"What do you mean orcs have lower INT scores than humans and elves?"
"What do you mean orcs are raidish and barbaric and incapable of proper agriculture?"
Racials are raycis! Also they retconned Beholder and Illithids to make sure they were never race slavers, and pretend that slavery never existed in their worlds
From the perspective of a real world physicist, magic isn't actually magic even in fictional settings that contain 'magic'. It doesn't matter how silly/surreal a spell is, there is *still* objective information to it, and thus a hypothetical explanation for it exists in abstract space, even if you cannot understand it or ever get there. Magic is a gap in understandability. Functional ignorance. If it is too understood it is just science by another name, and hence highly disingenuous.
It's all physics. Highly dishonest physics, but still physics. As science progresses, it really becomes apparent that it is just a matter of intensifying scrutiny of things. But I ask you, why would you want to learn who Jack the Ripper was? And if you did, would you share it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Take your vaccine
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>objective information
gave yourself away there, pseud
2 years ago
Anonymous
Something has to first exist, to exist. I am sorry. Nothing can be comprised of nothing. This is basic logic. It's not even a matter of materialism. It's a matter of being *there*. Existing. The closest thing to a non-existent abstract existing is just math. 0s and 1s are never going away ever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you are not a scientist
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't know science.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>muh logic >muh 0s and 1s ackchually exist >objective information
none of that is scientific. all of that is an uneducated r*dditor's idea of science.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The universe runs on math. Sorry to say.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Math is made up. Sorry to say.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Human-invented math is derived from 1s and 0s (which is just a 1), so no.
Math is so weird it is seen as proof of God's existence to some mathematicians. Particularly notable mathematicians.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>human invented isn't made up >I've consulted with aliens on the matter
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon. 1s and 0s and basic divisions are so basic, all sufficiently intelligent life in the universe *will* understand prime numerology. It's why math is considered a universal language - and doubly why we have math on stand-by if we ever come across extraterrestrial intelligences. The Voyager's golden record uses math, not human linguistics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they just will because I say so
Kill the witch!
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Voyager's disc is just Huey Lewis and the News, dude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1 and 0 do not exist. Sorry to say.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you dont exist
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hmm, not so sure about that when individuality (1s and 0s) are for sure an existent thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So if magic is literally just "God wills it. Earth is only 6000 years old, evolution isn't real, ect ect" than you'd still stick with that explaination that it's still physics, it's just that physics is entirely under the whims of a creator entity and whomever it decides to allow to borrow some of its power if prayer is enough, effectively gutting the entire idea of the scientific method and making it meaningless?
2 years ago
Anonymous
God-exclusive physics (physics only God understands) is as exclusive as higher dimensional physics, which God is clearly a part of to some degree. He has always existed, so is therefore experiencing time non-linearly as we do. Him being everywhere and everywhen may be attributed to him being larger than three(four) dimensions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean like how can you have any sort of science, since one of those fundamental things is reproducibility, if God or other magic entities can literally just change them as they please?
Like Newton's three laws are completely undone if you're got a spell that completely does away with every action having an equal and opposite reaction, destroying mass-energy conservation and all of thermodynamics if you can just manifest either from nothingness.
Kinda hard to have scientific laws if someone can just go and rewrite them at any time just via a spell or appeal to a magic entity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
All of that is physics. Higher, meta, practically transcendent physics, but still physics.
>destroying mass-energy conservation
Not possible. If a wizard turns someone into a frog, a physicist is free to assume that *something* is accounting for it. Same if that frog can still talk and think like a human - something is projecting its awareness/consciousness from somewhere.
This is why Hulk and Iron Man are considered wizards from a reader's perspective.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If a wizard turns someone into a frog, a physicist is free to assume that *something* is accounting for it.
You could assume all sorts of shit. And then God says "Nope." Nothing accounted for. I just said 1+1=5, and you have to deal with that now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then, again, that's just higher, meta, practically transcendent physics accounting for facets of itself. Not really hard. It isn't actually breaking anything. It is only breaking our *understanding* of such possibilities. It is all completely natural. Nothing can actually, technically, supersede the natural. If it exists, it is natural!
>I just said 1+1=5, and you have to deal with that now.
Sure, but something is allowing Him to do this. Doesn't matter if we can or cannot understand it. It is still *there*.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>something is allowing Him to do this
Himself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, kind of like how we allow ourselves to flick a BIC lighter to produce a flame. Maybe such capabilities are more seamless and intimate to God, but there's still objectivity to such capacities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You could assume all sorts of shit.
No. Matter/mass doesn't just go away. If you're slapping conservation of mass/energy aside, then you're sending it somewhere. You know this for a fact since there's no explosion of energy happening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Matter/mass doesn't just go away.
They do if it's literally God saying so. It's not going anywhere, it's not being sent. It no longer exists, or vice versa, it has come from nothingness. That's what makes it magic, and not just some fancy matter destroyer, because it specifically violates those laws and logic.
If you asked, He could create a squared circle. He could create a triangle with 7 sides. Pi is now exactly 3. He'd laugh at paradoxes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's what makes it magic, and not just some fancy matter destroyer, because it specifically violates those laws and logic.
This makes no sense. If it exists, it is physics and of laws and logic. There is order even to chaos, allowing it to be chaotic. Your idea of magic is not only small, it is uninspired. Nothing can come from nothing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think your idea is pretty small to not even get the concept of something from nothing, or just something that explicitly has no laws or logic, it simply creates them and or destroys them as it wills. You're trying to much to squeeze it into the "magic is just advanced science" to keep it locked in a box safe for your understanding.
Of course it wouldn't make sense, that's why it's magic, it's super natural because it violates and supersedes the laws of nature, and frees itself from such mundane concepts like causality or conservation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You're trying to much to squeeze it into the "magic is just advanced science" to keep it locked in a box safe for your understanding.
No? You're a fool if you think humans will ever know everything. Your idea of magic is flawed and outdated, is my point. Past persons thought magic to be systemic. Occultists treated magick as a science. Your idea of magic is counter to actual history.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that's why it's magic, it's super natural because it violates and supersedes the laws of nature, and frees itself from such mundane concepts like causality or conservation.
You're falling for Christian semantics if you buy into 'supernatural' or 'preternatural'. These things were only ever brought up to evade accusation. "It's not supernatural, it's preternatural!" "Well what's the bloody difference?" "The difference is you can't accuse me of witchcraft even though I am literally trying to summon demons and control them with the power of God".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Magic isn't magic because it defies physics, it is magic because it defies understanding. UAPs (UFOs) ""defy"" the laws of physics, as stated by physicists discussing the recent matter, but they know it is not literally that.
You have to realize that modern technology already meets the criteria of magic, objectively speaking, since the masses don't actually bother to understand how the devices and amenities they take for granted work. Modern science/tech already defies what was considered possible/impossible, proportionate to the past.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You have to realize that modern technology already meets the criteria of magic
No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
And physics is just understanding, by greater or lesser means, it doesn't matter if someone is simply not smart enough to understand it, that doesn't make something magical just from lack of understanding. It just makes someone a fool. Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic. Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
But actual magic would be simple flat out breaks from that, it'd be a well understood break. It would be God simply willing actions or things into existence, with all explanation or cause being God's will, and faith in God, and I suppose if you wanted to make that scientific, then all of science would be reduced to 1 law: With God, all things are possible. That's it, that's all the science ever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
homie, God is a lie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And thus why there's no magic in the world, it's all material. That's the point.
If you assumed magic to be real it'd be tantamount to assuming God is real and all the implications that'd have.
>No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
>Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic.
That's not what magic is, or can be, since that is an inherently erroneous assertion that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
>Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
No, he's saying it's all the same in the end. Kind of like how space and time are the same, or matter and energy are the same. Science is just a method of observation. You can either apply it (to magic) or you don't. I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
The rest of your post isn't worth entertaining, as you appear to be going in full circles.
>Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
Who cares? Just something thinking its magic doesn't make it magic, it just makes them stupid or unaware of their surroundings, but it doesn't mean it was ever magic.
>No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
>Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic.
That's not what magic is, or can be, since that is an inherently erroneous assertion that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
>Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
No, he's saying it's all the same in the end. Kind of like how space and time are the same, or matter and energy are the same. Science is just a method of observation. You can either apply it (to magic) or you don't. I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
The rest of your post isn't worth entertaining, as you appear to be going in full circles.
>that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
Yes, because magic isn't real. If you were to assume it was that's where all this stuff would come in.
>No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
>Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic.
That's not what magic is, or can be, since that is an inherently erroneous assertion that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
>Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
No, he's saying it's all the same in the end. Kind of like how space and time are the same, or matter and energy are the same. Science is just a method of observation. You can either apply it (to magic) or you don't. I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
The rest of your post isn't worth entertaining, as you appear to be going in full circles.
>I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
If you mean like how a Jaffa Staff Weapon is applied science despite what ancient Egyptians thought, sure.
If you mean like how Moses could just appeal to God and use his staff to part the Red Sea or turn it into a snake, or Jingu Bang to transform according to Sun Wukong's will and nothing more than that, then no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes, because magic isn't real.
Okay, sure, but from the in-setting perspective of X or Y fiction, magic is real, so is therefore physics. Fictional physics.
But you're right in one sense. Magic is what you make of it. It is whatever you want it to be. What is and isn't magic has never not been ironic. Tolkien understood this: the elves of middle-earth do not take their amenities for magic, but men sure do. It's like giving a mars chocolate bar to a medieval peasant. Do you consider a mars bar to be magic? Magic is relative.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Okay, sure, but from the in-setting perspective of X or Y fiction, magic is real, so is therefore physics. Fictional physics.
Some of that might depend on the particular fiction, because just saying 'fictional physics' could be many non magic things.
Like, Star Trek has warp drives that allow FTL travel. That's not magic, it's just scientific/technological development. Same with blasters or whatever.
Magic is going to be shit like Gods, demons, ghosts, spells and other things that generally will make a mockery of physics by violating all sorts of natural laws.
Hence why it's often referred to as supernatural. Because it supersedes the usual order nature would take. It's magical thinking that can have real world effects.
>Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
Yes, since the big and the small will exist regardless of your feelings. You can't say nothing exists in a magic missile past the point of using a microscope - because then you're declaring its objective makeup to be non-existent - so the magic missile was never there?
It makes no sense, really.
>What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim
Something to do with the green light - aka energy - that caused the heart to stop - the literal description for what it does.
>You can't say nothing exists in a magic missile past the point of using a microscope - because then you're declaring its objective makeup to be non-existent - so the magic missile was never there? >It makes no sense, really.
Yeah...that's why it's magic.
Maybe it's a spell that just punches out your soul with no effect on anything physical. Just the soul gets punched out and your body drops like a sack of potatoes and its all over.
Or someone stabs your shadow and it cuts you in half, or smashes a magic mirror with your reflection and it makes you fall into a bunch of glass shaped pieces. Docs are going to have a field day trying to put any sort of logical explanation on those. Because there is none, it's magic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Some of that might depend on the particular fiction, because just saying 'fictional physics' could be many non magic things.
Writers, being human and fallible, are entirely capable of writing ignorance into their own works. That is precisely the draw of surrealist fiction, but all of fantasy can be considered surreal.
>Like, Star Trek has warp drives that allow FTL travel. That's not magic, it's just scientific/technological development. Same with blasters or whatever.
Well, no, Star Trek is inherently more space-fantasy than true science-fiction. There is no sound in space. Teleporters would kill/disintegrate you. Aliens in the universe wouldn't all conveniently be humanoid or around the same level of scientific and technological development. Planets that have but a single culture. Desert planets with breathable atmospheres. Etc.
Star Trek is, more or less, just Dungeons & Dragons in space, with the vacuum of space standing in for mountains/forests as borders.
>Magic is going to be shit like Gods, demons, ghosts, spells and other things that generally will make a mockery of physics by violating all sorts of natural laws.
Those laws aren't being violated if they're doing such things within the bounds of their setting, as it is completely allowed. They are only being violated from the point of view of the reader, who is more aware of such contrasting differences.
>Hence why it's often referred to as supernatural. Because it supersedes the usual order nature would take. It's magical thinking that can have real world effects.
If something exists, it is natural. I am not entertaining this sort of wrong think that has no basis in logic. I am done with it, sorry-not-sorry. ( See
>that's why it's magic, it's super natural because it violates and supersedes the laws of nature, and frees itself from such mundane concepts like causality or conservation.
You're falling for Christian semantics if you buy into 'supernatural' or 'preternatural'. These things were only ever brought up to evade accusation. "It's not supernatural, it's preternatural!" "Well what's the bloody difference?" "The difference is you can't accuse me of witchcraft even though I am literally trying to summon demons and control them with the power of God".
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>Yeah...that's why it's magic.
So are UFOs magic? (They literally are)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
>Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic.
That's not what magic is, or can be, since that is an inherently erroneous assertion that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
>Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
No, he's saying it's all the same in the end. Kind of like how space and time are the same, or matter and energy are the same. Science is just a method of observation. You can either apply it (to magic) or you don't. I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
The rest of your post isn't worth entertaining, as you appear to be going in full circles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
...Do you really think there wouldn't be particles to a magic missile or a fireball?
NGMI
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe, maybe not.
Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim that'd make a lick of sense? Or death by stabbing a Voodoo doll?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
Yes, since the big and the small will exist regardless of your feelings. You can't say nothing exists in a magic missile past the point of using a microscope - because then you're declaring its objective makeup to be non-existent - so the magic missile was never there?
It makes no sense, really.
>What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim
Something to do with the green light - aka energy - that caused the heart to stop - the literal description for what it does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re confusing “magic” with the *appearance* of magic. Zoroastrianism, the oldest surviving monotheistic religion, has at its core a reverence for fire which is believed to have been influenced by one of nature’s “magical” eternal flames, something we now know to be the result of venting methane. The Old Testament has Moses and the burning bush, burning but not consumed. To ancient man, a bic lighter would be seen as a magical device. It is, however, clearly not magic. In contrast, were I to hold out my hand and petition some spirit or deity to light it afire without burning it, and were that to actually happen, *that* would be magic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Now you're being ironic. Magic to the masses is just aesthetic/style. Not objective capacity defying what is considered possible/impossible.
A fireball is as magical as a grenade or a flamethrower to a man from ancient antiquity. They both amount to to the same thing. Fire is being employed in a mysterious manner unbefitting of present exposure to such things.
>To ancient man, a bic lighter would be seen as a magical device. It is, however, clearly not magic.
To the ancient man, it is 100% magic because they haven't an inkling of its function, or how to go about replicating it.
>In contrast, were I to hold out my hand and petition some spirit or deity to light it afire without burning it, and were that to actually happen, *that* would be magic.
It's about as magical as a BIC lighter, since that spirit or deity actually exists in this hypothetical scenario, and is using physics to light fire on behalf of the human.
But sure, magic as a matter of intermediaries is a good way to go about it. Magic is aliens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>To the ancient man, it is 100% magic because they haven't an inkling of its function
So they're wrong. That's it, they're just wrong, who gives a shit what incorrect things Unga bunga thinks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Okay, and the human who petitioned the deity/spirit is also wrong, since you're basically submitting to another intelligence in an uneducated, religious manner.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if God or other magic entities can literally just change them as they please?
Those are just sufficiently powerful and advanced aliens, by the by. Magic functions as a stand-in term.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kinda hard to have scientific laws if someone can just go and rewrite them at any time just via a spell or appeal to a magic entity.
How is magic not a science if it is replicable and capable of reliably doing what you just said? Christ. I'm not even this stupid. Physics doesn't defy itself. Magic isn't the opposite of anything.
>they retconned Beholder and Illithids to make sure they were never race slavers
I'm pretty sure that paralyzing someone and then eating their brains while they are alive is way worse than slavery, but I'm not a libtard so what do I know?
I wonder what it's like to be a moronic frick, who has the insane take that the Left trying to advantage non-whites at every turn, are the true racist.
>They were generally squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, bow-legged, with wide mouths and slant eyes, long arms, dark skin, and fangs."
Who, black people?
>Sallow skin refers to skin that has lost its natural complexion. When this happens, your skin may appear yellow or brown in tone, especially on your face.
>hey were faster than normal Orcs and could travel during the day without being weakened. They were not only faster but smarter, stronger and larger, though they were still shorter than Men. >Treebeard openly wonders if they are Orcs that have been somehow "improved", or Men that were corrupted with Orc-like qualities, or if they were indeed a blending of Men and Orcs, an act which Treebeard considered to be "a black evil".
How brain damaged are you? Uruk-Hai are not Orcs you dumb Black person c**t
Uruk-Hai are a specific type of Orc hybrid created during the Third War you see normal Orcs in the opening of the first film and as the main force in the third film the picture in OP on the left is a Uruk-Hai which are the main enemy only in the second film you stupid Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Uruk-Hai are a specific type of Orc hybrid
ok so you agree that your previous post was wrong and uruks are orcs
not sure what the rest of this nonsense is about, you seem to be arguing against voices in your head
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The race of uruks, described as "black orcs of great strength",
Uruk-Hai are Orcs(Orc hybrid technically) but not all Orcs are Uruk-Hai you dumb Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but not all Orcs are Uruk-Hai
good thing I never said that
You are the one who said something foolish here. If you need a reminder, it was >Uruk-Hai are not Orcs
2 years ago
Anonymous
They aren't Orcs you stupid Black person they're a hybrid race created during the Third War the picture in the OP on the left is a Uruk-Hai the LotR films are full of Orcs just not the second film because those are Uruk-Hai that Saruman created to destroy Rohan the Uruk-Hai depicted are accurate to how they're described in the books you filthy Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
your last post you said >Uruk-Hai are Orcs
now it's >They aren't Orcs you stupid Black person
you know the "uruk" part means orc, right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Orc hybrid, is a liger a lion? Is it a tiger? No it's something unique you dumb Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
nope. there are half-orcs but they're not the same. uruk hai are just big Black person fighting orcs. they're referred to as orcs in the book all the time but reading that much is probably beyond your abilities
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black folk are still called Black folk even if they're half-human aka have a non-Black person parent doesn't mean they're not half-human
2 years ago
Anonymous
concession accepted
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you concede
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still a big cat, the other anon has made a better argument than you. Drink bleach, and stop acting like an orc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
uruks are orcs
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah and so are mixed babies
2 years ago
Anonymous
Uruk-hai are an invention of the movie. Uruks in the books are just big orcs who stand more upright and aren't as affected by sunlight. Saruman isn't even involved with them and they show up even in Moria.
Why the frick are you homosexuals getting uppity when it's obviously fake? You people always paint yourself as the smartest beings on the planet but you are incredibly dumb.
How is the article claiming they are racist, because they talk like if they where from britain? Or why? I have no intention of giving clicks to that shit.
It's not some organic spread of the ideas, nor even peer pressure. The ~~*owners*~~ of these industries want the propaganda in their products, whether they make money or not. Destroying culture is a very important investment for them. The creators can only either stay or walk away from the project and be replaced.
It's funny because I think it was comicbook.com who did a fact check on this and while they determined the 2019 sales of Demon Slayer didn't beat American comics, they had to admit that the 2020 figures did (excusing it by saying it was just a spike in sales and that the complete American figures weren't in).
>Racist
Why is portraying people how they are/were racist?
I mean the movie didn't flesh out the orcs but the orcs in the books actually were independent before The Wizard Sarumon took them over after leading them to prosperity. Orcs are actually victims in the books even living as slaves
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literally 0 posts saying the makeup effects on the orcs are bad, take your meds shill.
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So bold.. So brave.. The Mouth piece for the mainstream media.. So bold and so brave.. You deserve a medal for this bold and brave post. An award even.
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You should at least try to tag people relevant to your post
One thing that I actually enjoy about these sorts of outlets is how they'll literally fabricate controversies to edit history like an actual Ministry of Truth. They can simply print something and it will become reality in many people's minds.
These places like Screenrant or FilmJunkies or PolygonFrickers or CultureCrashershitters or whatever can literally publish anything, and there is a proportion of readers who will believe it without batting an eye.
Reminder that Orcs are chinks. >The Orcs are definitely stated to be corruptions of the 'human' form seen in Elves and Men. They are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
Lol, you guys are morons with this whole orcs = Black folk.
It's pretty obvious that's not the case because the books are from like 1950s when no one cared about them. They were just those morons ruled by whites in the colonies.
Everything bad in LotR comes from the East.
So bold.. So brave.. The Mouth piece for the mainstream media.. So bold and so brave.. You deserve a medal for this bold and brave post. An award even.
Jackson's Orcs weren't "black people", looks pretty "sallow" to me
pic related
The Uruk Hai aren't fricking orcs, they're dark because Tolkien described them as swart.
I fricking hate Amazon and the morons who write fluff pieces for them. all of this shows a fundamental lack of respect for the IP and once again shows that evil cannot create.
Skull helmet guy gets a ton of recognition in orc threads but honestly the ones on either side of him are fantastic. Both look like they came right out of an Alan Lee illustration.
You're acting like this hasn't been the new norm for years now. I've posted fake tweets that were preposterously absurd thinking "no one would actually believe this is real", told anons its not real, and STILL had the thread continue on with people argument against something someone never said. Even when you tell people what they're reading is fake, they're going to believe first whatever suits their bias or motives.
While I didn't believe the OP, it's kind of an unfair fake because "Tolkien's orcs are racist caricatures of Africans" has been genuinely part of the discourse for years.
Are homosexuals actually arguing that magic can't exist in a fantasy setting because their little materialist minds can't conceive of immaterial things
Immaterial beings would still have an objective makeup, allowing them to exist and be present. Therefore material.
Your idea of materialism is offensive, since you seem to think anything that isn't materialism is just smoke and mirrors, which is still comprised of objective information. I don't care how different something is, it is still *there*.
If you want God to exist, he actually has to be *there*. Your argument is basically "I don't want God to exist", but twisted to suit something that doesn't actually support it.
But immaterial powers only need a material conduit to be expressed in our world. I accept your concession, you're not nearly as smart as you think. >your argument is basically
None of the things you typed. As mentioned previously you aren't nearly as smart as you think
>No I don't
You are indirectly stating that something doesn't have to exist, to exist. So, yes, you do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Where have I stated that and related it to God? Stop trying to be smart I am begging you
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Where have I stated that and related it to God?
By pretending that magic/God/etc defies physics. That is more or less what you are stating. Posts like this
I mean like how can you have any sort of science, since one of those fundamental things is reproducibility, if God or other magic entities can literally just change them as they please?
Like Newton's three laws are completely undone if you're got a spell that completely does away with every action having an equal and opposite reaction, destroying mass-energy conservation and all of thermodynamics if you can just manifest either from nothingness.
Kinda hard to have scientific laws if someone can just go and rewrite them at any time just via a spell or appeal to a magic entity.
It doesn't add up. It just doesn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats not my post. But yea God and magic can defy physics. Your inability to see beyond a materialist worldview is your problem not mine lol
Maybe, maybe not.
Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim that'd make a lick of sense? Or death by stabbing a Voodoo doll?
Uh bro a writer made up a quote so like you have to agree
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But yea God and magic can defy physics.
No. If it exists, it is physics. God is his own existence. Ergo physics. He may afford himself differently, but it is still physics.
>Your inability to see beyond a materialist worldview is your problem not mine lol
See, the thing is, materialism isn't the right word to use here. It is less materialism, and more there-ism. If it is there, existent, then it is comprised of something, allowing it to exist and occur and be present. For some reason this offends you.
Physicists already toy with the very probable notion that there are universes that run *vastly* differently to our own, but they're still *there*.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if it exists it's physics
What an absurdly narcissistic view of reality. Simply put, no. If it exists it is. Physics isn't even a real thing let alone a thing that imbues being you dumb fricking materialist homosexual. Nothing funnier than atheist science lovers trying to make their delusions valid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're getting angry now, and stating falsehoods. Physics is very present. Sorry to hurt you this much, my goal isn't to plague you with cognitive dissonance. I know it's hard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>physics is very present
Show me physics anon. Let me touch "physics". Ironic you say cognitive dissonance when you literally state it's "not materialism it's there-ism" not realizing you are too fricking stupid to understand those are the same fricking thing. This entire thread you've desperately been trying to appear smart by talking about things very clearly above your pay grade as showcased by your confusion over very basic terms. You are sperging at an abstract and using another abstract to justify it. You are pants on head moronic and it's depressing you have too much hubris to realize it. >physics is very present >God is ever present
Please explain the difference between these two abstract claims anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fire hot. Physics. Where is God exactly affirming his presence? I am feeling no heat here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fire existing means this intellectual abstract concept also is a tangible thing
You are so fricking dumb it's actually painful stop fricking typing. If you want to have a philosophical conversation you should read some basic shit so you don't look moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does fire burn. Yes or no?
2 years ago
Anonymous
42
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thing is associated with the study of physics therefore physics exists
Truly this is the dumbest argument I've ever seen an atheist made. And it's fricking hilarious because he doesn't eve see how this line of logic extends to God as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not an atheist. If God exists, he exists, and is an alien. You are free to worship Him.
What's more godly, Zeus on his mountain of power, or that neighbouring hyper- AI that assimilated a third of the Andromeda galaxy?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm not an atheist >if God exists he's an alien
So you are in fact an atheist. Why are you trying to lie to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I am saying God, if he exists, is just a sufficiently powerful/advanced entity, likely sourced to higher dimensions.
You will notice that all religion, everywhere, is just a long ass game of telephone twisted throughout millennia. It all started from somewhere. By default you are being mind controlled by any single religion, if you believe it, as such things are skewed by past interpretations/misinterpretations. How many times do you think the Bible has been edited?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How are you not an atheist anon? Not even reading any of your posts until you state your religious beliefs so I can see just how dishonest you are
You can't even contest me on this, and it shows. Please explain to me how something can exist without existing. Are you hoping for some unreal anime universe to lose your virginity to?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I can think of unicorns >therefore unicorns
2 years ago
Anonymous
God exists. But he is not physically a part of the universe you can interact with. Thats how!
2 years ago
Anonymous
So he is higher dimensional...? A four-dimensional being can only partially fit into our three dimensions lol. Makes sense. It's aliens all the way up and all the way down. God, being everywhere, would be more alien than not, after all...
2 years ago
Anonymous
No dimensional implies he is within the confines of the material universe. Stop trying to be smart, learn about the philosophy of Divinity before you come around making grade school arguments its embarrassing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Being in four (or higher) dimensions means he is outside our physical perceptions, so...
Try comprehending a four-dimensional cube with *eight* *three dimensional* *sides*. You can't! So it is with God. You can't fathom Him, clearly.
You do him a disservice by placing him so low, honestly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God is not confined by any dimensions because he exists outside of the universe. Sorry something so unbelievably simple to grasp is beyond your sophistry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, he is clearly sourced to higher dimensions. It's even in the Bible that you cannot confront God without dying, and you wouldn't survive stepping into higher dimensions either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No... he's not. Read the Bible anon. Why can't atheists see how stupid they are >God not real >lemme talk about higher dimensions though even though they have only ever been suggested to exist under a theoretical framework
Embarrassing read the Bible before you try arguing with it
2 years ago
Anonymous
talk about higher dimensions though even though they have only ever been suggested to exist under a theoretical framework
We know higher dimensions exist because of math, and there may be as many as eleven.
Do you even know what a tesseract is? You, literally, cannot comprehend higher dimensions. How is that not magic? It defies our three-dimensional perceptions.
Again, try comprehending a *cube* with *eight* *three dimensional sides* (cubes). And it goes up. A fifth dimensional cube with ten four dimensional sides with eight three dimensional sides etc etc...
We are only capable of seeing shadows.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>because of math >that thing with unproven axioms
Oof
2 years ago
Anonymous
Math is never wrong. Is it too perfect to even be considered a proper science. It is close to divination in that respect. We would not be able to know things without it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Physics is when 1+1=2
Magic is when 1+1=Whatever I want it to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Magic is when 1+1=Whatever I want it to be.
This is only allowed because of 1+1=2 in the background, allowing 'Whatever I want it to be' to occur and function. There are layers to physics, and nothing happens without reason. It may be highly exotic, practically alien/arcane reason that you will never understand (which is precisely what magic is), but it is still there, somewhere.
Again, chaos isn't the opposite of order, as there is a chaotic order allowing chaos to be chaotic. So it is with "magic" defying norms. And I repeat, are UFOs magic because they defy our understanding of physics? Yes and no. But mostly yes (by objective function), and a little bit no (we won't refer to it as magic, despite it being seemingly an impossible occurrence.
Semantics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic, people? Why are you overcomplicating things?
The definition of magic is very simple:
1. You can create something out of nothing.
Or, if you want to complicate it:
2. You can achieve the result of a process without the process itself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can create something out of nothing.
Only from a lesser perspective. It may as well be from nothing. >You can achieve the result of a process without the process itself.
We already do this today with technology. Skipping steps.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're engaging in semantics. I meant achieving the results of a process without a process. Not a shortened version.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not semantics. I suggest looking up the word right now.
And yes, we do skip processes with technology.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Already you're rephrasing. Once again pure semantics. Here ----> L
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. All I know is you are somewhat iffy at word usage. Can I just pat your head and call it a day?
Doubly funny when you realize that this is probably the guy asserting "physics exists" because fire is hot
2 years ago
Anonymous
What allows fire to burn, anon? What are the mechanisms behind fire? That's physics. Is fire present? Yes? The combustion + ionization processes exists. Tough.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are so fricking dumb it hurts. Physics is an abstract intellectual construct. It does not exist. We associate things together under the banner of physics for conveniences sake. Not because physics is a tangible thing. Your arguments for physics existence are no different than an argument for God's existence, cause and effect. Of course you are amoron and still won't understand this after having it made painfully fricking clear
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't understand physics I guess. Either because your brain chemistry is getting the better of you (cognitive dissonance), or you're just frustrated and red faced and typing for typing's sake.
How are you not an atheist anon? Not even reading any of your posts until you state your religious beliefs so I can see just how dishonest you are
Because godlike things *can* hypothetically exist, and at what point is a god not a god? Because it's not a human god? Well that's just wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you don't understand physics >you don't understand <religion>
Same energy. You're just too dumb to understand why. That's okay not wasting time with you anymore
2 years ago
Anonymous
Physics is how the universe runs, dipshit. Good fricking LORD, you people.
Tolkien literally never said anything about disliking Asians you moronic homosexual, only that physically the orcs appeared as degraded forms of what many Westerners (at the time) caricatured/imagined Asiatics as.
As opposed to bird people which is what the letter he was responding to was suggesting.
orcs are supposed to be the foreign other. the barbarian. i know it can be offensive, so its really fine if they make them white too. but the way that they make them exclusively white is so pathetic. i hate israelites, millennials, corpos, and morons so much. we can't have nice things because of how stupid they are. they won't make a better world, they'll just invert the color palette of hell.
>stereotypical racist portrayal of orcs
Ok what's going on here?
Are they suggesting that orcs are clearly a stand in for a real life race? E.G. Black folk?
In which case, they are very racist.
Or are they suggesting that portrayal of 100% fictional races is still racism?
Like they see warcraft orcs and see LOTR as cliche bad guys? Is this just complaining about how generic evil they are?
Are they going to introduce a nice orc?
This can be seen in how Gandalf reflects upon whether any still living dragon would be able to melt the One Ring. This means that some dragons can be reasoned with, and are not complete monsters, since Gandalf even thought about employing dragon fire.
Unfortunately, he didn't have time to implement it in any significant way for other races.
>a dozen replies letting the moronic headline-only NPCs know its an obvious fake >thread still keeps riding at top speed
You don't even care, do you? You're just here to be mad. That's your life.
>magic totally isn't science even though I can cast the same """physics breaking""" spell a hundred times in a day and charge my mana stores using mana crystals atop a carefully constructed and retractable metal rod/wand
I bet you dumbasses thing Harry Potter magic isn't scientific or those bullshit items aren't magical technology
All magic in tabletop or video games is technically a science since it has rules to follow, like Dungeons & Dragons. (Unless the rules are for the players, not the characters)
Magic that isn't a science isn't at all something you can do whenever you want, like Game of Thrones. (Unless it is genetic)
Ain't nothing book accurate about Amazon rings.
crazy how they shift the narrative about book accuracy when it benefits them
9000 IQ power play. Any jack ass can move one goal post. But when you're moving them both goal posts, you can run away with the entire game
>it's racist because we decided that the villians were't white enough, so we're gonna shit all over something we're shitting all voer anyway to force diversity to claim this is what Tolkien meant
There's never a single day off from their bullshit, is there? Instead of raping, appropriating, and interpreting other people's creations, they should try to come up with their own shit for once.
Exactly.
Different journalists are going to have different opinions. Take your meds homosexual. Also
>getting mad about medieval capeshit tv show
>Different journalists are going to have different opinions.
>Different journalists are going to have different opinions
have a nice day you dumb c**t
Look at this guy, he thinks journalism is even a thing anymore hahaha
they did the same for the new onions of war claiming fat thor is more accurate to mythology and then include some token Black as goddess
How are PJ's orcs racist?
They aren't, actually.
If anything, they're classist, the orcs talk like British football hooligans and similar pleb.
Yes but the dwarves, the hobbits and the men of rohan also talk like plebs
They were literally played by blacks and had black skin
The one in the OP is white if you pay attention
This is the most prominent orc in the entire trilogy and he's probably whiter than you are. If you're going to lie, try not to do it with one of the highest grossing franchises of all time that everyone has seen.
>inb4 nooooo he was played by a maoi (not black) actor in real life!
Cope.
despite making up just 13% of middle earth's population
>stereotypical
>racist
I'm glad someone is finally correcting the Roman depection of the rest of Europe.
so how much of the rings of power budget is going to media promos then actual filming?
all of it
Except the Uruk Hai are literally described as "swart" in the books
Fricking israelite rats
Swarthy means dark skinned, amazon wouldn’t lie to us.
>Uruk Hai
These aren't uruk hai, or at least they shouldn't be. They weren't around until the time of LotR.
It's an Urukhai on the left.
>orcs were black
>dat wuz raysis
>now orcs white and
>no longer raysis
Lmao
Checked. The modern world in a nutshell.
>stereotypical racist portrayal of orcs
>as if orcs are real
>but they're black and evil
>make them white
>problem solved
bravo clown world
>Book-Accurate Orcs
Who put an abbo filter on that baby
This fricking shoop actually tricked me. Well done.
>Just want to gain more positive representation for you own kind
>is reminded your fight is compared to orc as sub-humans
>tfw you were born black
Don't forget, we also need to remove all references to monkeys everywhere because obviously people will draw comparisons between you and a fricking ape.
fake and gay
One of the biggest controversies? I have literally never heard of this controversy.
Is this one of those satirical orcposting screenshots?
not googling it
Real life has surpassed the satire
Anon you made this article up, it doesn't appear on the writer's portfolio
https://screenrant.com/author/eleane-kuiper/
here is the actual article, it's just some promotional images of orcs from the new show
https://screenrant.com/lotr-rings-power-tv-show-orcs-images/
They made them look like white grandmas.
Holy frick that looks like shit
what's teh point of wood bowl on teh head?
Those rusts on metal look sick and shit, but that wood... why?
anyway, I will watch it, you will watch it, everyone will want to see it.
no matter what /misc/ shitfest will be written about it
looks fricking great
>pale skinned blue eyed orcs
Honest question - how many classes on the Holocaust do you have in American schools? In Poland I had literally one class in high school.
remember, /misc/ ALWAYS lies
Rent free
Around polacks,never relax
Nah I still prefer the original
Those are Uruk-Hai which are Orcs mixed with Goblin Men you see various depiction of Orcs throughout the series
>book-accuracy good for Orcs
>not good for other things
What did they mean by this?
>mfw entire orcs = black people "controversy"
I wonder what it's like being a subconscious racist and then trying to rationalize it.
It's called being a liberal.
it's funny because actual roleplayers never really saw things that way
>actual
It's hilarious to think about now, but even the most hardcore grogs were far more tolerant of depiction alteration, as long as there was no gameplay change. Now none of the rules matter, but everything has to sound "correct".
Exactly.
This is exactly what most of the tabletop RPG community was wondering when D&D started blatantly adding woke shit to the rulebooks
Give me examples
I'm assuming it didn't get woke until 5e
you mean until the normies pretended to be D&D fans after stranger things came out
Well for starters they're removing the alignment system that's been with the game all this time. Some people think its stupid so good riddance (and it is kinda stupid) but the reason for doing it is they're convinced its cryptoracism by insinuating an entire (completely fake, objectively nonhuman mind you) race has a predisposition toward being evil.
That's also where the next big change is in that they're gutting races and renaming them. Again, they're chaffing that a fake, nonhuman race of creatures might have a biological predisposition toward being stronger or dumber or weaker or smarter than the average human.
And that's not even getting into the systematic tarnishing of the creators' names as racists for devising the game this way to begin with.
The only saving grace is that 5E is the magnet for these types and their ire, so if you don't play 5E, you'll probably never have to see them.
Pandering to people who will never play your game. This is just depressing.
literally pic rel
Wouldn't the dark elves being evil be more of a fitting analogy?
Did they really get bent out of shape over orcs?
lmfao
"What do you mean orcs commit more crimes and join thieves guilds more often than not?"
"What do you mean orcs have lower INT scores than humans and elves?"
"What do you mean orcs are raidish and barbaric and incapable of proper agriculture?"
Racials are raycis! Also they retconned Beholder and Illithids to make sure they were never race slavers, and pretend that slavery never existed in their worlds
Last I read, they kept the Gith background, so what are you talking about with the Mind Flyers not having slaves? Duergar were still enslaved.
Oh, sorry, my mistake.
They retconned Ilithids so they're not slaves to le elder brain. Can't be like the Chinese...
>join thieves guilds more often than not
fricking moron orcs are shit rogues
>and pretend that slavery never existed in their worlds
lol Dark Sun is never getting a 5e update ever is it?
>its true
Someone should tell that that everything being magic is super science denyer behavior.
From the perspective of a real world physicist, magic isn't actually magic even in fictional settings that contain 'magic'. It doesn't matter how silly/surreal a spell is, there is *still* objective information to it, and thus a hypothetical explanation for it exists in abstract space, even if you cannot understand it or ever get there. Magic is a gap in understandability. Functional ignorance. If it is too understood it is just science by another name, and hence highly disingenuous.
It's all physics. Highly dishonest physics, but still physics. As science progresses, it really becomes apparent that it is just a matter of intensifying scrutiny of things. But I ask you, why would you want to learn who Jack the Ripper was? And if you did, would you share it?
Take your vaccine
Wat.
>objective information
gave yourself away there, pseud
Something has to first exist, to exist. I am sorry. Nothing can be comprised of nothing. This is basic logic. It's not even a matter of materialism. It's a matter of being *there*. Existing. The closest thing to a non-existent abstract existing is just math. 0s and 1s are never going away ever.
you are not a scientist
You don't know science.
>muh logic
>muh 0s and 1s ackchually exist
>objective information
none of that is scientific. all of that is an uneducated r*dditor's idea of science.
The universe runs on math. Sorry to say.
Math is made up. Sorry to say.
Human-invented math is derived from 1s and 0s (which is just a 1), so no.
Math is so weird it is seen as proof of God's existence to some mathematicians. Particularly notable mathematicians.
>human invented isn't made up
>I've consulted with aliens on the matter
Anon. 1s and 0s and basic divisions are so basic, all sufficiently intelligent life in the universe *will* understand prime numerology. It's why math is considered a universal language - and doubly why we have math on stand-by if we ever come across extraterrestrial intelligences. The Voyager's golden record uses math, not human linguistics.
>they just will because I say so
Kill the witch!
The Voyager's disc is just Huey Lewis and the News, dude.
1 and 0 do not exist. Sorry to say.
you dont exist
Hmm, not so sure about that when individuality (1s and 0s) are for sure an existent thing.
So if magic is literally just "God wills it. Earth is only 6000 years old, evolution isn't real, ect ect" than you'd still stick with that explaination that it's still physics, it's just that physics is entirely under the whims of a creator entity and whomever it decides to allow to borrow some of its power if prayer is enough, effectively gutting the entire idea of the scientific method and making it meaningless?
God-exclusive physics (physics only God understands) is as exclusive as higher dimensional physics, which God is clearly a part of to some degree. He has always existed, so is therefore experiencing time non-linearly as we do. Him being everywhere and everywhen may be attributed to him being larger than three(four) dimensions.
I mean like how can you have any sort of science, since one of those fundamental things is reproducibility, if God or other magic entities can literally just change them as they please?
Like Newton's three laws are completely undone if you're got a spell that completely does away with every action having an equal and opposite reaction, destroying mass-energy conservation and all of thermodynamics if you can just manifest either from nothingness.
Kinda hard to have scientific laws if someone can just go and rewrite them at any time just via a spell or appeal to a magic entity.
All of that is physics. Higher, meta, practically transcendent physics, but still physics.
>destroying mass-energy conservation
Not possible. If a wizard turns someone into a frog, a physicist is free to assume that *something* is accounting for it. Same if that frog can still talk and think like a human - something is projecting its awareness/consciousness from somewhere.
This is why Hulk and Iron Man are considered wizards from a reader's perspective.
>If a wizard turns someone into a frog, a physicist is free to assume that *something* is accounting for it.
You could assume all sorts of shit. And then God says "Nope." Nothing accounted for. I just said 1+1=5, and you have to deal with that now.
Then, again, that's just higher, meta, practically transcendent physics accounting for facets of itself. Not really hard. It isn't actually breaking anything. It is only breaking our *understanding* of such possibilities. It is all completely natural. Nothing can actually, technically, supersede the natural. If it exists, it is natural!
>I just said 1+1=5, and you have to deal with that now.
Sure, but something is allowing Him to do this. Doesn't matter if we can or cannot understand it. It is still *there*.
>something is allowing Him to do this
Himself.
Yes, kind of like how we allow ourselves to flick a BIC lighter to produce a flame. Maybe such capabilities are more seamless and intimate to God, but there's still objectivity to such capacities.
>You could assume all sorts of shit.
No. Matter/mass doesn't just go away. If you're slapping conservation of mass/energy aside, then you're sending it somewhere. You know this for a fact since there's no explosion of energy happening.
>Matter/mass doesn't just go away.
They do if it's literally God saying so. It's not going anywhere, it's not being sent. It no longer exists, or vice versa, it has come from nothingness. That's what makes it magic, and not just some fancy matter destroyer, because it specifically violates those laws and logic.
If you asked, He could create a squared circle. He could create a triangle with 7 sides. Pi is now exactly 3. He'd laugh at paradoxes.
>That's what makes it magic, and not just some fancy matter destroyer, because it specifically violates those laws and logic.
This makes no sense. If it exists, it is physics and of laws and logic. There is order even to chaos, allowing it to be chaotic. Your idea of magic is not only small, it is uninspired. Nothing can come from nothing.
I think your idea is pretty small to not even get the concept of something from nothing, or just something that explicitly has no laws or logic, it simply creates them and or destroys them as it wills. You're trying to much to squeeze it into the "magic is just advanced science" to keep it locked in a box safe for your understanding.
Of course it wouldn't make sense, that's why it's magic, it's super natural because it violates and supersedes the laws of nature, and frees itself from such mundane concepts like causality or conservation.
>You're trying to much to squeeze it into the "magic is just advanced science" to keep it locked in a box safe for your understanding.
No? You're a fool if you think humans will ever know everything. Your idea of magic is flawed and outdated, is my point. Past persons thought magic to be systemic. Occultists treated magick as a science. Your idea of magic is counter to actual history.
>that's why it's magic, it's super natural because it violates and supersedes the laws of nature, and frees itself from such mundane concepts like causality or conservation.
You're falling for Christian semantics if you buy into 'supernatural' or 'preternatural'. These things were only ever brought up to evade accusation. "It's not supernatural, it's preternatural!" "Well what's the bloody difference?" "The difference is you can't accuse me of witchcraft even though I am literally trying to summon demons and control them with the power of God".
Magic isn't magic because it defies physics, it is magic because it defies understanding. UAPs (UFOs) ""defy"" the laws of physics, as stated by physicists discussing the recent matter, but they know it is not literally that.
You have to realize that modern technology already meets the criteria of magic, objectively speaking, since the masses don't actually bother to understand how the devices and amenities they take for granted work. Modern science/tech already defies what was considered possible/impossible, proportionate to the past.
>You have to realize that modern technology already meets the criteria of magic
No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
And physics is just understanding, by greater or lesser means, it doesn't matter if someone is simply not smart enough to understand it, that doesn't make something magical just from lack of understanding. It just makes someone a fool. Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic. Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
But actual magic would be simple flat out breaks from that, it'd be a well understood break. It would be God simply willing actions or things into existence, with all explanation or cause being God's will, and faith in God, and I suppose if you wanted to make that scientific, then all of science would be reduced to 1 law: With God, all things are possible. That's it, that's all the science ever.
homie, God is a lie.
And thus why there's no magic in the world, it's all material. That's the point.
If you assumed magic to be real it'd be tantamount to assuming God is real and all the implications that'd have.
>Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
Who cares? Just something thinking its magic doesn't make it magic, it just makes them stupid or unaware of their surroundings, but it doesn't mean it was ever magic.
>that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
Yes, because magic isn't real. If you were to assume it was that's where all this stuff would come in.
>I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
If you mean like how a Jaffa Staff Weapon is applied science despite what ancient Egyptians thought, sure.
If you mean like how Moses could just appeal to God and use his staff to part the Red Sea or turn it into a snake, or Jingu Bang to transform according to Sun Wukong's will and nothing more than that, then no.
>Yes, because magic isn't real.
Okay, sure, but from the in-setting perspective of X or Y fiction, magic is real, so is therefore physics. Fictional physics.
But you're right in one sense. Magic is what you make of it. It is whatever you want it to be. What is and isn't magic has never not been ironic. Tolkien understood this: the elves of middle-earth do not take their amenities for magic, but men sure do. It's like giving a mars chocolate bar to a medieval peasant. Do you consider a mars bar to be magic? Magic is relative.
>Okay, sure, but from the in-setting perspective of X or Y fiction, magic is real, so is therefore physics. Fictional physics.
Some of that might depend on the particular fiction, because just saying 'fictional physics' could be many non magic things.
Like, Star Trek has warp drives that allow FTL travel. That's not magic, it's just scientific/technological development. Same with blasters or whatever.
Magic is going to be shit like Gods, demons, ghosts, spells and other things that generally will make a mockery of physics by violating all sorts of natural laws.
Hence why it's often referred to as supernatural. Because it supersedes the usual order nature would take. It's magical thinking that can have real world effects.
>You can't say nothing exists in a magic missile past the point of using a microscope - because then you're declaring its objective makeup to be non-existent - so the magic missile was never there?
>It makes no sense, really.
Yeah...that's why it's magic.
Maybe it's a spell that just punches out your soul with no effect on anything physical. Just the soul gets punched out and your body drops like a sack of potatoes and its all over.
Or someone stabs your shadow and it cuts you in half, or smashes a magic mirror with your reflection and it makes you fall into a bunch of glass shaped pieces. Docs are going to have a field day trying to put any sort of logical explanation on those. Because there is none, it's magic.
>Some of that might depend on the particular fiction, because just saying 'fictional physics' could be many non magic things.
Writers, being human and fallible, are entirely capable of writing ignorance into their own works. That is precisely the draw of surrealist fiction, but all of fantasy can be considered surreal.
>Like, Star Trek has warp drives that allow FTL travel. That's not magic, it's just scientific/technological development. Same with blasters or whatever.
Well, no, Star Trek is inherently more space-fantasy than true science-fiction. There is no sound in space. Teleporters would kill/disintegrate you. Aliens in the universe wouldn't all conveniently be humanoid or around the same level of scientific and technological development. Planets that have but a single culture. Desert planets with breathable atmospheres. Etc.
Star Trek is, more or less, just Dungeons & Dragons in space, with the vacuum of space standing in for mountains/forests as borders.
>Magic is going to be shit like Gods, demons, ghosts, spells and other things that generally will make a mockery of physics by violating all sorts of natural laws.
Those laws aren't being violated if they're doing such things within the bounds of their setting, as it is completely allowed. They are only being violated from the point of view of the reader, who is more aware of such contrasting differences.
>Hence why it's often referred to as supernatural. Because it supersedes the usual order nature would take. It's magical thinking that can have real world effects.
If something exists, it is natural. I am not entertaining this sort of wrong think that has no basis in logic. I am done with it, sorry-not-sorry. ( See
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>Yeah...that's why it's magic.
So are UFOs magic? (They literally are)
>No it doesn't, because it's all reproducible, understandable by just basic scientific rigor.
Not to past persons or the caveman who only had exactly one hour to talk to the mysterious man from the future.
>Magic would be specifically violative of natural law, scientific law, otherwise it is just science, and not magic.
That's not what magic is, or can be, since that is an inherently erroneous assertion that cannot actually function in the real whatsoever.
>Clarke's 3rd law is a fancy way of just saying magic doesn't exist, just our lack of understanding.
No, he's saying it's all the same in the end. Kind of like how space and time are the same, or matter and energy are the same. Science is just a method of observation. You can either apply it (to magic) or you don't. I hope you realize a wizard's staff is applied science (technology).
The rest of your post isn't worth entertaining, as you appear to be going in full circles.
...Do you really think there wouldn't be particles to a magic missile or a fireball?
NGMI
Maybe, maybe not.
Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim that'd make a lick of sense? Or death by stabbing a Voodoo doll?
>Are you saying that a magic missile couldn't literally just be a bolt of magic that hurts you with no explaination?
Yes, since the big and the small will exist regardless of your feelings. You can't say nothing exists in a magic missile past the point of using a microscope - because then you're declaring its objective makeup to be non-existent - so the magic missile was never there?
It makes no sense, really.
>What do you think a doctor is going to say is the cause of death during an autopsy on an Avada Kedavra victim
Something to do with the green light - aka energy - that caused the heart to stop - the literal description for what it does.
You’re confusing “magic” with the *appearance* of magic. Zoroastrianism, the oldest surviving monotheistic religion, has at its core a reverence for fire which is believed to have been influenced by one of nature’s “magical” eternal flames, something we now know to be the result of venting methane. The Old Testament has Moses and the burning bush, burning but not consumed. To ancient man, a bic lighter would be seen as a magical device. It is, however, clearly not magic. In contrast, were I to hold out my hand and petition some spirit or deity to light it afire without burning it, and were that to actually happen, *that* would be magic.
Now you're being ironic. Magic to the masses is just aesthetic/style. Not objective capacity defying what is considered possible/impossible.
A fireball is as magical as a grenade or a flamethrower to a man from ancient antiquity. They both amount to to the same thing. Fire is being employed in a mysterious manner unbefitting of present exposure to such things.
>To ancient man, a bic lighter would be seen as a magical device. It is, however, clearly not magic.
To the ancient man, it is 100% magic because they haven't an inkling of its function, or how to go about replicating it.
>In contrast, were I to hold out my hand and petition some spirit or deity to light it afire without burning it, and were that to actually happen, *that* would be magic.
It's about as magical as a BIC lighter, since that spirit or deity actually exists in this hypothetical scenario, and is using physics to light fire on behalf of the human.
But sure, magic as a matter of intermediaries is a good way to go about it. Magic is aliens.
>To the ancient man, it is 100% magic because they haven't an inkling of its function
So they're wrong. That's it, they're just wrong, who gives a shit what incorrect things Unga bunga thinks.
Okay, and the human who petitioned the deity/spirit is also wrong, since you're basically submitting to another intelligence in an uneducated, religious manner.
>if God or other magic entities can literally just change them as they please?
Those are just sufficiently powerful and advanced aliens, by the by. Magic functions as a stand-in term.
>Kinda hard to have scientific laws if someone can just go and rewrite them at any time just via a spell or appeal to a magic entity.
How is magic not a science if it is replicable and capable of reliably doing what you just said? Christ. I'm not even this stupid. Physics doesn't defy itself. Magic isn't the opposite of anything.
>We better call them "dark elves" instead of Drow to make sure our readers know we made the change because they are a dark skin colored elves
>they retconned Beholder and Illithids to make sure they were never race slavers
I'm pretty sure that paralyzing someone and then eating their brains while they are alive is way worse than slavery, but I'm not a libtard so what do I know?
Such a weird take when their skin tones were all over the place
none of the orcs were black though, they all maoris
Dumbfrick Americans really can't tell the massive difference
But not book-accurate Humans and Elves.
I wonder what it's like to be a moronic frick, who has the insane take that the Left trying to advantage non-whites at every turn, are the true racist.
I don’t get it. I’m very racist but I never thought of black people when I saw orcs. How moronic are these people?
Frick. For once, they're correct.
"They were generally squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, bow-legged, with wide mouths and slant eyes, long arms, dark skin, and fangs."
>They were generally squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, bow-legged, with wide mouths and slant eyes, long arms, dark skin, and fangs."
Who, black people?
Maybe check what "sallow" means, clever /misc/tard.
Right after you check what "dark skin" means
Sardinians are dark skinned. Maybe the orcs are Italian.
>of an unhealthy yellow or pale brown color
Huh?
>Sallow skin refers to skin that has lost its natural complexion. When this happens, your skin may appear yellow or brown in tone, especially on your face.
In this context, it means a black with jaundice.
>pale brown color
>BTFO'd by /misc/
They were in the film see
you're confusing Orcs with Uruk-Hai which were a creation of Saruman the Uruk-Hai are largely only in the second film
...I literally quoted Tolkien describing orcs.
>hey were faster than normal Orcs and could travel during the day without being weakened. They were not only faster but smarter, stronger and larger, though they were still shorter than Men.
>Treebeard openly wonders if they are Orcs that have been somehow "improved", or Men that were corrupted with Orc-like qualities, or if they were indeed a blending of Men and Orcs, an act which Treebeard considered to be "a black evil".
How brain damaged are you? Uruk-Hai are not Orcs you dumb Black person c**t
>Uruk-Hai are not Orcs
let me guess, apples aren't fruits, Fords aren't cars
Uruk-Hai are a specific type of Orc hybrid created during the Third War you see normal Orcs in the opening of the first film and as the main force in the third film the picture in OP on the left is a Uruk-Hai which are the main enemy only in the second film you stupid Black person
>Uruk-Hai are a specific type of Orc hybrid
ok so you agree that your previous post was wrong and uruks are orcs
not sure what the rest of this nonsense is about, you seem to be arguing against voices in your head
>The race of uruks, described as "black orcs of great strength",
Uruk-Hai are Orcs(Orc hybrid technically) but not all Orcs are Uruk-Hai you dumb Black person
>but not all Orcs are Uruk-Hai
good thing I never said that
You are the one who said something foolish here. If you need a reminder, it was
>Uruk-Hai are not Orcs
They aren't Orcs you stupid Black person they're a hybrid race created during the Third War the picture in the OP on the left is a Uruk-Hai the LotR films are full of Orcs just not the second film because those are Uruk-Hai that Saruman created to destroy Rohan the Uruk-Hai depicted are accurate to how they're described in the books you filthy Black person
your last post you said
>Uruk-Hai are Orcs
now it's
>They aren't Orcs you stupid Black person
you know the "uruk" part means orc, right?
Orc hybrid, is a liger a lion? Is it a tiger? No it's something unique you dumb Black person
nope. there are half-orcs but they're not the same. uruk hai are just big Black person fighting orcs. they're referred to as orcs in the book all the time but reading that much is probably beyond your abilities
Black folk are still called Black folk even if they're half-human aka have a non-Black person parent doesn't mean they're not half-human
concession accepted
So you concede
Still a big cat, the other anon has made a better argument than you. Drink bleach, and stop acting like an orc.
uruks are orcs
Yeah and so are mixed babies
Uruk-hai are an invention of the movie. Uruks in the books are just big orcs who stand more upright and aren't as affected by sunlight. Saruman isn't even involved with them and they show up even in Moria.
You have zero reading comprehension lol
Tolkien describes Uruk Hai as swart
No they're not. The Urk-hai are a separate deal. The orcs in Moria all look like your description.
Take the Rankin/Bass pill. They're all goblins.
I don't remember the books ever detailing their looks, how are Peter Jackson ones inaccurate?
We should stop making memes.
Is this not just them saying Jackson's trilogy was racist?
>One of the biggest controversies in Payer Jackson’s saga
Really, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that ever
You didnt find the portrayal of orks offensive?
no, because I'm not racist
They've been using this line quite a bit. Because, you know, everyone fricking hated the lotr films.
I have, but it was a decade and a half after the film's had already been released
How do so many people on Cinemaphile fall for fake screenshots? I thought this place was for ebin hackers and not Facebook-tier morons.
Sometimes I think about pounding an Orc's prostate while he moans and encourages me while also insulting my mother in his wienerney accent.
Orc breaking when?
Would be unironically hot.
Dont sit next to me.
Too late. You haven't pulled my hand away from your thigh yet either.
>Noo it's not fair Mr Jackson shouldn't have used big bastard polynesians for the big bastard orc men
>he shoulda only used pakehas instead
just swap in the picture of the Black person dwarf and call it a day
Why the frick are you homosexuals getting uppity when it's obviously fake? You people always paint yourself as the smartest beings on the planet but you are incredibly dumb.
orcs should have dark & muddy skin
How is the article claiming they are racist, because they talk like if they where from britain? Or why? I have no intention of giving clicks to that shit.
They look like demons from a Whedonverse show.
Orcs have always been black people
Nobody cares about comics anymore. Man children only want to consume comic book MOVIES now.
It is still sickening that leftist culture has destroyed and infected entertainment everywhere.
It's not some organic spread of the ideas, nor even peer pressure. The ~~*owners*~~ of these industries want the propaganda in their products, whether they make money or not. Destroying culture is a very important investment for them. The creators can only either stay or walk away from the project and be replaced.
have sex
dilate your stink wound
back to red dit
It's funny because I think it was comicbook.com who did a fact check on this and while they determined the 2019 sales of Demon Slayer didn't beat American comics, they had to admit that the 2020 figures did (excusing it by saying it was just a spike in sales and that the complete American figures weren't in).
>a Black person and a white girl discuss why they should say latinX
>no hispanics anywhere
Accurate.
orc were always described as squat, slant eyed, sallow skin
these are not book accurate at all, the books describe the orcs as like half chimp people, they have lanky hairy arms and stocky torsos
Thanks to the cartoons, I was under the impression that they must be related more to the wood elves, since there were so grey and apey looking.
well thank God this individual put my fears to rest with that headline.
Wait was it a secret that orcs were a representation of black people in LotR?
Kind of thought that was self evident. Every other race has representation in the books and so do orcs especially for that time period
Orcs were Turks if we're gonna go that route
their language was based on Turkish
No mediteranians were the Uruk-Hai including North Africans/moors
Orcs are just blacks from the British colonized parts of Africa
book orcs are a mixture of germans, japanese and turks if you have to put races on it
But to tolkien they were just orcs
Asians were from Rhun nothing related to orcs
pretty sure the smaller orcs were supposed to be asians
No. Orcs were steppe Asiatics from Russia and Central Asia.
shut up dude you know nothing of lotr lore
You are brain damaged by american politics and beyond saving
Consider a noose
>Wait was it a secret that orcs were a representation of black people in LotR?
You have fricking brainrot
Orcs have always been a slav representation, you moron.
We don't want to go go war today
But the lord of the lash says "Nay! Nay! Nay!"
Don’t care.
Never watching The Brown Knight.
Never watching Wheel of Mutts.
Never watching Kang of tha Rangz.
Simple as.
sorry but in the books the orcs were racist caricatures or is making them less racist more book accurate?
>Racist
Why is portraying people how they are/were racist?
I mean the movie didn't flesh out the orcs but the orcs in the books actually were independent before The Wizard Sarumon took them over after leading them to prosperity. Orcs are actually victims in the books even living as slaves
Not an argument.
Thanks for the (you)s
One thing that I actually enjoy about these sorts of outlets is how they'll literally fabricate controversies to edit history like an actual Ministry of Truth. They can simply print something and it will become reality in many people's minds.
These places like Screenrant or FilmJunkies or PolygonFrickers or CultureCrashershitters or whatever can literally publish anything, and there is a proportion of readers who will believe it without batting an eye.
>captcha
Do you realise how ironic this is given the actual origin of the OP pic?
Reminder that Orcs are chinks.
>The Orcs are definitely stated to be corruptions of the 'human' form seen in Elves and Men. They are (or were) squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
literally 0 posts saying the makeup effects on the orcs are bad, take your meds shill.
Tody I will remind them.
Lol, you guys are morons with this whole orcs = Black folk.
It's pretty obvious that's not the case because the books are from like 1950s when no one cared about them. They were just those morons ruled by whites in the colonies.
Everything bad in LotR comes from the East.
Tolkien mentions that they look like "least lovely mongol types", ie. Not Black. I think in one scene he compares them to apes.
Orcs aren't really dumb, they are described as being able to make good tools, gear and tunnels when they can be bothered, but usually they don't.
>book accurate orcs
so they're changs now?
>book accurate orcs FINALLY
>book accurate humans, elves and dwarves? Nah
So bold.. So brave.. The Mouth piece for the mainstream media.. So bold and so brave.. You deserve a medal for this bold and brave post. An award even.
hey incels, the article is fake
y'all chuds are just addicted to outrage
Jackson's Orcs weren't "black people", looks pretty "sallow" to me
pic related
The Uruk Hai aren't fricking orcs, they're dark because Tolkien described them as swart.
I fricking hate Amazon and the morons who write fluff pieces for them. all of this shows a fundamental lack of respect for the IP and once again shows that evil cannot create.
Skull helmet guy gets a ton of recognition in orc threads but honestly the ones on either side of him are fantastic. Both look like they came right out of an Alan Lee illustration.
Racist? They're orcs?
Democrats are the real racists because they think that Orc lives don't matter.
the shirt has never been debunked you just post this shit because HAHA HE'S UGLY
>bam! Okay, used incel.. Now what word to use next?
LOL MAYO MONKEYS BTFO (BLOWN THE FRICK OUT)
What do you think will happen when the monsters they have created start embracing the stones being thrown and throw them back twice as hard?
>Finally
That's not a nice thing to say about Blacklas.
>make orcs book accurate
>make nothing else book accurate
lol lmao
i so pale
wow. nice money, amazon. your money looks so good. we're so impressed by money and the things money can do.
>racist and stereotypical orcs
wat? who writes this shit
Racist people. Seriously, if those people can look at an orc from Peter Jackson's movies and see a black person, they are the ones that are racist
WHYTE PEEPO BE THA ORCS YALL I TOLD YOU DEY HEEA
When did /misc/ become the new israelites? Making shit up to get people on your side doesn't make you look better, it makes me want to kill you both.
You're acting like this hasn't been the new norm for years now. I've posted fake tweets that were preposterously absurd thinking "no one would actually believe this is real", told anons its not real, and STILL had the thread continue on with people argument against something someone never said. Even when you tell people what they're reading is fake, they're going to believe first whatever suits their bias or motives.
While I didn't believe the OP, it's kind of an unfair fake because "Tolkien's orcs are racist caricatures of Africans" has been genuinely part of the discourse for years.
You should at least try to tag people relevant to your post
>Book-Accurate Orcs
so is racist to asians then?
>LotR orcs have industry
I don't see how this fits the black stereotypes.
would you frick a female orc Cinemaphile?
Only if if it's a Warcraft orc.
Are homosexuals actually arguing that magic can't exist in a fantasy setting because their little materialist minds can't conceive of immaterial things
Immaterial beings would still have an objective makeup, allowing them to exist and be present. Therefore material.
Your idea of materialism is offensive, since you seem to think anything that isn't materialism is just smoke and mirrors, which is still comprised of objective information. I don't care how different something is, it is still *there*.
If you want God to exist, he actually has to be *there*. Your argument is basically "I don't want God to exist", but twisted to suit something that doesn't actually support it.
But immaterial powers only need a material conduit to be expressed in our world. I accept your concession, you're not nearly as smart as you think.
>your argument is basically
None of the things you typed. As mentioned previously you aren't nearly as smart as you think
You want something to be simultaneously real and unreal. That's not happening.
No I don't. Again you aren't as smart as you think you are stop trying to be. It's just sad anon
>No I don't
You are indirectly stating that something doesn't have to exist, to exist. So, yes, you do.
Where have I stated that and related it to God? Stop trying to be smart I am begging you
>Where have I stated that and related it to God?
By pretending that magic/God/etc defies physics. That is more or less what you are stating. Posts like this
It doesn't add up. It just doesn't.
Thats not my post. But yea God and magic can defy physics. Your inability to see beyond a materialist worldview is your problem not mine lol
Uh bro a writer made up a quote so like you have to agree
>But yea God and magic can defy physics.
No. If it exists, it is physics. God is his own existence. Ergo physics. He may afford himself differently, but it is still physics.
>Your inability to see beyond a materialist worldview is your problem not mine lol
See, the thing is, materialism isn't the right word to use here. It is less materialism, and more there-ism. If it is there, existent, then it is comprised of something, allowing it to exist and occur and be present. For some reason this offends you.
Physicists already toy with the very probable notion that there are universes that run *vastly* differently to our own, but they're still *there*.
>if it exists it's physics
What an absurdly narcissistic view of reality. Simply put, no. If it exists it is. Physics isn't even a real thing let alone a thing that imbues being you dumb fricking materialist homosexual. Nothing funnier than atheist science lovers trying to make their delusions valid.
You're getting angry now, and stating falsehoods. Physics is very present. Sorry to hurt you this much, my goal isn't to plague you with cognitive dissonance. I know it's hard.
>physics is very present
Show me physics anon. Let me touch "physics". Ironic you say cognitive dissonance when you literally state it's "not materialism it's there-ism" not realizing you are too fricking stupid to understand those are the same fricking thing. This entire thread you've desperately been trying to appear smart by talking about things very clearly above your pay grade as showcased by your confusion over very basic terms. You are sperging at an abstract and using another abstract to justify it. You are pants on head moronic and it's depressing you have too much hubris to realize it.
>physics is very present
>God is ever present
Please explain the difference between these two abstract claims anon.
Fire hot. Physics. Where is God exactly affirming his presence? I am feeling no heat here.
>fire existing means this intellectual abstract concept also is a tangible thing
You are so fricking dumb it's actually painful stop fricking typing. If you want to have a philosophical conversation you should read some basic shit so you don't look moronic
Does fire burn. Yes or no?
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>thing is associated with the study of physics therefore physics exists
Truly this is the dumbest argument I've ever seen an atheist made. And it's fricking hilarious because he doesn't eve see how this line of logic extends to God as well
I'm not an atheist. If God exists, he exists, and is an alien. You are free to worship Him.
What's more godly, Zeus on his mountain of power, or that neighbouring hyper- AI that assimilated a third of the Andromeda galaxy?
>I'm not an atheist
>if God exists he's an alien
So you are in fact an atheist. Why are you trying to lie to me
No, I am saying God, if he exists, is just a sufficiently powerful/advanced entity, likely sourced to higher dimensions.
You will notice that all religion, everywhere, is just a long ass game of telephone twisted throughout millennia. It all started from somewhere. By default you are being mind controlled by any single religion, if you believe it, as such things are skewed by past interpretations/misinterpretations. How many times do you think the Bible has been edited?
How are you not an atheist anon? Not even reading any of your posts until you state your religious beliefs so I can see just how dishonest you are
>Immaterial beings would still have an objective makeup, allowing them to exist and be present. Therefore material.
>Something can exist without existing
>existence can only happen in my very limited material understanding of existence
Why are atheists so smugly moronic
You can't even contest me on this, and it shows. Please explain to me how something can exist without existing. Are you hoping for some unreal anime universe to lose your virginity to?
>I can think of unicorns
>therefore unicorns
God exists. But he is not physically a part of the universe you can interact with. Thats how!
So he is higher dimensional...? A four-dimensional being can only partially fit into our three dimensions lol. Makes sense. It's aliens all the way up and all the way down. God, being everywhere, would be more alien than not, after all...
No dimensional implies he is within the confines of the material universe. Stop trying to be smart, learn about the philosophy of Divinity before you come around making grade school arguments its embarrassing
Being in four (or higher) dimensions means he is outside our physical perceptions, so...
Try comprehending a four-dimensional cube with *eight* *three dimensional* *sides*. You can't! So it is with God. You can't fathom Him, clearly.
You do him a disservice by placing him so low, honestly.
God is not confined by any dimensions because he exists outside of the universe. Sorry something so unbelievably simple to grasp is beyond your sophistry.
No, he is clearly sourced to higher dimensions. It's even in the Bible that you cannot confront God without dying, and you wouldn't survive stepping into higher dimensions either.
No... he's not. Read the Bible anon. Why can't atheists see how stupid they are
>God not real
>lemme talk about higher dimensions though even though they have only ever been suggested to exist under a theoretical framework
Embarrassing read the Bible before you try arguing with it
talk about higher dimensions though even though they have only ever been suggested to exist under a theoretical framework
We know higher dimensions exist because of math, and there may be as many as eleven.
Do you even know what a tesseract is? You, literally, cannot comprehend higher dimensions. How is that not magic? It defies our three-dimensional perceptions.
Again, try comprehending a *cube* with *eight* *three dimensional sides* (cubes). And it goes up. A fifth dimensional cube with ten four dimensional sides with eight three dimensional sides etc etc...
We are only capable of seeing shadows.
>because of math
>that thing with unproven axioms
Oof
Math is never wrong. Is it too perfect to even be considered a proper science. It is close to divination in that respect. We would not be able to know things without it.
Physics is when 1+1=2
Magic is when 1+1=Whatever I want it to be.
>Magic is when 1+1=Whatever I want it to be.
This is only allowed because of 1+1=2 in the background, allowing 'Whatever I want it to be' to occur and function. There are layers to physics, and nothing happens without reason. It may be highly exotic, practically alien/arcane reason that you will never understand (which is precisely what magic is), but it is still there, somewhere.
Again, chaos isn't the opposite of order, as there is a chaotic order allowing chaos to be chaotic. So it is with "magic" defying norms. And I repeat, are UFOs magic because they defy our understanding of physics? Yes and no. But mostly yes (by objective function), and a little bit no (we won't refer to it as magic, despite it being seemingly an impossible occurrence.
Semantics.
Are you fricking moronic, people? Why are you overcomplicating things?
The definition of magic is very simple:
1. You can create something out of nothing.
Or, if you want to complicate it:
2. You can achieve the result of a process without the process itself.
>You can create something out of nothing.
Only from a lesser perspective. It may as well be from nothing.
>You can achieve the result of a process without the process itself.
We already do this today with technology. Skipping steps.
You're engaging in semantics. I meant achieving the results of a process without a process. Not a shortened version.
That's not semantics. I suggest looking up the word right now.
And yes, we do skip processes with technology.
Already you're rephrasing. Once again pure semantics. Here ----> L
I don't even know what you're trying to say anymore. All I know is you are somewhat iffy at word usage. Can I just pat your head and call it a day?
>what is an abstract concept
Doubly funny when you realize that this is probably the guy asserting "physics exists" because fire is hot
What allows fire to burn, anon? What are the mechanisms behind fire? That's physics. Is fire present? Yes? The combustion + ionization processes exists. Tough.
You are so fricking dumb it hurts. Physics is an abstract intellectual construct. It does not exist. We associate things together under the banner of physics for conveniences sake. Not because physics is a tangible thing. Your arguments for physics existence are no different than an argument for God's existence, cause and effect. Of course you are amoron and still won't understand this after having it made painfully fricking clear
You don't understand physics I guess. Either because your brain chemistry is getting the better of you (cognitive dissonance), or you're just frustrated and red faced and typing for typing's sake.
Because godlike things *can* hypothetically exist, and at what point is a god not a god? Because it's not a human god? Well that's just wrong.
>you don't understand physics
>you don't understand <religion>
Same energy. You're just too dumb to understand why. That's okay not wasting time with you anymore
Physics is how the universe runs, dipshit. Good fricking LORD, you people.
>they actually made the orcs white
>the fricking elves are now black
Lmao, memes becoming reality
But the book orcs are just mongolians because Tolkien hated asians
I guess anti-asian propaganda is fine?
Tolkien literally never said anything about disliking Asians you moronic homosexual, only that physically the orcs appeared as degraded forms of what many Westerners (at the time) caricatured/imagined Asiatics as.
As opposed to bird people which is what the letter he was responding to was suggesting.
orcs are supposed to be the foreign other. the barbarian. i know it can be offensive, so its really fine if they make them white too. but the way that they make them exclusively white is so pathetic. i hate israelites, millennials, corpos, and morons so much. we can't have nice things because of how stupid they are. they won't make a better world, they'll just invert the color palette of hell.
indistinguishable from magic = magic that is indistinguishable from itself = it's just magic
Oh thank god
Kek, this shit doesn’t exist you stupid Uruk-hai
Atheists are hilarious
A L S O
oh noooo how terrible hahaha
>in this new IGN article written by IGN we at IGN spoke to-
WHOA BIG IF TRUE
Jesus fricking Christ how were they racist? Is this a legitimate case of leftists being the real racists for once?
>my descriptions of reality are in fact actual things and not intellectual constructs
Based and religionpilled
Defying physics =/= Defying understanding
They look like "white" walkers.
>stereotypical racist portrayal of orcs
Ok what's going on here?
Are they suggesting that orcs are clearly a stand in for a real life race? E.G. Black folk?
In which case, they are very racist.
Or are they suggesting that portrayal of 100% fictional races is still racism?
Like they see warcraft orcs and see LOTR as cliche bad guys? Is this just complaining about how generic evil they are?
Are they going to introduce a nice orc?
That last one is a complicated question, since Tolkien himself admitted he was not comfortable with entire races being evil and unredeemable.
This can be seen in how Gandalf reflects upon whether any still living dragon would be able to melt the One Ring. This means that some dragons can be reasoned with, and are not complete monsters, since Gandalf even thought about employing dragon fire.
Unfortunately, he didn't have time to implement it in any significant way for other races.
they look ight. that op pic i give like a 6/10
Cinemaphile hates science and logic (and now math)
>a dozen replies letting the moronic headline-only NPCs know its an obvious fake
>thread still keeps riding at top speed
You don't even care, do you? You're just here to be mad. That's your life.
Shut up moron we're talking about magic now
>Stereotypical racist portrayal of orcs
Orcs aren't real, what did they mean by this.
>magic totally isn't science even though I can cast the same """physics breaking""" spell a hundred times in a day and charge my mana stores using mana crystals atop a carefully constructed and retractable metal rod/wand
I bet you dumbasses thing Harry Potter magic isn't scientific or those bullshit items aren't magical technology
And again with your semantics. You're debating magic, not linguistics.
Are you piss in your mouth moronic
Good
All magic in tabletop or video games is technically a science since it has rules to follow, like Dungeons & Dragons. (Unless the rules are for the players, not the characters)
Magic that isn't a science isn't at all something you can do whenever you want, like Game of Thrones. (Unless it is genetic)
This thread went down the shitter because the science gay said religion is a brain washing movement and it triggered moronic /x/ crossposters