Book literacy

Tolkien oh-so quite literally described his world’s not!Africans as ‘half-trolls’ and the moronic “Tolkien scholars” over at Amazon can only think he meant literally-African when he wrote the words “nut brown” to describe the darker skinned Harfoots, which is extraordinarily pathetic.

—"Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand, Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues.”

What’s amazing is that anyone with a good enough memory who read the books could have told them this, and they still would have interpreted them as literally African.

Fricking incredible stuff. Politics is pure rot.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why mention the color of the curtains at all if it doesn't add anything to the story? Are you getting paid by the word? I'm with the English teacher. His only mistake was assuming the writer wasn't a hack.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I’m with the English teacher
      Yeah that checks out you come across as an ass-licking homosexual in a single post.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. failed novelist who spent an entire paragraph describing a lampshade that never gets brought up again

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anon had the unmistakable brown tongue of an anallingus-enthusiast. He spent his days seething at his betters on an online inner decor forum. Ever since he was a boy, he hated blue curtains. They reminded him of his father.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon had the unmistakable brown tongue of an anallingus-enthusiast
            Perfectly descriptive. No problem with that.
            >Ever since he was a boy, he hated blue curtains. They reminded him of his father.
            Why though? This is why your novels fail. You don't follow through.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And what of the sentence you didn’t quote?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't a visually descriptive sentence so it doesn't really apply to argument at hand. Stay on topic please.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Off-topic is the first resort of a scoundrel.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not that anon but he clearly left you wanting to know more
              sounds like good writing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >sounds like good writing
                Only if it has a payoff. We're still waiting.
                Kind of proves my point that the blue curtain is only worth putting in the story if it has meaning though. Hopefully it's worth the wait.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it has meaning to the writer

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then he should let the reader know by writing about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people who have good media literacy don't need the author to spell everything out in great detail

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you agree with the English teacher. Either the drapes have meaning or they don't belong in the story.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                everything added to a story has meaning

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i will never stop laughing at how you can design some super evil disgusting fictional species that's full of killers and thieves, then left wingers will immediately go "this is racist towards black people"

      it's such a self report

      Leftists are insecure about their intelligence so try to make their English degrees sound impressive.

      >actually le blue curtains are deep metaphor

      >I’m with the English teacher
      Yeah that checks out you come across as an ass-licking homosexual in a single post.

      If it wasn't significant, it would seldom be mentioned. Writers write consciously. Just because you have such a weak grasp on art and only consume screenslop it doesn't make higher forms of media suddenly more simple

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The significance is describing the scene, you need to to make it sound deeper because you're a moron

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >higher forms of media
          You’re a lower form of life. Shut the frick up, moron.

          The "le curtains are blue" is reference to shakespeare when Romeo is lementing in his bedroom, so yeah, the curtains being blue actually does have significance and would've been a correct interpretation. Not every description is beyond a picture's sake but ever picture is significant. You have not read a single book your entire adult life and you just resent being forced to do so in highschool. You just can't fathom writing beyond the surface level, so you can't fathom reading beyond it either

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >higher forms of media
        You’re a lower form of life. Shut the frick up, moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What of they're just trying to set a picture of the scene? Since, well you know, it's a god damn book.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i will never stop laughing at how you can design some super evil disgusting fictional species that's full of killers and thieves, then left wingers will immediately go "this is racist towards black people"

    it's such a self report

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/K1sKZzL.jpeg

      Tolkien oh-so quite literally described his world’s not!Africans as ‘half-trolls’ and the moronic “Tolkien scholars” over at Amazon can only think he meant literally-African when he wrote the words “nut brown” to describe the darker skinned Harfoots, which is extraordinarily pathetic.

      —"Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand, Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues.”

      What’s amazing is that anyone with a good enough memory who read the books could have told them this, and they still would have interpreted them as literally African.

      Fricking incredible stuff. Politics is pure rot.

      >Chris Kyle guns down arabs brutally for America
      >NOOOO in the overarching context if you look more deeply it's really an anti war film!!
      Why are chuds so moronic?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it clearly is an anti-war film anon
        it’s supposed to make you uncomfortable
        i’m sorry you’re so mindbroken you can’t understand there’s a message behind anything less than obvious propaganda

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. soiy drinking english teacher

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thought you said I was a chud?

            [...]
            >Chris Kyle guns down arabs brutally for America
            >NOOOO in the overarching context if you look more deeply it's really an anti war film!!
            Why are chuds so moronic?

            Which is it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/K1sKZzL.jpeg

      Tolkien oh-so quite literally described his world’s not!Africans as ‘half-trolls’ and the moronic “Tolkien scholars” over at Amazon can only think he meant literally-African when he wrote the words “nut brown” to describe the darker skinned Harfoots, which is extraordinarily pathetic.

      —"Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand, Southrons in scarlet, and out of Far Harad black men like half-trolls with white eyes and red tongues.”

      What’s amazing is that anyone with a good enough memory who read the books could have told them this, and they still would have interpreted them as literally African.

      Fricking incredible stuff. Politics is pure rot.

      Bin Laden: 6'4 leader of men, religious warrior, generationally wealthy aristocrat
      Lucky Larry: 5'3 conniving nouveau-riche israelite moneylender

      Let people make their own choice.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree.

      Tolkien reserved most of his hatred for the working class brit. Which is what inspired Orks.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Leftists are insecure about their intelligence so try to make their English degrees sound impressive.

    >actually le blue curtains are deep metaphor

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's entirely context dependent. If sadness is a key theme of the book, or the curtains change colors sometimes, or different colors are associated with different locations and moods then it's valid.
      Most authors paint a picture. Many authors use symbolism. Great authors do both simultaneously.
      Also books are media, OP.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like
    >What you're teacher thinks: "The curtains were gay."

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're the reason why movie explanation youtube videos exist

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you're the reason why HIV exists

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sorry but i'm not either of your dads

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Midwits who draw meaning where there is none always have one thing in common, they can't create anything for themselves. These freaks have no idea how hard it can be to create something good and to keep it consistent and think of new and interesting things. When you are a writer you do not have the time to put hidden meanings and schizo signals in your work. The vast majority of time it's purely coincidental that you can draw some meaning and the author just goes ''oh yeah, that's what I meant haha.''
    A good writer will never insert this schizo shit in his work where every color needs to be analyzed for hidden meaning. A good writer may write a draft of something and then re-read it and notice that they accidentally made some symbolism so they may lean into it, but it's not something you set out to do. You do not write your character's depression into the curtains, it wouldn't be satisfying or interesting to represent your character's emotions through a curtain

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >using basic symbolism, especially one as basic as colours to emotion, is "schizo shit"
      You are 14

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You will never be a woman

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah he's just smart with money. A take that bad can become your whole career because every movie, especially every good movie violates it. Instant movie critic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure you browse Cinemaphile, but you don’t know jackshit about writing. moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sometimes I forget that I share this website with some absolute morons, then I come across a post like this and remember

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        midwit cope, if even that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Now apply it to movies, since you're on Cinemaphile, and face your moronation
      >the director made this scene this way just because okay?? He was too busy making a good scene to care about details

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person literally every stanza of dante has numerology schizo symbolism. a truly great author is probably thinking about the placement of every word and syllable

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The vast majority of time it's purely coincidental that you can draw some meaning and the author just goes ''oh yeah, that's what I meant haha.''
      Sounds like Zack Snyder kek

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point of that image seems to be "you should never seek symbolism in famous written works, authors never do that", which is terminally moronic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Once you’ve been to university you know just how little that degree means. Teachers (at least in our system) have less than a bachelor in two subjects and the rest is pedagogical and management classes. They’re begging for people to become teachers and the qualifications needed are lower than the 100iq equivalent on the uni exam. You can sleep through school and have the grades to become a teacher.

      Now that moron is lecturing to your kids about how to interpret literature based on some half remembered bullshit and a lecture plan hopefully written by someone who got a doctorate later on.

      It’s not that there aren’t good teachers, it’s just realizing the chances you get one, when it’s completely dependent on their personal investment and development is just a lottery ticket.

      Please fricking have a nice day.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, sometimes when an object is blue, it has symbolic significance
      and sometimes, when an object is blue, it's just fricking blue

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Made-up objects aren't incidentally blue. If the artist cares enough about the object to think of it in a particular way then it is blue for a reason.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Please, PLEASE chug bleach.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no rebuttal
            Why didn't he just call them curtains, why mention the curtains at all. Curtains are pretty unimportant in painting a picture anyway—why paint a picture at all?

            Have you read even one book in your life? Go on, name the last book you've read

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Protocols of the Elders of Zion

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shitty meme response of a book you've never read
                Cool

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That anon wasn't me. In fact it was probby you being a false flaggot. The last book I read was Brothers Karamazov and Anna Karenina.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then Tolstoy is a perfect example of mentioning details specifically for thematic purposes.
                He often mentions the white hands of nobles, compared to the dark hands of workers or soldiers, as an example. Or mentions the specific color of uniforms or decorations that are associated with specific social classes or trends that belie characterization.
                How can you read Tolstoy and not notice how he aligns with the 'English Teacher' above?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do you read "workers have tans" and "people have uniforms" and jump to "that means the curtains being blue is symbolism"? The curtains in my house are brown. What does that symbolize? It symbolizes the last tenant fricking left them when he moved out and I never bothered to replace them.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                isn't this just a strawman? If it's context dependent, what's the point of the blue curtain example which lacks context?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your house isn’t an imaginary construction where every element had conscious decision making going into it, it’s also not selectively presented in detail- an author chooses to mention something.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shouldn't have fought the Germans.

    Shouldn't have sided with the fricking commies and israelites.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, let's be serious, we all know what he meant. Even they know it, they're just afraid to tell it aloud.
    It's still funny seeing all this cope about how there were black half-trolls in far Harad.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even they know it, they're just afraid to tell it aloud.
      Because they’re terrified of their non-white “friends” they made along the way.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is how I felt when my teacher told me that animal farm was about communism. I was like, its about a farm filled of animals you fricking moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This just confirms your side to be completely moronic

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    troglodytes who can't interpret media deeper than the surface

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien would probably hate most of his “fans” today lmfao

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do lefties think everything that is brown or black HAS to be from Africa?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > re: your image

    If you want a perfect example of this, watch the movie "The Beatles: Get Back" (2021); and then compare the actual songwriting process to the "deep meaning" fans always find in their work.

    It's more often about finding a word with the correct number of syllables than it is about the larger meaning of the words eventually chosen

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humans are stupid. Monkeys.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    English lit is a scam subject that deliberately exists to filter a percentage of students out of Math, Science and actually valuable subjects that lead to careers into dead end subjects that will guarantee an underclass of baristas and retail workers. It is complete sophistry and should be banned from schools.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >art has no value
      You're free to admit you're a subhuman autismo, sar

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just go write a book you don't need to study English lit to write lmao. It literally doesn't help. Go create art instead of wasting time studying. Or else study for a real subject and do something with it.

        >Only things that contribute to maximizing GDP are valuable
        What's the point of maximizing GDP

        Ah yes, reasoned like a true lit student. Talking bullshit that nobody said like you were trained to.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have degrees in math and computer science. I contribute far more to society than you do and yet I contribute far less than a skilled artist does.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like you were stupid and took a life path you didn't enjoy.

            Then why have so many authors studied English Lit, now and then? Just for teh lolz?

            Because it's basically impossible not to? It's a mandatory subject in almost every western country

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I meant in university, you mongoloid. Christ, you might actually be in highschool considering that's what you thought

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then why have so many authors studied English Lit, now and then? Just for teh lolz?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. There are far more great authors who studied other subjects than there are great authors who were * Literature graduates. Probably a background in Law is the most common, if you were to catalog the most influential authors. A language degree is certainly no prerequisite. You would know this if you read.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only things that contribute to maximizing GDP are valuable
      What's the point of maximizing GDP

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funding isreal

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The number of people online who are still mad at their english teacher in high school for telling them about symbolism is so funny. You've been out of high school for years lol

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You've been out of high school for years lol
      You forget where we are. Half these guys are mad at their teachers from telling them about symbolism a few months ago

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good point.

        being told you must agree with an opinion or you fail is pretty traumatizing. but it also teaches people to just say what people want to hear and move on. which is pretty damaging for society.

        Damn sounds like you went to a shitty high school where they made you agree with the opinions. In my school all you had to do if you didnt agree with the hegemonic interpretation of a work is to give your interpretation and defend it with evidence from the text.
        >I have PTSD from being bad at english class
        Grow up!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      being told you must agree with an opinion or you fail is pretty traumatizing. but it also teaches people to just say what people want to hear and move on. which is pretty damaging for society.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Seeing your buddy's head split in two by a jihadi is traumatizing.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You’re just a christcuck seething that people don’t have to give a shit about catholicism or racism to enjoy tolkiens work. It’s not about him, it’s about you wanting to control how art is interpreted

    /thread

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a very unique interpretation, anon! Can you write a couple sentences defending your thesis statement?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it’s about you wanting to control how art is interpreted
      Leftist much?

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Tolkien literacy

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The modern state of literature is grim. After years of associating reading with intelligence, people who want to feel smart started reading, but instead of improving their reading comprehension to catch with the best books, they decided to bring the level down. Currently, reading itself is considered smart. Imagine if it was the same for movies: "it doesn't matter what you watch, Fast and Furious is just as valid as Citizen Kane". These days, when someone announces they're a book lover, I just assume the worst case and most of the times I'm right. Gatekeeping is important and every day there's a different example that proves it. Call it elitism if you want, at least it inspires people to get better.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien would only like 1/5 of Jackson’s adaption, if even that, which is proof enough for me that he would have fricking *despised* the Rings of Power, and probably would have wanted to shoot Bezos in the fricking face, for representing everything that he hated about his beloved changing world.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The point of literary analysis in English classes isn't to divine the innermost truth that was within the author's heart, it's to teach students how to think critically about literature and learn to interpret subtext. The actual intention of the author is largely irrelevant for that. Now, the sophists who call themselves Tolkien scholars or whatever and do this shit for a living are obviously mostly just scam artists. There is a place for literary analysis in academia beyond teaching but it's mostly a self-feeding pursuit these days, i.e. the people producing content are the only ones consuming it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >are obviously mostly just scam artists
      They’re paid by Amazon

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, in general the purpose of a scam is to get some sort of profit out of it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >learn to interpret subtext
      how can you interpret subtext if what the author's heart meant is irrelevant?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The same way you can LEARN to do anything, by practicing at it to improve your skills. The author's intention will most likely never be known, that doesn't mean literature is devoid of meaning. Regardless, the goal isn't to train you to be a literary analyst, or to memorize a list of metaphors, it's to teach you how to think critically about everything in the world around you, something your teachers obviously failed at with you, a more and more common outcome I've noticed with schools today.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DEATH OF THE AUTHOR
    post modernism is the way
    my headcanon is real
    there is no objective truth

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Agree. When a layer of interpretetion is completely removed from what is happening on the surface level, it's simply not there. It's just pseudo intellectual projection

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