Butch Hartman

>Cartoon creators drawing their characters and doesn’t look exactly like their on-screen counterpart (Groening, Hillenburg, Murray, McFarlane, McCracken, Vasquez, etc.)
Aww… you’re sweet!
>Butch Hartman drawing his characters, and doesn’t look exactly like their on-screen counterpart
HELLO HUMAN RESOURCES
Am I tripping, or does this picture look fine, eye bleeding coloring aside? Butch getting cut off by the torso there is probably the biggest mistake. Also people who complain about Butch drawing himself like that and calling him egotistical over it when he looks like that irl are moronic

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are blind
    it's pretty funny how Poof is the only accurate/good-looking one though

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm not gonna say this picture looks great, it really doesn't imo, but it looks close enough to canon

    what i WILL say tho, is that you're kinda right
    people create their opinions about a guy based on a series of headcanons or random secondary/tertiary gossip, decide if he's agreeable or not, and then pretend to have completely unrelated qualms about him
    and 9 out of 9 times the main reason they hate him is because it's popular to

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s probably because FOP designs were refined by Stephen Silver, thus lessening the credibility of Hartman’s art

      I don’t hate him either but he’s done some detestable stuff
      >lying about oaxis
      >implying to Tara it’s her fault the og voice for Timmy died
      >being hypocritical about TTG
      >being a boomer in general
      >uses Christianity for somd bullshit
      >puts up with LSMark
      It’s dumb and nobody’s perfect, but understandable why some cretins don’t completely like him

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This kinda proves the point tho, doesn't it?

        >See art
        >Eh it's oka-
        >[Guy is someone you dislike for other reasons]
        >OH IT'S UGLY, THIS ART IS UGLY ACTUALLY!
        It's just disingenuous, yknow?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, stop being a homosexual about this
          People will literally hate anything with black skin in it no matter how actually hot that drawing/image of a person is, association has always been all humankind does to "justify" hating something/one. All that makes is yourself, no one cares about you wanting to defend someone that doesn't even know you exist.

          • 4 weeks ago
            guy

            No you doofus, you can judge artwork by the actual aesthetics, the skill, the meaning, the emotional experience. You're such a Zoomer you don't even know that's possible

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It’s probably because FOP designs were refined by Stephen Silver
        Wrong.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I guess I brought him up because I like his stuff.

          This kinda proves the point tho, doesn't it?

          >See art
          >Eh it's oka-
          >[Guy is someone you dislike for other reasons]
          >OH IT'S UGLY, THIS ART IS UGLY ACTUALLY!
          It's just disingenuous, yknow?

          I see what you mean. There are buttholes in the industry that have done far worse both morally and artistically. OP pic is just average compared to what I usually saw on the TV

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They look out of a mad episode

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing wrong with that. Carl looks like he’s out of Danny Phantom at least

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where’d this meme originate from? How long has Cinemaphile been using it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No clue. Seems fitting for these threads though since pretty much everything that gets regurgitated about Hartman, especially in that other post, is generated by youtube critics making shit up for views or twisting the truth, ie Saberspark's recent video where he says Stephen Silver, a prop designer, created FOP's characters.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >No clue. Seems fitting for these threads though since pretty much everything that gets regurgitated about Hartman, especially in that other post, is generated by youtube critics
              Sorry I know this hard of you to imagine but not everyone spends all their time listening to youtube critics and other e-celeb garbage, people have been having these opinions well before any of favorite e-celebs were a thing.
              >ie Saberspark's
              Seriously imagine even knowing who the hell that is

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is a weird flex you're attempting, because I myself do not watch any youtube critics yet know of them and their usual accusations against Butch because they get talked about here all the time. So, you don't really look cool or savvy here, just moronic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yet know of them and their usual accusations
                from what hanging out on Discord with your fellow zoom zooms all day, fricking have a nice day zoom zoom

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Needless hostility is a poor way to save face.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why did you randomly fly off the handle at that post? saberspark ... is that you?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I’m definitely not saying Steph CREATED them, just refined.

              That’s not the case?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If anyone did that on early FOP, it was either Bob Boyle or George Goodchild. We know for sure Goodchild pretty much competely redesigned Tootie and some other characters.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, I see. Art’s art, but a show needs help. Thanks for crediting those two.

                I still like Silver’s stuff

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                *refined the character design. Prop designers don’t do that?

                >No clue. Seems fitting for these threads though since pretty much everything that gets regurgitated about Hartman, especially in that other post, is generated by youtube critics
                Sorry I know this hard of you to imagine but not everyone spends all their time listening to youtube critics and other e-celeb garbage, people have been having these opinions well before any of favorite e-celebs were a thing.
                >ie Saberspark's
                Seriously imagine even knowing who the hell that is

                >No clue. Seems fitting for these threads though since pretty much everything that gets regurgitated about Hartman, especially in that other post, is generated by youtube critics
                Sorry I know this hard of you to imagine but not everyone spends all their time listening to youtube critics and other e-celeb garbage, people have been having these opinions well before any of favorite e-celebs were a thing.
                >ie Saberspark's
                Seriously imagine even knowing who the hell that is

                >Seriously imagine even knowing who the hell that is
                I’ve made too many mistakes with my life

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do not respond to Tootiegay.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok

              >FOP designs were refined by Stephen Silver

              Danny Phantom, actually.

              That makes much more sense. Did he do the same for T.U.F.F. Puppy?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why are you responding to us like 8 hours later? Why do you think my post is about the reaction image?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Tootiegay
                Any time you hear this word it's time to abandon thread. There is an annoying twat who turns every FOP conversation into meta-discussions about shipgays and they've been doing it for years.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, got it.
                Thread was over hours ago anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >FOP designs were refined by Stephen Silver

        Danny Phantom, actually.

      • 4 weeks ago
        guy

        Thanks for compiling all the Zoomer programming about him with your brain

        Stop simping for a con man.

        You're jealous of people with enough of a spine to disagree with social media

        Crocker looks like shit and poof shouldn't have been forced in there
        The thing is he didn't create the designs of the show, he took all credit from the guy that actually did.

        Why doesn't that guy make a popular cartoon then
        Do you actually look at his artwork or do you just parrot this meme

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why doesn't that guy make a popular cartoon then
          He did, Black person, he was the guy that also did Kim Possible

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care about the drawings Steve Marmel was the only reason Butch's shows were ever any good or successful without him we all got see what a fricking moron Butch is.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this whole "artist is bad so their art HAS to be bad" is stupid. very stupid.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FOP looked better without the thick lines.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To be honest, Butch here mostly follows his own rules of how he draws the characters (For instance, the way Wanda's legs split, character eyes not leaving the side of head, etc.) He's drawing this by hand, not digitally like in the actual cartoon, and I can see some slight differences, especially with line weight/endings. The proportions of some characters, especially Crocker, seem to be off as well, but again, its nothing egregious. I saw someone on twitter make a redraw of this that was supposed to "own" Butch at his own style but it honestly just looked shittier.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God, I don't hate the guy, but man I really don't like how he colors his art. Why does everything look so saturated?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Butch just has a bad sense of color theory
      Always has, I'm pretty sure that "I ran out of a marker color" story for Timmy's origin is bullshit, he just lucked into something that worked out.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Now there’s two pink characters and a green.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop simping for a con man.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Crocker looks like shit and poof shouldn't have been forced in there
    The thing is he didn't create the designs of the show, he took all credit from the guy that actually did.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he didn't create the designs of the show, he took all credit from the guy that actually did.
      Completely false. FOP character designers like Stephen Silver, Ernie Gilbert and George Goodchild weren't even on the show yet for the early Oh Yeah shorts, where Butch served as the character designer.
      His designs were refined, but he still created them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >where Butch served as the character designer.
        And does any of those designs look anything like S2-10? No. Because that was by the other artist you fricking scumbag
        Be disingenuous elsewhere. I know damn well pre S2 FoP had an entirely different artstyle to the seasons after that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          guy

          People don't say those things about Butch because they're true, it's because he's a Christian. Getting angry won't change that

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its more the people saying "Butch didn't do anything on this show, some other person did" are being really disingenuous, since not only are they lying or making assumptions just to dunk on someone, they're also dragging other people into it in hopes that person goes "Y-Yeah, I totally was screwed over and didn't say a word for 20 years!" for cheap clout points like that Fountain guy.

          I mean I do like that Boyle, Goodchild, and Silver are getting some recognition, but I have my doubts they want to be associated with the cancel crowd either.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >t Boyle, Goodchild, and Silver are getting some recognition
            Well, Silver at least. The other two seem to be straight up getting their credit stolen, thanks to Sabershart.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Terrible color saturation
    >Terrible distribution of lighting/shading
    >Lackluster composition
    >Ugly radial gradient
    >Flat, staff poses, arms straight out or completely hidden(Crocker and Vicky)
    >Butch's ugly ass persona popping out of the void with no lower body

    It's not only bad, you can tell that Butch genuinely can't really draw that well.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    guy

    [...]

    >Why doesn't that guy make a popular cartoon then
    He did, Black person, he was the guy that also did Kim Possible

    >Rage
    What do you have some kind of disability preventing you from enjoying aesthetics, skill, meaning or something?

    Kim possible seems like a very different project than Fairly OddParents, Butch Hartman's work has a sardonic Christian sensibility

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What do you have some kind of disability preventing you from enjoying aesthetics, skill, meaning or something?
      I hate people that lie about why he does thing and brings other people down under himself like he's Jesus Christ.

      I'm just giving him the just rights he deserves.

      • 4 weeks ago
        guy

        Butch Hartman is a heroic Christian who got non-believers seething after a successful career and deny that he did anything
        That's worth something at least in his ranking

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Butch Hartman is a heroic Christian
          Lmao. I knew this moron was a moron, but I didn't know he was a puritan wienersucker moron too.

          • 4 weeks ago
            guy

            Your profane and basic worldview is not interesting. Fedora.jpg

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one expects creators to draw characters like they do on-screen but you'd expect them to look better when they're drawn by them, because they don't have to simplify them for animation and can reach their entire potential on them, it's an illustration of their own. But if you told me that drawing was made by an 11 years old DeviantArt artist I'd 100% believe you. Saddest part is that Butch Hartman can scam fans of his shows by doing shit commissions for over 500$.
    I think The Owl House is shit but I admire Dana Terrace's talent in drawing. The characters don't look quite as they do on-screen but her drawings of them are still impressively good and well drawn. Same with creators like McCracken etc. The characters aren't on model but they tend to look much better when they're drawn by them as a personal illustration. In Butch's case they just look like shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, pretty much.
      Most of the time, the show copies the personal style of the creator. But with Butch, it's him trying to copy the style of his shows, which is why it looks so amateurish.

      • 4 weeks ago
        guy

        If Dana Terrace converted to Christianity you would be saying the same thing about some random artist on her show that didn't draw as well

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people hate Butch because of rumors he hates gays because he didnt like shipping Vlad and Danny.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He had his mods canvas and report on anyone shipping Vlad/Danny and other slash ships, to where there was some divide and blaming for 'anti-fans' (the slashgays) getting the show ended.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thats been debunked. he didnt tell the mods to do anything. the mods nuked all that stuff on their own.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thats been debunked. he didnt tell the mods to do anything. the mods nuked all that stuff on their own.

        Yea I dont think Butch was really that invested in his old bbs forum that had like 20 people posting on it. That was just your typical early internet "We're discussing cartoons, so mods must treat everyone like toddlers" forum environments.

        I remember something though about the mod wanting to call the FBI on DarkDP, kek

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          thats been debunked. he didnt tell the mods to do anything. the mods nuked all that stuff on their own.

          >DEBOONKED
          >DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYIN' EYES

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I still have Famicom flashbacks any time I hear "debunked" or "false"

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's mostly that his digital art is fricking terrible, that example is definitely one of his much better pieces though, shitty colours aside. his traditional work is generally alright though.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is one of his better pieces. stuff like the Dib drawing he made makes me really question what exactly he did if he cant draw that well

    • 4 weeks ago
      guy

      He made cartoons with Christian themes

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This isn't that bad that's how I know Butch didn't actually draw this.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Butch didn't design the characters, Stephen Silver did. Butch just came up with the concepts, but those didn't look anything like the end product.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can tell everyone who gets their knowledge exclusively from youtube videos by posts like this.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >makes his self-insert a sleazy chad with a chiseled jawline and a full head of hair
    Pretty based honestly

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a full head of hair

      If he's a sleazebag, you know it has to be a wig.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which is why it goes without saying his animated counterpart would go "pull on it bro, it's all real"

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