>Dr. Strange
That wasn't a horror movie. It was a standard MCU formula flick.
It takes more than having a director and camera shots associated to classic horror films for a movie itself to belong to the genre.
>It was a standard MCU formula flick.
Yeah they have done that marketing trick a few times. >Winter Soldier isn't a common superhero flick! It is actually more about spies!
The marketing for Dr Strange really did push it somewhat as a horror or having that influence.
>>Dr. Strange >That wasn't a horror movie. It was a standard MCU formula flick. >It takes more than having a director and camera shots associated to classic horror films for a movie itself to belong to the genre.
we need a Sam Raimi Doctor Strange movie that wasn't tied to the MCU
For me, this is the best example of cape horror, but no one seems to see it that way. Maybe because it's mixed in with other things like science fiction and mythology.
I think it's one of two things: either the writers, cast, director, etc. not wanting to lean too hard into the horror and wind up alienating the superhero crowd or the studios directly stepping in and saying 'you can't make this too horrific/weird'. The first Hellboy was a classic Adventure movie with weird trappings, the second was closer to the mark and the potential third one GDT teased would've been full Weird Horror. But, as always, someone got cold feet and we never got a third one. Same thing happened with Constantine and New Mutants they were supposed to be more obviously horrific and they were made to pull their punches. Brightburn's probably the closest to a proper 'horrific superhero story' we've had so far. Shame Gunn's with DC now, a sequel could've been something special.
Yes but it can't be aimed at kids or at fitting in with a shared universe which is aimed at kids. In most cases it should be rated R (Blade) but if it's not it should still have dark elements (Hellboy). I would prefer if Marvel had a film imprint like Max or Marvel Knights for adult movies that didn't interact much with the rest of MCU and was generally understood as not being child friendly.
Horror-themed thrillers, comedies, and action flicks can. Actual horror, stuff that frightens, is harder. Brightburn came close but despite how self-effacing Gunn is when it comes to superheroes, for a guy who wouldn't even give Star Lord his helmet in GotG 3, there was too much whimsy; he had to do the rapid speed blitz moment but evil, the Action Comics #1 car slam moment but evil, and these are very joyful moments - sincere in their eagerness - there is no cynical huffiness to their depictions like in the Boys adaptation that would rather keep the budgets and action low. But they're too happy at their core. The Omen meets Superman is a great hook, and it produced a fine film of a couple trying to deal with their sleeper agent alien son, but it's not scary.
It can, but horror primarily works off stakes, which is pretty much missing from most capeflics. They either boost it to world-ending to try and convey a threat, or just say that they don't matter.
Only Hellboy can work because it's more Neo Noir than Superhero
>Only Hellboy can work
Blade is right there.
literally anything can work if the talent is good enough. they could make a horror Superman movie if they wanted.
I want to say there was a Superman where he fought against eldritch horrors.
>Dr. Strange
That wasn't a horror movie. It was a standard MCU formula flick.
It takes more than having a director and camera shots associated to classic horror films for a movie itself to belong to the genre.
>It was a standard MCU formula flick.
Yeah they have done that marketing trick a few times.
>Winter Soldier isn't a common superhero flick! It is actually more about spies!
The marketing for Dr Strange really did push it somewhat as a horror or having that influence.
Once, I'd have killed for a Doctor Strange filmed directed by Sam Raimi. I wouldn't even hurt a fly for Multiverse of Madness.
It's not really Raimi's baby, he came on mid-production to give it a face lift.
>Once, I'd have killed for a Doctor Strange filmed directed by Sam Raimi
the MCU and Disney nerfed him.
we need Marvel free for Disney for kino to be produced again.
it felt more like a Raimi movie than Spider-Man did
>>Dr. Strange
>That wasn't a horror movie. It was a standard MCU formula flick.
>It takes more than having a director and camera shots associated to classic horror films for a movie itself to belong to the genre.
we need a Sam Raimi Doctor Strange movie that wasn't tied to the MCU
huge missed potential
DC should adapt the Titans as a series of horror movies.
Antithesis?
Brother Blood?
Terror of Trigon?
It seems obvious, but they don't do it.
The 70's Hulk.
A Hulk Horror movie would be great.
GR should go full horror.
brightburn was fucking shit. james gunn has 0 talent
For me, this is the best example of cape horror, but no one seems to see it that way. Maybe because it's mixed in with other things like science fiction and mythology.
I think it's one of two things: either the writers, cast, director, etc. not wanting to lean too hard into the horror and wind up alienating the superhero crowd or the studios directly stepping in and saying 'you can't make this too horrific/weird'. The first Hellboy was a classic Adventure movie with weird trappings, the second was closer to the mark and the potential third one GDT teased would've been full Weird Horror. But, as always, someone got cold feet and we never got a third one. Same thing happened with Constantine and New Mutants they were supposed to be more obviously horrific and they were made to pull their punches. Brightburn's probably the closest to a proper 'horrific superhero story' we've had so far. Shame Gunn's with DC now, a sequel could've been something special.
yes, and in fact we need more
huh
yeah, sure
Fuck off, Max Landis
Yes but it can't be aimed at kids or at fitting in with a shared universe which is aimed at kids. In most cases it should be rated R (Blade) but if it's not it should still have dark elements (Hellboy). I would prefer if Marvel had a film imprint like Max or Marvel Knights for adult movies that didn't interact much with the rest of MCU and was generally understood as not being child friendly.
There was once a Marvel Knights imprint, it put out Punisher: War Zone and Ghost Rider 2.
Horror-themed thrillers, comedies, and action flicks can. Actual horror, stuff that frightens, is harder. Brightburn came close but despite how self-effacing Gunn is when it comes to superheroes, for a guy who wouldn't even give Star Lord his helmet in GotG 3, there was too much whimsy; he had to do the rapid speed blitz moment but evil, the Action Comics #1 car slam moment but evil, and these are very joyful moments - sincere in their eagerness - there is no cynical huffiness to their depictions like in the Boys adaptation that would rather keep the budgets and action low. But they're too happy at their core. The Omen meets Superman is a great hook, and it produced a fine film of a couple trying to deal with their sleeper agent alien son, but it's not scary.
First season of Legion did a good enough job.
It can, but horror primarily works off stakes, which is pretty much missing from most capeflics. They either boost it to world-ending to try and convey a threat, or just say that they don't matter.
ok