I think it's impossible. They always make them goofy; it's supposed to be supernatural-looking; a real actor will always look lackluster in that department.
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Can filming ever capture Japanese cartoons?
I think it's impossible. They always make them goofy; it's supposed to be supernatural-looking; a real actor will always look lackluster in that department.
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That is what anime looks like to everyone outside the weeb bubble.
Jazz and death metal sounds like shit to those that don't understand it, as does most modern art.
The time will come when all humans are capable of loving art.
>anime is as artistically deep as jazz
I seriously hope you guys don't believe this
>jazz
>artistically deep
So, how's your summer vacation going champ? How many days until september again?
Filtered weeb
You don't know shit about Jazz.
I wish pretentious homosexuals weren't so fond of pretending to like it.
Thank god actual Jazz musicians are the polar opposite of you lot for the most part.
Have a good cry.
I like jazz.
You don't. You just like telling people that you do.
No jazz musician that I've ever met and/or played with has ever described jazz as deep or profound in any way.
I didn't say it was deep or profound. I said it was artistically deep.
Cry about it.
>I'm not pretentious
>I'm pree tàn chaúx it's this new thing
Fucc outta here
No one said that
>anime is bad because…it just is okay?!!
Yes, it is just bad. I'm glad you got taste.
did you really just try to compare anime to fricking jazz? you uncultured man children desperately trying to justify watching shitty cartoons has always been pathetic, but this one takes the cake. holy shit
Westerners are unaware of almost all live action adaptations of manga/anime and usually assume that manga/anime == crazy superhero fighting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Little_Sister
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing, and if anime is shit then logically everything in the world must be shit.
anime is literally the japanese word for cartoons moron.
weebos often say "it's a type of cartoon".
it's the only japanese type morons.
Anime is literally the Japanese pronunciation and shortening of "animation." It has no relation to "cartoon."
It's literally a cartoon
Anime and cartoons are different subsets of animation. They are not the same. If you insist otherwise then prove it with detailed arguments and examples.
They're objectively identical
you are a stupid moron who parrots wikipedia articles written by weebos.
there is literally no other style of japanese cartoon (in 99.99% of cases).
it's just the word they use for cartoons you pretentious c**t.
you are literally moronic, they just wanted a word to express 'cartoon' and anime sounds easier for their language's mannerisms.
there is literally no other japanese style anyway (outside the 99.99% of their works at least).
weebos are pretentious morons.
I am literally correct while you are literally moronic. "Anime" comes from "animation," and anime is a form of animation distinct from cartoons.
>weebos are pretentious morons.
Would I be "pretentious" if I said that my chair is not a table?
>a technical 3D animation illustrating the functioning of a car engine is a "cartoon"
This is what you sound like.
Ok, prove it then.
No, you're the one parroting wikipedia articles while I actually know what I'm talking about.
I never said that. You are a liar. What I actually said:
>Anime is literally the Japanese pronunciation and shortening of "animation." It has no relation to "cartoon."
you are a moron, the wikipedia articles you googled that bullshit from contradict themselves because they say "it is a STYLE of cartoon but not all cartoon is anime".
So effectively they admit it's a "japanese cartoon" style but since there is no other japanese style (for most intends and purposes) it's literally 'cartoon' in japanese.
>Ok, prove it then
They're both drawn therefore they're both cartoons. If anime was all done in claymation I'd be inclined to agree with you. You can try and wrap your cartoon in as adult language as you can muster but it won't stop it from being what it is. A cartoon.
>Would I be "pretentious" if I said that my chair is not a table?
No, because you don't sit on a table. It would be pretentious to say your stool isn't a chair which is essentially what you're doing.
What I am doing is correctly making the distinction between two different things, instead of nonsensically insisting that my chair is a table, like you're doing.
I am not stupid, but you are.
>and you don't even agree with most weebos and you are a super weebo who doesn't even admit that it's type of cartoon than most online sources.
Didn't you just accuse me of googling wikipedia articles? Now you're trying to appeal to what "most weeaboos" or "online sources" say.
>Let alone what you say is vailed nationalist bullshit (pro-Japanese)
How is it nationalism to correctly identify two things as being different?
>What I am doing is correctly making the distinction between two different things, instead of nonsensically insisting that my chair is a table, like you're doing.
>correctly making the distinction
Yes, correctly making the distinction. I am right and you are wrong, as always.
You're not making correct distinctions. Your argument is akin to saying bandes dessinées aren't comic strips just because they're franco-belgian and have a unique name. It's an idiotic and pretentious viewpoint.
My argument is (correctly) that anime and cartoons are two different subsets of animation. It's up to you to disprove this.
Claymation is a distinct subset of animation. Just because your precious little cartoon was draw in Japan doesn't stop it being a cartoon.
If you look at it rationally you'll see that you contradict yourself. The only basis to your argument is that "anime looks more Japanese" but that's literally the same as saying "Disney cartoons look more American".
So you effectively say that the only reason anime is different to cartoon is that one is made with a japanese style and the other with another style. But that would also make American cartoons unique. Do they need their own name too?
We can prove further the stupidity of that situation by considering all other nations making cartoons. Do we need a new name for cartoons made in Russia for example who are another style? Get over it: they're all drawing sequences.
I never made such an argument.
>But that would also make American cartoons unique. Do they need their own name too?
Whatever. Not my problem or anime's problem or Japan's problem.
OK I can see the cognitive dissonance clearly now, which pretty much proves you contradict yourself and therefore you're wrong.
Answer us this: what exactly makes anime different than 1995's Lion King?
Let this guy be a reminder, approx 40% of Cinemaphile posters are legitimately autistic. He operates with different parameters than the rest of us. (Hence his absurdly rigid distinctions between Cartoon/anime, and the weak analogies)
Let me try and recontextualize the obvious:
A cartoon is a drawn and unrealistic/semi realistic illustration that may or may not be animated. Japanese cartoons that are animated, are called Anime. Anime has developed a distinct style that differs from western cartoons. Twerking and tapdance are very different things. But they're both forms of dance. Same with western animation and anime. They're both forms of cartoon
If u argue this any further, you're clearly sealioning or trolling
Western cartoons are also referred to as anime. This is why we even have the distinction in the first place and why people stopped using shit like Japanimation
animation = cartoon
>animation has no relation to cartoons
I've seen some weeb cope before but this is something else.
Frick you, it will always be japanimation.
Why do weeaboos always try to make anime sound like some patrician tier refined taste? Lol it's a goofy cartoon dude.
They're autistic. It's like a different variety of the autists who think wrasslin and Kaiju are refined taste
Completely baseless accusations of "autism" are the first refuge of the idiot who is triggered by anime but can make no valid arguments against it.
It's a cartoon you imbecilic manchild.
Prove it, imbecilic manchild.
>if anime is shit then logically everything in the world must be shit
Yes
actual fricking moron
>anime is like.... LE JAZZ!
Frick off, weeb.
>Comparing jazz to death metal
Metal heads are so fricking moronic
Different expressions. Not even a fan of anime. I merely compared the initial unavailability of the art forms, I never equated their artistic merit or even my own preferences. I've played jazz for over a decade, and arranged+composed music for symphony Orchestras, take it easy daddy. For that matter, the bulk of artistry found in metal is in sound design, innovating sound textures and mixing. Please save your impulsive Dick measuring instinct for box office numbers and sports. Elitism has no place in art discussion
Embarrassing post anon
Read a book you moronic manchild.
You are on Cinemaphile, not Cinemaphile.
You too.
And?
And /misc/.
cringe
absolutely embarrassing post
It's hilarious how many people you upset by speaking the truth. On top of that the reason anime, manga and ACG in general are booming throughout the world is because they represent unrestricted creativity, compared to basically anything Western which is drawn up in boardrooms with 30 people removing any semblance of soul.
In Japan and other ACG markets basically any neet/incel/otaku who likes drawing can make their own comic and get it published with very little creative interference and once published it will sink or swim based on its own merits, particularly whether it has an audience or not. People who manage to have a moderately successful manga frequently get anime adaptions based on that alone which is why you can have stuff like Redo of Healer getting a full animated series in 2022.
Meanwhile in the West aside from the occasional miracle the only good media we get are adapted from 30+ year old books, even then they manage to ruin it most of the time by "changing it to meet modern standards"
>because they represent unrestricted creativity
>anime
Yes, that's correct.
Anime and cartoons are not the same. No matter how much you ignore my posts, you will never change the truth.
You said that anime is a type of cartoon, which is wrong.
Wrong.
Anime and cartoons are an identical medium.
Burden of proof is on you to prove this claim. Notice that even hours later nobody in the thread has managed to prove it, and that one guy suffered a total mental breakdown when he tried.
>Burden of proof
Polly want a cracker?
Anime relies on its own little internal sensibilities that don't feel like anime if you ignore them but feel absolutely fricking ridiculous if you attempt them in live-action.
Also I'd wager the shitty Netflix Bebop wasn't even TRYING to feel like anime, it was just trying to capitalize on the IP for nostalgia.
I think the problem was that they tried to have this one specific character try and match the energy of the anime character while everyone else was pulled way down in energy to be more realistic, so you just have this one kid sperging out harder than seems physically possible which looks out of place. They needed to bring her down to the same level, keep her quirky but not as all over the place.
They just need to pump out trash every once in a while to keep the ip or whatever. They don't ever actually care if it's any good
there's literally a thread up about this right now
this actor gave a great performance as Ed and they really captured her mannerisms. they didnt really have the right look for her but they did do her voice and movement extremely well
I dunno. anime Ed' s energy manifests in a more playful and free flowing manner as i remember. This one was giving off more of a teeth gritting, foaming at the mouth lolsorandum tumblrite crackhead vibe. Like she' s the robot dog from invader zim or something
That's not a girl. It's a boy
Eden is just Eden you bigot
Ed is supposed to be cute
I think the kid nails the cutesy parts of Ed. She just went a little overboard with the grating voice and le quirky outbursts.
>they
Go back.
it happens all the time
see: everyone people call something "anime" like they call the twins in breaking bad anime or brother mouzone from the wire. makes no fricking sense but they still post it.
Makes a lot of sense. Like architecture, the Bible, Kabuki theater, musicals, epic poems and post-classical art, anime aims to express emotions and experiences that are too complex to convey with words or 3d-live action alone.
Anime adds layers of abstraction to both the visual and auditory experience, which makes it easier for us to grasp the artistic expression.
Live Action adaptations of anime & games rarely ever account for that lost abstraction, thus the product feels both over the top, yet understated, as if a core component is missing.
Live Action anime is like making a heavy metal version of Mozart, or a photorealistic Mona Lisa. Sure it *can* be done, but it's completely pointless and visionless.
A live action adaptation should rather use the philosophy of successful reimagenings like LOTR, Shawshank and Amadeus, or songs like A whiter shade of pale & Bohemian Rhapsody
The sad thing is it's basically a perfect translation of the anime character
But that character just doesn't work outside of anime
Edward is supposed to be a girl who looks like a boy. I dont see why they didnt cast a AFAB nonbinary or tomboy type with a male style- casting a feminine and girly AMAB nonbinary made no sense.
she's a girl moron, "non-binary" is trendy now, and I bet her leech parents thought it'd sell.
she is an afab
look at the bts, she has no peepee
Agreed. Anime physics never work IRL, it's supposed to be heightened, exaggerated reality. Especially with a character like Ed who defies the laws of physics, springing and stretching around the room with noodle arms. Attempting that with live action just ends up looking like theater kids at an anime convention
that actor did a decent job at it
the rest of it was so bad
that's what the consensus seems to be on tv, i'm sure japanese studios could do a really good job at it though
issue is hiring weebs and shit, and letting someone who isn't a japanese artist who came up with it total control
the japanese are not morons, and know their cartoons are goofy shit if put on actors.
their live action films would be serious shit.
They've made boatloads of goofy adaptations that try to very literally replicate the original. Even Hideaki Anno made one, though it's probably leaps and bounds better than most others.
Looks kino and genuinely fun. Westerners are too uptight to appreciate it.
I love this cute jellybean so much it's unreal
Oh my God
Same
Frick this queer b***h. I bet ses the reason the show got canceled
The director realized what mistake he made casting this b***h and refused to make a whole season with her and recasting is always weird no matter what when a character has already been shown
I miss this Jellybean like you wouldn't believe
an extremely grounded series could probably be adapted to live action but there's like a 50/50 chance it'd be boring as hell
No, and neither can it capture western animation. Live-action adaptions of animated firms are a meme.
What do you think about one of them being nominated for 12 Japanese academy awards and winning 4?
I did not google any wikipedia articles, so that's just projection. Anime and cartoons are different subsets of animation. They are not the same. I do not care what israelitepedia has to say on the matter.
A bicycle has wheels attached to a steering mechanism. A truck has wheels attached to a steering mechanism. Therefore, they are the same, and it is correct to say that a truck is a bicycle.
>You can try and wrap your cartoon in as adult language as you can muster but it won't stop it from being what it is. A cartoon.
Prove that they are the same.
So you are stupid in more ways than one, and you don't even agree with most weebos and you are a super weebo who doesn't even admit that it's type of cartoon than most online sources.
Let alone what you say is vailed nationalist bullshit (pro-Japanese) since it's like denying Disney made cartoons and they're supposedly "superiorAmericanNeme" or something.
>A bicycle has wheels attached to a steering mechanism. A truck has wheels attached to a steering mechanism. Therefore, they are the same, and it is correct to say that a truck is a bicycle.
Your analogies are really poor.
They're both animated drawings. Stop being a gay. They're both cartoons.
Bicycles and trucks are both vehicles with steering mechanisms attached to wheels. This is no different from what you are saying.
>They're both cartoons.
They are not, and you cannot prove they are.
Again, your analogies are poor. Anime and cartoons aren't distinct enough to warrant comparing a two wheeled, 30lb, peddle powered vehicle to 40 ton, engine powered, six wheeler.
Maybe try proving that they're distinct.
They are extremely distinct. Prove that they aren't.
>Maybe try proving that they're distinct.
Burden of proof is on you.
There was no cognitive dissonance. You claimed I made an argument that I in fact never made.
>Answer us this: what exactly makes anime different than 1995's Lion King?
Explain why they aren't different.
debate over
A cartoon is a type of animation. It cannot be all animation. That translation is blatantly wrong.
if you want to be pedantic, in american english: animation is a type of cartoon because cartoons were also non-animated.
though in most contexes cartoons are just animations and when japanese translate cartoon: they literally say animeshon.
Burden of proof is upon you. You're that one who began claiming they're distinct. I've already given my counterargument that they're not.
Your embarrassment only grows, weeb
No, it's on you. First of all you're always the ones who bring this up and start claiming that anime and cartoons are the same, and secondly we've had countless threads like this and it's always me having to explain everything, and thirdly you've lost every single thread. So now the ball is in you court. Start explaining.
>weeb
Prove it.
If they translate cartoon into animeeshon it just means it's the closest available word they have for it.
Prove that cartoons and anime are the same.
If you show Lion King (1995) to Japanese people, they will all call it anime.
You're parroting bullshit of a little american weebo society of morons.
If they call it anime, it's because they are using "anime" as a synonym for "animation." It is equivalent to an American calling it "animation." The use of "anime" in the West means specifically Japanese animation.
Ok, then bicycles and trucks are the same. That's what you're saying. And that's obviously wrong, and so is your argument.
>What the frick are you babbling about
Don't play dumb.
>You like anime. You're a weeb.
That's not what the word means.
Being factually correct is not autism. All of my arguments are correct.
>A cartoon is a drawn and unrealistic/semi realistic illustration that may or may not be animated. Japanese cartoons that are animated, are called Anime. Anime has developed a distinct style that differs from western cartoons. Twerking and tapdance are very different things. But they're both forms of dance. Same with western animation and anime. They're both forms of cartoon
They are both forms of animation. Different forms. Burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
Anime and cartoons are not the same. Where's your proof to the contrary?
> they are using "anime" as a synonym for "animation."
that's the whole point
if you don't see that even the japanese don't think "anime" is strictly japanese then we're are obviously only talking about the lunacy of a few weebos in america.
Again, they use the word to mean "animation." All animation. It does not mean that they don't perceive a difference between their animation and everyone else's. This is not complicated.
And there's a difference between Disney, and German animation, it doesn't mean they're not all animated cartoons in english or animeshon in japanese.
The differences between American and German animation have nothing to do with this. Anime and cartoons are two different things and it's up to you prove they aren't.
The burden of proof is on you. I'm telling you Mars and Earth are both planets, and you're telling me Earth is actually blueplanet and Mars is actually redplanet.
You're just talking of variations and trying to force a label that supposedly makes them too different.
You're just a weeb who is desperate to feel anime is special and not literally cartoon translated.
It's on you and I already explained why.
>I'm telling you Mars and Earth are both planets
No, what you are doing is telling me that Earth and Mars are the same thing.
>You're just talking of variations and trying to force a label that supposedly makes them too different.
I am not "forcing" anything.
>You're just a weeb
Prove it.
>who is desperate to feel anime is special and not literally cartoon translated.
It is special. It's completely different from cartoons and American animation in general. The world has many different things in it. Not everything is the same.
I never told you they are identical. They are (usually) different styles of animated cartoon.
Japanese just call animated cartoon: animashon.
*animēshon
If they translate cartoon as animation, it's only because they have no better word for it. Translating cartoon as animation is otherwise not just wrong but obviously irrational.
Anime is mainly a marketing term. American importers of japanese animation just wanted a word for it.
The japenese call anime all animation including American animation and 3D https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3
Maybe a long time ago it was a marketing term, but it doesn't change the fact that it is the established term for describing certain Japanese animations.
>The japenese call anime all animation including American animation and 3D
It has already been pointed out that in Japanese usage anime tends to be synonymous with all animation. It doesn't mean anything.
The boring truth is that "anime" is just the marketing term for "japanese animation".
It was no strong artistic value because its main purpose is to sell a product.
The Japanese were influenced by western art but nobody calls that anime.
If Americans take from japanese art nobody calls that anime either.
Anime has become the established way to refer to certain kinds of Japanese animations. It does not matter whatsoever if it was originally developed as a marketing term. Why are you even talking about this? What is the relevance?
>The Japanese were influenced by western art but nobody calls that anime.
Influenced into doing what?
>If Americans take from japanese art nobody calls that anime either.
Because it's not anime.
>It was sheering disbelief at your awful reading comprehension.
What awful reading comprehension?
>They're both drawn, moron.
And now we're just going back to the truck and bicycle fallacy, which you still cannot resolve.
>Reread your posts for proof.
Cite the relevant posts and explain how they support your claim.
>I've given my proof
You have attempted but failed to give proof.
>Again, reading comprehension.
It is your argument, not mine.
>I've watched anime. It is just a cartoon.
This is factually wrong and you have no evidence to the contrary.
>I am an obsessive nega-weeb. Unlike you I'm not afraid to admit it.
What is the purpose of accusing me of being obsessed but then admitting that you yourself are obsessed?
Your position in reality is hypocritical, because if it's purely an art style and "only originally" a marketing term,
name 3 western works that are clearly anime.
because it's truly an art style: it would be easily found outside japan.
if you think it's only japanese: it's still a marketing term.
I never said anywhere that anime is only an art style.
>it's still a marketing term.
Again, what does it matter whether or not the term was originally developed as a marketing term?
>Your awful reading comprehension
Prove it.
>We resolved that ages ago, stop bringing it up. It's embarrassing.
You resolved nothing.
>No.
Then you admit your claim is false.
>The only thing it's failed to do is enter your thick skull
No, you simply have failed to give proof. And it's no wonder, since you are objectively wrong and making absurd claims that cannot be proven.
>Again, reading comprehension
No. It is your argument.
>Is it factually wrong that I watched anime or is it factually wrong that it's a cartoon?
The latter is 100% factually wrong, and the former has a very high chance of being factually wrong.
>And I've already shown you that they're just cartoons.
No you haven't.
>It's obsessively fun to watch you pop a blood vessel trying to deny how obsessive you are.
You are the one popping a blood vessel. I know I'm absolutely correct and I've dealt with the likes of you many times before. And it always ends with you losing.
>Prove it.
Just di.
>You resolved nothing.
Yes I did
>Then you admit your claim is false.
No I don't
>No, you simply have failed to give proof. And it's no wonder, since you are objectively wrong and making absurd claims that cannot be proven.
I'm objectively correct and I'm making perfectly grounded claims
>No. It is your argument.
No it isn't.
>The latter is 100% factually wrong, and the former has a very high chance of being factually wrong.
The latter is factually correct, and the former has a 100% chance of being factually correct.
>No you haven't.
Yes I have. Re-read.
>You are the one popping a blood vessel.
Hehehehe
>I know I'm absolutely correct and I've dealt with the likes of you many times before. And it always ends with you losing.
Brick walls win headbutting competitions
>Just di.
Where?
>Yes I did
As long as you keep making the argument that cartoons and anime are the same because they're both animation or drawn, you are necessarily making the bicycles and trucks argument. You have not resolved this.
>No I don't
Yes you do. You said you refuse to prove it.
>I'm objectively correct and I'm making perfectly grounded claims
You are objectively wrong and have not been able to do anything to prove otherwise.
>No it isn't.
See above.
>The latter is factually correct, and the former has a 100% chance of being factually correct.
The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that cartoons and anime are the same, and you have failed to do so.
>Yes I have. Re-read.
Re-read what?
>Brick walls win headbutting competitions
I win because I'm always right.
>Where?
Here
>As long as you keep making the argument that cartoons and anime are the same because they're both animation or drawn, you are necessarily making the bicycles and trucks argument. You have not resolved this.
I'm not. Trucks and bikes are different. Stop putting words in my mouth. It embarrasses you.
>Yes you do. You said you refuse to prove it.
No I don't
>You are objectively wrong and have not been able to do anything to prove otherwise.
Is manga not a graphic novel? Or does that have some magic weeb power surrounding it like anime?
>See above.
I don't see anything of merit
>The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that cartoons and anime are the same, and you have failed to do so.
See my previous point on manga.
>Re-read what?
Previous posts, numbnuts
>I win because I'm always right.
Hello, brickwall
Where is "here"? Be specific.
>I'm not. Trucks and bikes are different. Stop putting words in my mouth. It embarrasses you.
Yes, they are different. Just like cartoons and anime are different. I did not put words into your mouth, I clearly demonstrated the logical conclusion to your argument. It is not my fault that your argument has unintended implications.
>No I don't
Ok, then prove it.
>Is manga not a graphic novel? Or does that have some magic weeb power surrounding it like anime?
Manga is also a distinct artform, not interchangeable with any and all comics.
>I don't see anything of merit
I explained what makes it your argument.
>Previous posts, numbnuts
What previous posts, numbnuts?
>Hello, brickwall
No. I win because I'm right.
>Where is "here"? Be specific.
Now
>Yes, they are different. Just like cartoons and anime are different. I did not put words into your mouth, I clearly demonstrated the logical conclusion to your argument. It is not my fault that your argument has unintended implications.
They're different but anime and cartoons aren't. I fail to see why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp. The other anons were right. You are autistic.
>Ok, then prove it.
Disprove it
>Manga is also a distinct artform, not interchangeable with any and all comics.
That's like saying linge claire isn't a comic. It's needlessly pedantic.
>I explained what makes it your argument.
Hardly
What previous posts, numbnuts?
>Every previous post, number nuts
>No. I win because I'm right.
A win to exasperation isn't a win
>Now
Show me the specific posts and quote the relevant parts.
>They're different but anime and cartoons aren't.
If anime and cartoons are the same then, logically and inevitably, bicycles and trucks must also be the same. You cannot escape this fact.
>You are autistic.
No, you are.
>Disprove it
Burden of proof is on you.
>That's like saying linge claire isn't a comic. It's needlessly pedantic.
There is nothing pedentic going on here. Manga is a distinct form of comics whether you like it or not.
>Hardly
If anime and cartoons are the same just because both are animation, then it necessarily has to mean that by the same logic a bicycle and truck are the same because both are vehicles.
>Every previous post, number nuts
Link to all of them and quote the relevant parts.
>A win to exasperation isn't a win
I'm objectively correct and have completely defeated all of your attempts at making arguments. Have you even made anything better than "well they're both animation"?
>well they're both animation"
If that's the only thing you've gotten from everything I've said then no wonder you win. It's a false win but I guess it counts.
What else do you have then?
It isn't worth posting because you'll ignore it and repeat 'burden of proof bicycles and trucks burden of proof bicycles and trucks' to yourself like a parrot.
So you're saying that "well they're both animation" is in fact the only argument you have.
>you'll ignore it and repeat 'burden of proof bicycles and trucks burden of proof bicycles and trucks' to yourself like a parrot.
I am not randomly repeating random things. I am telling you the burden of proof is on you because IT IS on you, and I have explained the bicycles and trucks analogy perfectly clearly. If you don't like me repeating myself then stop making it necessary for me to repeat myself.
Burden of proof burden of proof
Do you even comprehend what I'm telling you? Do you understand what burden of proof is? Do you think I'm just randomly repeating random things?
Oh I'm well aware of what burden of proof means. But I've provided arguments and you've just ignored them so it's easier to just make a mockery of the entire thing until I've dropped to your level.
Just because you've provided some arguments in some cases does not mean that the burden of proof is now lifted from you and you no longer have to make any new arguments. And what have I ignored?
>until I've dropped to your level.
I'm far above you.
Lmaooo you just now these post are fricking with the weeb's autism
lol where do biblically accurate angels fit in that meme?
Biblically accurate angels is a psued meme. They think it's hidden knowledge.
>What awful reading comprehension?
Your awful reading comprehension
>And now we're just going back to the truck and bicycle fallacy, which you still cannot resolve.
We resolved that ages ago, stop bringing it up. It's embarrassing.
>Cite the relevant posts and explain how they support your claim.
No.
>You have attempted but failed to give proof
The only thing it's failed to do is enter your thick skull
>It is your argument, not mine.
Again, reading comprehension
>This is factually wrong and you have no evidence to the contrary.
Is it factually wrong that I watched anime or is it factually wrong that it's a cartoon?
Because I've definitely watched anime. And I've already shown you that they're just cartoons.
>What is the purpose of accusing me of being obsessed but then admitting that you yourself are obsessed?
It's obsessively fun to watch you pop a blood vessel trying to deny how obsessive you are.
>redditspacing
>Ok, then bicycles and trucks are the same. That's what you're saying. And that's obviously wrong, and so is your argument.
They are both vehicles at their very root and anime and cartoons are both animation at their very root. But again, bicycles are the claymation, distinct. Saying anime isn't a cartoon is like saying a Saab and a Scania truck are too completely distinct vehicles just because they come from different countries.
>Don't play dumb
I have never argued with you in my life
>That's not what the word means.
You're clearly obsessed enough with Japanese culture that you demand that there be a distinct between Japanese cartoons and American cartoons. Therefore you're a weeb.
I never said they aren't both animation. Obviously they are.
> But again, bicycles are the claymation, distinct.
If you say that anime and cartoons must be the same because they're both animation, it's EXACTLY the same as my bicycle and truck analogy. No difference.
>Saying anime isn't a cartoon is like saying a Saab and a Scania truck are too completely distinct vehicles just because they come from different countries.
At no point did I make the argument that they are different only because they come from different countries.
>You're clearly obsessed enough with Japanese culture that you demand that there be a distinct between Japanese cartoons and American cartoons. Therefore you're a weeb.
I am not "obsessed," and I am not "demanding" anything. I am simply stating a fact.
>I never said they aren't both animation. Obviously they are.
What?
>> But again, bicycles are the claymation, distinct.
>If you say that anime and cartoons must be the same because they're both animation, it's EXACTLY the same as my bicycle and truck analogy. No difference.
Claymation uses a different medium to portray animation. Anime doesn't. It's a cartoon.
anime isn't a cartoon is like saying a Saab and a Scania truck are too completely distinct vehicles just because they come from different countries.
>At no point did I make the argument that they are different only because they come from different countries.
I said that mostly because you haven't made an argument and I had to infer some sort of meaning from the endless repetitive drivel you've been typing. It's basically the only distinction I could ever come up with.
>>You're clearly obsessed enough with Japanese culture that you demand that there be a distinct between Japanese cartoons and American cartoons. Therefore you're a weeb.
>I am not "obsessed," and I am not "demanding" anything. I am simply stating a fact
You are evidently obsessed.
I'm a Francophile but I don't go on a rager whenever someone calls dessin animé a cartoon. Because it is a cartoon. Just because there isn't a literal translation for cartoon in the French language doesn't stop it being just that.
What are you not getting here? Yes, cartoons and anime are both animation. Are you saying they're not?
>Claymation uses a different medium to portray animation. Anime doesn't. It's a cartoon.
Anime and cartoons are two different things.
>I said that mostly because you haven't made an argument and I had to infer some sort of meaning from the endless repetitive drivel you've been typing.
The burden of proof is on you, and I have posted no drivel. Stop lying.
>It's basically the only distinction I could ever come up with.
Then you are either dishonest or so terminally ignorant that you should leave the thread immediately.
>You are evidently obsessed.
Prove it.
>What are you not getting here? Yes, cartoons and anime are both animation. Are you saying they're not?
Stop being facetious. Of course they're both animation. They're just identical forms of animation, you fricking moron.
uses a different medium to portray animation. Anime doesn't. It's a cartoon.
>Anime and cartoons are two different things.
They're not. There is a reason I keep bringing up claymation, you know.
>>I said that mostly because you haven't made an argument and I had to infer some sort of meaning from the endless repetitive drivel you've been typing.
>The burden of proof is on you, and I have posted no drivel. Stop lying.
Everything you've posted is drivel. Try and come up with an actual argument rather than "the burden of proof is on you" and "trucks and bicycles are the same lol"
>>It's basically the only distinction I could ever come up with.
>Then you are either dishonest or so terminally ignorant that you should leave the thread immediately.
If your arguments are so baseless that your opponent needs to read between the lines to try and make a vague grasp of whatever gormless piffle you spout then you should leave due to the sheer embarrassment.
>>You are evidently obsessed.
>Prove it.
You're still here, you obsessive weeb.
>Stop being facetious. Of course they're both animation.
Then what was with the "what"?
>They're just identical forms of animation, you fricking moron.
Prove it, fricking moron.
>They're not.
Prove it.
>Everything you've posted is drivel.
Prove it.
>Try and come up with an actual argument rather than "the burden of proof is on you" and "trucks and bicycles are the same lol"
The burden of proof IS on you, which means YOU must come up with the arguments. "Truck and bicycles are the same" is an argument YOU have made.
>If your arguments are so baseless that your opponent needs to read between the lines to try and make a vague grasp of whatever gormless piffle you spout then you should leave due to the sheer embarrassment.
If you cannot detect differences between cartoons and anime it can only mean two things: that you are dishonest or that you know absolutely not a single thing about the topic you're so desperate trying to argue about.
>You're still here, you obsessive weeb.
So are you, so by your own logic you are an obsessive weeb.
There was no redditspacing. I accept your concession.
>Then what was with the "what"?
It was sheering disbelief at your awful reading comprehension.
>Prove it
They're both drawn, moron. There was a reason I kept bringing up claymation. Or maybe your brain dripped out your ear whenever you viewed that word.
>Prove it.
See above.
>Prove it.
Reread your posts for proof.
>The burden of proof IS on you, which means YOU must come up with the arguments.
I've given my proof, my yoke is easy and my burden is light. You on the other hand have yet to do so.
>"Truck and bicycles are the same" is an argument YOU have made.
Again, reading comprehension.
>If you cannot detect differences between cartoons and anime it can only mean two things: that you are dishonest or that you know absolutely not a single thing about the topic you're so desperate trying to argue about.
I've watched anime. It is just a cartoon.
>So are you, so by your own logic you are an obsessive weeb.
I am an obsessive nega-weeb. Unlike you I'm not afraid to admit it.
>Prove that cartoons and anime are the same.
They're both animated drawings. It's as simple as that.
>No, it's on you. First of all you're always the ones who bring this up and start claiming that anime and cartoons are the same, and secondly we've had countless threads like this and it's always me having to explain everything, and thirdly you've lost every single thread. So now the ball is in you court. Start explaining.
What the frick are you babbling about
>>weeb
>Prove it.
You like anime. You're a weeb.
I want to flick her jellybean like you wouldn't believe.
I also agree that it’s impossible, it’s like asking if someone can successfully recreate Van Gogh’s Starry Night as a photograph. they’re two completely different mediums with completely different methods for rendering imagery. animation, at least good animation (which I’d classify Cowboy Bebop is good), leans into the visual freedom of animation by using methods like stretch/squash/skew and depicting angles and perspectives that are physically impossible to capture in a camera. rotoscoping ala A Scanner Darkly is an interesting gray area, and I feel like if anime were to be “adapted” faithfully the only way to do it would be rotoscoping as you could get the star power of actor’s faces in the film but transcend the limitations of film and maintain the inherent surreality of animation. iirc there are a lot of anime features and television programs that actually use rotoscoping or motion capture, so this shouldn’t be a controversial statement
Noooooo, guys!!!! My drawings of animated 15 year old school girls aren't cartoons!!!!
Japanese cannot act.
shouldve showed her FEET dammit
>I think it's impossible. They always make them goofy; it's supposed to be supernatural-looking; a real actor will always look lackluster in that department.
It was done 20 years ago, so it can be done.
Those netflix "adaptations" arent made for fans of the anime, they are just a way to try to jump early on a trend, the people in there know anime and manga is the next big thing, problem is that the people who make those shows only care about pushing leftsist propaganda.
shaolin soccer is kino, but it's not anime.
it's closer to what Kill Bill did.
Technically it was directly inspired from Captain Tsubasa but i know what you mean, it leans more to a homage kinda.
As far as i'm concerned, Shaolin Soccer is the only movie that managed to nail anime visual style nicely for live action (the HK cheap CG aside).
Anime does not mean just crazy effects and epic fight scenes.
see here
>Can filming ever capture Japanese cartoons?
No, your brain processes animation differently from real life actors. It becomes a lot more tolerant to certain quirks that look downright moronic if a real human does them.
This doesn't just apply to anime. The live-action Disney remakes were trash too. There is literally no good reason to make a live-action remake of something that was originally animated. I don't understand the desire for this.
Ed is cute. This looks obnoxious.
Inb4 coping pedos.
They'll have to cast troons, like 100% of the cast must be troons
idc what Cinemaphile says, she's cute and funny
anime vs cartoons has never been discussed before in history so I'm glad we're able to have this groundbreaking conversation
I'm glad to be a participant even if my groundbreaking and rivetting arguments were roundly ignored
american good in films
japanese great in animations
is all there is
Both are shit
best live action adaptation of an anime, great teacher onizuka (1998). the special and movie sucked but the tv series was great.
Bicycles and trucks
Squawk
Bicycles and trucks
Do you still not comprehend what the analogy means and how it relates to your argument? Do you think they are just some random words I'm randomly repeating for no reason?
Burden of proof
Burden of proof
So you are saying that you in fact do not comprehend what burden of proof means, and to you "burden of proof" is just some random assembly of letters that I'm randomly repeating?
Bicycles and trucks
It's a good analogy
Bicycles and trucks
Squawk
You are admitting to being moronic in the literal, medical sense. You are admitting to being so stupid that you can't even comprehend what you are reading. And you are still so delusionally arrogant as to think that you have the upper hand in this argument.
Squawk
Burden of proof
Burden of proof
Polly wants a cracker
Anime isn't cartoons
Anime isn't cartoons
Squawk
You've done nothing to prove otherwise. All you've done is idiotically flail around and shit yourself, just like everyone else who came before you. It's always the same. Anons become full of fire and brimstone thinking they're gonna teach the autistic weebs a lesson and prove that they're the same thing, only to totally embarass themselves.
It depends on the source material. Ghost in the shell looked great, it just suffered from a condensed story. Alita was also decent, but did look a little goofy. I imagine NVG could actually look decent, but you'd need a good director who could handle the introspective bits. Also, most adoptions would need to be several films long to be done well.
>You've done nothing to prove otherwise. All you've done is idiotically flail around and shit yourself, just like everyone else who came before you. It's always the same. Anons become full of fire and brimstone thinking they're gonna teach the autistic weebs a lesson and prove that they're the same thing, only to totally embarass themselves.
What am I parroting now? Do you think I was repeating something I said before?
Oh, so you would like to take his place? Ok then, prove to me that cartoons and anime are the same. Also prove that all anime are goofy.
>Western cartoons are also referred to as anime.
Incorrectly.
Correctly. It's been mentioned before but you ignored it, as usual.
Incorrectly.
>It's been mentioned before but you ignored it, as usual.
Ok, tell me what I ignored.
Why? You'll ignore this too.
You just said I ignored something. So what was it? Don't tell me you can't answer the question.
Read the thread.
I can answer the question. But you'll ignore it because it doesn't fit your argument. I think you'd be amongst friends on reddit or twitter.
If you can answer the question then answer it. If you won't, then you concede that your accusation was false.
>I think you'd be amongst friends on reddit or twitter.
That's projection.
>If you can answer the question then answer it. If you won't, then you concede that your accusation was false.
I'll give you a hint. It's French.
And it's not an projection as I don't redditspace as much as you do.
You either answer the question or you concede that the accusation was false. Which will it be?
>And it's not an projection as I don't redditspace as much as you do.
There was no redditspacing.
>You either answer the question or you concede that the accusation was false. Which will it be?
I gave you a hint.
Redditspacing
You concede that your argument was false.
>Redditspacing
There was no redditspacing.
There is no falsehood
Redditspacing
You were given a choice and you chose to concede.
>Redditspacing
Repeating an accusation doesn't make it true. There was no redditspacing and you can't prove otherwise.
>Repeating an accusation doesn't make it true. There was no redditspacing and you can't prove otherwise.
See. It's right there.
Prove it.
Disprove it. The burden of proof falls on you.
You made the claim, which puts the burden of proof on you.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing.
This is projection.
>You made the claim, which puts the burden of proof on you.
No, you did
No, you did. You claimed that I used redditspacing. The burden of proof is on you.
No, you did. The burden of proof is on you.
Your brain is so broken you can't even keep track of what posts are yours and what posts aren't. Stop trying to argue about things when you 1) don't know anything about them, and 2) are too stupid effectively argue anything. The only way you'd ever win an argument is if you went against someone even dumber than you, which doesn't seem likely.
No, your brain is so broken you can't even keep track of what posts are yours and what posts aren't. Stop trying to argue about things when you 1) don't know anything about them, and 2) are too stupid effectively argue anything. The only way you'd ever win an argument is if you went against someone even dumber than you, which doesn't seem likely.
You've completely lost your shit.
This is what happens every time some dumb, arrogant anon thinks he can tell me that cartoons and anime are the same. They always fail, they always lose, they always embarass themselves. And nobody ever learns from it.
I think the other guy won
Then feel free to go through the exchange and point out exactly how you think that happened.
No thanks. See ya round
Then you concede that he did not win.
Nope
Yeah this
You either go through the exchange and demonstrate how you think he won, or you concede. It's that simple.
No, you either go through the exchange and demonstrate how you think he lost, or you concede. It's that simple.
The argument itself proves that you lost and you've done nothing to try to salvage that, instead choosing to descend deeper and deeper into idiocy.
Then read the thread.
I did. Be more convincing
This argument itself proves that you lost and you've done nothing to try to salvage that, instead choosing to descend deeper and deeper into idiocy.
I'm not part of the debate. It's your job to convince me, the viewer
Why don't you go through the entire exchange and point out to where he lost. The burden of proof is on you after all.
The argument itself proves that he lost.
No, you've completely lost your shit.
This is what happens every time some dumb, arrogant anon thinks he can tell me that cartoons and anime are different. They always fail, they always lose, they always embarass themselves. And nobody ever learns from it.
The other guy won lol. You come off like a fricking dork
Then go through the exchange and demonstrate how you think he won.
Explain in detail how you think he won.
Looks like you gave up. Better luck next time loser
I did not give up, and I won the thread.
Total psychotic meltdown.
Then go through the exchange and demonstrate how you think he lost.
Explain in detail how you think he lost.
This you? OH NO NO NO NO NO
Are you a schizophrenic?
Yeah it can, just pick something like boy's abyss or a shoujo manga that isn't too Manga like
If bitcoin ever goes to 1 million and ethereum to 50k, I'll use all my money to create a live adaptation of Berserk. And no race swapping will be allowed. I HAVE SPOKEN.
Yes, when they're made by an anime director, intentionally filmed in a manner that imitates anime.
That was adapted from a radio drama. Any anime and manga came later.
Imitates what? Dragon Ball? Monogatari? Sailor Moon? Patlabor? Utena? Kill la Kill? Spirited Away?
>posting this ugly zoomer moron
I'm happy it's career is dead. even happier that it happened on it's birthday.
I fricking hate weebs so goddamn much
No, they should stay cartoons. Golden Boy is one of my favorite Japanese cartoons, very funny stuff.
Anime relies largely on pedo or hebephilia it's hard to translate to western media.
I still can't believe the series ended on this lmao
Yes obviously you can, Alice in Borderland was a good adaption and it's getting a Season 2 soon despite forcing all the characters into swimsuits for the entire first arc, it even has (unforced) diversity!. Alita the movie was actually decent. You'll never be able to adapt something if you go in with the arrogant attitude that "it needs to be changed" whether it's completely changing the characters (Wheel of Time) or changing character costumes (Bebop). But if you stick to the source material and earnestly try to make a good adaption it's definitely possible.
>Alita the movie was actually decent. You'll never be able to adapt something if you go in with the arrogant attitude that "it needs to be changed"
LMAO, they wrecked Battle Angel with stupid changes and plot condensing.
Holy shit why are you autists still arguing, look I'll give you all the difference -
>Anime is a Japanese term for animation. Outside of Japan and in English, anime refers specifically to animation produced in Japan.
>Animation produced outside of Japan with similar style to Japanese animation is commonly referred to as anime-influenced animation.
Anime is literally Japanese animation which typically has a distinct style from Western animation to the point other countries emulate it and refer to similarly styled animation as anime-influenced animation. Argument over, everyone go home
Lol. I love weeb cope.
How is he a weeb? How was he coping?
>How is he a weeb?
Look at the image
>How was he coping?
Look at the text
And yet 'A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style.'
Anime fits that definition perfectly.
>And yet 'A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style.'
You don't refer to unanimated drawings as anime anon, that's incorrect. Those comic strips you see in boomer newspapers are cartoons
>You don't refer to unanimated drawings as anime anon, that's incorrect.
Yes because they're cartoons like anime
It's quite literally the dictionary definition and the article descriptions from wikipedia
If you love it so much why don't you marry it?
Sounds like cartoons
Anime and cartoons are two different things.
How?
Burden of proof
Burden of proof
So a japanese cartoon is different from a american cartoon? Thanks for clearing that up. You saved the thread
So you're saying Japanese cartoons are a completely different thing or are they just a different style of cartoons? I'm not into anime and I'm trying to understand all this
"Japanese cartoons" and "anime" are not the same thing.
Yes they are
What are Japan cartoons called?
anime
In Japan, "anime," pronounced "ah-nee-meh," are cartoons that date back to the early 1900s. A related Japanese term is "manga," which refers to animated cartoons and comics in general, not necessarily in the anime style. Outside Japan, the terms manga and anime are often used synonymously
Once again: "anime," in Japan, means "animation." If they say that Tom & Jerry is an "anime," it's equivalent to an English speaker saying it's "animation." We already went over this.
False and the burden of proof is on you
No, it's on you. This was already explained in the thread. You must prove that they are the same.
anon, you are being what the kids call "baited hard"
But they're both cartoons? Do you mean the style of animation? I'm confused. Could you explain it better?
They are not both cartoons, because cartoons and anime are two different things. They are different, distinct styles of animation.
>They are different, distinct styles of animation.
No they're not. Lol
Yes they are and the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing and the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
I'm not saying it, those are the dictionary and common knowledge (wikipedia) definitions). To try to clarify for you -
>Anime refers to Japanese animation
>Cartoon refers to a simple drawing, sometimes animated
Under these definitions you cannot rationally say Anime = Cartoons because many Cartoons are not animated, comic strips in magazines or scribbles on paper are also Cartoons. Even if the words were synonyms, which they aren't, there would also be the recognized style differences. Even if there were no style differences, which there are, we would still recognize them as distinct because it specifically has to be "Japanese animation", a bit like how we recognize Champagne and Sparkling Wine as different but don't focus on this metaphor too much because as said before there are more fundamental differences, I'm just saying even without those differences, we would still see them as distinct because of where they originate from. I hope that clears it up for you anon.
Anime seems like animated drawings. Are the drawings not simple enough?
Anime is a cartoon and manga is a cartoon. Just because a cartoon can be both doesn't mean neither can be a cartoon. Stop acting so delusional.
Anime and cartoons are two different things and not one person in this thread or any other thread has ever proven otherwise. The one anon here is having a literal psychotic breakdown because he couldn't prove it.
No I'm not. This is damage control.
Anime and cartoons are two identical things and not one person in this thread or any other thread has ever proven otherwise. The one anon here is having a literal psychotic breakdown because he couldn't prove it.
Anime originates in Japan, that's a difference isn't it?
No.
I get the impulse to vex weebs, but everybody knows the difference between anime & cartoons that are not anime.
Yea, but they took inspiration from western cartoons and made they're own cartoons in their own style. It's a different type of cartoon called anime
Anime and cartoons are not the same. No matter how many times you ignore my posts, you will not change the truth.
Wtf I'm agreeing with you. I'm trying to defend anime so these stupid westerners can finally get it right on what it is
The dictionary definitions and commonly understood definitions are right there in front of you anons, you've been told what makes anime distinct even if it's just that it originates in Japan, I'm not sure why you're trying to argue semantics, I can't see the merit or benefit in willfully using the wrong word
>commonly understood definitions
They're not commonly understood if you can't understand them
If semantics are so inconsequential why are you trying to argue them? Stop goal post moving. Anime is a type of cartoon, that just happens to be animated. Stop trying to make it out like you're an adult for watching cartoons. You might as well be watching Rick and Morty.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing and nobody in this thread has proven otherwise. The burden of proof remains on you.
They're identical. Prove me wrong.
Burden of proof remains on you.
In English we recognize Anime as animation produced in Japan, while we recognize simple drawings and animation created in the West as Cartoons
>In English we recognize Anime as animation produced in Japan
An animated cartoon produced in Japan, yeah I agree.
You recognized the difference! We made it anon!
So anime is a cartoon. I'm glad you've finally come around.
In the same way a Car is a vehicle and a Bicycle is a vehicle if you like, but obviously we recognize the difference between the two
No it would be like trying to find the difference between a fiat punto and a nissan micra. From different places but they're both cars.
The differences between anime and cartoons are vastly greater than the differences between two models of cars.
make one of them a pick-up truck
No lol
Yes lol, and the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. Better hurry up, thread won't last for long.
Enjoying your mental breakdown?
>burden of proof
Who's a pretty polly
This makes more sense
It does not. See
It's a flawed comparison because a Fiat Punto is never a Bicycle, whereas a Vehicle(Cartoon) is sometimes a Motorbike(comic strip) or a Bicycle(still picture) or a Car (animation).
Anime and cartoons aren't the same. That's the bottomline and the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
Thread over we can all go home
But they are understood anon, and I'm not trying to make anything out, Anime is largely aimed at children and sometimes young adults but that has no bearing on why they have different names. I have never moved the goalposts at all I just explained to you the recognized difference?
Most anime is not made for children.
Yeah but cartoons are simple drawings that are sometimes animated. Anime is animated drawings. Are the animated drawings in anime not simple enough to qualify as cartoons? Is that what it is?
Can I get an answer to this?
I wouldn't hold your breath you'll be asked to provide burden of proof
yes, you can get an answer. the answer is "no".
>no
Okay, so the animated drawings aren't too complex to disqualify them from being cartoons.
Anime and cartoons are not the same. Period.
Yes they are. Period.........
No, they're both cartoons
Of course not. I'm a drawgay, I like cartoons. I like some animu & mango because the japs draw some pretty good cartoons. I'm not the anon that's all 'burden of proof burden of proof', but there's obviously a difference between anime & western cartoons. Also, I don't care if you don't see it or don't care.
Oh yeah there are definitely stylistic and cultural differences but it's still a cartoon.
No it isn't. I'm right, you're wrong.
Doesn't matter what videos you post. You're still wrong and can't do anything about it.
I don't know why anyone would argue that it's not, except that there's so much in each category it's helpful to divide them.
Because it's factually correct to say that anime is not cartoons.
I get your side of it too, I just think you're allowing yourself to be baited to hell & gone.
Again, there was no bait. Stop trying to gaslight me, it won't work.
No it isn't.
>Stop trying to gaslight me, it won't work
As you like, anon. As you like.
But it is a cartoon
>No it isn't.
Yes it is
No it isn't. Burden of proof is on you. Thread is almost over and not a single person has gone beyond "uhhh but they're both animation." You have absolutely no leg to stand on. Your side has no arguments. You are completely helpless.
>Burden of proof
You were given an answer, Anime has the requirement that it is from Japan. We could argue style differences but that's a lot more complex than realizing the place it's created matters, like Campagne.
Oh so anime is a cartoon. Dessin anime is the name for French cartoons but they're still cartoons.
No, anime are not cartoons. The thread is about to close and not a single person has managed to even get anywhere close to proving they're the same. "But they're both animation...!" is all we've gotten.
No your comparison isn't the same, it's not a translation like your French example. The word anime has been adopted into the English language to refer to Japanese animation.
>it's not a translation
It was originally.
Let's make French animation more popular and we can have an idiotic thread where frogaboos can argue about how dessin anime are totally not cartoons guys they're super mature and different
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it or how much you ignore me. The truth is the truth.
It doesn't matter what it was originally, we're talking about what it is now and what you're describing has literally happened, we have Manhwa (Korean Comics) and Manhua (Chinese Comics) that are inspired by Japanese Manga which are rapidly growing in popularity, in fact many have been adopted into anime by Japanese animation studios.
>we have Manhwa (Korean Comics) and Manhua (Chinese Comics)
So cartoons?
More similar to Manga
Which is a type of cartoon
Yea, korean and chinese cartoons
But cartoons none the less
Yup, they're all cartoons. Even the japanese ones. Idk how weebs can't understand this
Wrong, and you have zero evidence to back up your side.
So anime is Japanese animated cartoons or like how you guys call it 'manga'. So just animated manga/comics/cartoons. I think I get it now. Thanks for responding
edge of tomorrow and speed racer were acceptable.
No and it's the stupidest fricking thing to ever eat shit when they try to make it.
How would you explain a movie like Our Little Sister then? Or Ichi the Killer? Or Oldboy?
Anime and cartoons are not the same.
Burden of proof is on you to prove that they are the same.
>Look at the image
What about it?
>Look at the text
What about it?
>And yet 'A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style.'
>Anime fits that definition perfectly.
Incorrect definition.
>What about it?
Weeb
>What about it?
Cope
It's the correct definition
>Weeb
Yes, you already said he's a weeb. How is he a weeb?
>Cope
How was he coping?
>It's the correct definition
Any definition of cartoon that also includes anime is necessarily incorrect.
Cartoons and anime are not the same thing.
He's a weeb because he's a weeb
He's coping because he's coping
Anime is by definition a cartoon
Get over it
In other words you made some knee-jerk accusations and have no idea why you made them and have no idea how to prove them.
>Anime is by definition a cartoon
No it isn't, and the burden of proof is on you.
Coping weeb
Lunatic idiot. You go around making random accusations that you have no idea how to even begin backing up. You have no control over your brain.
Coping weeb
>How would you explain a movie like Our Little Sister then? Or Ichi the Killer? Or Oldboy?
I can enjoy those movies because I never saw any animoos they were based on.
Reminder that this will always be worse than Bebop (2021) Ed. And 2021 Ed was only in the last two minutes of the final episode.
>ITT The same board that watches Jazz and Euphoria and marvel movies tries to have the intellectual high ground
>ITT The same anon that watches Japanese cartoons tries to have the intellectual high ground
Did someone say burden of proof?
Did I hear burden of proof?
Depends on the Japanese cartoon. Some are unfilmable. Others, yes (pic related).
I don't think weebs realise how ridiculous they are. Imagine if Canadian animation became as popular as Japanese animation. We'd get canaboos dressed as Mounties and going eh at everything.
They're too easy. Look at all the bait they took in this thread lol. It's like fricking with LULZ or pol. They lack so much self awareness
There has been no bait in this thread.
Lmaoooo if you only knew bro. Please take it easy and try not to get worked up by this thread. I imagine shit like this keeps you up at night
There was no bait. Every time I'm beating someone's ass in an argument, one of his friends shows up to try to damage control it by claiming that he was only baiting. Seen it countless times.
Westaboos absolutely exist anon
I'm well aware. Just not to the embarrassing extent of weebs.
>Complain about chinese cartoons
>They start copying American cartoons.
Anime adaptions always fail
Imagine the sex in that position