It's bad enough that it's impossible to actually start reading the damn things, but there's also literally nothing else to read besides "stories" about stupidly dressed vigilantes who fight each other instead of crime. This is why manga won.
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>OP discovers the wheel
>the wheel
???
>OP has never read a book, only capeshit and manga
There's literally nothing else in comics besides capeshit.
>yet another indie shill who thinks semen stained manifestos written by mall shooters is something any sane person whats to read
Nevermind, you're probably that Sci-fi schizo
Go have a nice day
bump
>yet another asiatic vs mutt thread
>yet another moron that thinks "all mutt comics are published by the big 2"
Then let's murder capeshit and everyone involved with it.
oh yeah it's fricking dead
The absolute RAPE. It's almost like genre diversity matters or something.
Indie comics are universally shit because there's no editor, nobody to say "No, that's fricking stupid.", no filter between the writer's diseased brain and the page. How the hell you can't see that is beyond me.
Wrong. Lots of indie comics have had editors like 2000AD
>most of the comic GNs are all old series
That is one of the reasons why comics are dead. No one cares about new stories.
There aren't any new stories. All the "new" ones are just slight variations of 'the biggest baddest bad guy EVER is doing a thing and the heroes need to stop them'. It's fricking Dragon Ball shit but with moronic costumes.
There are new stories being made all the time. Like a DC churns out a ton of new GNs every year, but the top sellers are still stuff like Watchmen, Killing Joke, Batman Year One, and so on.
>There are new stories being made all the time.
No there aren't. Again, it's all the exact same plot, but the solicits tell you it's supposed to be different than the last bowl of capeslop you were forced to eat.
But have you noticed everyone is brown now? Brown with nine fricking veganas? Huh?? Y'haven't seen that before, frickbag! NINE BROWN veganaS. two can talk
>one shelf of comics
>five shelves of manga
>bookstore
You go to a comic book shop to buy comics, bookstores ony stock the most mainstream well known graphic novels. I wouldn't read 90% of that manga slop, only One Piece and Berserk are good
>only One Piece and Berserk are good
Yeah except all the comic book stores around me closed down
Manga shills recoil when you tell them to check out creator owned comics, it's the weirdest thing
hey OP you want some cheese with that whine?
>the comics and cartoons board is actively apathetic to the dire state of comics
Pathetic.
You're part of the problem, OP
you're a dumb c**t scigay
>arguing dishonestly 101: never take a stance so you never have to defend a point or make an argument, just endlessly attack whatever the other guy is saying. If you can't come up with a counterargument, just repeat what they said but say it in a dumb sounding voice.
It's genuinely sad how far in denial you are about the frickin' state of comics, and especially the big two.
more tears please
Hey, it works though. Look at politics now.
Reminder that sci-figay only reads Marvel and DC and just rejects reading anything outside of the two because "they don't matter".
The absolute state of this conSOOMER is beyond me.
>"they don't matter".
They don't. Again, indieshit lacks ANY kind of filter. Ironic how a board that constantly whines about MUH POLITICS so ardently defends political manifestos.
So how are you enjoying your woke capes?
>righclops chump
well of course YOU accept it, cyclops gets batman levels of plot armor
I don't like capeshit at all, and that's a big reason it's so frustrating that other genres functionally don't exist in mainline comics.
>other genres don't exist
yess, time for anons to give me shit to read
Eight Billion Genies is the current big indie high concept darling that Amazon paid a lot of money to get the rights for https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/amazon-eight-billion-genies-comic-1235173415/
>yet more shitty adaptations
Comics are IP farms now. Nothing more. Disgusting.
How is this different from all those manga and light novels that get turned into anime?
Those works get adapted because people give a shit about them in the first place. They were already popular.
Still not seeing your fricking point. None of these charts mean a single goddamned thing. Right now, as in today, a western comic is lucky to sell 20,000 copies. AT BEST. That is nothing. This market is utterly fricked.
Cool thread, moron
>*shits all over the floor*
>make dishonest claim
>get mad when proven vrong
>COMICS ARE DE-ACK
Shut the frick up, nerd.
>posts irrelevant chart
The frick point are you even trying to make?
>dishonest
Comics being dead is an objective fact.
>chart is irrelevant because it doesn't support my narrative
keep crying, pussy.
Chart is irrelevant because it contains no relevant information. Again, what fricking point were you trying to make?
>uh it's just not relevant because I say so, okay??
>WAAAAAH WAAAAAH WHERE DA PROOFS?!??!?!
https://www.comicsbeat.com/looking-at-npd-bookscan-2021-and-its-a-doozy/
Sit down.
Floppies are an artifact that only exists to keep comic shops open, is a terrible and expensive product that keeps away new readers. 4 minutes if entertainment for $5 is what you pay for a concert of a medium to big sized band, not something you need to spend monthly
Marvel and DC both have digital subscription plans. If a new reader doesn't give a damn about discussing it online like most comic readers, the delay when it comes to getting new comics is fine.
Digital is and will always be garbage because piracy of objectively superior. That doesn't mean floppies aren't garbage too.
>That doesn't mean floppies aren't garbage too.
Floppies are a scam. Making people pay for a piece of a story instead of a full story is another big reason comics are fricking dead.
I hate floppies for being over priced, and because If I want to put them on a shelve, you cant so how am I suppose to store them? in a shoe box?
I mean, that too. 3-5 bucks for a piece of a story is the kind of crime that should be punished via crowbar.
Also, why do you want to put garbage on your shelf?
>Ultraman ripoff
Toei is going to literally murder whoever made this.
>Toei doing shit
They don't own Ultraman, dumbass
And even if they did, they're still hiring people to write and draw what amounts to Power Rangers and Kamen Rider fanfics for braindead westerners, they don't give a frick
>calls Kamen Rider comics brainless
>tries to shill them anyway
You're pathetic.
Pot calling the kettle autistic, I see
>shill has no response other than "no u"
Again, pathetic. Now are you gonna talk about the state of the industry or are you gonna keep desperately trying to get me to read your trashrags that nobody cares about?
Dude, the state of the comic book industry is fine. Cape comics are absolutely getting shafted by decades of short-sighted decisions and bad writing, for certain. Marvel and DC's comics divisions are very much in for a rude awakening soon. But the medium of comic books as a whole? It's fine. Can you guess why? It's cause cape comics aren't the entirety of the industry. They're just one genre in an increasing ocean of them. Put them in a direct competition with fantasy, romance, slice of life bullshit, children's graphic novels, manga, manhwa, and just about any comic printed out by someone daring to call themselves "indie", and it becomes apparent the only people who think the industry is dying is because they refuse to consider that it's only one increasingly irrelevant part that's not doing so hot. That's the reason nobody wants to talk about the state of the industry in this stupid thread, because you're being a moron trying to pick and choose what does and doesn't count as part of the industry. Either it all counts or none of it counts, you whiny little homosexual. Pic related is the face of the industry as it were, so you can either rejoice cape comics are finally fricking dead like you wanted, or keep crying into your tendies about how comic books are ruined forever and ever.
>But the medium of comic books as a whole? It's fine.
NO IT ISN'T. There's NO genre diversity whatsoever. I have look high and low, and this shit is a fricking wasteland. The fact the best you could come up with is some literally who book by the Captain Underpants guy says it all. Comics are fricked.
Congratulations for proving precisely my point that the people crying hardest about how comic books are 'dying' are the people who are the most resistant to considering anything outside their bubble to exist. i.e. people like you
Cope harder, capegay
>"Just broaden your horizons, bro!"
>this invariably translates to indie trash
Frick you, and frick the future mall shooters you worship.
I know. It's fricking pathetic.
wait, Robert Crumb is trash to you? ZAP used to sell 500.000 copies per issue.
If you think ALL indie is trash and capeshit is dying, why are you even here? Ah, I get it you just wanna troll.
Yes, ALL indie is trash. And I've already explained why. There is no editorial guidance, nobody tell the writer no, no filter whatsoever. It's the creator's psychotic thoughts on the page. I, and most other people, do not want to read the mad ramblings of some freak who scribbles their insane bullshit on paper.
>why are you even here?
... To talk about comics and cartoons. That's a stupid question.
but you dont like any of them.
in fact, that's exactly what I'm looking for, the mad scribbling of a psychotic freak's thoughts put on paper without any editorial guidance. it's amusing as hell. but your comment shows more about you than you realize. maybe YOU are one of those psychotic freaks too and you are scared of your own thoughts.
>again, the shill's only response is "no u"
have a nice day. Why the hell is it so hard to have a discussion about how comics are a dying medium? It's like everyone's in denial for some reason.
so they are. but there is still TONS of good comics to be found and to be read. And it's obvious you're a stupid American. You disregard European comics, and American undergrounds and American indie comics. And those are filled with gems.
off the top of my head: Jean moebius Giraud. Phillipe Druillet. RObert Crumb. Hugo Pratt. Richard Corben. Igor Baranko. Derib. Jean Forest. FRED(just put his 1st Philemon book on getco). Alan Moore's Maxwell the Magic Cat.
But you disregard ALL OF THEM. Well, there is NO hope for you.
>but there is still TONS of good comics to be found and to be read.
No there fricking aren't. I have looked. There's not a single fricking thing out there worth reading. It's obvious you're a brainwashed shill who will happily gobble up any old slop.
>now it has the gall to shill euroshit at me
Oh absolutely commit suicide.
>Archie
I have standards. Frick you.
>Standards
>Admits he only reads the Big Two and nothing else
Laugh Out Loud
I don't read big two shit either, moron. Like I said, standards.
So are we gonna actually discuss the state of the industry, or are you just going to continue being butthurt that nobody wants to be shilled at?
Nah. Not until you actually start talking about comics instead of just whining about capeshit, you redditor
I am talking about comics, moron. I'm talking about how there's no genre variety.
>there's no genre variety because I say so!
There's no genre variety because reality says so. That and the CCA.
>Muh CCA
Cope
Most of the time, people who trash superheroes regularly either don't really contribute much to comics or don't actually read anything outside of superhero comics. You know this to be true
>don't actually read anything outside of superhero comics
There isn't anything outside of superhero comics in the first place.
Like it or not, that's the long and short of it. The reason capes pushed out every other genre is because of that fricking code.
>I COULD NOT, WOULD NOT, READ UK!
>I WILL NOT, SHALL NOT, READ EURO BOOKS! NO WAY!
>I WILL NOT READ IT IF IT'S FROM JAPAN.
>NOR FROM KOREA. NOR FROM IRAN.
>I DON'T READ WEABOOKS! JUST LET ME BE!
>I DO NOT LIKE YOUR SCIENCE FICTION.
>I DO NOT LIKE YOUR FANTASY ADDICTION.
>I WILL NOT READ YOUR INDIE SHIT.
>I DO NOT LIKE GRAPHIC NOVELS, THAT'S IT!
>I DO NOT LIKE MARVEL NOR DC
>I NEVER LIKED COMIC BOOKS AT ALL, YOU SEE!
>I DO NOT LIKE COMICS, I NEVER WILL!
>I DO NOT LIKE THEM, Cinemaphile, YOU SHILL.
>Why don't you just read older comics then?
>Frick you, industry's dead forever
Not the greentexter but isn't a big problem with comics that everyone is buying old issues and refusing to buy the latest ongoing ones?
>and now the moronic shill thinks itself a comedian
Cinemaphile really will go to any lengths to avoid actually talking about comics.
looks like he hit your nerves again
Eh. Everyone is offended by bad comedy.
The new stuff is hot wet trash that isn't even worth knowing about, much less purchase.
Until you can actually do something like posit what capeshit creators could do to turn things around, how to make comics more affordable/appealing to the average consumer, posit what genre should comic writers go in on if the current market is dying...maybe.
But if all you can do is go "wahhh wahhh capeshit is dying", all you're doing is just shitting your pants with indignity whenever you have to put in the bare minimum besides complain. Baby.
For [cape comics], that is indeed an issue. But it's not always an outright refusal. Marvel and DC until recently absolutely sucked at actually getting the word out on which of their books are being sold or not. It took a disgusting amount of time for Marvel and DC to think up using Twitter to remind their potential market about books that were to come out soon.
>posit what capeshit creators could do to turn things around
Stop making capeshit comics altogether.
No capes outsell everything because people buy them. people like capeshit. Nobody is forcing them to read capeshit they just buy it because its what they enjoy reading.
Ultimately most capeshit stories are fine. I've only read a few but they seem decent enough even if the reading order is a little confusing. Its only the new woke ones (that fans hate) that really suck. If you don't want to read capeshit theirs plenty of sci-fi and fantasy stuff.
Cause your choice in comics are garbage, considering for all your obsession over how cape comics are shite, you can't even pick up an Archie digest at the grocery store and go crawling back to your spandex wearing masters every time
as another anon already pointed out, one of comics biggest problems is that they are just too expensive as compared to other forms of entertainment. and they are simply not selling in big enough numbers. even Zoe Thorgood's "bestseller" "It's lonely at the hearth of the Earth" sold only 18,000 copies. That's nothing. today a comic is a hit if it sells 15,000 copies.
Is this Guy but for comic books? Who does he idolizes, Millar?
OP is just the guy who used to post as Loudness Lad/Roasted Bread being unfunny again
The fact that you've never heard of something doesn't make it not worth reading.
And here's where you start trying to shill your rightfully obscure trashrags that nobody asked for nor cares about.
>people like capeshit
No they fricking don't. If there was any alternative, people would be buying that instead.
>Ultimately most capeshit stories are fine.
Capeshit stories are inherently trash.
Again, until you have anything useful to say beyond whining about cape comics and refusing to read anything that isn't one, you'd accomplish more shutting your fricking gob
If he is, I pity his parents who have to put up with this shit from him. Imagine living with a fat frick who complains about mcdonalds all day but refuses to eat anything that's not greasy as frick
I'm not reading any of your indieshit, shill. I knwo that's what you want me to say. You want me to ask. And I'm not doing that. You are actively refusing to discuss the dire state of the industry because you are butthurt that I will not accept any of your shitty recs. Cry the frick more and go shove that garbage in someone else's face.
How do you know his indieshit is shit if you've never read it?
NTA, but are you autistic? Why are you hyperfixated on "indieshit"? You say you want to talk about the state of the industry yet seem to disregard 90% of it since it's not DC or Marvel. What are your solutions for fixing it? Just saying "have more variety" like you've been repeating isn't a real solution as variety does exist in the 90% of the industry you wish to disregard for some inane reason. Do you only want your comics to come from DC and Marvel? Why do you read the big capeshit brands and then get mad that all you're reading is capeshit?
>"have more variety"
That IS the solution. Well, that and fire everyone at every major publisher and replace them with people who a) have actual creative ideas, and b) actually know how to sell a fricking product. None of these fricks know how to do their damn jobs.
>Either come up with an ACTUAL talking point to foster discussion, like what a proper business model from the failing current on would be, or an alternative to cape comics that should be promoted to boost the health of the comics industry,
I have done that many times, and you tards always instantly dismiss it. Like taking existing cape characters and shifting them into different genres. Tards are too attached to those fricktarded costumes and ree hard at this notion.
>just endlessly attack whatever the other guy is saying.
>If you can't come up with a counterargument, just repeat what they said but say it in a dumb sounding voice.
See? I presented some ideas, just like you allegedly wanted, and you went out of your way to ignore them. have a nice day, shill.
>That does not explain how you know indie comics are garbage if you've never read any indie comics.
I've explained at least twice that indie comics don't have filters of any kind, and are thus shit by default.
So if it has filters and editors it isn't an indie comic?
>presented ideas
here's a company taking one of their characters & shifting them into a different genre
>ONE example
Okay, jackass, where's my Wonder Woman pulp adventure serial? Oh what's that? DC is still under the delusion that Diana is a traditional superhero? WELP.
>Gets superpowers because she's related greek gods
that's as traditional of a superhero as you can get
>Greek gods
>having frick all to do with superheroes
Mythological "heroes" are infamously much different from the modern concept of a hero. Also, frick the Olympians. Frick them and frick how they are constantly shitting up the IP. One of the few good things the movies did was have Ares kill the frickers off in the backstory so we don't have to put with their shit in at least one universe.
What did I FRICKING say? Shove your licensed slop back up your ass.
But I'm not shilling indie shit
wew
>Like taking existing cape characters and shifting them into different genres
So you're solution to killing capeshit is making more capeshit instead of reading and supporting other books, publishers, creatives, etc. who aren't DC/Marvel. Amazing.
So your*
>taking existing cape characters and shifting them into different genres
...So, what the big two and the indie crowd has been doing the past few decades at this point.
That's your big bold plan.
Good golly, I thought you were moronic before, but to be this willingly blind is incredible. Either actually immerse yourself in comic books at some point in your life, or just stop shitting up this thread.
>OGNs that get no advertisement
Oh yeah, you really got me there, with this comic I've never heard of because DC didn't tell me it existed.
And here's where you start trying to shill Image and Dark Horse crap. I fricking see you, butthole.
>because DC didn't tell me it existed
No no no, you don't get to pull that move. I specifically went to that one BECAUSE DC went out of its way to advertise its movie adaptation and how it's an adaptation of a comic book from their library. At this point, it's entirely on you for not looking for an alternative to the swill that you claim to choke down, when DC outright hands it to you on a silver fricking platter and you still turn your nose up at it. Your misery with the comics industry is self-inflicted, you self-righteous prick, and you can't pretend otherwise now.
>movie adaptation
I didn't even know that was an adaptation, because DC advertised it as a movie. Because even comics companies don't give a shit about comics.
Also
>"It's YOUR fault there's literally nothing good to read!"
have a nice day. I'm not reading indieshit, and I'm not reading euroshit. I will not throw away basic standards just because you're butthurt that I don't want your shitty recs.
you don't have to because there is a wealth of non big two non indieshit comics like those published by Dark Horse.
Sorry dude, but again, you're clearly proven not the comic book companies that are at fault for not providing you what you're looking for. It's yours for ignoring every sign that what you're looking for exists out there, and spitting on every person's attempts to direct you to it. You're at best a troll, and at worst a whiner who is looking for an excuse to be mad at everyone else for the fact your standards and tastes are shit. So in conclusion, actually look for what you claim you want, or eat a bag of dicks.
I HAVE looked. And I haven't been able to find a damn thing. Frick this industry for being so inaccessible and full of worthless garbage.
How the frick can you even stand to think about the fact Dark Horse exists? Even the name makes me want to punch someone in the face for the sheer pretentiousness. Ironic given the only thing they seem to do is licensed shit and minor creator owned stuff. And they have the balls to call themselves a 'dark horse'. Frick off.
>I HAVE looked. And I haven't been able to find a damn thing
this thread is proof your brain doesn't work properly
might wanna get those eyes checked as well
My eyes glaze the frick over when I see pretentious garbage like that thing you just posted. I don't feel like objecting myself to some 2deep4u tryhard crap.
See, this is why you NEVER tell anyone about things you like on Cinemaphile. It invariably results in frickers using it against you.
you haven't named any titles you liked
>inb4 daisy kutter
Nobody's fault for the fact you can't find it, nobody's fault that any attempts to spoonfeed you cause you to have an autistic meltdown. It's all you, OP.
>any attempts to spoonfeed you cause you to have an autistic meltdown
1) Didn't ask.
2) Recs are literally against the rules.
Yeah, because it's Cinemaphile, and I fricking know better.
Oh, so you agree that nobody's required to hand you what you're demanding on a silver platter. So how is it the comic book industry's fault that you're too fricking stupid to find these genre lifts that they shit out year after year and you so desperately want, yet the tumor in your brain renders you unable to somehow find them?
>"How is it the company's fault for not doing basic advertisement?"
... Bruh.
Watch this stupid frick cite Watchmen, as if it didn't beat you over the head with its message.
>"How was I supposed to know that lurking comic book forums or use google to find out information was a thing?"
Seriously. It is beyond fricking easy if you actually try. Even Cinemaphile gossips about this shit all the time, people outright will storytime threads on books people otherwise wouldn't give a shit about. For free. Like less than two years ago, there was an Amazing Fantasy book storytimed here that was basically if you gave a bunch of Marvel capes the John Carter of Mars treatment. You live in the digital age, judging by how you're posting on this imageboard. You have the fricking tools already to get what you say you want. Fricking use them sometime, you moron, cause I legitimately have no sympathy for your shallow complaints on the industry by now.
That is not how it's supposed to work, moron. You are supposed to find information yourself, without help. Seriously, how fricking old are you? Fricking kids need to get off Cinemaphile.
I'm glad we both agree then that you literally had ZERO excuses to be as ignorant of the scope of Marvel and DC's library of fiction beyond their cape comics as you've claimed to be this entire thread and that it's a problem you need to correct before even thinking that you have the right to complain about the state of the comics industry. Finally, we're making proper progress here.
I have looked. There's literally NOTHING good to read. I don't know what to tell you.
describe to the class how you look for titles
Google it, and see nothing that looks even remotely interesting.
You could probably start by admitting that's more of a you problem than anything that's the comic industry's fault or this board's, man. Nothing wrong with not liking the selection if it's genuinely not your bag, but if others are finding books in this ocean of piss they like, you can at least cop to the fact that these books aren't to YOUR tastes instead of trying to pretend it's everyone else who has the wrong view.
>others are finding books in this ocean of piss they like
That's because you have no standards whatsoever. I would actually like something GOOD to read. And since there isn't anything good to read, yes, it is the industry's fault for not providing any quality products. Not my fault these "people" suck so bad at their jobs.
>only has stale ass memes as a response
No seriously, why the frick should anyone settle for a sub-par story? Your corporate brainwashing is showing.
Cause you're so whipped by the big two and your own laziness that you only deserve stale memes, fricko
>laziness
>"Just pull nonexistent comics out of your ass bro!"
have a nice day.
but you don't like recs homosexual
>"Let me shill!"
Recs are literally against the rules. Go frick yourself.
Why do you care?
Hey, just saying
>Hates Burgerland comics
>Refuses to read anything from another country, sticks solely to Burgerland comics
>Hates DC and Marvel comics
>Refuses to read anything made by another company that's not DC or Marvel because his peabrain labels it all "indieshit"
>Hates being spoonfed
>Cries over how he never hears about books he wants coming from industry
>Hates how nobody in the comics industry caters to him and his hyper-specific needs
>Shits himself when anon asks what he even wants
>Hates capeshit
>Wants capeshit characters put into other mediums, refuses to read them when he finds out about them anyways
>Hates how everyone treats capeshit as the only genre that sells in comic book industry or is worth talking about
>Violently pisses himself when reminded of other genres that sell well in comic book industry, refuses to talk about anything other than capeshit
>Hates modern day comic books and cartoons
>Keeps posting while refusing to talk about the shit he likes, just the shit he doesn't
>Complains for years how the industry is due to die any minute now
>Tells people who disagree to kill themselves
You're the only one who should consider offing themselves, cause you sound beyond miserable with how much self-inflicted misery you invite for yourself on this
>"Just stop having standards, bro!"
Go to hell.
Your :"standards" contradict themselves numerous times. You're the one in the hell of your own making here.
>Your :"standards" contradict themselves numerous times.
No they don't, you're just an illiterate moron. I just want some good non-cape American comic books put out by a real publisher. Why the hell is that so much to ask for?
>Why the hell is that so much to ask for?
Given how you have a fricking meltdown about board rules whenever someone actually ATTEMPTS to tell you about good non-cape American comic books put out by Marvel or DC, much less a publisher of actual quality comics...apparently, it IS a lot to ask for from you, you lying contradictory mongoloid.
RECS. ARE. AGAINST. THE. RULES. How the frick do you stupid c**ts not understand this. Lurk Moar is not just a site culture thing, it's literally baked into the site itself. You are literally not allowed to shill shit at me, you dumb piece of shit. So stop fricking doing that. Goddamn.
Yet again, anon, this is 100% a you problem. The irony is that you evidently don't lurk moar yourself, considering you are so willfully ignorant of anything outside your ultra-specific narrow definition of reading material. Go ahead, spam the word "standards" all you want, everyone sees it for what it is. An excuse to bleat about how you don't enjoy reading comic books while doing nothing to actually solve your own problem, while crying and sobbing when some ignorant soul sees your self-pity fest and actually offers some kind of help. Nobody's shilling shit at you. They're throwing titles at you to get you to shut your fricking gob and READ something instead of whining more in your life. So no, it's not going to stop, not until you actually agree to fricking read something for once and leave.
Why is it so hard for you to get that I want to discuss the state of the industry? You are apparently LITERALLY incapable of having a conversation without shoving garbage in peoples' faces.
now we pivot back to the original topic because he's run out of shit to spew about capes/genres
Well what the frick do you want? You refuse to actually have a discussion about the lack of genre diversity until I let you shill shit at me, which is not going to happen. So I guess go frick yourself.
It's both. Keep it to yourself, fricker.
schizo moment
What discussion? Everything you said should be happening in the industry *is* happening in the industry. Multiple anons have provided examples of such and yet all you've done is retreat behind "indieshit", "shill", and "muh site rules". If you're being genuine here, what exactly are you hoping to discuss or are you just here to whine while wallowing in your willful ignorance?
People have already pointed out the state of the industry several times; The comic industry is fine, it's DC and Marvel that are fricked. End of story. You're the one insistent that the only things you think are counted as "comics" are big two capeshit, despite how much you claim you want non-capeshit comics from a publisher that's not the big two. And even then, when people give examples in this thread OF the big two barfing out non-capeshit stories, you ignore it to rail against examples of non-capeshit from a modern publisher that aren't DC or Marvel because they actually refute your pathetic viewpoints.
Don't fricking lie. You don't want a discussion. You want a community blowjob. So frick you. Blow yourself if you want one that bad.
>The comic industry is fine
Then why the frick does nobody actually give a shit about comic books? You lying, delusional sack of crap. People ONLY ever care about the adaptations. Nobody has read Invincible, but everyone has watched it. Again, 20,000, at absolute best. You're a fricking moron.
Because comics are a niche and been a niche since the late 1970's, only to have some mainstream spotlight in the early 90's only to become a niche again, books already a niche and comics are an even bigger niche of books.
tldr you're stupid.
They shouldn't be a fricking niche when they're the source of so many well known IPs. How the frick did that even happen? Oh right, because publishers suck swamp ass at their fricking jobs, and cannot sell a comic book to ave their lives.
People don't like reading anon.
?
Because as pointed out numerous times, when considering sales figures, comic books =/= capeshit. And no matter how much you try to whine otherwise, that's the reality of the situation.
And considering you started the thread with "comics" instead of "Marvel" or "DC", you only have yourself to blame, you ignorant pozzed frick.
Capes overwhelmingly dominate the medium. They are functionally the only game in town. You are insane for trying to deny this.
>conveniently leaves out the actual sales numbers
Uh huh. Fricking coward.
And you are insane for sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming how you can't hear the gigantic portion of the market that doesn't have stories of caped heroes, tardo.
>"You don't want to read trash? Here, read this trash instead!"
You know what's fricked? I did used to try and ask around for some stuff to read. You know what happened? I got told to lurk the frick moar. You indieshills are a bunch of fricking hypocrites. Go die in a fire.
>Sells gay.
Do you not watch movies unless they make a certain box office number or listen to songs unless they hit a number views on Youtube?
Frick your made up rules homosexual.
I wonder what the cope will be
The frick did I just say about recs being against the site rules? Illiterate morons, all of you. And even then, I didn't fricking ask. I especially didn't ask for your overrated trash that I'm now going to avoid reading out of spite. Frick you.
you will never be a janny
Anon where were you the past 27 years?
>comics for people afraid to read comica
Thanks for proving my point
>just endlessly attack whatever the other guy is saying.
>If you can't come up with a counterargument, just repeat what they said but say it in a dumb sounding voice.
>comics for people afraid to read comica
they're still comics and most started out as mainstream DC books....
>comica?
Vertigo lasted for 2 decades and had critical aclaimed titles.
>I just want some good non-cape American comic books put out by a real publisher
>I didn't fricking ask
so which is it
JUST DIE!
>And here's where you start trying to shill Image and Dark Horse crap. I fricking see you, butthole.
What do you mean? I just asked a question to understand what your definition of indie comics was exactly.
No, you're the moron who doesn't want to actually discuss anything. Spamming "X is shit" is not a discussion point, it's spamming your moron opinion. Either come up with an ACTUAL talking point to foster discussion, like what a proper business model from the failing current on would be, or an alternative to cape comics that should be promoted to boost the health of the comics industry, or continue to seethe about your imaginary issues with sectors of an industry that you simultaneously refuse to acknowledge and yet soil yourself over time and time again.
>And here's where you start trying to shill
What did I shill exactly? I just correctly pointed out that you not hearing of something does not make it not worth reading.
>your rightfully obscure trashrags that nobody asked for nor cares about.
Actually none of the comics I read regularly are all that obscure.
>No they fricking don't. If there was any alternative, people would be buying that instead.
But there are alternatives?
>Capeshit stories are inherently trash.
I don't see how capeshit is bad as long as it tells a fun story that entertains the reader.
>What did I shill exactly?
I can feel you moving your mouse over to your image folders and firing up links in tabs. You were absolutely going to do it before I called you out.
Because it's ALWAYS indieshit. Every single fricking time you morons delusionally insist that the industry is just fine, you're always referring to indie garbage.
>I can feel you moving your mouse over to your image folders and firing up links in tabs. You were absolutely going to do it before I called you out.
Meds you don't know that
>Because it's ALWAYS indieshit. Every single fricking time you morons delusionally insist that the industry is just fine, you're always referring to indie garbage.
That does not explain how you know indie comics are garbage if you've never read any indie comics.
lmao at calling something on the New York Times bestseller list "literally who". What a moron. He probably thinks everything published by Penguin Random House is "indie".
I feel another limitation for capeshit is that is forced to share a universe with all the other IPs.
you cant have conclusions, and power levels and status quo is tie to other stuff.
Hate to bring manga as an example, but imagine if Shonen jump had Dragon ball and one piece and what ever else they have to share the same world. that would limit how the hell they explore it, who dies who lives, and which stories just have a conclusion and let new storeis to become popular.
Exactly. Shared universes were a mistake. All it does it cause inconsistencies and plot holes.
>using Scott Pilgrim as your go to example
have a nice day.
no matter what anyone posts, scigay will dismiss it instantly. It's literally impossible to meet the undefined criteria the schizo wants
The "Big 2" will always be shit. Just write your own comic.
No this thing is
The comics code has been irrelevant for 20 years.
And the only comics that outlasted it are capeshit
If you ignore the massive amount of underground and creator-owned comics that have been published throughout the decades.
>If you ignore the massive amount of mall shooter manifestos and nazi propaganda...
you're so fricking stupid
You're delusional. I genuinely do not understand why you indieshills have your heads so far up your asses about this.
>"No no, ALL comics are shit."
What a bold fricking statement there, Captain Obvious.
>mall shooter manifestos and nazi propaganda
That sounds like Ultimate Marvel to me, capeshitter.
Which is easy to do since no one reads them. Comics have never had the audience they had preCCA and they never will again.
"Comics" when it comes to stuff you now have to pay $4-5 an issue for, sure. Comics you can read online for free have large audiences though.
>Comics you can read online for free have large audiences though
No. They really don't. Not relative to how they were in the 50s and not relative to any other form of media. Hell, manga is more popular than comics these days.
>No. They really don't.
Webcomics.
Which are still niche? There are more webcomics by the asiatics than americans.
Jeph Jacque's incredibly mediocre effort gives him six figures which is more than can be said for anyone who was slumming in the comics world in the golden age.
1. A million bucks today is like $80000 in the 50s
2. We're talking about popularity and influence. Wealth is irrelevant.
3. There are a billion webcomics that won't generate a quarter that much revenue anyway
You think any creator in the golden age got rich off of doing comics?
kys
>mediocre
That's incredibly generous.
Those threads should be banned, by the way. Unequivocally trash.
They MIGHT have a vague chance if they'd stop clinging to the sunk cost of capeshit. Nobody reads cape books, they watch cape book adaptations. The comics themselves sell like absolute shite. Bringing back genres people actually give a damn about could grant some slim hope of the medium getting out of its rut.
>indie books lead to school shooters
your stupidity never ceases to amaze
>manga is more popular than comics
they were irrelevant twenty posts ago
Why? Cause someone posted a chart which was 90% japs and a couple comic strips?
You’re a dumbass
I’ll explain why
In the olden days, there was capeshit and a bunch of other stuff
More romance than capeshit
Lots of horror
True crime
Slice of life comics of kids fricking around
Like Archie
But capeshit
Became the most popular
Everybody
Loves
Capeshit
But western comics started to get worse
And manga became more popular
But which manga?
Not the k-ons
Not the romance
Manga like
Bleach
Naruto
Dragon Ball
Sailor Moon
Demon Slayer
One Punch Man
My Hero Academia
You know what we’d call that
If it came out in the west
Capeshit
When US capeshit goes bad
Japanese capeshit reigns supreme
But capeshit will always be the best
I want a comic where Superman fricks Madoka and Batman fricks Homura so fricking bad it’s unbelievable how badly I want it I don’t care if it’s a comic or a manga US or Japanese or some third country please somebody make a hentai comic where Superman fricks Madoka and Batman fricks Homura please please please
shonen isn't capeshit but it is very close. Series like hunter x hunter and one piece are in many ways more interesting than capeshit because the writer has some kind of story planned out even if they do suffer from the author losing interest over time but others like DBZ just make stuff up on the fly.
Seek help.
This. It's not necessarily capeshit that is bad. It's the state of capeshit in MARVEL and DC atm. They are not making new stories. Just ip rehashes to the point of turning the appeal of the IP into generic mush.
Reminder that this is the babyman who shits his diapers whenever someone tells him to read something better than capeshit if he hates it so much, and probably tries to deny with all his heart that Marvel's already been trying desperately to branch out to other comics that aren't just weirdos in spandex for decades
There isn't anything other than capeshit. This genre has fricking ruined the entire medium. It's like other kinds of stories aren't allowed to exist.
>Star Wars
have a nice day, Disneyshill.
No thanks, if I did I wouldn't be able to read Ultramega anymore. You feel free to though, scifi schizo.
in 1990, Spiderman 1 by Toddy McFarshjitty sold a solid 1 or 2 million copies. i forgot. Savage Dragon used to sell 250,000+ copies. Guess what it sells now? Pathetic 5000 copies.
I'm curious. How are the noncapeshit comics doing? Tintin, Beano, Asterix, Scrooge McDuck, Peanuts?
Nobody cares about your boring, pretentious, self-indulget indie comics you homo.
>It's bad enough that it's impossible to actually start reading the damn things,
correct that is annoying
>but there's also literally nothing else to read besides "stories"
Fake and gay. Judge dredd isn't about super heroes and its been running since the 70s.
>about stupidly dressed vigilantes who fight each other instead of crime.
How are supervillains not crime?
Will you shut the frick up?
Capeshit is pretty stupid since superheroes are just police with superpowers
do you think scifigay is like this IRL as well?
Yeah because with only the other genres the industry would be booming.
The only problem I have with capeshit is often indie writers will leave whatever they were doing to work for the big 2 because its where the money is at
what comics, cape or indie, have you lads read recently?
For me, for the indie stuff, I read a pretty funny Swedish comic called Spa that's like a mix of horror or satire. Probably more funny if you're a Northener, but it had some nice visuals.
For capecomics, I've been following Gold Goblin (which just ended) and Red Goblin. I loved the first one, second has elements that annoy me, but I'll give it a chance to grow. As for TPBs, I read Slott's Spider-Man: Learning to Crawl and was shocked that it wasn't bad. He honestly should just stick to writing miniseries and stay away from anything longer, his hack genes want to ruin everything.
got a link to space punisher, that was alright
started rereading All New X-Factor, might read jaime & layla miller adventures after
World's Finest is just not capturing me - might be a skill issue there
Will somebody order a hitman to kill Sci-Fi gay?
OP the good news is that there is a wide Varity of non-big two non-indieshit you can read like heavy metal magazine, 2000AD and Dark horse. And they have editors so it isn't just the writers political manifesto and shit stories rarely get published.
>obligatory east vs west tard thread
this is a schizo meltdown tho
It's funny that your supposed balm for what ails the industry would probably be another nail in the coffin for DC and Marvel comics. The last few dregs of comic readers do NOT want to read a romantic comedy involving Wolverine, a space opera with Batman, or whatever mismatch of genre you can think of. Those who do are probably in the minority like yourself. Most want their comfort food of watching the good guys beat bad guys with a decent narrative facilitating it. Simple as.
>It's funny that your supposed balm for what ails the industry would probably be another nail in the coffin for DC and Marvel comics
Yes, and it would be soooooo terrible if the big two albatrosses fricked off forever.
>Most want their comfort food of watching the good guys beat bad guys with a decent narrative facilitating it.
Which they're not even getting because superheroes spend more time fighting each than crime these days.
>soooooo terrible if the big two albatrosses fricked off forever.
Quite ironic when the entire thread consists of you refusing read anything other than that
>Which they're not even getting because superheroes spend more time fighting each than crime these days.
Yes which is why they're failing along with the terrible extremely overt political tinge on ever story. Not sure why you'd think making these murder mystery stories or whatever would help instead of further sinking the ship.
>being the kind of moron who whines about political themes in stories about vigilantes
This is yet another reason comics are fricking dead. Stories aren't allowed to actually be about anything because idiots like you scream and cry and piss yourselves when a work of fiction dares have something to say.
>Stories aren't allowed to actually be about anything because idiots like you scream and cry and piss yourselves when a work of fiction dares have something to say
There's a difference between creating a story with social and political commentary that leaves room for further discussions or reflection and the political soapboxing that happens in today's stories. To assert otherwise is delusional.
>more time fighting each other
that's so weird
I just read the flash family fighting against an alien invasion, seen black adam adam all over a bunch of heroes, several ant-men fight ultron, light & dark wizards merge to defeat their undead foe, etc
Comics aren't dead. Webtoons, Scholastic kids OGNs and Manga sell tons.
The accurate statement would be "DC and Marvel floppies don't sell as much as they did in the past and other comics sell more.
Manga is garbage for teens with blue hair and dumb people, its popularity is only attributed to contrarianism and the perceived idea that it's counter culture to like it because of the days back when it was, even though it hasn't been in forever
This is your idea of a good character? Who every manga character is exactly like? Congratulations, you're about 10 times less mature and intelligent than even superhero fans. You're a perma 15yo brained wanna be edgelord or shack dwelling ghetto rat.
ouroboros
>Capeshit ruined comics
>Most popularly manga and only ones people read is basically capeshit without the costumes and codenames or is just full on capeshit.
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I HATE SELL gayS
I HATE ANTI-ANYTHING AMERICAN gayS
I HATE SHOUNENgayS
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>12 hours
strong schizo energy
This anon is known as Cranky. This meltdown has been going since this JSA Storytime thread last night
wew
This meltdown has been going on for months. Scigay has a very recognizable writing style.
>months
try years
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/118944974#118944974
>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/118944974#118944974
>One of the first posts is an Cinemaphileutist who got lost screeching about spoonfeeding
look at the syntax, it's the same moron screeching three years later
'Read comics' gays never make threads on the board btw
cope
There about 5 threads on the board right now that are about comics but not about capeshit and 3 of those are storytimes
why do you think I told that guy to cope
Oh boo fricking hoo, some anons were mean to you before. Grow some fricking testicles, baby. Anon's not a hivemind, plenty of people will suggest books nowadays if you ask politely or just give opinions on shit they like. It may not be /wsr/ , but the jannies have bigger incels to ban, and nobody cares if you just want an opinion on whether a book is good or not. Frankly, with how immature it is, I think the real reason you got told to lurk the frick moar is because you were acting like a little b***hboi. Meaning they were right to tell you that.
he's probably lying about that shit
I've seen him claim to be here for 17 years
You're probably right, I cannot imagine anyone being that thin-skinned after being on THIS shithole for 17 years
Go make a thread about something you like right now. I'll see on page 10 in about five minutes. Dipshit.
Why the frick would I be lying about that? Fricking have a nice day.
terminally online schizo can't adapt
I'm waiting for your thread. You won't do it because you know you'll have 0 replies. b***h coward.
Already did it ages ago. What, don't believe me? Well, why should I believe you? Unless you're genuinely trying to get me to believe you are such a pathetic loser that you're still rump roasted over the random internet users that bullied you 17 years ago. Is that really what you want the internet to think of you?
>no link
Tick tock, motherfricker.
I'm on your side OP, these guys are literally all talk and they have been for years. If they were not full of shit, then the board would be full of threads about non-capeshit because they would sell and therefore be able to interest people in talking about them
Nah, I think I'd rather wait for your thread, OP. The one that isn't full of serial denial that his taste in comics is garbage. Don't worry, I'll be patient.
Coward. have a nice day.
the ironing is sooo delicious, I wish I had that screencap of you crying about empathy on Cinemaphile(nel)
>muh empathy
Frick empathy. It's goddamn Cinemaphile. Everyone here is a massive c**t. And comic books are still fricking dead because capeshit ruined the medium.
you're the only c**t in this thread though
>Capeshit ruined a medium that still going strong worldwide in print and online and been around for over 100 years.
Anon....you're moronic.
20,000. At best.
have a nice day, condescending prick.
Nah, I'm good. Unless you want to establish what kind of comic there is that supposedly the world is not getting more of so everyone can ridicule you for it, of course.
See, this is what I mean. You can't just have a fricking discussion about anything. Go to hell.
Twenty. Thousand. At best.
SELLS gay SELLS gay SELLS gay SELLS gay. Anon be like I don't listen to music only it got over million views, I can't watch that movie it's low budget.
moron, the point is that nobody actually gives a shit about comics.
Frick do you mean "What's to discuss?"? The stet of the frickin' comics industry and how fricked it is. That is what the topic of this thread is supposed to be, but none of you stupid c**ts want to talk about that because you're so desperate to shill your shitty trashrags.
>nobody actually gives a shit about comics.
Everyone here but you loves comics.
you ignore other anon's explanations as to why comics are thriving so what's the point?l
Comics aren't thriving, and they never have. You indieshills are fricking delusional.
The comics industry IS fricked. You cannot challenge an objective fact. I feel like I'm in a busted holodeck. What the frick is wrong with all of you?
Comics will still be around while your fricking dead anon, think about that.
And they will continue to be culturally irrelevant. Feel free to have a point.
>culturally irrelevant
More culture relevance than you'll ever have and not like it matters, shitty pop artists music are culturally relevant, you're point? Nicki Minaj is more important than comics in popular culture because she is more popular, you're an idiot because this what you're basically getting at.
schizo moment
See, this is not how you have a discussion, OP. Making an assertion from a self-admitted skewed perspective and insulting people who disagree otherwise, either in terms of whether they feel the industry isn't filled with works that are bad OR objective sales evidence that the comic industry isn't nearly as in the toilet as you think it is, is kind of like the opposite of a discussion. So really, unless you have a better talking point that isn't just "wahhh I'm right", it's easier to just make fun of you for being a twat.
Thing is, I AM right. It doesn't matter how much you love your obscure books only you care about, nobody else even knows they exist. The general public still sees comics as a sad, shameful thing to be laughed at and shunned. This industry is an IP farm, where creativity is actively discouraged because it needs to be safe and marketable for when Hollywood comes around to pluck some crops.
delusional
That's not how discussions work, moron. You go into a discussion to consider other viewpoints and evidence that don't necessarily agree with your own, maybe even adjust or change your viewpoint in turn. If you've already come to the conclusion that you're right on something and explicitly refuse to consider anything that states otherwise, then that's not a discussion. That's a jackass standing around in the middle of a forum demanding someone give him a hand job for having an opinion. A jackass that probably hasn't washed himself for days, at that.
So one more time. What's there to discuss?
Yeah, but see, that's the thing, A lot of people HAVE tried to discuss it, via challenging the blind assertion that the comics industry is fricked. But considering that you've basically refused to hear anyone out with opinions or evidence that goes against your thesis...that means the conversation's pretty much over by your own hands. So, here we are. What else is there to discuss?
Not unless you fill it with variants on "have a nice day", he's definitely got a very one track vocabulary,
What's to discuss? The only things you've been saying this whole thread are "have a nice day", "RULES", and "Twenty thousand". You're lower than a spambot.
I'd suggest a bingo but I doubt scigay has that many talking points
>Worldwide....print and online.....anon....you're moronic.
After you. And while you're setting that up, I'll be busy reading my good non-capeshit comic book in the meantime.
Nobody actually gives a shit about The Goon. Forced meme garbage.
Says the c**t who refuses to have a fricking conversation unless they're allowed to shill their indie trashrags.
Oh, I'd like to happy you suggest something be-
Oh, right, but you can't, can you? Cause you don't fricking read comics anymore. Cause they're all supposedly garbage. Just like your tastes, right?
>schizo replying to himself now
woah what a twist
Jesus fricking Christ, Cinemaphile.
OP is baiting with dynamite and you're falling for it.
Like it fricking matters? He's been at it FOR YEARS and the mods do LITERALLY nothing. Of course he'll get bites eventually.
>Capeshit is the Reason Comics are fricking de...
>"Comics are thriv-ACK!"
>What's there to discuss?
That capeshit and the lack of genre variety are to blame.
moron
Not seeing your point. One of the big name publishers is slowly but surely going under.
>this level of willful ignorance
you're such a stupid homosexual
>doesn't actually have a point
>wants to say NUH HUH anyway
Pathetic. Comics are fricking dead, and none of you are willing to admit it.
Again, that's where you're objectively wrong. Asterix & Obelix and Lucky Luke sell like fricking hot cakes in France, and they're historical comedy and western in turn. Diabolik is renowned in Italy, and it's a pulp crime noir. Dogman is dominating the kid's market as a comedy. BRZRKR #1 sold over 650,000 floppies in its debut two years ago, it's a sci-fi comic written by Keanu Reeves. Magazines like 2000 AD are still selling pretty well inspite of how old it is. And all this is if you willingly exclude the young adult comic books, the kid's graphic novels market, the feely touchy genres like romance and slice of life, and the entirety of the manga and manwha markets which practically swallowed up everything that wasn't Dogman.
So, yeah. If you stick SOLELY to the market involving Marvel and DC, then yes, I can see how you'd come to the conclusion there's a lack of variety and popularity. But if you're not a fricking tard and can consider that other countries outside of the United States of America, then you'd be able to fricking acknowledge that the vast majority of best sellers AREN'T fricking cape comics, you absolute. Fricking. moron.
I could nitpick on and on, pointing out comics that aren't stuck in the morass of Marvel or DC that are actually doing fine, but I think I've said enough. At this point, you're essentially too fricking stubborn to admit that you've artificially narrowed your argument to a specific unpleasable standard so that you can win an imaginary shitflinging contest. And nobody here is stupid enough to fall for your idiocy. So there's nothing to discuss here. So go fellate yourself. For real, this time.
>euroshit
You seriously need to frick off with your tryhard arthouse bullshit. Also, when the frick did Keanu Reeves write a comic? I swear, there has to be some kind of law that prevents comic books from advertising.
Because people shoving garbage you didn't ask for in your face all the time is annoying as frick.
Thanks for conceding the argument. It must have hurt you a lot to admit you've got nothing else to say or add to this discussion.
NINE BROWN veganaS. ALL FIGHTING CRIME. 2 TALK BUT ONE IS BLIND
But honestly, thinking about israelites in a sexual way is revolting.
IT'S THE GOLDEN c**t WITH HER NINE BROWN veganaS. AND DID YOU- DID YOU THINK HER ONE BLIND vegana WOULD HOLD HER BACK, YOU FRICKING RACIST?!! HUH? HUH?!! FRICK YOU, IT DOESN'T. IT ACTUALLY USES ECHOLOCATION TO COMPENSATE FOR BEING BLIND. SO FRICK YOU
>"Y-you didn't let me shill, so you lose!"
Pathetic. Euroshit is just as inherently garbage as indies, possibly worse due to the pretentiousness.
It's bad enough that it's impossible to actually start reading the damn things, but there's also literally nothing else to read besides "stories" about stupidly dressed vigilantes who fight each other instead of crime. This is why manga won.
woah what's this now??
I remember that, that's the story where a bunch of capes are dragged into a fantasy world without their higher tech and have to fight it out.
I'd read that for a laugh tho, so good on you I guess?
Deal with it
Theres lots of reasons really
meh
>hates indies
Corporate bootlicking should be a capital offence, I bet you don't shop at your local independent stores either.