>cartoon network cancels/tax write off all it's "mature" cartoons, literally deciding to change it's entire audience out of no ...

>cartoon network cancels/tax write off all it's "mature" cartoons, literally deciding to change it's entire audience out of no where
>turns out that didn't work at all and now CN is backpedaling hard
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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. And on top of that 6 of the remaining 10 Ep's of CotC will also be airing throuhgout the month of June meaning the remaining 4 have yet to be announced

    You'd think Zaslav would want this garbage show off his programming block as soon as possible

    Jessica was the lamest possible character to make spinoff material with anyway

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      rose quartz lookin ass

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone? viacom had that solved 30 years ago. the little kids watch nick jr. the regular kids watch nick, the older kids in particular stay up for SNICK, and on weekday evenings you get Nick-at-Nite so parents can enjoy something but kids can still watch.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone?

      Gaming and the Internet. The internet has now become the pennultimate dopamine receptor for most zoomers and normies and is a literal bottomless shitpit of short term dopamine loops that can be farmed over and over

      This board, this site that youre on right now. People would rather come here and shitpost about shit they have no interest in watching or havent watched because they like the community it brings to them or something moronic like that

      media in this original state cant compare to what the internet provides everyone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Grade Schoolers literally have YouTube and video games.
        Teenagers have anime and Tiktok
        Young Adults have video games and choice of literally every streaming service
        Everyone else has zero interest in new cartoons.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Everyone else has zero interest in new cartoons.
          >mentions anime
          Anime count as cartoons
          On that note, aren't cartoons from other countries like France not doing particularly terrible?

          The issue is that all the cartoonslop in the West is so unappealing that no one wants it. It's neither hyper cutesy and idealized like anime, nor is it appealingly stylized like it used to be in the 90s (the 60s thru 80s don't count since technological differences meant kids had no choice but to watch whatever Hanna-Barbara/toyline slop they put out).
          Same deal with comics. Why do manga, manhua, and webcomics get so many more eyeballs than Western slop? We all know why. Yet ResetEra and Xitter screeches that THEY need to be more like US and reeeeeeeeee every month whenever sales figures get published. They latched onto Vivziepop because her work at least was decently stylized but also entirely within their usual writing standards.

          I even think a lot of Xitter screeching about AI is this. It's not legitimate fear of the death of creative expression; it's preemptive hatred of stuff that will let the plebs and chuds create their own media without getting filtered by the Californian commissars. That's why they constantly threaten to kill themselves everytime OpenAI tweets— they're mortally afraid of the utter gutter trash that is the modern cartoon landscape being completely upended.
          They don't care that the cartoon networks are dying. They get talked about and amplified all the same by streamers and ecelebs, so even if only 100,000 people ever watch a new CN show, Youtubers with cartoon furry profile pics will make videos on them that get millions of views, so as long as the Message is out there, it serves its purpose

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The most popular cartoons in France right now are Ladybug and Totally Spies. Ladybug I am convinced is a Money Laundering show because how can a show that has some of the worst 3D TV animation ever conceptualized print so much goddamn money

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Redditspacing
              I'll bite. The 3d animation isn't great, but 3d animation for television sucks all around so nobody really cares, and the character designs are cute. The girl is basically a 3d anime design, and the dude is a prettyboy straight out of a 2010s teen girl's dreams.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The most popular, or the only ones you actually know about?
              Post source, please.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The issue is that all the cartoonslop in the West is so unappealing that no one wants it
            I think a lot of the studios, CalArts creators, and network presidents are perpetually kept up at night trying to make sense of why Dragon Ball Super episode 130/131 had literal crowds of millions watching in Mexico and broke the internet and why 2D animated Demon Slayer and One Piece movies even get close to touching their 3D globohomosexual Pixarslop or why manga sales are so absurd that the collective entirety of the American comic book industry is a literal rounding error in Demon Slayer's sales let alone the rest of manga and manhua.

            They're so convinced that comfy loreshow wokeshit with beans for mouths and uninspired coloring and art that's meant more for ecelebs and twittercore to gush about how diverse and gay it is is actually the right direction that they can't rationalize what they're doing wrong. Worse they actually do have at least one unironic success on that level with Steven Universe (arguably Gravity Falls), so it can't be good for their mental health trying to pick apart why that worked but is still barely as hyped up and successful as a random seasonal anime in any given year, because the answer would be invalidating everything they've done and seek to so.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Everyone else has zero interest in new cartoons.
              >mentions anime
              Anime count as cartoons
              On that note, aren't cartoons from other countries like France not doing particularly terrible?

              The issue is that all the cartoonslop in the West is so unappealing that no one wants it. It's neither hyper cutesy and idealized like anime, nor is it appealingly stylized like it used to be in the 90s (the 60s thru 80s don't count since technological differences meant kids had no choice but to watch whatever Hanna-Barbara/toyline slop they put out).
              Same deal with comics. Why do manga, manhua, and webcomics get so many more eyeballs than Western slop? We all know why. Yet ResetEra and Xitter screeches that THEY need to be more like US and reeeeeeeeee every month whenever sales figures get published. They latched onto Vivziepop because her work at least was decently stylized but also entirely within their usual writing standards.

              I even think a lot of Xitter screeching about AI is this. It's not legitimate fear of the death of creative expression; it's preemptive hatred of stuff that will let the plebs and chuds create their own media without getting filtered by the Californian commissars. That's why they constantly threaten to kill themselves everytime OpenAI tweets— they're mortally afraid of the utter gutter trash that is the modern cartoon landscape being completely upended.
              They don't care that the cartoon networks are dying. They get talked about and amplified all the same by streamers and ecelebs, so even if only 100,000 people ever watch a new CN show, Youtubers with cartoon furry profile pics will make videos on them that get millions of views, so as long as the Message is out there, it serves its purpose

              Revealed preferences. When kids are given unrestrained access to pick what they want to watch they pick anime, over and over. It starts young. At the core of why Western animation shit keeps failing is a complete unwillingness to accept what the audience actually wants to watch. You see this play out with Hazbin Hotel. "It's not for teens it's for adults!!!" but obviously that is the sort of thing teens would watch and arguably the only demographic that could even enjoy it. But Vivzie isn't allowed to admit what we all know privately.

              Western animation will never take off if it can't be honest about who it's audience is or what they find appealing, they will keep neutering their content to be unenjoyable to everyone but stunted manchildren.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its actually because Zoomers who're cripplingly addicted to Tiktok are likely to find anime recommendations from Tiktok. Im half convinced the reason why anime like JJK is so popular among normies is because a lot of people from Tiktok found out about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The anime helps.
                The problem is the west has no basis for adaptation.
                We have Invicible. That's it. Look at anything else, Millarworld is not something anyone else wants to adapt which is why everyone just does live action adaptations of different series set in that world.
                Which is the other problem.
                The west looks at comics and books and says "Hm yes this deserves a serious adaptation make it live action."
                Any animated adaptation is usually direct to dvd or for kids.
                Meanwhile the Japanese use animation to drum up promotion and funds for those series.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what I am talking about predates tiktok

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Revealed preferences. When kids are given unrestrained access to pick what they want to watch they pick anime, over and over. It starts young. At the core of why Western animation shit keeps failing is a complete unwillingness to accept what the audience actually wants to watch.
                what's wild is that they for a time KNEW what kids wanted, engaging visually appealing media that took elements of eastern animation and incorporated it into western productions. Somewhere along the way they cut costs and reigned everything in so only toddlers who'd rather watch cocomelon would be forced to engage with it.

                And then they only aired this disgusted babied slop for an entire decade while driving everyone above the age of 7 off.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thats just it. They know but they dont care. ESG is not about making money its reminding people or gaslighting them that society has a certain standard it wants its psuedo consumer base to adhere to and you should be shunned for thinking outside of it. I know a lot of people dont like the argument about how western cartoon in their current state are "soft" propaganda but sometimes its blatantly obvious that it is. Disney has shown repeatedly the only reason why it keeps DTVA around is because its just another interchangable branch among a giant dead tree of branches each connected to different funding points of ESG

                Its just that every now and then you can overlook the propaganda aspects if the show has anything resembling potential. Cinemaphile and the internet as a whole are very vocal about shit like Owl House and Amphibia but on paper they could be decently marketable shows but as they were they were paint by number.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ben 10 is slop

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ben 10 is mahou shoujo for boys

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It says something that even slop is visually far more appealing then the gruel they shit out today.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is.
                Was still insanely popular when it came out though and was one of CNs best merch sellers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >what's wild is that they for a time KNEW what kids wanted, engaging visually appealing media that took elements of eastern animation and incorporated it into western productions. Somewhere along the way they cut costs and reigned everything in so only toddlers who'd rather watch cocomelon would be forced to engage with it.
                Not quite so though. I said this in Loud House threads explaining the nuance of why one character is so popular when the Nick staff was putting everything behind another.

                The networks MADE things popular. Kids didn't have online spaces and free choice. You accepted whatever the networks put on TV. If you liked it and watched it, it went on. But the studio and network heads had the final say on what they believed kids would like and greenlit what they felt would succeed according to their focus testing and marketing metrics.
                They knew kids had non-conventional preferences, but that was peripheral.

                Now kids can choose whatever they want to watch and overwhelmingly choose things that networks either don't understand and wouldn't work on TV (Skibidi Toilet) or goes completely against conventional management executive wisdom. In that Loud House thread, it was about how the character Lucy was absolutely monstrously more popular than all the other Loud sisters with kids to the point kids were mainly tuning in for her specifically, but Nickelodeon in a leaked document was almost fanatically trying to get the genius sister Lisa to be their breakout star. This was the perfect example it turned out between what those network heads are used to vs this new kid-run paradigm. Executives are trained to precipitate and command trends, because historically they controled what kids watched. That kids always preferred adult TV, action and fricked up horror movies if they were allowed to watch it was unimportant.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But it is important now when the 7-12 demographic turned off the TV and turned on Netflix and TikTok and it turns out those same 6-11 boys that were supposed to be into things like grossout humor, high tech science, spy action thrillers, and sports are instead watching some talking head in a toilet, videos about a giant walking siren, a CGI cartoon about a jester trapped in a I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream nightmare, and a moody goth girl in a boarding school, as well as Japanese shows about superpowered kids beating each other up.

                And when your paycheck relies on those boys watching your shit, but you're an Important Person who knows what kids ought to be watching, there's a problem with that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The networks MADE things popular. Kids didn't have online spaces and free choice. You accepted whatever the networks put on TV. If you liked it and watched it, it went on. But the studio and network heads had the final say on what they believed kids would like and greenlit what they felt would succeed according to their focus testing and marketing metrics.
                I vaguely remember that in the 2000s, almost all the creators at Cartoon Network loved anime to some extent, but the network itself hated it and hated the fact it was the most popular programming on their channel because anime broke every rule of American cartoons, even on down to not being syndicatable because of the storylines, as well as the extra focus on drama instead of pure comedy. And when there was that small wave of "serious" cartoons in the early 2010s, the CN president deliberately fricked it over in lieu of the Adventure Time/Teen Titans Go-era of spastic kiddy comedy because they believed cartoons absolutely have to be for kids (also they weren't selling that many toys).

                Breaking the networks' stranglehold is a good thing, but it sucks watching the landscape rot in real time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Entire generations of creators and suits formed ideas about what it was that kids liked that turned out to only be true when kids are given few options. Again, revealed preferences. Now we KNOW what kids REALLY want to watch. Turns out that the stuff kids liked before was just kids coping for lack of better options.

                That example you shared sounds interesting, do you know where I can read more about it like a past thread or something? I wonder why they couldn't just accept that Lucy was more popular and shift focus to her.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not at my desk and won't be for a good while, but here's at least an imgur reupload of an old poll in a document that leaked onto Cinemaphile detailing prospects for a spinoff that may or may not be in production.
                It's not clear from this little snippet, but the team and network were pushing heavily for Lisa, including having her star in no fewer than 3 serious spinoff pitches. This because she "fits" the brand better according to what historically worked and is also easier to write for when you don't have restraints. She received ample focus past season 5 to anticipate both the new movie and a probable spinoff from it.
                However, the kids polled offline and online overwhelmingly preferred Lucy to such an extreme extent that the gap of preference between her and Lisa was a few points larger than the gap between Lisa (2nd place) and Lori (last place), in a non-zero sum poll with 10 characters. This before Wednesday (2022) even debuted.

                Nickelodeon was completely blindsided by this and still haven't fully understood the message because that spinoff certainly does not focus on any one sister and may or may not still be trying to play favorites. Zoomercore is still beyond the grasp of most people working at Nickelodeon.

                To drive home how out of touch the brass at the top are: remember Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 2? Remember Gertie being playable over Helga or Arnold? That was entirely an upper level decision— because of the sentiment that "badass karate granny" feels like a meme that kids and Hey Arnold fans would like.
                Logically if it could have been a meme, it would have been long before now and trying to force it in a nearly-shovelware platform fighter isn't going to trick anyone.

                The network still operates along very 1990s/2000s ways of thinking. They're more than aware that most of their target audience gets their entertainment online, but they're cripplingly slow to understand that what kids actually like isn't what they're selling.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >boys hate lola the most
                damn that's kind of unexpected

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When have "bratty mean girly little sister" characters ever been popular with boys? It's one of those tropes of cartoons that literally only exists because of those same creators and suits dogmatically following the template. And what's sad is Lola is probably one of the best versions of that trope.

                There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.

                Anime is similar, but in that case, otakus make the shows and all the dere tropes and shit is literally what the fans themselves want. America is the exact opposite.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When have "bratty mean girly little sister" characters ever been popular with boys?
                I mean isn't Gwen popular?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean isn't Gwen popular?
                You're confused, Gwen is the smart/responsible/voice of reason girl.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shes popular with me. But for purely horny impure reasons.

                That being said, sisters like that are probably my favorite even outside smut

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.
                Such as?
                (I'm not being snarky either, I'm genuinely interested in getting a list going because I've had this exact same feeling for years and years too that there's so many BS tropes and cliches and homages cartoons keep doing despite no one I know ever liking it, wanting more of it, and for some of them actively despising it every time it's used)

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I always fricking hated plots based around a misunderstanding that led to two sides either hating each other or one of them trying to explain but it keeps getting more awkward and circumstances keep fricking things up. I don't think there's been a single time in my life I ever found that funny, but I swear every cartoon I watched in the 2000s had at least one episode like that.
                Also hated it when a particular character was always the "go to" punching bag. No matter what they actually did, if you ever needed physical comedy, just pick on them. If any cartoon writer is here now, let me tell you here and now, from the bottom of my fricking heart, THAT'S NEVER BEEN AS FUNNY AS YOU THINK IT IS.
                I have no idea why that trope is so common. It's NEVER funny. EVER. It's not even particularly realistic because usually the guy all the bad shit happens to actually had it coming, but just tries whining that it didn't because he/she's a narcissistic prick, unless it's something like a bunch of active bullies picking on someone who doesn't have anything good in their lives, which why the frick would you want that in a kid's show?

                I agree, a lot of cartoon standards in America are not even remotely close to anything resembling what people would actually want to see if we had a choice. But we don't, because the advertisers and channels determined what got on the air.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anime is similar, but in that case, otakus make the shows and all the dere tropes and shit is literally what the fans themselves want. America is the exact opposite.

                That's actually a really keen observation. I know that otaku have "ruined" anime because they made most of it their wish fulfillment, but you're not wrong. If you asked Japanese otaku and American weebs what they'd want in their dream anime, a shit ton of anime is already like that.
                Whereas if you ask cartoon fans what their dream cartoon is, virtually none of what you'd hear would describe any cartoon in the past 50 years except for bits and pieces here and there, usually also watered down to be for kids.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Whereas if you ask cartoon fans what their dream cartoon is, virtually none of what you'd hear would describe any cartoon in the past 50 years except for bits and pieces here and there, usually also watered down to be for kids.
                Kek if you asked most cartoon fans what their "dream cartoon" is, they'd probably describe an anime

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not totally true. I want Lynchian animation.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe 40% of it, but a lot of cartoon ideas are just crazy shit that networks won't want to invest in because it's not profitable and too expensive and risky to make. Kiddy show slapstick with unfunny jokes, Family Guy wannabes, and slice of life loreshows are easy money.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lola hated by boys the most
                >unexpected
                How?

                Lola doesn't have much to offer boys at their young age when she's ultra-feminine, princess-like , and pink, even if her attitude is entertaining to adult males.
                Girly shows like PPG did well with boys because they were still action oriented. Lola isn't an action type character.

                I think Luan being at the bottom of boy interest is more surprising since you think a prankster would be up a young boy's alley in terms of interests. Maybe the pun stuff is offputting.
                Lynn Jr. is also surprisingly low, but she's more in the middle.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know, maybe I was just way hornier.
                But I would definitely be yanking it to her at 10.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When have "bratty mean girly little sister" characters ever been popular with boys? It's one of those tropes of cartoons that literally only exists because of those same creators and suits dogmatically following the template. And what's sad is Lola is probably one of the best versions of that trope.

                There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.

                Anime is similar, but in that case, otakus make the shows and all the dere tropes and shit is literally what the fans themselves want. America is the exact opposite.

                >Lola hated by boys the most
                >unexpected
                How?

                Lola doesn't have much to offer boys at their young age when she's ultra-feminine, princess-like , and pink, even if her attitude is entertaining to adult males.
                Girly shows like PPG did well with boys because they were still action oriented. Lola isn't an action type character.

                I think Luan being at the bottom of boy interest is more surprising since you think a prankster would be up a young boy's alley in terms of interests. Maybe the pun stuff is offputting.
                Lynn Jr. is also surprisingly low, but she's more in the middle.

                I wouldve liked lola as a young boy because i wouldve thought she was funny

                I don't know, maybe I was just way hornier.
                But I would definitely be yanking it to her at 10.

                Based and same

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lola is the type that you like the older you get. I would hate her guts as a kid but as an adult I find her endearing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wow I did not expect the preference to be of such a strong degree. It can be hard to create and write a female character that little boys like but it seems like they succeeded with Lucy, they should have embraced that. Cinemaphile complains a lot about cartoons with female leads but it looks like that poll proves that there is actually an audience for it, at least among kids, they just prefer something different than what is being offered.

                >There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.
                Such as?
                (I'm not being snarky either, I'm genuinely interested in getting a list going because I've had this exact same feeling for years and years too that there's so many BS tropes and cliches and homages cartoons keep doing despite no one I know ever liking it, wanting more of it, and for some of them actively despising it every time it's used)

                As a kid I didn't like gross-out humor, I didn't like annoying younger sibling characters (being an older sibling myself) and I didn't like seeing characters get bullied (which is different from the characters encountering action packed conflicts). I didn't like the mean girly girl character type either which is why I really liked Courtney from As Told By Ginger.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                goth girls transced age groups

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I didn't like the mean girly girl character type either which is why I really liked Courtney from As Told By Ginger.
                Based. Courtney was just a popular girl who liked Ginger and wanted to know her life better, but as a kid I always thought she was a little obsessive with Ginger. I understood little on groups and status quo on schools because my school only had "boys-only" and "girls-only" groups. So it was quite weird not seeing Courtney simply getting closer to Ginger in a natural way.
                Nowadays, seeing some As Told by Ginger videos, some people talked on how they wanted to do Courtney having a sexual awakening during high school seasons and realize her fascination with Ginger was lesbian/bisexual attraction or whatever. Don't know if this is true, but it kinda explains a bit on her character towards Ginger.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Based kids loving best sister

                goth girls transced age groups

                This

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Luan that low across the board
                Damn, things aren't easy for the funny girl.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wanting to push Lisa so hard
                I don't get it, you already HAD a show staring a super smart kid that does experiments and fricks around with science, why try and do it again? Hell, the last time a show stared a goth or goth-like character was Growing Up Creepy and Ruby Gloom, both of which started and ended in the 00s.
                Also, this is just fan art before any one asks.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hell, the last time a show stared a goth or goth-like character was Growing Up Creepy and Ruby Gloom, both of which started and ended in the 00s.
                You answered your own question
                >"super smart technowizard kid" is a kid cartoon classic staple, and one of Nickelodeon's most classic and well known IPs is that. Traditional marketing also suggests boys react to technology more.i.e. the "boys = robots and tools, girls = magic and dolls" dichotomy

                >goth girl shows are rare, and are often written in a way that makes them feel quasi-seasonal like Halloween-themed shows

                >before Wednesday blew up, there was no clear evidence to execs that a show starring a goth girl would be successful with kids because of how scattered the data was

                >Wednesday winds up eclipsing everything with kids almost specifically, around the same time Helluva Boss does the same and it turns out kids also love creepypasta and analog horror

                >media execs bewildered because that's not how it was supposed to work

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We could've had a goth girl dark comedy this entire time but execs are too fricking stupid

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Best part about it is that you just know old balding men in grey suits will be given documents that might as well be saying "goth waifu cartoon = ₪₪₪" but they'll waffle on it endlessly because "historically they haven't done well" and greenlight something "safer" like the adventures of a talking butt with 50 episodes that are literally carbon copies of every shitty dark age Nicktoon and then give themselves a bonus for being "in touch with the kids"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I want this, but I'm perptually of the mind that whoever makes it will just make it a Halloween cartoon in all but name and be done with it just being "goth/creepy jokes for 11 minutes for about 2 seasons before it's canceled"
                >so how else would you do it besides that?
                Ain't that the big fricking question of the whole thread. The fact Burgerville's cartoon scene is so lifeless and uncreative isn't my fault

                Blame the same suits who looked at the demographics reports and decided "let's not appeal to our overwhelming audience and instead try to make shows for kids who are barely even sentient"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The problem with this is that now they're going to pivot to goth girl shows, oversaturate the market, do it too LATE (10-15 years after they should have after factoring in development time) and generally frick it up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it was 2014, maybe. But the issue is that the cable executives are in charge of a dying industry that might not even last another 10 years. Kids' preference for horrorshit has been consistent since the 1960s, but the actual beats of it are impossible to predict, especially in the online streaming/indie space

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lynn ranking that low is surprising to me really any of the girls ranking lower than the baby is surprising

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lower than Lily
                A straight popularity poll from Nickelodeon themselves in 2017 listed Lily as the most popular sister

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not at my desk and won't be for a good while, but here's at least an imgur reupload of an old poll in a document that leaked onto Cinemaphile detailing prospects for a spinoff that may or may not be in production.
                It's not clear from this little snippet, but the team and network were pushing heavily for Lisa, including having her star in no fewer than 3 serious spinoff pitches. This because she "fits" the brand better according to what historically worked and is also easier to write for when you don't have restraints. She received ample focus past season 5 to anticipate both the new movie and a probable spinoff from it.
                However, the kids polled offline and online overwhelmingly preferred Lucy to such an extreme extent that the gap of preference between her and Lisa was a few points larger than the gap between Lisa (2nd place) and Lori (last place), in a non-zero sum poll with 10 characters. This before Wednesday (2022) even debuted.

                Nickelodeon was completely blindsided by this and still haven't fully understood the message because that spinoff certainly does not focus on any one sister and may or may not still be trying to play favorites. Zoomercore is still beyond the grasp of most people working at Nickelodeon.

                To drive home how out of touch the brass at the top are: remember Nickelodeon All Star Brawl 2? Remember Gertie being playable over Helga or Arnold? That was entirely an upper level decision— because of the sentiment that "badass karate granny" feels like a meme that kids and Hey Arnold fans would like.
                Logically if it could have been a meme, it would have been long before now and trying to force it in a nearly-shovelware platform fighter isn't going to trick anyone.

                The network still operates along very 1990s/2000s ways of thinking. They're more than aware that most of their target audience gets their entertainment online, but they're cripplingly slow to understand that what kids actually like isn't what they're selling.

                I'm just utterly flabbergasted at how low Leni is in both of these. You'd think she was top 3 easily

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Consider this anon

                She isn't unpopular at all, and probably is #1 in online fan groups easily. Lucy might still be top 3 too, but typically you hear Leni and Luna or Lori the most.

                But how many in those fan groups are under the age of 13? I reckon virtually none. Coincidentally, what's the age range for Nickelodeon's polls? 6 thru 11.

                The online perception of the character's popularity is based on the online, overwhelmingly adult fanbase. Not the actual kids the show is aimed towards (and after Savinogate, Nick unfortunately stopped even acknowledging the online fanbase entirely). That's why there's a discrepancy.

                Another example that these shows we're talking about all the time aren't aimed at us. In American animation, children have been the primary demographic for decades. Adults were peripheral until adult animation became a thing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and after Savinogate, Nick unfortunately stopped even acknowledging the online fanbase entirely
                I like Lucy and happy to her she's no. 1 but why did Savinogate poison the well on the fans side? It's not the fans' fault Savino was creeping on coworkers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know. But there was a guy from nickelodeon who posted here about a year ago who said that the crew themselves chose to stop talking to the fanbase after Savinogate, and another anon pointed out that it really was entirely day and night before and after October 2017. Loudhouse writers straight up left social media and you can't even get in contact with some of them, and others flat out don't respond to any messages unless you get really lucky. However Miguel Puga, the guy running Casagrandes, was a lot more open, so it's got to be something to do with Savinogate. I just wish we knew everything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think we’ll find out in 2027.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Savino was assassinated.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re always saying that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why did Luan drop so low? Was this before the April Fools stuff?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >10-11yo girls like Lily the least of all 10 sisters
                >10-11yo boys like Lily nearly twice as much, even more than the 7-9yo girls, putting her in joint 4th place way above Leni and Lori
                >even the 7-9yo boys put her in 5th place
                Fricking what? I'd totally expect the younger girls to like the baby but I would have expected her to be dead last with all the boys and that they'd like the older girls more. That's wild.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That kids always preferred adult TV, action and fricked up horror movies if they were allowed to watch it was unimportant.
                This, I remember when I was young that yes, I did watch CN, Disney and Nick, but I also liked the adult anime VHS my dad got from the rental stores and sneaking in viewings of the earlier South Park seasons he bought.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Me too. I loved South Park and violent anime shows as a kid. If I had my choice, I would have only watched that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This 100%. I know I watched cartoons as a kid, but I barely remember much about it besides Ed Edd n Eddy and Spongebob and Johnny Bravo. But I can quote practically any line from Alien and Child's Play and probably rewatched the first two Halloween movies a hundred times. Back then, I thought we were all on the same page that the cartoons on CN and Nickelodeon were lame gay baby shit that you watched just because they were cartoons, and what you really wanted to watch were R rated movies. It's only been in the past 15 years that I started seeing people unironically watching and preferring kiddy cartoons. But the strange thing is, it's still mostly adults. Kids clearly still like horror judging how big creepypastas and analog ARG horror is with that groups specifically.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That kids always preferred adult TV, action and fricked up horror movies if they were allowed to watch it was unimportant.
                This, I remember when I was young that yes, I did watch CN, Disney and Nick, but I also liked the adult anime VHS my dad got from the rental stores and sneaking in viewings of the earlier South Park seasons he bought.

                The same was true in the 80s. We all had that friend with loose parents who owned Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Aliens, T2, Child's Play, etc. in VHS and we would watch them that way.
                The forbidden fruit alure.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its because the previous crop of shows were supported by the childrens toy market footing the bill.
                Most animation executives cannot comprehend that they can make higher tier (or more provocative merch and still make boatloads.
                There is no equivalent to the singular IP production committees that keep the Japanese animation scene moving.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When kids are given unrestrained access to pick what they want to watch they pick anime, over and over
                I mean that's the crux. Western toons offer nothing anime does and the culture of Western cartoons is opposed to those same things. And even when it tries to mimic them, it's still distinctly safe and half assed.
                If Americans created something with the same energy and style as any random anime, I bet money kids would watch it eagerly. Americans just won't, and maybe can't, at least on TV.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > CalArts creators
              Students are hip to anime, tbh. It’s time to retire your dumb buzzword.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They don't know what the frick anime is, no matter how many beanmouths they draw.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They don't know what the frick anime is, no matter how many beanmouths they draw.
                They do, it's just very limited to basic normie shit that's been referenced since the 90s. Millenial writers, everyone.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just because you reference anime doesn't mean you know dick about it, or even that you watched any of things referenced here. Most because everything here is basic ass surface level shit, you can get by a Google search
                >Oh, Sailor Moon has a wand and has two twintails
                >A One Piece is also a type of swimsuit, so what if it was a "two" piece har
                >I saw a picture of EoE once
                >Voltron...exists
                I refuse to believe they've actually watched anything referenced here if they can't go beyond the surface level obvervations about it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whos this little one?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Satori from touhou.
                The actual canon Satori isn't tiny like that and people hate/fear her because she can unintentionally read minds.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is the pic from a vid?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No idea.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Worse they actually do have at least one unironic success on that level with Steven Universe (arguably Gravity Falls)
              Nope they're not their success is fabricated and don't have sale numbers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Their ratings spoke for themselves and Disney was begging Alex to continue the show. Stop making shit up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude people close to Alex have mention a lot he is a larper

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > people close to Alex have mention a lot he is a larper
                Source

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't like Vivzie's stuff but to me, at least, it has soul. It' a uniquely Western product for better or worse. Soul, to me, entails personal passion and to reflect something about its material environment that sets it apart from other things and Vivzie's cartoons do succeed at that. Just wish it was better/more enjoyable. The designs are nice.

            Most AI stuff made by plebs and chuds will be soulless slop though don't think otherwise. The average person is really stupid, uncreative and lazy so I wouldn't expect anything they 'make' with AI to be any different. Western stuff is shit because Western people are shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that will let the plebs and chuds create their own media without getting filtered by the Californian commissars.
            But without them we'll get more mediocre unfunny trash like Mr. Birchum

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Teenagers have anime and Tiktok
          >Young Adults have video games and choice of literally every streaming service
          >Everyone else has zero interest in new cartoons.
          There's a bit of dishonesty here, as most zoomers moved on when channels like CN exclusively focused on toddlers. There's an entire generation who grew up watching CN go from covering most demographics from 2000-2012 to exclusively appealing to toddlers around 2013-14. Personally I pin the blame on adventure time and steven universe, which gave executives the worst lessons.
          You also had channels like Nickelodeon and Disney exclusively produce mediocre sitcoms which only appeal to 13 year old girls for most of the 2000s and 2010s.
          Inevitably zoomers took the hint and moved on, which lands us with the current state of things.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Personally I pin the blame on adventure time and steven universe, which gave executives the worst lessons.
            At least Adventure Time was actually popular with kids at the start before it was sabotaged by a bunch of tumblr writers, Steven Universe was never ever popular with kids, only coomers and tumblrinas liked it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            adventure time had a sizable young adult audience, as did SU. You don't know what you're talking about. AT stopped airing as much on TV because the demographic skewed more towards an older demographic who didn't watch cable TV. Hence the miniseries dumping on itunes, and then explicitly targeting a more adult audience with fionna on max.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Everyone else has zero interest in new cartoons.
          Uhh what? Don't you see digital circus and skibidi toilet?
          Zoomers and normies prefer indie cartoons now

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick off, i dont play vidya and im an adult. Its because all the execs wanna make os preschool trash is why no one watched cartoons anymore

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're an anomaly rather than the standard among young men. It became the other main hobby alongside sports around the time of the seventh generation of consoles and only grown more popular since.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The fact that vidya is the ONLY thing some people want as media consumption now is fricking moronic. Video games are either frustrating or boring and no inbetween. How subhumans enjoy that slop is beyond me

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Video games are either frustrating or boring and no inbetween.
                That's only the case if you play modern AAA or live service games.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Play more video games anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The anon you're replying to could NOT get past Jugpot lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please play something other than AAA and live service shit. Just how there's more to comics beyond DC and Marvel, there's more than that but people refuse to accept it to appeal to their own biases.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Video games are either frustrating or boring and no inbetween
                There's a lot of inbetween.
                Video games are just as varied in the experiences they offer as any other entertainment medium. Maybe even more.
                Like that other Anon said. You're an anomaly. Nobody is saying that you, personally, need to like video games. But you're being a moron if you can't understand why other people would enjoy them and you're dismissing an entire medium as slop.
                Saying "Video games are slop" at this point in their existence is like saying "movies are slop" or "books are slop" or "music is slop"
                Slop means something is inherently bad, low quality, and braindead that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Slop does not mean a thing you don't like.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >You're an anomaly rather than the standard among young men.
              Now you get why I hate my generation so much. All they wanna play is shitty vidya theyre not interested in anything else like movies or cartoons anymore. Its bullshit

              >Video games are either frustrating or boring and no inbetween
              There's a lot of inbetween.
              Video games are just as varied in the experiences they offer as any other entertainment medium. Maybe even more.
              Like that other Anon said. You're an anomaly. Nobody is saying that you, personally, need to like video games. But you're being a moron if you can't understand why other people would enjoy them and you're dismissing an entire medium as slop.
              Saying "Video games are slop" at this point in their existence is like saying "movies are slop" or "books are slop" or "music is slop"
              Slop means something is inherently bad, low quality, and braindead that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Slop does not mean a thing you don't like.

              >But you're being a moron if you can't understand why other people would enjoy them and you're dismissing an entire medium as slop.
              It is slop, and yes it makes no sense to the extent that the masses love video games to the point that they dont care about any other medium anymore. It pisses me the frick off
              >Slop means something is inherently bad, low quality, and braindead that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
              Describes modern millennial gamers to a tee

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to the point that they dont care about any other medium anymore
                Oh you're lying through your teeth. If they didn't, books, comics, OVAs, Sound Dramas and othe materials based on vidya IPs wouldn't be successful. Again, you're mixing all videogames in a single "It's all FIFA/Madden/Military FPS/Sony Moviegame" slop.

                Twilight Princess' adaptation lasted 6 whole years and was even better than the source material with the exception of one detail but that's nitpicking and the collection of the whole thing was a success for Dark Horse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have a legit hard time talking to anyone in my age range about anything besides video games, its isolating. I had this one person was talking about the texas chainsaw massacre video game adaptation and i asked if theyve seen the original movie and they said "lol no", these fricks dont even care about cinema or too s anymore all they want to play is their shitty games

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A big issue with Normalgays of any generation was that they'd refuse to watch anything they deem too old.
                When I was a teenager. Anything from before the late 80s was "too old" and black and white was out of the question. The only exception was The Exorcist. Even vidya suffers this, I can tell you retro vidya IRL is an isolating hobby because anything before the 360 is deemed "too old, clunky and unfair". Anime and cartoons are also their own hella where younger people love to shit on older artstyles or animation methods. Normalgays really do induce hell on earth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah thats a part of it as well, even if i did find someone who liked movies as much as me all theyd probably be into is MCU shit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                unironically try befriending old people anon. not 20-something discord mods unless you want to get groomed, i mean literal old people

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All the old people around me are 50 something boomers who wont shut up about vaccines or things being too woke

                Also i am a 20 something.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What was the detail?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Big one: OoT Link not being related to TP Link, instead of calling him "my son" like in the game, he says "although we are not blood kin, you will forever be like a son to me

                Minor one: Impaz is replaced by a dashing young cutie to be held and comforted by Link when she breaks in tears remembering the death of everyone in the Hidden Village because the grannies who make the Zelda manga don't like self inserting on an old woman despite being old themselves.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I hate how pre-school cartoon are 3dCGI. CN/Cartonito are the only who still making 2d animation

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To add to this, video games and Internet has lead to streaming where you pick what you want to watch. People, especially people who grew up with tablets, want to be more active in what they watch and TV networks require you to passively watch. You can choose the channel but not what the channel is showing. That doesn't work for anyone born after 1999.
        >My boomer dad only watches passively
        >Will get upset if there isn't variety in the shows broadcast
        >Only half pays attention at best

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Channels are great, though. You end up watching stuff you wouldn't otherwise watch. You end up watching MORE stuff, because you can just tune in instead of having to pick something. I think Toonami Aftermath is a great example of how GOOD a "TV channel" can be.

          Hell, zoomers are just as used to TV channels as anyone else. People don't talk enough about how Youtube is like a TV channel. The recommendations tab on the side is "what's on". The next video in the autoplay is the next show. Daily uploads lead to "oh boy it's 3am!". It's designed to keep you staring at the screen passively watching ads forever.

          >My zoomer son only watches passively
          >Will get upset if there isn't variety in the channels recommended
          >Only half pays attention at best
          ^exactly as accurate. Youtube is basically just History Channel or daytime talk shows, but with a slightly more realistic illusion of choice (like the boomer who pays for 10 streaming services but still "chooses" to watch Ancient Aliens marathons all day). The quality of the shows isn't anything particularly better.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I appreciate the hell of Toonami Aftermath but it's been on the loop for so long of the same shows I wish they bended up the rules a bit and added other anime or cartoons from the same era, or added a Fox Kids channel to shake things up a little bit.
            I also wish their Cartoon Cartoons block was longer.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It is what it is. There's enough stuff on there that you could watch an hour or two per day for 2+ years and still always have something to watch if you looked through the schedule hard enough and made the time for it. And you really shouldn't need more than that.

              There are a few Cytube channels that do similar things with a wider variety of shows.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There are a few Cytube channels that do similar things with a wider variety of shows.
                Any reccomendations?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, just browse. You'll find something. We shouldn't even be talking about TA, there are eyes everywhere.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Toonami Aftermath
            wtf are you me, I have that on in the background right now

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh dopamine
        You are a moron, the truth is that the cable is an outdated system.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only moronic boomers watch cable now, everyone else went to the internet where you can binge all of your favorite series without having to wait week by week. Hand a zoomer an ipad and now their attention spans are friend and they just spend their time watching skibidi toilet and browsing Cinemaphile

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, modern cartoons just either suck or the good ones get cancelled too quickly

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You say this, but every time Tartakovsky does a new cartoon, it performs well. Maybe modern animators just suck?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          His last cartoon underperformed especially compared tonthe success of Primal.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is dopamine a real chemical or people are parroting random words again?
        Show me a photo of a plastic bottle with liquid dopamine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dopamine is a neurotransmition chemical generated by the brain and nerve system in response to a positive action in many mammals, including us, and encourages that. It's why videogames can become addictive, overcoming challenges and conquering a high score releases dopamine and ditto the terminally online homosexuals on social media, seeing Upboats, a large number of (You)s, views, likes, shares, etc go up and up and up causes a release of dopamine and it is entirely possible to become addicted to it as the human brain wasn't ready for constant stimulants like social media.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          try looking it up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody watches cable at all, but cable execs still exist. Basically what is going on is
      >cable exec is accepting pitches
      >diverse pitches
      >cable exec: "Sorry, my plan to revitalize our cable network is to focus on X. Your pitch doesn't fit into my plan, regardless of whether some other demographic would like it."
      >cable exec approves Y show
      >Y show flops because nobody watches cable and trying to focus on X was a stupid idea
      >cable exec fired
      >new cable exec arrives, wants to focus on Z
      >cable exec is accepting pitches
      >repeat

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, what is going on is

        >cable exec shorts cocaine
        >snorts more cocaine
        >snort snort snort
        >snooooooooorrrrrrrrt
        >cable exec does whatever the cocaine gods tell him to do

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cable exec fired
        lol. The problem is that this DOESN’T happen since most entertainment execs get their positions via nepotism. So all the major decisions are made by out of touch unqualified morons who can’t be removed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone?
      Adult Swim gets better ratings than anything CN/Cartoonito related no matter what the frick they air:
      >The push into 5 p.m. for Adult Swim comes after the first two weeks of its new 7 p.m. hour lifted tune-in among viewers 18 to 49 by 24%, with a 38% upswing in the 18-to-34 demo, compared with the previous Cartoon Network-branded schedule. Increases in the 18-to-49 bracket reached a peak of 66% on Mondays and 87% on Tuesdays, and the overall gains at 7 p.m. have carried over into the 8 p.m. hour. The network has risen to sixth place among ad-supported networks in prime-time compared with 12th in the weeks leading up to the expansion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and on weekday evenings you get Nick-at-Nite so parents can enjoy something but kids can still watch.
      I miss watching the Munsters with my folks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Like most things, internet. This internet thing really changed the entire world.
      Why bother making a slot for teens, kids, etc, when most of them probably stream their shows or don't watch or even have a Live TV service. I don't need to wake up to watch that niche but strangely good show that comes on before school anymore. Teens don't have to wait for a new episode of whatever shit that comes only on weekends. It's all online! it's a waste of money to do anything cool now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Given how the 2 most popular animation at the moment are literally Hazbin and Amazing Digital Circus its demonstrating that pitching a show to a network is just flat out a waste of time. Hell the only reason Viv went and did it was because she wanted bigger media connections for her characters which is oftentimes becoming more trouble then its worth

        Company Exec's are having a massive clerical error where Youtube can now provide them with way more financial sustainability then they can and they never have to worry about their show getting fricked with or cancelled.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Youtube can now provide them with way more financial sustainability

          If you happen to have a hit. Which is highly unlikely scenario. Also depending on the content you might not be able to monetise it at all.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Youtube can now provide them with way more financial sustainability

          If you happen to have a hit. Which is highly unlikely scenario. Also depending on the content you might not be able to monetise it at all.

          > Youtube can now provide them with way more financial sustainability then they can
          You massively overestimate how much YouTube pays out. It would be good money for one creator or a small team, but not enough for a whole production typical of animation. Networks still pay better for the time being.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone?
      That was never seriously the case. Despite what cartoon-avatar e-celebs on YouTube want you to believe, all the cartoon networks were aimed at children first and foremost. If the shows gathered audiences outside that demographic, all the better, but kids were the ones they needed to watch the shows because they would reliably buy merchandise (well their parents would buy it for them to be fair, but same difference)
      When push comes to shove, they were inevitably going to focus on kids, and if needbe go as young as possible way before they even acknowledged that anyone over the age of 13 actually watched their shows.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off, CN was always meant to be the edgier channel for older kids and teens/adults, and when they betrayed their original audience to push toddler shit the audience left and now no one watched modern CN

        Ya get what you fricking deserve and all that jazz

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Face the goddamn facts. You were told for years that CN was "for teens and adults," but the cold fact is it was a kid's channel, and now that the bandaid's been ripped off, people can't cope with the fact they weren't the ones being pandered to.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick you, it was never meant to be a channel for shitting toddlers and now that they stubbornly refuse to be anything but nick jr lite they lost all their viewer base, as rightfully they should have too might i add

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cartoon Network was the channel that dared, it was *the* cartoon network, and everyone in it was proud and passionate for animation, you can feel the love for it in that channel then making what they wanted to make, the jokes they wanted to make, incredible well produced commercial bumpers that weren't cheap to make because their standard was that high

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Networks, yes, but the creators are more than aware that most of their audience are adults. They're just constrained by what stories and content they can make because they're on networks regulated to be for kids.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Naruto/TDI era of Cartoon Network was clearly aimed at teens.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cartoon Network
      Stop using that name. It's gone. It's just WB now.

      >what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone?
      The old model of television production is no longer viable. Networks are no longer networks, they are simply publishers. Shows aren't made for time-slots and advertising dollars can't pay for their production. There's no such thing anymore as a show being a lead-in or filling a slot where only housewives are watching.

      Nobody watches cable at all, but cable execs still exist. Basically what is going on is
      >cable exec is accepting pitches
      >diverse pitches
      >cable exec: "Sorry, my plan to revitalize our cable network is to focus on X. Your pitch doesn't fit into my plan, regardless of whether some other demographic would like it."
      >cable exec approves Y show
      >Y show flops because nobody watches cable and trying to focus on X was a stupid idea
      >cable exec fired
      >new cable exec arrives, wants to focus on Z
      >cable exec is accepting pitches
      >repeat

      Right on the money, the dinosaurs that keep falling into power at these media conglomerates saw success in the old model and have no fricking clue what to do with the new model except slash and burn anything that isn't obviously majorly profitable.

      You can still make a cartoon profitable by selling merchandise and "experiences" the way anime does, but that's not Zaslav's business. Zaslav's business is greenlighting reality shows and cutting his way to the black.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most kids older than 6 dont really watch cartoons anymore. It's all videogames, youtube, or tiktok
      Running 3 different channels for a basically non-existent demographic is just burning money

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They dont watch cartoons because all the ones they keep airing are shit. If they made better shows the kids would start watching

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most kids older than 6 dont really watch cartoons anymore.
        Here's the funny part. They actually do, they just watch it on shit they actually care about.
        It's rather poetic actually that spaming TTG killed them in the end, because like Nick and their spaming of Spongebob, they actually know what kids like anymore, they were so comfortable with their glass house they didn't think to consider a hail storm could've come and shatter it. They pivoted to pre-school shows because making shows for toddlers is literally as easy as dangling keys in front of them, but they stop conisder Cocomelon, Bluey and Paw Patrol already had that market cornered, to say nothing about Seasme Street still being largely free and undispuated king of the space.

        They are reaping what they've sown for the last decade.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All the people replying to you are coping. As someone who had to work with overseas networks including nip, I can tell you all the advertising dollars are being siphoned by big fat cats in these American companies and crumbs are given out in return. Meanwhile in japan, profits are distributed fairly to everyone. It’s a matter of greed, if kids didn’t like cartoons then anpanman would've been dead.

      Btw, I dislike suits and creatives alike for being greedy. It’s not just executive decision makers. The entire business philosophy in the west is fricked

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The entire business philosophy in the west is fricked
        The cartoon industry is driven almost entirely by nepotism and craft traditionalists who hate not doing it the way old white israeli comedians from the 1950s said you had to do it. That's what

        I always fricking hated plots based around a misunderstanding that led to two sides either hating each other or one of them trying to explain but it keeps getting more awkward and circumstances keep fricking things up. I don't think there's been a single time in my life I ever found that funny, but I swear every cartoon I watched in the 2000s had at least one episode like that.
        Also hated it when a particular character was always the "go to" punching bag. No matter what they actually did, if you ever needed physical comedy, just pick on them. If any cartoon writer is here now, let me tell you here and now, from the bottom of my fricking heart, THAT'S NEVER BEEN AS FUNNY AS YOU THINK IT IS.
        I have no idea why that trope is so common. It's NEVER funny. EVER. It's not even particularly realistic because usually the guy all the bad shit happens to actually had it coming, but just tries whining that it didn't because he/she's a narcissistic prick, unless it's something like a bunch of active bullies picking on someone who doesn't have anything good in their lives, which why the frick would you want that in a kid's show?

        I agree, a lot of cartoon standards in America are not even remotely close to anything resembling what people would actually want to see if we had a choice. But we don't, because the advertisers and channels determined what got on the air.

        >There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.
        Such as?
        (I'm not being snarky either, I'm genuinely interested in getting a list going because I've had this exact same feeling for years and years too that there's so many BS tropes and cliches and homages cartoons keep doing despite no one I know ever liking it, wanting more of it, and for some of them actively despising it every time it's used)

        When have "bratty mean girly little sister" characters ever been popular with boys? It's one of those tropes of cartoons that literally only exists because of those same creators and suits dogmatically following the template. And what's sad is Lola is probably one of the best versions of that trope.

        There's probably 100 things cartoon studios do that no kids ever liked, but networks didn't care so it kept happening.

        Anime is similar, but in that case, otakus make the shows and all the dere tropes and shit is literally what the fans themselves want. America is the exact opposite.

        >Whereas if you ask cartoon fans what their dream cartoon is, virtually none of what you'd hear would describe any cartoon in the past 50 years except for bits and pieces here and there, usually also watered down to be for kids.
        Kek if you asked most cartoon fans what their "dream cartoon" is, they'd probably describe an anime

        >Anime is similar, but in that case, otakus make the shows and all the dere tropes and shit is literally what the fans themselves want. America is the exact opposite.

        That's actually a really keen observation. I know that otaku have "ruined" anime because they made most of it their wish fulfillment, but you're not wrong. If you asked Japanese otaku and American weebs what they'd want in their dream anime, a shit ton of anime is already like that.
        Whereas if you ask cartoon fans what their dream cartoon is, virtually none of what you'd hear would describe any cartoon in the past 50 years except for bits and pieces here and there, usually also watered down to be for kids.

        are probably getting at. Cartoons here in America are not supposed to be "good." They're products to be manufactured. That they cross over with artistry and help inspire artists is a benefit, but not necessary. There's a template to storytelling and how the shows should look that occasionally gets updated every so often. But generally cartoons today aren't actually telling stories that shows from the 1970s and 1980s weren't because the entertainment template was written. Don't like "average kid goes on neighborhood adventures" show with the same handful of plot ideas? How about "average talking animal goes on surreal neighborhood adventure" show with the same handful of plot ideas? Maybe written better or worse.

        That's what made streaming so dangerous because early on, it threatened to break the monopoly on how cartoons were made. There was a possibility that you didn't have to force a basic concept into 11 or 22 minute episodes over the course of 26 or 52-episode seasons repeatedly. Maybe you could just tell a story with your concept that lasts 5 minutes or across 8 episodes of varying length, and that's it.
        Nope, couldn't have that, because the industry has its ways. So every concept has to be "capable" of lasting far longer than it reasonably should.
        But now chickens came home to roost and the target audience doesn't watch cartoons anymore. It's a bit schadenfreude-like to see.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There was a possibility that you didn't have to force a basic concept into 11 or 22 minute episodes over the course of 26 or 52-episode seasons repeatedly. Maybe you could just tell a story with your concept that lasts 5 minutes or across 8 episodes of varying length, and that's it.
          >Nope, couldn't have that, because the industry has its ways. So every concept has to be "capable" of lasting far longer than it reasonably should.
          This.
          Some shows don't need to last the typical production runtime or for whole seasons, but cartoons aren't made with that philosophy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There was a possibility that you didn't have to force a basic concept into 11 or 22 minute episodes over the course of 26 or 52-episode seasons repeatedly. Maybe you could just tell a story with your concept that lasts 5 minutes or across 8 episodes of varying length, and that's it.
          >Nope, couldn't have that, because the industry has its ways. So every concept has to be "capable" of lasting far longer than it reasonably should.
          This.
          Some shows don't need to last the typical production runtime or for whole seasons, but cartoons aren't made with that philosophy.

          Ironically were starting to have the problem in an opposite direction in which ideas that would be better served by those 24 or 52 episode runs giving them the time to breathe are now confined to a 6-12 episode binge format.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >white israeli
          Impossible.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >snick
      What?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop saying “write-off” they can’t do that with shows they released

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes they can, see Megas XLR. You can write off anything, so long as you promise to never make a penny off of it again.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >keeping it on streaming
        So not a write off.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’ve never seen proof of this. The same thing was said about beware the Batman which is now on MAX.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So the Foster's cartoon is dead on arrival it seems.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That also means they might just nuked all of Craig's shit since he was working on the PPG re-reboot

      Im convinced that Lauren and Craig have a monkey's paw marriage. CN has fricked them over for decades to the point where you question if they both have stockholm syndrome everytime they come back to the place that mentally beats them into subserviancy only to come back for more

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        another reboot? seriously? I'd rather have a new similar show.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He already said on twitter, he's doing it because no network is taking on new shows, everyone is turning down his pitches and it's either returning to PPG or unemploiyment

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nick has comfortably accepted its purpose as the Sponge/Loud House variety network. It reboored FoP because I am convinced that Butch allowed them to use it as a sort of weird money laundering show and that show used to be good and then stopped being good

            They hesitatingly announced a bunch of Avatar content but we havent seen any of it just promotional stills but no actual trailer

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They hesitatingly announced a bunch of Avatar content but we havent seen any of it just promotional stills but no actual trailer
              I agree, it must be money laundering, I can't imagine who would be so stupid to announce a project 2 or 3 years before even starting to produce it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Avatar is popular. It would be stupid to announce a no name project that early, but when a franchise is bankable, they do that to give their stock a little bump and get some press.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >PPG and Fosters spin-off cancelled before even released.
        So does that mean?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Disney doesn't want male protagonists anymore, especially if they're not brown.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >orange man (with green hat) le bad

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Correct I hate that orange frick

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >CN has fricked them over for decades to the point where you question if they both have stockholm syndrome everytime they come back to the place that mentally beats them into subserviancy only to come back for more
        where else can they go? netflix finished with craig and killed lauren's 'owl house but actually good' project in the crib.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is the biggest damn problem. America's cartoon scene for decades was dominated by 3 channels, all with their own idiosyncrasies, all aimed squarely at kids. There was never any true "alternative" besides Comedy Central/Fox which was basically "TV14 hateful fart cartoon central" until the internet, and YouTube obliterated its animation scene with its godawful ad revenue frickery, and Netflix is Netflix. Once upon a time a promising alternative, now just another channel but online.

          If Adult Swim took over completely, maybe we might get pure creator driven shows. But maybe not and I'm being too hopeful

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Being one of the pre-2010 animators must fricking suck seeing how awful prospects for new shows have become compared to how easy and simple the pipeline was back then, in comparison of course

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There was never any true "alternative"
            MTV in the 90s experimented heavily with teen/adult-focused animation. I don't know whether to say that a lot of it preempted modern adultslop, proved why adultslop is the way it is, or directly led to the state of adultslop because animators decided Beavis and Butthead was the way forward instead of Æon Flux

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd take an improved version of the system Japan uses for animation and comics any day of the week. At its very core, it's people making their own comics which actually have even the slightest chance of being adapted into animated series. Take just that and strip out all the Japanese work obsessive work culture shit, and it'd be pretty nice to have over what we have currently.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The issue is without that work culture we get like 5 new shows a year on average while they get 20+

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not because of work culture. That's because they have numerous studios outputting animation. If animation here had a similar amount of studios, or even companies outputting animation in general, they'd be able to put out a much more comparable amount.
                America, for example, only has 47 animation studios while Japan is sitting on over 500.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, they pay their animators like shit. We'd have 500 studios too if we could pay people $500 a month. Hell, I'd commission my own fricking anime

                >$2 per frame
                >anime tricks and long panning shots that make it average out at like 4 frames per second
                >$8 per second
                >$480 per minute
                >$10k per episode
                It's totally doable lmao. Wasn't there some figure where the average western cartoon costs like $400k per episode?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Well, they pay their animators like shit.
                Still doesn't change the fact that we have frick-all studios in America, and most of them are directed towards children.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The problem is that nobody's been willing to spread out animation training and technical skill so that it can be done outside of animation schools and has pipelines outside of them. The modern managerial class and executives cannot understand labor and will not unless it's service based, and even then they're shit at it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In modern animation, now every character say "They" pronouns, If animation only spread propaganda nobody take it seriously

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hell, I'd commission my own fricking anime
                I've been hearing this everywhere and yet no one has ever commissioned his own anime.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do the Touhou fans who actually made the Phantasm of Memories anime count?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anime costs $150k per episode tho
                And that's typically seasonal shit and toy/card game commercial anime

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Same in euro countries

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's about what japanese crowfunding projects ask for. Of course they get paid in full and advance instead of having the money ruminate bunches of production commitees.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Americans still being stuck in 1980 while humanity advanced to 2024 is really something to behold

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Faust quits every single show she ever worked on after a year. She is impossible to work with majority of the time, and if crews do not quit on her she leaves in frustration.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Any proof?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not entirely. What about Checkered Past? Isn't that still going on? Seemed like that was doing well as more older Cartoon Network shows were starting to leave it and go on regular timeslots as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It always was. Who seriously wanted a preschool version of Foster's Home?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hot take: Foster's actually works out pretty well as a preschooler show. It's inherently an escapist and surreal concept that only works if you don't think about it and accept it at face value. Bloo alone is already is close to making it a quasi-object show. So for that one, I can see why it might appeal to really little kids more.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because the escapist fantasy nature of an imaginary friend appeals more to little kids? I mean I guess that makes sense rather than the mean-spirited attitude of the original that was marketed towards more big kids.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They had enough market research from the last time to prove that people don't watch CN for preschool content.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is a show on CN called Batwheels which is basically the stupidest premise for a show I have ever heard where the pitch was "What if we made a show about the Bat Mobile. Not BatMAN or even any of Batman's sidekicks...lets do a Nightrider style show about his fricking get away car."

      That stupid show was apparently made for a very young demographic but when someone was checking the ratings patterns guess the actual demo watching that show...20-30 year olds

      These are the people who watch Disney, Nick and CN content. Its literally just this board

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How the frick do they even get those ratings? I feel like this could be passed off as kids logged into their parents accounts, but no, some dumb executive actually thought adults were watching batwheels and decided the network drastically needed to be changed

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Im half convinced all the pre-existing ratings data and "focus tests" are all bullshit. I could maybe believe a time where they had to be a little less "deceptive" in how they learned the results of certain market research but ESG has proven to me that instead of actually trying to sell the public on the idea of ESG they gaslight them into thinking if they dont they'll regret their decision and it really didnt matter anyway because regardless its happening

          All these blackrock groups clearly dont give a shit about money. I think its telling how these billionaires envision a horrible fricking nightmare utopia where physical cash is not a priority to them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the actual demo watching that show...20-30 year olds

        How embarrassing. For the people watching.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GOTTA HAVE MY BATMAN!!!!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The viewers of most kids cartoons are 30+ year old lesbians

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could have sworn I heard that CN literally can't pivot to adult-oriented animation for some reason unless they want to be Adult Swim 24/7, and also 80% of their daytime viewers were between 24 and 40 years old at one point,

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you think Zaslav has been doing? AS literally starts at 5 in the afternoon now

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think that's the point. CN is meant as a children's-focused programming network, and I don't remember if that was enforced by broadcasting laws or reinforced by merchandise sales, but either way, they don't actually want adults as the primary audience which is why they pivoted so hard to preschool shows
          If that gambit fails, they have no choice but be absorbed into Adult Swim. I just don't recall what benefit they'd be losing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's probably some weird leftover policies from the Hays Code

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ?si=k7RDNrloh2ma729L They got drunk once, and yes this is real

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is literally an endless glut of free preschool cartoons on YouTube probably made in some Indonesian digital sweatshop. How did CN think this would work? Imagine trying to launch MTV in 2024, but not even showing music videos from hard rock and avant-garde musicians that might get eyeballs it wouldn't online from diehards, but literal bogstandard pop and trap. How out of touch do you have to be?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brian A. Miller made a tweet about how kids who turned to Cartoon Network for cartoons early in the morning that weren't for toddlers were betrayed by Tickle U, which is why that block didn't last long. Tickle U wasn't even a bad idea but it was unnecessary. Kids didn't need another preschool block. They just needed cartoons.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CN is dead and it was because it digged itself into its own grave.
    >Spamming TTG
    >Cancelling all of their future projects and sending the left over crumbs to AS or Amazon Prime because they were live action reality shows
    R.I.P.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The saturated eye bleeding color palette of that cartoon was an awful thing to see in the morning.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And to think all this could've been avoided if Western animation studios remembered that boobs exist.
    Coomers revolted against beanmouth and won. Kids want their edgy sexy animu if they're watching animation at all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kids want their edgy sexy animu if they're watching animation at all.
      Why do you think Warner brothers and Black Rock are now so desperately trying to barge its way into anime?
      They still don't get it, to be fair, and all their capeshit fauxnime shit still looks inauthentic like animated graphic novels instead of anime, but they're also trying to get it at the source.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They cant get people in the west that draw as good as the Japs and the Japs will never allow their weird obsession with black men to take root in Japan.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First part is a lie bullshit
          Westoids can draw anime just fine

          The problem is the studios don't actually want anime because it's too idealized and "pedophilic" and "problematic" and the network prezzes still don't think Americans like anime. That and about a hundred other reasons. It's entirely them b***hing that the thing they don't want to copy is killing them and they did nothing and they're all out of ideas on how to compete

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a Plebbit story but about 7 or 8 years ago, /r/socialism banned anime catgirls for being "objectifying to women" despite the fact everyone on the subreddit used them.
            This is exactly who is in control at the HR departments at your favorite networks and why female characters have to be either androgynous blobs or racially ambiguous landwhales (why else is beanmouth so common, it's basically globohomosexual the artstyle) and why everyone on ResetEra seethed at Stellar Blade even existing.
            They know anime is exponentially more popular than their slop, and the seethe and hatred they feel about it could blow up a Saiyan scouter

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Westoids can draw anime just fine
            I think that anon was stuck about a decade or decade and half ago when Westoids trying to draw anime always looked off and weird.
            They definitely can now, especially online artists.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta make space for Toonami on Fridays

    ?si=qxVQASRbekAu0m6P

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the hell ever happened to providing something for everyone?
      Adult Swim gets better ratings than anything CN/Cartoonito related no matter what the frick they air:
      >The push into 5 p.m. for Adult Swim comes after the first two weeks of its new 7 p.m. hour lifted tune-in among viewers 18 to 49 by 24%, with a 38% upswing in the 18-to-34 demo, compared with the previous Cartoon Network-branded schedule. Increases in the 18-to-49 bracket reached a peak of 66% on Mondays and 87% on Tuesdays, and the overall gains at 7 p.m. have carried over into the 8 p.m. hour. The network has risen to sixth place among ad-supported networks in prime-time compared with 12th in the weeks leading up to the expansion.

      Based Adult Swim taking over CN

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        will CN eventually become adult swim 24/7 or will it all be merged into a different name a la jetix/toon disney into disney XD?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TTG should air on Adult Swim just as a big frick you to Cartoon Network.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody's going to want kai reruns.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think you'd be surprised

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody's surprised. Your shit's fricking failing. Being "the guy that watched DBZ" means frick all for how good of an animator you are when nearly anyone can say the same thing about themselves.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Being "the guy that watched DBZ" means frick all for how good of an animator you are when nearly anyone can say the same thing about themselves.
            I never claimed to be an animator at all. You sound like you're replying to the wrong person.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anger is a sign that you know you're wrong on some level. If you were confident in your opinion, you wouldn't have to lash out.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what a schizo reply

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      will CN eventually become adult swim 24/7 or will it all be merged into a different name a la jetix/toon disney into disney XD?

      >will CN eventually become adult swim 24/7 or will it all be merged into a different name a la jetix/toon disney into disney XD?
      They already have a 24/7 Adult Swim channel in both Canada and LatAm, the LatAm one is probably the most similar to American Adult Swim since it has the Checkered Past and Toonami blocks while the Candian channel mostly airs Canadian slop due to laws and doesn't have any anime aside from the Adult Swim originals like Ninja Kamui

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ?si=a5eu1_8F5rd_iqkW

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The South American Adult Swim feed has Dragon Ball Z as part of Checkered Past, it doesn't make sense besides "Lol, it gets ratings put it there"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hope it isn't just anime and they rerun some action cartoons, then we'll truly be back

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good

      Kino

      Hope it isn't just anime and they rerun some action cartoons, then we'll truly be back

      I'm sure they can air Batman TAS, they probably won't air Superman TAS since they have MAWS on Saturday's Toonami (anything is better than Saturday's Toonami, they're replacing MAWS with the Rick & Morty anime once the former ends it's run, they already said so last week)

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the second fastest animated CN show's cancellation after Robotomy?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember anons shilling this crap before it came out, glad it was cancelled after only 20 eps

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are only 10 Ep's left of what was originally suppose to be another 40 Ep season. Ben Levin, the Co Creator of CotC straight up admitted his original ambition was to just have the show go on forever meaning this season which was originally scheduled for 40 Ep's still wasnt his ideal ambition to end the series. In his world, this would have gone on the way Rugrats or Loud House did where you would have eventually seen it go on for so long you'd have seen true garbage like...school Ep

      Which thank fricking christ CotC does not have. The creek literally became boring enough after like 2 Ep's

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t watch it for the Creek, you watch it for the characters.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Look up who the frick Matt Acuña is
    >He's a writer for The Great North and Bob's Burgers
    Lmao

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CN IS DEAD AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Watching CN execs completely abandon any audience older than 5 has been insane. Suicidal delusion that they thought this would save the company

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Listen, anon. Most network executives are high on coke 24/7 and the only way their decisions will make sense to you is if you're high on coke too. Cocaine is instant bad idea powder, just add nose.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where do you think they spend the ESG money? They dont care who showruns the ESG content so long as the money enters their hands to spend on that coke.

        Blackrock has endless money so endless cocaine

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's your only goal as an executive. On your first day, you get a cocaine bucket, and your job is to make sure that bucket is never empty.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > Blackrock

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this thing that is literally not a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory because............................

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i sure hope this is about the increasing monopoly in the entertainment industry and the greedy practices of most companies, surely it isn’t about being too woke, right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's one and the same, anon, you've just been conditioned to assume anyone talking about "le woke" is some /misc/schizo skinhead

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Giving huge grants based on specific content mandates and oaths is just a soft form of tax evasion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I bet he is going to make a point about how the cartoon industry wants to make more profit and squeeze every drop of money from it's public rather than allow a developer to work on his artistic vision, right ??

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        things would actually be interesting if it was coke fueled
        this is just soulless trendchasing at its purest

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      CN has had a huge identity crisis for what feels like forever. There was a time it was non debatably doing better then both Nick and Disney but instead of just comfortable coasting on the realization how Kids WB, Miguzi and Toonami pretty much had a hard monopoly on dubbed anime content they fell into really stupid "who gives a shit principals"

      You notice how because Nick and Disney had live action shows that were super successful despite being super underbudget all the time and it was a perfect money laundering loop. Synder wanted in on that. In fact, he wanted in on that so badly he got it in his head that CN should appeal to teens but only produce slop you'd see from either Teen Nick or Disney programs

      Then when Miller became CEO she had a similar complaint. Baring Spongebob the biggest outlet of expendable income came from the Nick Jr brand and that was because it had all sorts of shows making countless millions of dollars in merch money and she wanted to know why the company wasnt capitalizing on this either

      Zaslav is a weird combination of both Synder and Miller's beliefs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Their reasoning does make sense they just overestimated how big the market was. Nick Jr completely satisfied the market they were aiming for and there just wasn't any room for more content for that demographic to be popular

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It also doesnt help how kids of that demographic have shit taste anyway since its not like the entire Nick jr brand prints money only a small handful of shows that loop on forever

          See Nick Jr copied the PBS Kids method of content where shows originally stand alone were also made for merch purposes like Arthur and anything from the Henson corporation

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >checks out what CN is doing
    >sees all the gay propaganda
    >"hey isn't this channel supposed to be for kids or something?"
    >CN proceed to damage control and cancel everything to appeal to young kids (toddlers)
    >years later after cancelling a bunch of stuff he decided on a whim to check out what CN is doing again
    >sees all the toddler shit
    >"hey isn't this a kids channel and not a toddler channel?"
    >repeat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What’s up with execs being too fat to wear a tie these days? He’s not fooling anyone. That collar will not button.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope zaslav dies from being suffocated into the vegana of a b***h from my 900lb life

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too good a death for him
        besides that's how I want to go

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >think that making shows for toddlers is the way to go
    >turns out the biggest demographic are 20s to 30s stoners
    How did they not know this? Knowing who's watching your channel is your job.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They wont buy merch. More specifically they wont buy merch of the committee driven shows.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bought merch for summer camp island before they axed their online store page sometime around 2020

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lucky b***h, I should have tried it out.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should just put the toddler shows on youtube and tiktok and anywhere else kids watch stuff.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They do. Havent you heard of Cocomelon? Its the most well known toddler show in existence and its bigger then even the biggest syndicated toddler shows

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I buy merch for cartoons when they make it, the problem is most cartoons dont get merch nowadays because execs dont want to make merch for said shows

        >They knew, but wanted to repel that demographic and try to get the younger one
        Has this ever worked? Has the "boot your existing audience who loves you to appeal to a new demographic" plan ever worked? I think I understand it in theory, but in practice it'd be like throwing your food away in hopes that new and perhaps better food will show up for you to eat. I find the whole concept strange and out of touch; must be all the cocaine the bosses are sniffing.

        I know one of the CN execs, chrstinia miller, was a huge soccer mom so i think there was a general mindset that cartoons should only be for children

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They knew, but wanted to repel that demographic and try to get the younger one, but it didn't work since little kids nowadays only watch Youtube and Tiktok videos.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They knew, but wanted to repel that demographic and try to get the younger one
        Has this ever worked? Has the "boot your existing audience who loves you to appeal to a new demographic" plan ever worked? I think I understand it in theory, but in practice it'd be like throwing your food away in hopes that new and perhaps better food will show up for you to eat. I find the whole concept strange and out of touch; must be all the cocaine the bosses are sniffing.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It only works in niche hobbyist contexts where the IP breaches the mainstream.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, but like prevent defense they can gaslight themselves into believing it.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Children's cartoons aren't art for art's sake. They're corporate products designed by committees and child psychologists to maximize merchandise sales and syndication views for specific demographics, directed by executives who seek to maximize profit and often created by extremely craft-traditionalists who view Western animation canon as something simultaneously sacrosanct and worthy of deconstruction. Animators and artists enter this industry idealistic about the idea of creative human expression, but the only expression conventionally allowed on cable television is a specific narrow brand that comes prepackaged and heavily filtered by parent's groups and focus tested charts and graphs.
    This is why Helluva Boss and Digital Circus blew up: animators who needn't bother with the cable studio system and had greater freedom to express ideas, though Vivzie's ideas still tend to be made for the explicit approval of a very Twitter-centric demographic, it still was a mortal blow to the cable system. If Helluva Boss aired on cable TV, it either would have been forced to have a much more generic "standard adult cartoon" artstyle or been forced to tone down and restrain its writing and themes to fit a TV-Y7 audience because the charts say that adults prefer static and flat motion not getting in the way of the jokes, and also to save costs, it would be beanmouth. And at that point, just watch anime.

    The final stage of cable TV animation was inevitable. Unlike the reaction against toy commercial cartoons of the 80s, streaming makes it impossible for cable animation to have a revival from dedicated animation auteurs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ADC
      >Soul

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing the entire animation industry from top to bottom, ceo to Korean intermediate, to Flip slave shop worker all flail trying to save themselves by doing rapid 180s on action and on appealing to preschoolers because Japan and Youtube are eating the market is hilarious.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What mature cartoons? Cartoon Network hasn't made a cartoon that wasn't for toddlers/autists since the ThunderCats reboot in 2012.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there will be another new brown girl cartoon fights depression or whatever next week

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hahahaahha get fricked, frick cartoonito and frick toddlerslop

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to this channel, any mockery it gets is deserved

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Steven Universe has had no positive influence on animation, it’s the reason why we got Velma or I Am Not Starfire

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        SU is just bad show in general. Even on its own terms, the pacing, world building, and character development are fricking atrocious and to this day I have no idea how people are convinced its good

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Why are people convinced it's good
          Well firstly it is actually good at all those things you mentioned

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it isn't

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Genuinely it’s had 0 good influence on animation, without it we wouldn’t have liberal propaganda shows

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I have no idea how people are convinced its good
          Perhaps they got bot farms in their control

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It started out with promise and then barreled headfirst into bullshit territory but people Stockholm Syndromed themselves into thinking it was good cuz the hiatuses were so huge people were just hoping that the batches of episodes they did get were at least okay-ish.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What did you expect from a series that took so many inspiration Adventure Time down to even the animation errors?
          Both were the aids that killed CN for allowing so many tumblr hacks into the industry

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >turns out that didn't work at all and now CN is backpedaling hard
    Nothing short of airing anime in the daytime is going to recover those ratings. Cable TV in general is pretty much dead if you aren't a Boomer (literally) or a boomer (over-25 years old).
    I don't even know how channels like the Weather Channel are still on air (they don't even have the funky jazzy Local on the 8s music, so what's the point?)
    History Channel already has paranoid white guys obsessed with aliens locked down
    What exactly does Cartoon Network have? What did it have 5 years ago? Written-By-Writers bean-shaped mouth cartoons?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not even like adult animation is in a better state, let's be real
    I'd take beanmouth calarts over whatever the frick Netflix and Fox Block keeps making

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Network executives forcing kids to like a trend summed up:

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pedos upset their pedoshow gets cancelled
    Good. Frick pedos

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Invincible Fight Girl was coming to CN
    >CN didn't care about action shows so it got moved to Adult Swim instead

    CN just keeps on losing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Again, we don’t even know where it’s going. I’m pretty sure the Adult Swim thing is a rumor.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are they actually separate entities? I always thought it was the same thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bottom left corner. Isn't that just Shampoo's grandmother?
      Holy shit, is the creator a "Dobson if successful" bizarro version?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this even still happening? Seems like it's been radio silent for a weirdly long time. Not even drops of hints or anything in quite a while.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    traditional kid's cartoons are dying because kids can just watch cartoons free on youtube.
    Parents aren't going to get a streaming service specifically for children programming.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >decide to make Tickle-U AGAIN
    >bomb AGAIN
    what a surprise

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're all missing the lumber for the trees. The reason kids don't watch cable anymore is because there's no good content on cable anymore. For a good 30 years the joke has been that cable is a tremendous waste of money because you have to pay a hundred bucks a month for maybe three shows you consistently watch, which is why the internet got so popular in the first place. Better content value. People would watch Cartoon Network if there was stuff on CN worth watching. Kids are absolutely dying for content that isn't neutered garbage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based answer. I may be nostalgic for it, but I hated cable TV as a kid and always dreamed of a set up where I could watch whatever I wanted whenever I wanted, full playback and rewindability. No more waiting for TV Guide to show what would air when and hoping it was at least one of the episodes I wanted. And that was circa 2004, 2005. My dad always told me it was worse in the 70s and 80s because cartoons only came on Saturdays and just about always sucked ass.
      Zoomers don't know how good they have it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You're all missing the lumber for the trees. The reason kids don't watch cable anymore is because there's no good content on cable anymore.
      Not true. Kids don't watch cable because the internet/streaming is INHERENTLY better in every conceivable way.

      Cable:
      >ads. Shows were made entirely around commercial breaks and you could expect at least two 4-minute long commercial breaks in a 22-minute cartoon, sometimes more than that
      > preset schedule. You got TV Guide or the TV Guide Channel to find out if a program was even airing and what episode would air, then you planned your schedule around it
      > Straight to the end. Unless you had a VCR, DVR, or Tivo, no rewinding. If you missed something, you missed something.

      Streaming:
      >adblock exists, so you might never see an ad unless it's baked into something (cartoons wouldn't have this problem compared to video essays and let's plays)
      > on-demand 24/7. No need to wait for something to air, you can search for anything specifically and get it immediately
      > total control over how to watch it. Pause, rewind, edit it in real time in some cases
      > worldwide community to interact with

      Literally why would anyone go back to cable unless you grew up with it and are nostalgic for wasting 10 minutes in every half-hour watching goyslop commercials you can't skip

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >never see an ad unless it's baked into something (cartoons wouldn't have this problem compared to video essays and let's plays)
        Sponsorblock exists too for YT, so that gets rid of the baked in sponsor shill stuff

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >shit talks commercial breaks, posts image that reawakens childhood nostalgia

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          THE TIGER POSTER

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is teen titans go the only cartoon that they have left?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That, Craig of the Creek, and Gumball
      That's really it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is teen titans go the only cartoon that they have left?

        How has TTG lasted this long? What sort of black sorcery is this?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        How has TTG lasted this long? What sort of black sorcery is this?

        Craig is on its last few episodes anyway so that's already nearly out the door too. At this rate they'll only have Checkered Past left.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh so things are even worse than I thought
          Such a shame CN dug their own grave, they used to be my favorite

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does this mean that they will finally announce the premiere date for Mao Mao season 2?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They never even finished the season before it was shitcanned

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn’t finish it?
        I thought it was frozen-ready to air?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      September 31

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking about CN cartoons, here is a list of them by year of release. You can notice the various changes in the channel’s history.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >fricking nothing in 2009
      Thanks CN Real
      >2021 to 2023 only had one show premier
      Now that's just sad.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How the frick did Vincent and Vawhatever outlast Mao Mao
      Yeah, Vincent died eventually too but it getting more episodes is proof this planet has no taste and needs a reset button

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This I assume is missing a bunch unless it's a regional thing, because there should be a bunch of lego shows and TTGO at a minimum right?

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is this anything but a win, you guys? Maybe now CN will stop being exclusively toddler slop

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The CN I knew I love is dead and gone, and has been for a long time. What's left behind a skin suited piloted but equally soulless ghouls.

      At this point, it would be a mercy killing just to see the whole thing go up in flames (which isn't far off from the looks of it)

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I still want to see it produce good shit again since theres nothing being made exclusively for max that is of any worth on the cartoon side of things

        It's a massive waste of money for something anyone could've said was a bad idea from the start

        I have no idea why they kept doubling down on toddler slop for so long. Ever since shit like summer camp island came out CN shows became more dry, infantilized, and saccharine and inoffensive until they straight up stopped pretending to he anything other then preschool cartoons when they launched cartoonito and put on literal preschool shit. Im so glad this trend is fricking dead maybe now CN will produce something of worth again. Even if it does die its cathartic to see it succumb to the wounds of an issue ive hated for years now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a massive waste of money for something anyone could've said was a bad idea from the start

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cartoon Network needing the manchild audience to survive speaks more about the failings of our society than anything. Grow the frick up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WAGHHHHHHHUUUUU WHY DONT YOU ONLY WATCH SHITTY ADULT SHOWS LIKE LAME OF THRONES OR SOMETHING EQUALLY SHITTY
      Frick off normie

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grow up and do what? Work as a wagie at a dead end job that will lay you off to save money?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they realize finally that people are having less children?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This will low-key kill a whole bunch of industries.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This will low-key kill a whole bunch of industries.

      Thats what happens when women dont wanna open their damn legs to men anymore

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Probably. Maybe they'll start trying to market to the teen to older teen audience maybe.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kai

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sailor Moon
      >Kai
      >Naruto
      We could have shit like Yu Yu Hakusho, Big O, Outlaw Star, or anything else instead. This is a fricking awful lineup.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Big O
        That is unironically pretty shit. Very cliche characters and only very few standout episodes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Season 1 was good as a Jazzy Mecha batman show but season 2 leaned into its bullshit way to hard.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I didn’t like season 1 either. I know that a lot of Cinemaphile is ok with shallow characters but for me there were so few memorable episodes. The one with the robot playing an instrument was probably the best.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Fair, its way more of a moodpiece than a character based affair.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sailor Moon is alright, peak unintentionally funny

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uncensored Sailor Moon should be good. No more kissing cousins just kissing lesbians.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DIC dub for all it's flaws had way better voice acting though.
          The Viz dub cast is so wooden and they all sound the same.

          That said, they need to redub DBZ so they can actually show that instead of Kai. It's pretty clear someone at AS or Crunchy regards the Funi dub as an old shame.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That said, they need to redub DBZ so they can actually show that instead of Kai
            With the best English Freeza dead, I think they know that it simply won't be as good.
            I would think Kai is objectively superior to the OG if not for the "modern" animation they use at times since not all the cels could be found, but I'm pretty sure Legend of the Galactic Heroes has the same thing and I've never heard anyone complain about it there for some reason

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >best English Freeza dead
              They had Mills as Ayres' understudy for a reason.

              There's also the chance that Toei, if prompted by Toonami, could take it upon themselves and find a cast outwith Crunchyroll (like the Chinook/Blue Water dubs of DB and GT for the UK or the Bang Zoom dub of Super for SEA; Toei still work with Ocean as of DQ Dai 2020).

              >superior to the OG if not for the "modern" animation
              It's the blurry transfer and the music for me. The music in OG Z can get very repetitive but it wasn't as limited and haphazardly placed like the Kikuchi replacement music in Kai (it's too bad because I actually liked Yamamoto's ""original"" score for Kai).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it wasn't as limited and haphazardly placed like the Kikuchi replacement music in Kai
                Honestly I forgot that was even a thing since I'm pretty sure it was only retroactively removed in some releases/currently airing stuff. In the bluray I have it has the """"original"""" Yamamoto OST up until I think the last two or so episodes. Even has the """"original"""" with the dub as well.
                Also the censorship is bullshit but that goes hand in hand with the reanimated scenes looking like shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >DIC dub for all it's flaws had way better voice acting though.
            Frick you

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, yes, I must go down to my local ahnime store, so that I may participate in a ka-ra-o-ke competition all while sounding like I don't want to be there, Ami.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Which one had Sailoor Moon voice sound like 45 year old Karen lady?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >DIC dub
            It was still just a bastardized shitty version of Sailor Moon.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        off yourself zoomer, Naruto and Sailoor Moon are the peak essence of all anime

      • 4 weeks ago
        AccelΔX

        Crunchyroll got the airing rights to YYH

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sailor Moon
      >Kai
      >Naruto
      We could have shit like Yu Yu Hakusho, Big O, Outlaw Star, or anything else instead. This is a fricking awful lineup.

      Sailor Moon is fine, Kai being there sucks since that show is on Saturday's Toonami already

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Kino
      [...]
      I'm sure they can air Batman TAS, they probably won't air Superman TAS since they have MAWS on Saturday's Toonami (anything is better than Saturday's Toonami, they're replacing MAWS with the Rick & Morty anime once the former ends it's run, they already said so last week)

      This was a slightly better lineup

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        soulful graphic design good lord

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    🙂

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when 'CN GOING TODDLER" was just a theory/rumor here
    Was it ever explicitly laid out anywhere at some point? Weird to see it recognized like this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Meme magic is real

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When they released an entire animation block about toddler cartoons.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The frick is Mr Bean doing there?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cheap as frick license

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The fact you immediately recognized him answers your question

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shows pretty meh but yeah the decisions Warner and paramount and even Netflix and Disney are making are pretty questionable and bad. Nickelodeon is basically dead except the few times they change the schedule or do something for events and holidays

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bob's Burgers writer b***hing over his show not being picked up

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's like 5 different conversations going on in this one thread. Why aren't most threads like this instead of ragebaiting chuds with Xitter images?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >instead of ragebaiting chuds with Xitter images?

      >in a thread whose OP is literally two tweet screenshots

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After what they did to Mao Mao this network deserves everything bad that happens to it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/tBLdQbV.png

      >cartoon network cancels/tax write off all it's "mature" cartoons, literally deciding to change it's entire audience out of no where
      >turns out that didn't work at all and now CN is backpedaling hard
      lol

      Though for the record, Mao Mao wasn't actually written off.
      They TRIED to write it off though.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine Cartoon Network just stops tomorrow. Would anyone care?

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not posting Black folk and mexicans as promo for your cartoon might be helpfull. Just change them into furries and then blackcode them later

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fionna and Cake saved western animation.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't, if anything it's actually hilarious how fast everyone forgot about it after that shit finale

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn’t it getting a second season?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          supposedly, but what else will they make it about

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Clearly what we need is a Furiosa cartoon

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you didn't stop caring about Cartoon Network 20+ years ago, you're either moronic or under 25 (which means you're moronic and also gay).

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek and now Owen Dennis can't try to pitch a continuation of Infinity Train because he's stuck working on the FOP reboot and a fricking Among Us cartoon

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't believe anyone posting on Cinemaphile gives a shit about cable tv.

  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cartoon Network Devs
    >What we have isn't working
    >Let's try something else
    >We are looking to hire people for this new thing
    >Now that we have tried it we learned it isn't effective. Let's stop and try something else.
    >We are now hiring for something else.

    Internet morons
    >First they want something. Than they don't! LOL
    >How stupid of them to try something and not succeed. They should be like me, never attempt anything, and laugh at people who fail. I am very smart. If I ran a bussiness I wouldn't do stupid things but I'm not going to actually try doing it. Trust me dude, I would never fail at anything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we didn't listen to people saying an idea was bad and now suffering for it
      >it will cost money to undo this mistake
      >the people who said the idea was bad are at fault for this

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