In-jokes ("memes") aside, it's actually a smart satire.
>Humans perceived by an outside group would see us as some ultimate evil >the Ape society is however just as brutal and violent, and can't see their own hypocricy >Early on the Americans talk big about how they're going to kings within weeks, only to be enslaved themselves >The Human-Western view is flipped, where they are now the indiginous peoples being trampled by more technologically advanced colonizers who enslave and exploit them (ie humans are now native americans) >Zaius and the ape society is led by social conservatives who believe that their mythology must be maintained and hide away facts - obvious analogy to religin. >Apparently the original novel is some critique of french culture or something
yeah the original novel takes place in Paris and has shit like monkeys flying old timey airplanes. It's very bizarre and the 1968 movie does a great job of actually giving it real purpose
Oh and the sequels are shit because they drop the satire elements, for just some Ape vs humans vs big head stories. Like, the apes were clearly just following the same path as the humans so it's lame some outsider group ends up causing the destruction. and lame that there are hyper evolved humans to begin with since that ruins the premise entirely.
To make a proper sequel, the increasingly expansionist Ape empires start to war with each other, with some finding human weapons and it becomes an arms race. One finds a nuke and sets it to detonate and then boom ending.
yeah the original novel takes place in Paris and has shit like monkeys flying old timey airplanes. It's very bizarre and the 1968 movie does a great job of actually giving it real purpose
for what it's worth, the Burton movie actually follows the novel a little bit more closely in some regards. both have the astronauts owning a pet chimpanzee, both end with the planet actually not being Earth and when the astronaut goes to Earth he realizes it's fucked up by apes too, etc. But it's clear that the novel is more commentary on class struggles in France whereas the 1968 movie actually seems to have a clearer message of satire and hysteria. I'm not really sure what the fuck the Burton movie was trying to be though
>I'm not really sure what the fuck the Burton movie was trying to be though
Nostalgia cash grab when those were first starting to take off. There was a few in the 90's like Adam's Family and Batman. Mark Mark is big, Apes is big, this will make dosh.
Yeah the 2000s cash grabs were fucking weird though. I feel like the ones in the '90s had a general theme of picking up and giving Hollywood films to old properties that hadn't seen attention in a while: pulp comics, popular TV shows from the 50s and 60s, etc. But once we got to the 2000s, it started becoming a lot of remakes of films that already existed. There was also this weird obsession that started in the late '90s with the trying to feature length live action movies to cartoon characters that already had a lot of media, like the Chipmunks or the Grinch or the Smurfs. Planet of the apes definitely fell into that trap of just being a pointless remake of a better movie
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It was Hollywood canibalizing itself and they started with the media that the boomers were nostalgic for in the 80's and 90's so a lot of 50's and 60's properties. Notice how much 50's nostalgia there was in the 80's and how much 60's nostalgia in the 90's? There's like 30 years from when kids grow up and become parents and media consumers themselves so they get to direct new media waxing nostalgic. 1980 to 2010 was why we got the 80's revival. We're also dipping our toes into 90's nostalgia too.
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yeah I was going to go into the generational stuff because you're spot on, but I was also thinking about how some people are so fucking sick of everything having to be about generational stuff so just avoided it. but you are 100% right and now that millennials are the big demographic of middle aged adults they're amping up the '90s and 2000s nostalgia
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There's definitely a 30 year delay, and Hollywood is going down the checklist of big properties from the 50's onwards to see what they can mine. So everything is just sequels/reboots/adaptions now. And they're also aimin them at Chinese and shit so they're less sophisticated and big explosions.
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Wonder what they'll do in ten years when there's nothing new left to reboot. Will they just human centipede it, with reboots of reboots?
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>90's nostalgia
Just kill me.
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>Wahlberg had backed out of a commitment to Ocean's Eleven to take this role in Planet of the Apes (Matt Damon was eventually cast in the Ocean's Eleven role).[4] Whereas other actors contending for the Leo Davidson role wanted to see the script before signing a contract,[5] Wahlberg signed on after a five-minute meeting with Burton.[6] To avoid evoking associations with his previous work as an underwear model, Wahlberg did not wear a loincloth, even though Heston had worn one in the original film.
bwahahaha Ari done fucked up
He was just trying to keep the peace.
Attempting to stop a war from happening between apes and humans is the one thing he had been doing his entire life, he knew full well that if the truth about what was in the forbidden zone was revealed or the fact that these strange humans could talk, would cause chaos within his own society.
I loved the setting but I don't see what was the point of five sequels when only one gakes place in the *actual* planet of the apes.
Even the reboot series is more interesting than those. A shame the tv show is very inconsistent.
GET YOUR PAWS OFF ME YOU DIRTY APE
NO.
>I hate every chimp I see
>He can Chuck? He can Chuck! He can Chuck! He can Chuck!
I can SNEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
DR ZAIUS
DR ZAIUS
🙂
OOOOHHH DR. ZAIUS
In-jokes ("memes") aside, it's actually a smart satire.
>Humans perceived by an outside group would see us as some ultimate evil
>the Ape society is however just as brutal and violent, and can't see their own hypocricy
>Early on the Americans talk big about how they're going to kings within weeks, only to be enslaved themselves
>The Human-Western view is flipped, where they are now the indiginous peoples being trampled by more technologically advanced colonizers who enslave and exploit them (ie humans are now native americans)
>Zaius and the ape society is led by social conservatives who believe that their mythology must be maintained and hide away facts - obvious analogy to religin.
>Apparently the original novel is some critique of french culture or something
yeah the original novel takes place in Paris and has shit like monkeys flying old timey airplanes. It's very bizarre and the 1968 movie does a great job of actually giving it real purpose
Oh and the sequels are shit because they drop the satire elements, for just some Ape vs humans vs big head stories. Like, the apes were clearly just following the same path as the humans so it's lame some outsider group ends up causing the destruction. and lame that there are hyper evolved humans to begin with since that ruins the premise entirely.
To make a proper sequel, the increasingly expansionist Ape empires start to war with each other, with some finding human weapons and it becomes an arms race. One finds a nuke and sets it to detonate and then boom ending.
for what it's worth, the Burton movie actually follows the novel a little bit more closely in some regards. both have the astronauts owning a pet chimpanzee, both end with the planet actually not being Earth and when the astronaut goes to Earth he realizes it's fucked up by apes too, etc. But it's clear that the novel is more commentary on class struggles in France whereas the 1968 movie actually seems to have a clearer message of satire and hysteria. I'm not really sure what the fuck the Burton movie was trying to be though
>I'm not really sure what the fuck the Burton movie was trying to be though
Nostalgia cash grab when those were first starting to take off. There was a few in the 90's like Adam's Family and Batman. Mark Mark is big, Apes is big, this will make dosh.
Yeah the 2000s cash grabs were fucking weird though. I feel like the ones in the '90s had a general theme of picking up and giving Hollywood films to old properties that hadn't seen attention in a while: pulp comics, popular TV shows from the 50s and 60s, etc. But once we got to the 2000s, it started becoming a lot of remakes of films that already existed. There was also this weird obsession that started in the late '90s with the trying to feature length live action movies to cartoon characters that already had a lot of media, like the Chipmunks or the Grinch or the Smurfs. Planet of the apes definitely fell into that trap of just being a pointless remake of a better movie
It was Hollywood canibalizing itself and they started with the media that the boomers were nostalgic for in the 80's and 90's so a lot of 50's and 60's properties. Notice how much 50's nostalgia there was in the 80's and how much 60's nostalgia in the 90's? There's like 30 years from when kids grow up and become parents and media consumers themselves so they get to direct new media waxing nostalgic. 1980 to 2010 was why we got the 80's revival. We're also dipping our toes into 90's nostalgia too.
yeah I was going to go into the generational stuff because you're spot on, but I was also thinking about how some people are so fucking sick of everything having to be about generational stuff so just avoided it. but you are 100% right and now that millennials are the big demographic of middle aged adults they're amping up the '90s and 2000s nostalgia
There's definitely a 30 year delay, and Hollywood is going down the checklist of big properties from the 50's onwards to see what they can mine. So everything is just sequels/reboots/adaptions now. And they're also aimin them at Chinese and shit so they're less sophisticated and big explosions.
Wonder what they'll do in ten years when there's nothing new left to reboot. Will they just human centipede it, with reboots of reboots?
>90's nostalgia
Just kill me.
>Wahlberg had backed out of a commitment to Ocean's Eleven to take this role in Planet of the Apes (Matt Damon was eventually cast in the Ocean's Eleven role).[4] Whereas other actors contending for the Leo Davidson role wanted to see the script before signing a contract,[5] Wahlberg signed on after a five-minute meeting with Burton.[6] To avoid evoking associations with his previous work as an underwear model, Wahlberg did not wear a loincloth, even though Heston had worn one in the original film.
bwahahaha Ari done fucked up
>colonialism... LE BAD
Oy vey how insightful.
It's cliche now but it's an interesting point in the 60's. A story reversing colonier versus colonized.
He said Taylor was lazy and that's just not true.
they did a really good job with the ape characterization in this film
>did nothing wrong
He lobotomized a guy.
He had it coming.
victim of his time
He was just trying to keep the peace.
Attempting to stop a war from happening between apes and humans is the one thing he had been doing his entire life, he knew full well that if the truth about what was in the forbidden zone was revealed or the fact that these strange humans could talk, would cause chaos within his own society.
He was most certainly the next Hitler.
Had to be done. Based Zaius had to do it to maintain civilization. He's the real hero.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME?
I think you're crazy
he's also lazy
DR. SNEEDUS
DR. SNEEDUS
CAN I PLAY THE PIANO ANY MORE?
OF COURSE YOU CAN!
WELL I COULDN'T BEFORE!
>plays amazing piano refrain of the song's chorus
I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-Zee
You'll never make a monkey out of me
I loved the setting but I don't see what was the point of five sequels when only one gakes place in the *actual* planet of the apes.
Even the reboot series is more interesting than those. A shame the tv show is very inconsistent.
can i play the piano anymore?
Of course you can
well i couldn't sneed!
I LOVE YOU DR ZAIUS!
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