Civilian life in Star Trek

What's life like for the typical Federation citizen who is not in Starfleet?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A week or so ago an anon was asking for name suggestions for a ship. If by chance you are here, what did you decide on?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Poll they posted in another thread https://strawpoll.com/6QnMQmEWlne

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm letting the masses decide

      https://strawpoll.com/6QnMQmEWlne

      Moonraker seems to be the choice but I'm still gonna keep it going till tonight just because I like letting people vote.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm the guy who proposed Chandasekhar and I expected nothing more than a "huh, neat." I'm pleasantly surprised it even made it into a poll. Thanks dude.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          No worries, I really like Indian names, I think they're pretty fun to say aloud and there was actual thought behind using his name, thanks for the suggestion. Even if it doesn't get used for the players ship, I'll probably use it somewhere else.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Even if it doesn't get used for the players ship, I'll probably use it somewhere else.
            I know you are naming it after the sail but, if Moonraker wins you need some James Bond / Roger Moore reference.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Good point. I was actually racking my brain for the captains name. How about I just mash them together? James Moore?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                James Bond is Commander Bond. So you could have Commander Bond be the first officer. Or just as you say some Captain James Moore or Roger Bond. Or just simply have Captain Roger Moore or Captain James Bond. Really too much of a deep cut for people to pickup but, the M in the Fleming novels is an admiral (he is named Miles Messervy) which is also true for the M that appears in the film Moonraker played by Bernard Lee

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You should brush up on your puns if you are going with that.

                James Bond is Commander Bond. So you could have Commander Bond be the first officer. Or just as you say some Captain James Moore or Roger Bond. Or just simply have Captain Roger Moore or Captain James Bond. Really too much of a deep cut for people to pickup but, the M in the Fleming novels is an admiral (he is named Miles Messervy) which is also true for the M that appears in the film Moonraker played by Bernard Lee

                Checked. Also, it is probably too much of a stretch and awkward for anon to do anything but, it just reminded that both James Bond and Star Trek have a Q.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >puns
                that and one-liners
                https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BondOneLiner/JamesBond

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Even if it doesn't get used for the players ship, I'll probably use it somewhere else.
            I know you are naming it after the sail but, if Moonraker wins you need some James Bond / Roger Moore reference.

            Also the alien race should be called the Skerryvore as a reference to this.

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      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What exactly are you doing? You got characters or stories also done?

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Waiting in line to use the public holodeck for 30 minutes to frick arna de armas.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hacking all my local holodecks to make holo-prostitutes morph into Steve Buscemi at the moment of climax.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Tfw you will never experience Vulcan Love Slave.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Someone had to clean the cabin after T'Misc and Trip had wild, unhinged sex
        They should've gotten hazard pay for that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          ha

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      if individual ships can have holodecks why would there be community holodecks? most people would just have their own rooms

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The holodeck is pretty big and most people living in cities would have tiny apartments not big enough for one. Some people have room for an inground pool in the suburbs but for those in the city they would probably have to use public facilities.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          there's more than a thousand of people on the enterprise and it's an ultramodern military ship, i doubt normal people like you or me could afford private holodeck

          the enterprise has 16 holodecks, which suggests they aren't as expensive as you're making them out to be

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's not about the cost but the size. You can't just put one in your 1 bedroom apartment in a city. If you live in a small town or rural area then it's not problem at all. The holodeck is pretty big.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you have to live in a shoebox in the city when you could live in the middle of nowhere where there is loads of space. You can just teleport to the city instantly for whatever reason you want anyway.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >live in supposed utopia
              >have to be in a small bedroom sized apartment
              huh so i guess kirk really fricked some people over with his double-wide shoebox then

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's just how people live in the star trek universe. The population on earth is probably around 9-10billion so cities would still exist. Even though farmland wouldn't be necessary because of replicators. People just choose to live in cities I guess.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                jewisraelite abrams congested dystopian future cities are so ugly

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and if you think the people in those high-risers are living in squalor you're mistaken, that's all luxury condos with complementary private holodeck rooms

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >living in squalor
                Even a 4 bedroom apartment isn't all that big. Much smaller than a holodeck on the enterprise. That doesn't mean they are living in squalor.

                Space would still be limited. They would be really small holodecks. But if all you're using them for is fricking then they can be the size of a single bedroom.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Even a 4 bedroom apartment isn't all that big
                maybe in japan but in the rest of the world it's a decent sized building anon, that's at least two bathrooms and maybe even a second kitchen, plus living space

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >around 9-10billion
                No, Indians and all of Africa are also living in a post-scarcity society. They will only have 2 children max. I assume Earth's population in Picard's era should be around 4-5 billion.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This is what San Francisco would look like in 2024 if NIMBYs didn't exist

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              it's ok, I'll just settle on some planet near the Cardassian border.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        there's more than a thousand of people on the enterprise and it's an ultramodern military ship, i doubt normal people like you or me could afford private holodeck

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          replicators would just shit out the parts and all you need is a bunch of mexicans to assemble them into a room. The problem would be having enough space for one.

          Considering you can feed any matter into a replicator to create anything, everything would be dirt cheap or free. You could use literal dirt, have it broken down into quarks and reassembled into any atom. Since they have anti-matter power plants the energy cost to do so would be nothing.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Holodecks require a lot of power and maintenance.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Can't you just replicate the power source needed?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Within limits. They can replicate batteries but not a warp reactor. They are coated in elements that cannot be replicated.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >if individual ships can have holodecks why would there be community holodecks? most people would just have their own rooms

        It's well established:
        - Holodecks require a lot of energy and computing power
        - Warpcores need a lot of fuel and maintenance
        - There are transporter credits, so holodeck credits are also likely
        - You have to book time for a holodeck

        I also believe that earth isn't literally a paradise with endless everything. It's more like a decent UBI, with teleporter stamps.

        All this is not accounting for Federation citizen being some holier than you utopian people, who have no interest in being degenerated in holodecks.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >All this is not accounting for Federation citizen being some holier than you utopian people, who have no interest in being degenerated in holodecks.
          It's not even a holier than thou thing. Here, now, today, we see the negative effects of too much social media/dopamine economy for adults and especially iPad kids. By then they'll have even more actionable data.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Everything is free forever automatically
    >This is the life, oh well, for no reason I'll be a janitor and clean other people's shit instead of living like a hedonist

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >when the Revolution comes, I'm gonna be a philosopher!
      Same energy.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Everything is free forever automatically
        >This is the life, oh well, for no reason I'll be a janitor and clean other people's shit instead of living like a hedonist

        You also forget that the Federation is a turbo nanny-state... you can't synthesis drugs or real alcohol or even deserts with sugar or fat in them.
        I'm almost positive if you tried to
        >Computer
        *responsive beeping*
        >generate 4 wiener hungry Ana De Armis
        *beep boop, you have gooned for 8 hours this week, no further gooning is permitted until Monday Morning*
        >But it's Monday afternoon now

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the starships are self cleaning, so a standard federation home probably is too.
      Professional janitors probably don't exist anymore

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Miles exists
        If anything they just reworded the title from janitor to whatever miles is.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Transport technician in next gen
          and Chief of Operations in DS9?
          Thats a pretty big step up from janitor, even if you just count him as a basic b***h engineer

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The pay is the same, it's just the title that changes. Same responsibility.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >The pay is the same
              Yeah for literally every job. The loose explanation is higher tier jobs pay in prestige. Pay doesn't matter when your science box can replicate almost anything

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Miles I told you the holo shitter is clogged and to fix it. I didn't ask for whatever you're telling me.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Right away captain
                >Computer, transport any material clogged in the sewage pipes into space
                >Affirmative

                Done.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Was that so hard now?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >science box can replicate almost anything
                This has always been moronic. It can create sub atomic particles in any superposition, frequency, or space but it can't do it for some things like dilithium. To create anything it would have to be able to handle physics down to the planck but for some reason it doesn't work on all materials. It makes no fricking sense.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >It makes no fricking sense
                They obviously added exceptions purely for plot reasons as necessary. You are overthinking it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                But how is decided who gets the monolithic mansions in the hills and who gets the tiny studio apartment in the mega-block down in the projects?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Go to a new colony planet and you can have your own country

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                There's still private property somehow, since Picards family owns the wineyard. I'm just theory crafting here but with their terraforming technology I'm guessing all the vast deserts on Earth are all nice and inhabitable now, and location means frick all when you can teleport pretty much anywhere on the globe instantly.
                Presumably though anybody could have a house as big as they want too since there's almost endless room to grow within Federation space and hundreds or thousands of viable m-class planets.
                On more than one occasion in the show there are "pioneers' who go to uninhabited m-class planets to start new colonies.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm just theory crafting here but with their terraforming technology I'm guessing all the vast deserts on Earth are all nice and inhabitable now
                In the pilot episode, this is what the Mojave desert looks like.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Mojave desert looks like.
                >Horrific and depressing. The habitat of the flora and fauna that inhabited the Mojave destroyed by the egotism of Humanity.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Presumably it's not monetarily based but rather prestige based. IE if you are just a moocher then you won't be on the street, but you aren't getting the choicest locations. If you are an accomplished and contributing X, then you get a higher 'opportunity'.

                Decisions of zero sum competition are determined by prestige or something less material than just currency. So it's not "Who can make the most shekels" it's "who can contribute the most in the eyes of the institutions/people/community".

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            it's no different from being promoted from a board janny to a global janny

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        who washes the dishes

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Computer, transport all food waste out of the house

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They just teleport all mass back into the replicators. This includes all the semen in the holodecks.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Who is they? The servers who do it for free? Why would he even run a restaurant if nobody is paying. To better himself every evening?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Food is art. People make art because they like making people happy, etc. The fact you had to ask this question means it’s never occurred to you to have dinner guests in your home. Probably for the best. Keep it contained

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I hope more people like you survive the next centuries. The world needs idealists.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I think of the singing Klingon chef in DS9.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Feel free to prove me wrong but I never actually saw any really unpleasant vocations in Trek.
        Like take grampa Siskos restaurant for example. or Ten forward. People work there as cooks or waiters, but you could argue that some people like being Sommeliers or whatever they call it.

        But yes all of Trek only works if a shadow organization took the opportunity during the eugenics wars to subtly make every single human being into a selfless perfect citizen

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      You also forget that the Federation is a turbo nanny-state... you can't synthesis drugs or real alcohol or even deserts with sugar or fat in them.
      I'm almost positive if you tried to
      >Computer
      *responsive beeping*
      >generate 4 wiener hungry Ana De Armis
      *beep boop, you have gooned for 8 hours this week, no further gooning is permitted until Monday Morning*
      >But it's Monday afternoon now

      makes you wonder if more people would actually just flee earth and only visit on "official" business like renewing your starship licence, getting a new spacepassport or whatever because that sounds boring as frick and we know for a fact that space stations, even federation ones, operate on currency.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        right?
        Why wouldn't you just live on Rizer or however you spell it? The Paradise sex planet?
        Even planet Rape Gang is in the federation.
        Living on Earth sounds shit

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          How the frick could this thread gets so far and no mention of RAPE GANGS yet?

          >The planet's government began breaking down in the 2330s. Dozens of factions developed, and civil war broke out. The Turkana government gave police powers to the two largest factions, the Coalition and the Alliance, but it was quickly overthrown by those cadres, and the planet severed relations with the Federation by 2352, the two factions declaring the planet's independence.
          I can see the argument for the Federation neither intervening with pre-Warp civilisations or liberating the peoples conquered under its neighbours but, in this case the Federation just seem like a fragile state.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Indian reservations (and to some extent social security) are a good example of this. They get free money from the tribe/government every month, and the result of that is people not working, sitting around all day while they drink, do drugs and eat junk food.

      When you remove the necessity to work to provide, you take away a lot of people's purpose to be responsible, and they end up being lazy hedonists. I don't think it would work the way Star Trek proposes, where people will pursue their passions and interests if they don't have to worry about money.

      But it's never really been properly explained in Star Trek. It's more like a "wouldn't it be nice scenario", where we have magical space devices that render money pointless.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This is a very superficial take on native Americans, but especially those that live in community. Aside from inter generational trauma and the ongoing effects of colonialism, genocide, land exploitation for resource extraction, deprivation of their mineral rights, rights to self governance, and forced segregation (ie reserves), the modern day “Indian” faces difficulties in working do to a severe lack of opportunity either via proximity, education, or training.

        Thanks for reading my Ted talk, citizen!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      reminder that humanity was purged of most of the undesirables following WW3 w/ post atomic horrors and the Eugenics War

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        People always forget the eugenics wars and how much of a positive effect they had on humanity in the Star Trek universe

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So basically, you don't have to work unless you want to?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much exactly that, yes. Thats why everyone in star fleet are into nerd shit like theatre and classical music and jazz bands and shit, everyone else died in their homes with armfuls of crazy space drugs and a klingon Fleshlight on their wieners.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This image freaks me out every time. Imagine knocking the right-most table and a 50lb glass panelled monitor falling down and crushing your head.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >left shoulder to zoom

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          lost

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but your clout is your social currency. It is the blank slate theory. Every person is free to do whatever. But nobody wants to breed with people who are disgusting gooners.

      Being able to play trombone and do calculus in phonetically backwards chinese while backflipping = you have ten billion dollars.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I think I'd end up like that alien that lives in Quarks bar but never says a work

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You mean Morn? He never shuts the frick up though according to every other character.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            that's the one. definitely me. I'm like a ghost but also an alcoholic

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          He doesn't need to work, he robbed a bank and got away with it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's like what they say about bringing in robots to replace people. Someone has to maintain the robots. They just happen to have a really good source of energy in the ST universe, but they still need people at some point to get shit set up, and maintain it (a lot could be done with robots though)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but also imagine this:
      Like from basically the moment you're born you have loving parents and are surrounded by friends and people who care for you and understand you.
      You go to school and any kind of mental hang-up you have gets detected almost immediately and dealt with.
      If you have any kind of talent or interest you get encouraged to explore it and see if you like it.
      By the time you're a young adult you'll already know that, say, you have a talent for art, a love for cooking, an interest in botany, etc.

      The job you choose to do isn't for money, but is instead motivated by a number of possible factors. Maybe you want to follow your passion. Maybe you feel like you want to contribute to society.
      Maybe you think you have something unique to offer. Or maybe you're just doing it because you want people to like you.
      If you want to sit at home and do nothing, that's perfectly fine too but you're likely to get friends and family getting concerned for you and coming to visit you.

      Because that's what people are like in the future.
      To be born in the Federation is to be given the means and encouragement to live your best life.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don't disagree in general, but explain Barclay then.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I also mostly agree with that poster's overall sentiments but there are still people who are neurotic, shy, awkward, cowardly, and have a host of other hang-ups. Maybe it's to suggest that humans are still humans in the future and even a perfect society can't completely eradicate these all-too-human traits.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            star trek humans obviously aren't humans. they have world-destroying tech available to randoms. only way to explain ST society is that they practice extremely intense eugenics to eliminate all divergence from their desired norms and are basically the borg but less competent at it

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Barclay had his neuroses for sure. But when we first see him he had already made it onto the flagship of the Federation, neuroses and all.
          Most people in Barclay's life quickly leaned to look past his flaws to see the brilliant mind he was.

          >But why wasn't he fixed?
          Did he need to be? Geordi's eyes couldn't be fixed, but he still managed to see thanks to his visor and be a productive member of society.
          What Geordi had in a physical handicap Barclay has as a mental handicap and both of them ended up serving on the Enterprise with distinction.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >he had already made it onto the flagship of the Federation
            In that episode one of the crew implied that Barclay's previous commanding officer was sick of dealing with him and puffed him up to Picard to get rid of him.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              If you're of the mindset that the starfleet is a military organization, then they would most likely be working on a contractual basis. This means that the contracted amount of years work both ways. Starfleet is stuck with Barclay until his contract is up.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        and then the Borg show up and fricking obliterate you.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I imagine it's just a bunch of maintenance people running around, a ship like in tng.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Citizens are serfs, it's the military and government in hand. Everybody on earth is a serf for them.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's been a long road...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      gettin' from there to here...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's been a long time...

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          But my time is finally near...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      gettin' from there to here...

      It's been a long time...

      But my time is finally near...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Bro, the 1st time I saw this I was scared I didn't know what to expect.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    After a period of adjustment people decided that they would either drown in hedonism or pursue meaningful activities like winemaking or archeology.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't reputation the "currency" in Star Trek?
    You can have no job and just jerk off in your personal holosuite in your small communal housing and that's it but you'll be ignored and or effectively shunned by everyone you know.
    Families don't have kids for them to be gooning neckbeards forever, they want you to be in Star fleet, or a musician, or a scientist, or engineer to be somebody to further the family name.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >musician, or a scientist, or engineer
      By the time you get to the star trek timeline AI will do all those things better than any human can. Literally everyone would just be fricking in holodecks.

      Starfleet doesn't make any sense. They ships are all heavily reliant on computers but they just don't use AI to pilot them but instead use analog fricking throttles to go light speed. Like that would have the accuracy to stop anywhere close to your destination. You have multiple sentient holograms but don't use them as crew members even though they would be smarter and better suited for the task since they wouldn't be thrown around the ship every time they got hit. They would also be able to issue commands to one another without having to rely on speech or consoles.

      Star trek is just poorly written scifi.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You are right of course, every time we get
        >Computer... where is the prisoner
        >The prisoner left the Enterprise three hours ago after murdering six crew members
        Why doesn't the Enterprise computer take some initiative

        <RED ALERT>
        Picard: what the frick?
        Computer: Captain, the aliens we have on board in the diplomacy quarters just killed two crew and are planning to steal the ship, I have beamed two of them directly to the brig but one of them has a anti-teleport device, so I have locked down the deck section.
        Picard: Oh, right, very good, dispatch secur-
        Computer: I have already dispatched three security teams
        Picard: Right, well, very good, keep me informed.

        I read a fun story once about how AI runs the federation and it just lets humans "pretend" they're doing stuff otherwise they'd go mad.

        Pretty sure the starships are self cleaning, so a standard federation home probably is too.
        Professional janitors probably don't exist anymore

        But someone needs to vacuum the carpet after a function, someone needs to unclog pipes, who is doing it? We don't see any droids or anything so some homie is running around with a hoover

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >But someone needs to vacuum the carpet after a function
          No the ship just uses magic lasers or just transports garbage into space or something

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          ><RED ALERT>
          >Picard: what the frick?
          >Computer: Captain, the aliens we have on board in the diplomacy quarters just killed two crew and are planning to steal the ship, I have beamed two of them directly to the brig but one of them has a anti-teleport device, so I have locked down the deck section.
          >Picard: Oh, right, very good, dispatch secur-
          >Computer: I have already dispatched three security teams
          >Picard: Right, well, very good, keep me informed.
          >I read a fun story once about how AI runs the federation and it just lets humans "pretend" they're doing stuff otherwise they'd go mad.

          This is literally just "The Culture" novels though, their fleets of sentient AI ships and 4th dimension thinking minds do everything, run everything and just keep humans around for fun.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          THE ENTERPRISE COMES ACROSS A SEEMINGLY ABANDONED VESSEL IN SPACE
          Picard: Computer, scan unknown vessel for life fo-
          Computer: I have already scanned for life forms. It appears there are three living beings on the ship and fifteen recently deceased beings.
          Picard: Good. We'll put together an away te-
          Computer: I have already linked to the unknown vessel's computer and from its logs its warp core has been damaged from a battle. Currently running diagnostics to fix the core.
          Picard: ... Good. Open channel and hail--
          Computer: I have already spoken to the life forms. Although a Vulcan vessel, the only living beings are Cardassians.
          Picard: Send a security detail--
          Computer: I have deduced this is a trap, Captain. I have already transported all three Cardassians to our brig, contacted Starfleet the coordinates of the damaged vessel, and charted course for the nearest outpost to deposit the prisoners.
          Picard: ....
          Computer: Will there be anything else, Captain?
          Picard: (Pause) Cup of Earl Grey, hot. With a shot of whisky.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            An entire TNG episode boiled down into a minute.
            why is the onboard computer so shit

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            this is why we must destroy supercomputers and data centers

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it makes sense if the objectives of Star Fleet are actually about eudaimonia. You don't send a crew of men into space to study a dangerous black hole, because the information is so important. You do it for the sake of the men, to give them something challenging to do. And you lie to them, telling them that only they (not a crew of AI hologram Doctors), could do this dangerous, difficult, and vital task properly.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >run into the borg
          >we will assimilate you
          >ship is crewed by AI holograms
          >well shit

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >musician, or a scientist, or engineer
          By the time you get to the star trek timeline AI will do all those things better than any human can. Literally everyone would just be fricking in holodecks.

          Starfleet doesn't make any sense. They ships are all heavily reliant on computers but they just don't use AI to pilot them but instead use analog fricking throttles to go light speed. Like that would have the accuracy to stop anywhere close to your destination. You have multiple sentient holograms but don't use them as crew members even though they would be smarter and better suited for the task since they wouldn't be thrown around the ship every time they got hit. They would also be able to issue commands to one another without having to rely on speech or consoles.

          Star trek is just poorly written scifi.

          I think it's Picard in TNG who said it?
          He says something like; if we just wanted data we would have sent a bunch of probes. We're here in person because we want to see what's out here ourselves.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it makes sense if the objectives of Star Fleet are actually about eudaimonia. You don't send a crew of men into space to study a dangerous black hole, because the information is so important. You do it for the sake of the men, to give them something challenging to do. And you lie to them, telling them that only they (not a crew of AI hologram Doctors), could do this dangerous, difficult, and vital task properly.

        assuming that the ship is more valuable than the crew to Star Fleet (I know, it isn't); it would be good to have both a human and an AI crew. They can act as back-ups for each other in case of a failure. That way, humans can take over and do things in a more analogue way, if the ship gets hit with some kind of virus, or a power failure that they can try to fix while the AI is inoperable. And the AI can operate the ship if the humans get incapacitated by some sort of bio-weapon that doesn't effect the electronics. And since humans need more practice than AI to stay in good shape, they would be the ones on active duty most of the time.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          AI would be better suited at every job. Pilot, security, weapons, science, engineer, everything. Your ship would be run by super intelligence and make humans look like drooling morons. Even the computer in TNG was capable of producing an intelligence greater than Data, who was the smartest thing on the ship supposedly.

          You would also be able to build smaller, more capable ships because you wouldn't have to worry about crew quarters, hallways, or whatever the frick. Humans going on missions just because they have nothing better to do might make sense but they are constantly at war with alien species and AI ships would be considerably better at that then a human crewed ship.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >it would be good to have both a human and an AI crew. They can act as back-ups for each other in case of a failure.
          Yeah but the problem is, like 90% of a ship is creating an environment that accommodates humans. If it was all just the computer, you could get away with far less energy usage, don't need heat/ac (well, you do to a certain extent, but not as much) no food, water, etc.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Star Trek is absolutely fricking garbage, I'll give you that, but in the 60's they really had no concept of where computers and AI were going. Even then, things like the throttle etc. being manned is just so the cast have something to do on screen.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Star Trek was made during the cold war. It was a "what if we're all nice and get along".

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    they spend all of their time operating cajun restaurants, or eating at cajun restaurants. It's a cajun restaurant based economy. That's what Quark will never understand, and why his pursuit of latinum will ultimately prove futile.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How the frick could this thread gets so far and no mention of RAPE GANGS yet?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Go away Denise, I'm tired of hearing about all the rapes gang parties you attended.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Rape gangs were groups of men and women who would prey on lone individuals on the planet Turkana IV for the purpose of sexual assault.
      wtf Memory Alpha? I don't remember anything about female rapists being mentioned. Are you just making shit up, or did I miss something all those years ago?

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's inconsistent, and not really well fleshed out. Each show is very much a product of its time.

    One problem is that the franchise was very heavily inspired by historical naval fiction like Hornblower, so it incorporates a lot of the plot elements that are common to that genre (incompetent nepotistic superior officers, a rigid and complex military bureaucracy, competitive ambitions, etc.).

    This don't really make a lot of sense when combined with fully automated luxury space communism, unless you want to go a little deeper and read into it that the Federation is essentially a military Junta.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >the Federation is essentially a military Junta
      The only alternative is that Starfleet is actually pretty irrelevant to the wider culture(s) of the Federation. Yes, the shows are all from the perspective of Starfleet officers and yes the Federation uses Starfleet as its de facto Navy, but at the end of the day Starfleet is just a small part of a wider interstellar civilization. You could even imagine that it has its own cultural quirks, like insisting on modeling itself on a paramilitary system: most normies think its odd but don't care because Starfleet is off exploring most of the time and doing the fighting when push comes to shove.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's inconsistent, and not really well fleshed out. Each show is very much a product of its time.

        One problem is that the franchise was very heavily inspired by historical naval fiction like Hornblower, so it incorporates a lot of the plot elements that are common to that genre (incompetent nepotistic superior officers, a rigid and complex military bureaucracy, competitive ambitions, etc.).

        This don't really make a lot of sense when combined with fully automated luxury space communism, unless you want to go a little deeper and read into it that the Federation is essentially a military Junta.

        >and read into it that the Federation is essentially a military Junta.

        No, the Feds and starfleet are separate. The Feds are the political association and Starfleet is the military/exploration wing. The Feds have elections and democracy and I shit you not the capital of everything is on freaking Paris. They visit the capital of the Federation and the humble office of the alien president once.

        You'd think the capital of the Federation would be brought up more but nope. They love hanging around SanFran though.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The capital is PARIS? Is that in Alpha media?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >The capital is PARIS? Is that in Alpha media?

            yes, Deep Space 9 episode even! It's likely revealed in some background information but DS9 is when they first show it. I was floored when I saw it because I had assumed it was some luxurious cool looking thing in space not literally Paris!

            Yeah, the series focuses heavily on Starfleet so people mix up the feds and starfleet all the time and think that Starfleet = the government.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Starfleet = the government.
              It is. That is to say it is effectively.
              The earth's president is a figure head they wheel out for diplomatic reasons more then anything. They can have their nice palace, and their nice title, but Starfleet is unquestionably the ones in control of what direction earth and humanity as a whole actually go in.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              They first show the president's residency being in Paris in Star Trek VI

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >can transport Data
    >can't use the information gathered from the transporter and replicators to just build more of him.
    >go through a gay ass trial saying he's sentient and can't be dismantled.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The utopia paradise seems to only be on Earth and life in the rest of Federation can vary greatly.

    There are appear to be very few if any career options for Federation citizens other than joining Starfleet or becoming an independent researcher/engineer/doctor.
    The viewer actually learns very little about what it is like to live in Federation as all the shows are from the PoV of Starfleet.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The utopia paradise seems to only be on Earth and life in the rest of Federation can vary greatly.
      tos and tng tell us there are countless worlds within federation territory that don't ever see so much as a speck of dust and get along just fine without their intervention
      dude literally studied hitler and took over an earth-like in days

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Weren't most worlds visited in TOS outside of Federation?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Many were yes, but there are also planets withn Federation space that are not actually part of the federation too. There's likely many populated planets in fed space that haven't progressed to warp engine technology and have thus been left alone until they do due to the prime directive.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think that's what gave the show such longevity.
      Had TOS shown us daily life it would have no doubt aged poorly by now.
      Even TNG's daily life would have shown its age by now.

      But because they didn't it's left up to the viewer to imagine, and that's why it still works today.
      It was clever to choose a vineyard for Picard and a restaurant for Sisko, since those are fairly timeless jobs.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite part about star trek is watching two ships less than a mile from one another firing phasers at one another and missing. Or firing a 65 megaton warhead at another ship point blank and not having the blast destroy both ships.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    At least in Babylon 5 the humanoir aliens had totally incompatible sexual organs. In Star Trek everyone can mate. Granted, sometimes they require medical attention.
    Damn, Molari had 7 tentacle penises

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They all (or most) had mouth holes though

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Enterprise bridge had carpet?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i always assumed it was like felt

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just beam the dust into space?

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's made pretty clear that the live in a Utopian society where people get "credtis" for contributing to society. So they get paid and have a regular pay scale for every chore.

    Credit wagies.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      In DS9 its mentioned that people have limited amount of credits for using public transporters on Earth, or at least they did when Sisko was at starfleet academy.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        UBI basically, but I wonder if distinguished scientists get more salary. Sure, people are no longer interested in accumulating wealth, but some people still must love money because there are drug dens on every planet and crime does also exist.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >there are no books in the 23rd century
        >there is no money in the 24th century
        All throwaway lines to make the world more compelling. World without money doesn't work. At some point you will encounter aliens that only want monetary currency. Also, how do they measure Earth or the Federation's GDP without money?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          they just space kindles to read in the future, anon. besides that tos still used clipboards and pencils.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The Federation internally operates without money but it does treat latinum as a strategic resource for trade and even allocates it to individuals when relevant (see DS9)

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ds9, tng, even tos had an episode about currency/trades.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >contributing to society
      What, exactly, would someone do to contribute to society that an AI wouldn't have already done better. An "engineer" would basically be tony stark saying "jarvis invent time travel."

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Soacial programs, being in starfleet, research, artistic pursuits etc.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          All those things would be replaced by AI in a couple hundred years. Again, the computers in TNG can create super intelligence with a simple command.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They aren't replaced by AI because its beneficial for people to have stuff to do. For the average citizen, the ai exists to compliment how they want to live, not just do everything for them while they sit in the holodeck gooning.
            Even with stuff like research which you sort of have a point about, people would still need to be working with the ai to apply it as necessary and to generally direct where it leads to.
            Of course it's not perfectly thought out though because it's a tv show with a budget and time constraints.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nutrek says they're all still miserable greedy shitheads who will thoughtlessly cuss out Picard, thanks to commie millennial writers.
    More likely, they're like Bashir's parents. Often motivated to waste time and resources to self-improve at things they're not talented in.
    Those that are talented get positions of responsibility in the Federation. And if they want to go out into the galaxy, they either drive freighters around or move to a colony or take Starfleet courses to become an NCO.
    The real geniuses actually go to the academy and probably end up junior officers on some refit Excelsior or Miranda class that's on an eight year survey mission. Or they get killed in one of the Federation's underplayed wars or incidents.
    >but muh holodecks
    Energy credits are a thing. You can't live on a holodeck or replicate a hundred turkey dinners without some local psychiatrist getting told by a computer to do a wellness check on you.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just make the bridge a holodeck, and then they wouldn't have to clean anything?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Uses less energy to use the transporter to automatically clean shit up

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    surely someone decided to become a space rapist and go around abducting primitive species to have their way with them Fire in the Sky style

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I suspect the average rapist wouldn't have the technological know how or willpower to get away from Starfleet.
      It's easier to "rape" holograms anyway.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Watch that episode where Picard dies and Q shows him his life if he didn't take risks. Picard literally wishes he were dead after a day of everyday ship work.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I forgot that episode. I remember it making me feel quite miserable as someone who despite working hard has never broken out of mediocrity. I can only imagine for someone who isn't shit at everything, it's like waking up without your wiener between your legs or something.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How easy is it for an ordinary citizen to acquire a starship? How do groups go about founding settler colonies?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Probably extremely difficult because the warp reactor is a potential bomb. I imagine private citizens can aquire something like space yacht, but they would not get a permit to use it around Earth. It's probably restricted to the outer planets and select Federation holiday resorts.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      didn't the guy who invented the warp drive build it in his shed? you could probably build your own. I'm sure they say in plenty of episodes too about how it's normal for kids at school to understand warp technology. maybe it's no more difficult than building a kit car now.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >didn't the guy who invented the warp drive build it in his shed?
        Zefram Cochrane was able to build this in a shed! With a box of scraps!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >How easy is it for an ordinary citizen to acquire a starship? How do groups go about founding settler colonies?
      I would imagine they would have to buy some non-Federation design. Depends on how much non-Federation money they have. Then go speak to a Ferengi

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There are private starships seen and mentioned in ST, but they seem prohibitively expensive and are often viewed with suspicion.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Settler colonies
      Usually people want to settle a new place do so because of significant ideological, political or cultural differences such that cohabitation is no longer preferred.
      If those differences become pronounced enough, and enough of a number of people follow them (usually around 1000-5000) the Federation lets you have a colony ship to settle an M-class planet.

      The largest colonization wave happened after the Eugenics war when people were practically fleeing Earth in search of a better life.
      But we see colonization efforts even as late as in DS9 ("Paradise", the one where Sisko gets put into the hotbox)

      >acquire a starship
      We've seen plenty of people who own their own ships. Probably the best known one would be Cassidy Yates, an independent trader and Sisko's girlfriend.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Probably the best known one
        That would be the Outrageous Okona.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What if I just want to be a beach bum with a snack bar?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >What if I just want to be a beach bum with a snack bar?
      It is permissible.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      depends on the snacks. I don't want any klingon dildos

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Then you probably can. Restaurants and snack bars are seen in DS9

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Good luck finding a place that isn't overrun with geniuses like you who've had the same great idea.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >What if I just want to be a beach bum with a snack bar?
      I guess you submit a business plan to the local Federation governing body, and if it's approved, they contract some builders to set up your stand or renovate a vacant property.
      Then you have your snack bar. You'll probably spend a few years building contacts to bring you non-replicated stuff you'll teach yourself to make food and drinks from.
      If it gets no business, you can sit there all day and study for some other vocation you'll probably fail at too.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You're probably guaranteed customers.
        If not from regular humans looking for non-replicated snacks, you'd inevitably get visits from alien species curious about human snacks that they were told about.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The United States ceased to exist by 2063, but why do they still mention Arizona, Ohio and many more states on Voyager and other shows? Do those legacy borders still mean anything or is everything under Federation criminal code?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They're just historical regions.
      Plenty of modern areas today across the world also have secondary historical names that people still identify with.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The United States ceased to exist by 2063, but why do they still mention Arizona, Ohio and many more states on Voyager and other shows? Do those legacy borders still mean anything or is everything under Federation criminal code?

        USSR stopped existing and they kept every single border. It's just easier to keep the old borders rather than new ones. Each state just becomes a new state in the grander Earth Federation.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Do those legacy borders still mean anything
      To the people in them probably. The Welsh get uppity if you call them British and Californians get uppity if you call them American. It's that sort of thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Arizona, Ohio and many more states
      Rome, Italy

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      In the Star Trek universe, Earth is depicted as a unified planet within the United Federation of Planets. This unification implies that traditional national boundaries and governments have been largely superseded by a global government. Here are some key points about Earth's governance in Star Trek:

      United Earth Government: By the 22nd century, Earth has formed a single, united government. This unification process is portrayed as having been driven by a desire to avoid the mistakes of the past, such as wars and nationalistic conflicts, and to better facilitate humanity's ventures into space.

      Federation Membership: As a founding member of the United Federation of Planets, Earth is subject to the laws and regulations of the Federation. The planetary government of Earth operates in conjunction with the Federation Council, which is headquartered in San Francisco.

      Cultural and Regional Diversity: Despite the presence of a unified global government, there are indications that cultural and regional identities persist. For example, characters often refer to specific places on Earth by their traditional names, and cultural practices from different parts of the world continue to be observed and celebrated.

      Historical References: The Star Trek series and movies make references to historical nations and cities, suggesting that while Earth is politically unified, there is still a recognition and respect for its diverse heritage. This is seen in the way characters mention places like Paris, Tokyo, and New Orleans.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Really makes you wonder how the Earth Government dealt with the Middle East. They probably didn't all fly to Gaza Prime

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Glassed in WW3

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Wiped out during the eugenic wars. Presumably most of the remaining Nazi and fundamentalist religious types were all wiped out when the Eugenic warlords died.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Really makes you wonder how the Earth Government dealt with the Middle East. They probably didn't all fly to Gaza Prime

        earth would even be allowed into the Federation as per its own rules. There's existing primitive cultures still on earth.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          does anyone else hate these stupid fricking cultures that couldn't even invent boats
          like maybe we should roll in with our diseases and assault rifles and clean house
          imagine in a hundred years when they finally leave the island and get free insurance and housing from the government and try to frick your granddaughter
          nah man, wipe em all out now

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      just because the union ceases doesn't mean the states themselves just up and evaporates it might just be that the ones listed just swallowed other ones or just persisted

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of interspecies / interracial sex probably, orgies too

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Probably the best possible life out of any sci-fi universe.

    Like, random roll of the dice? In Star Wars, you could be a Jedi...or end up a moisture farmer on a shithole planet run by criminals.
    40K? You could be born on a Garden world that's celebrating it's 5000th year of peace...or you could be born on a Hive world currently under siege by Orks.

    If you don't have a choice on where you get born, there's no better pick then the United Federation of Planets.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ever noticed how when Earth gets destroyed, then brave Federation citizens always goes back in time or into a parallel dimension to undo it? If you just love patriotism, nationalism, and sculpturing, and want to be a Cardassian- when your planet gets blown the frick up all your leader does is ask what kind of people would do such a thing. You get multiple rerolls if you pick Federation, even if you get bombed some guy in pyjamas will literally undo causality itself to save your life.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'd live like siskos dad, cooking food for people. I love cooking, but the food industry is a fricking shitshow so I got out of it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yup.
      If you got given a choice;
      You get to cook every day for lots of people, making them happy with your meals.
      But you don't get paid for it at all. Instead, you don't have to pay for rent, heat, clothes etc.
      So you don't have any costs of living, but you can't save money either.
      Would you take it?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Brother, I'm already in the kitchen saute-ing chopped onions for the red beans and rice.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Someone get their first period?

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it's a short one of constant distraction and mind numbing drudgery, like all communist states.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >mind numbing drudgery

      >Insert Barcaly's Deana Troi holodeck program here.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Holodecks are canonically inaccessible to all non-starfleet civilians. They have an allowed kw hour useage per week. If you want nice things you need to be fed to the machine.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up and eat your replo-slop.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    In the Eugenics War and WW3 was there any region/s that were particularly devastated, I mean relatively bad when you have a general widespread devastation, in terms of civilian causalities and ecological damage?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      As to explain why Frenchman Picard comes across as so British I've seen people joke that France got devastated and in the aftermath got colonized by the British.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I suppose it is just a product of being an American show, the influences it was drawing-upon and to a lesser extent the time so much of it was made but, in-universe is there any explanation why the culture of humanity is so American and British dominated? Should there not be meaningful traces of Chinese and so on culture?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Asia was fricked up pretty bad in the Eugenics Wars, probably not much left of it by the time the warp drive was invented.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe just an extension of globalization. Maybe places like India and China got that damaged that their culture got near-obliterated and reduced in population as to not be numerous enough to make an impact/presence.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Asian countries were mostly led by augment dictators in the Eugenics Wars, and mostly wiped out.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe just an extension of globalization. Maybe places like India and China got that damaged that their culture got near-obliterated and reduced in population as to not be numerous enough to make an impact/presence.

          Asian countries were mostly led by augment dictators in the Eugenics Wars, and mostly wiped out.

          The Expanse did a much better job charting a plausible trajectory for current year globohomo, with the poojeet Martian who talks with a Texan accent hanging out in an Earther Cowboy themed bar trying to get his date to show him bobs and vergana while a Mandarin cover of Ring Of Fire played as background music.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >The Expanse did a much better job charting a plausible trajectory for current year globohomo, with the poojeet Martian who talks with a Texan accent hanging out in an Earther Cowboy themed bar trying to get his date to show him bobs and vergana while a Mandarin cover of Ring Of Fire played as background music.
            this sounds unironically kino

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >this sounds unironically kino
              You might want to give The Expanse a shot then. What I described isn't a hypothetical, it's literally a scene in the show, although I did misremember a few details (it wasn't Ring Of Fire it was Rawhide in Chinese).

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I've finished the series (Amazon did it dirty) and it's in queue to be read after I finish my next Dune book. I hear it's almost on par with the culture novels.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I've finished the series (Amazon did it dirty)
                I didn't even bother with the last season, I could read the writing on the wall.
                >I finish my next Dune book
                Based. I love Dune. The only Cinemaphile adaptation that did the books justice was the silly Sci-Fi Channel mini-series. Which book are you on?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The only Cinemaphile adaptation that did the books justice was the silly Sci-Fi Channel mini-series.
                This is the correct opinion, although the cinematography of Villeneuve is amazing.
                >Which book are you on?
                Rereading Children of Dune, but I think I'm taking a break before the last three. Like Tolkien, Herbert is a great storyteller, but the prose can be a slog.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Roombas don't exist in the Star Trek universe
    It's funny to think that the outlandish tech in an unapologetic space opera like Star Wars is closer to our world than this debilitatingly dated 1960s update of a 1940s SF literary trope, when SW was in fact an update of a 1930s trope.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't need roombas when you have transporters.

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    WW3 2026-2053

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How many nukes were dropped?
      Honestly impressive a global war could last that long with nukes on the table

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No idea, it hasn't happened yet.

        Riker said in First Contact there were 600 million dead

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw someone mentions "civillian"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      jej

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Federation is a totalitarian feudalistic society. Joining Star Fleet is basically a requirement if one wants to leave Earth in space ship.
    Nobody in the Federation can buy a starship and leave Earth, because that costs money. Nobody can buy real estate, because that costs money. Any real estate ownership portrayed on Earth is in the hands of a small power elite who have owned it for generations, like Sisko's restaurant and Picard's vinyard (who coincidentally are higher ups in Star Fleet.) If you think Sisko's restaurant is just a small local restaurant, consider the fact that replicators make real cooked food an unnecessary high luxury item. There is no upwards mobility on Earth unless you join Star Fleet. Star Fleet is rife with the nepotism of a few small prominent families with political and military significance (eg. Tom Paris is the son of Admiral Paris, Chekov's son is the President of Earth, Worf was the son of a house on the Klingon high council, Spock was the son of a Vulcan ambassador.)
    Every human colony portrayed in Star Trek, going back to TOS, are all distrustful of the Federation and left earth to find religious, cultural, or political freedom. This is canon. We can logically assume colonists are chosen by the Federation on a lottery or approval based system, so only the lucky few can go and find personal freedom.
    The Ferenghi Alliance, on the other hand, is the only faction in Star Trek that represents individual freedom. Ferenghi can own warp capable star ships, and its not portrayed as anything significant (eg. Quark, a simple bartender, owns his own starship.)
    My conclusion: life on Earth for the average human citizen is miserable and hedonistic. They probably have a holodeck at home they goon in all day, and a replicator to fulfill all of their material needs. They have no reason to ever leave the house or aspire to anything, And if they did, they have no option but to join the military (ie. Starfleet)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The Ferenghi Alliance, on the other hand, is the only faction in Star Trek that represents individual freedom.
      To males only

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That changes by the end of DS9.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Quark, a simple bartender, owns his own starship
      It was given to him by his cousin, who had also sabotaged it in an attempt to have Quark killed.
      Later on in the Magnificient Ferenghi, Quark no longer owns a star ship and allows Ex Liquidator Brunnt onto his team because he has a ship.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        My point still stands. Brunt is the equivalent of some desk jokey IRS auditor who makes $30k a year.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          In Ferenghi society Liquidators would have outrageous amounts of money from bribes alone.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the harsh truth about the federation

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Incorrect. Totalitarian societies are not built around allowing people to whack off all day.
      To understand Earth society in the era of Starfleet, you have to understand Earth history. Basically, Terrans blew themselves to shit in the (nuclear) Eugenics Wars. Billions died. Even more billions died in the aftermath. Blacks probably all but ceased to exist, once foreign aid to Africa and gibs to inner cities vanished. Globalism vanished, as did multinational finance and corporations. Science, in the abstract, saved on a small number of host computers, survived, which is what made warp drive possible.
      That got the attention of the Vulcans. They likely figured it was better to give a hand up to the survivors than let warp-capable human wreckage out into the universe, so they provided assistance _but_ only it the humans cleaned up their act socially, ie, adopted Vulcan-compatible manners and mindset.
      The resulting rational Vulcan-influenced social order probably resembled a mixture of Scandinavia and Japan plus late-Soviet socialism (no labor camps or shootings) with mega-university towns, and life revolving around education, the arts, self-development.
      The question of what Earth society would be like is essentially a question of what Vulcan society is like, since their presence would have as much influence on humanity as the Americans did on post-war Japan. We don't know what Vulcan society is like, but human society would be Vulcan Lite--and a damn sight better than what we have now.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >this
        People want the results of Trek history, but don't want to think about/face what it took to get there.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >People want the results of Trek history, but don't want to think about/face what it took to get there.
          Indeed. Full scale nuclear war would wipe out anyone not in military bunkers or capable of living off the land far from the cities. Goodbye, blacks, israelites, queers, social justice warriors. On top of this, the Eugenics Wars was about Eugenics, and further cleaned out the untermenschen. And then there was Colonel Green and genocidal 'Optimalization.' In the end you got higher quality human beings. They were all that was left.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm convinced ayys have already blocked us from nuking ourselves into oblivion but might not do it a second time given the first time we were still pretty shit at it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            the dark reality of star trek. Roddenberry wrote a convincing warning

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >the dark reality of star trek. Roddenberry wrote a convincing warning
              It wasn't a warning, it was a recommendation, and there's nothing dark about it. You can foster biologically smarter, healthier, and better future human generations, and no, you don't have to kill billions of people to do it. War can do it too. But that wasn't what Roddenberry was advising. He just showed us a picture of where we're heading if we don't correct course, and also the end result if we do, and trusted us to get there. How exactly we do it is up to us.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >optimism

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm convinced ayys have already blocked us from nuking ourselves into oblivion but might not do it a second time given the first time we were still pretty shit at it.

            the dark reality of star trek. Roddenberry wrote a convincing warning

            >the dark reality of star trek. Roddenberry wrote a convincing warning
            It wasn't a warning, it was a recommendation, and there's nothing dark about it. You can foster biologically smarter, healthier, and better future human generations, and no, you don't have to kill billions of people to do it. War can do it too. But that wasn't what Roddenberry was advising. He just showed us a picture of where we're heading if we don't correct course, and also the end result if we do, and trusted us to get there. How exactly we do it is up to us.

            >optimism

            Soon. Maybe we can assume the dinner bell will bring them here.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Blacks probably all but ceased to exist, once foreign aid to Africa and gibs to inner cities vanished.
        Canonically, LaForge, M'Benga and Uhura are from Africa. LaForge from Somalia, Uhura from Kenya and while it's not explicitly stated for M'Benga, the name implies a West African Bantu origin.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        So...the Terran Federation is just what humanity would have done if it went a natural path. Basically, become the Klingons?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty much.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why uplifting is a danger.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Isn't that kind of whats smart about how the Vulcans went about it with Humans?
              >they said we'll help you
              >but we're not straight up giving you anything
              >we'll just be here to advise, give you a hint or two now and then.
              >we're much smarter and more advanced, you'll never catch up to us
              >to ensure that we'll make sure to never reveal too much about our technology, society, and customs, or the wider universe
              Of course Humans gonna Human.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Threadly reminder that we are in the Nu-Trek universe and Jan. 6 was the catalyst.

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's interesting that we never see anyone in the federation vote or really discuss politics despite democracy supposedly being a core value.
    The closest thing we get mass politics in Trek is one or two rare glimpses of the presidents.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Because politics in Trek is an illusion. Its clear from ENT that Earth is simply a puppet state of Vulcan, and by extension the Federation is a Vulcan organization. Federation ideology is just Vulcan ideology. Star Fleet is the military arm of Vulcan that relies on human meat shields to do the dirty work. If you think about it in this way, the Federation is just the Dominion, and the Vulcans are like the Founders.

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What do you think of the Prime Directive?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty good, but every rule has an exception

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Meaningless. Its ignored every other episode with no repercussions.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > Its ignored every other episode with no repercussions
        It's not really that common in the show, most episodes aren't prime directive episodes. Though the times we do see it its pretty much always justified when its broken. I can't think of an instance where somebody in Starfleet intentionally broke the prime directive with bad intentions, or results, at least in a way that deserved punishment.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It serves as a good storytelling tool throughout the franchise and it's frequently amusing when a non-trek scifi franchise deliberately violates the prime directive

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb and only used when its convenient.
      >Ferenghi: goes to primative planet and sells them things
      >Federation: MUH PRIME DIRECTIVE MORAL HIGH GROUND
      >Klingons: Sells advanced weapons to a faction on a primitive planet at war
      >Federation: MUH PRIME DIRECTIVE MORAL HIGH GROUND
      >Federation: Accidentally exposes its hidden observation post (why was it even there?) on a primitive planet and a new religion is formed because of it
      >Federation: UHHHHH OOPSIE?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The observation post was on the planet because otherwise the episode wouldn't happen.
        What was the Federation supposed to do about that planet after that episode anyway?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Pretend it never happened. If it never happened, there's no repercussions!
          >pic related

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Did Janeway brief starfleet about Tuvix when she got home?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              In a just society, she would have been tried for murder.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Klingons: Sells advanced weapons to a faction on a primitive planet at war
        >Federation: MUH PRIME DIRECTIVE MORAL HIGH GROUND
        The frick you talking about? The UFP gave the other side guns.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        All nation-states, cultures, and political bodies engage in hypocrisy though. The Klingons are the designated Muh Honor culture and they, like their real world cultural inspirations, are consistently backstabbing, underhanded cowards. The Federation is just hypocritical about different things.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Starfleet and the Federation have a lot of muh honor, too. The highest ideal is to serve in Starfleet and being the best at following orders.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I understand the meta-reason of it being their for the stories it can enable and I can also see where people may be coming from if they have concerns about colonisation but, I do not think in-universe it really stands-up. It just comes across as the Federation having insane logic or not actually giving a shit but justifying with some pretence to maintain a certain appearance. In an extreme scenario where a civilisation is going to go extinct without intervention then maintaining non-interference on the ground of avoiding cultural damage is nonsensical as the culture will cease to utterly exist. In a less extreme scenario where a civilisation is harming both themself and the ecology of their planet through pollution brought about by the limits of their technology/resources it seems dickish of the Federation to withhold green energy.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen people compare it to the developed world in its relationship to the developing world. Saying that the developed world has its own problems - it's own homeless etc. With the reasoning being the Federation can't afford to get involved with those pre-warp planets. Really though the comparison doesn't work. The Federation does not have an internal homelessness crisis or a healthcare crisis or energy crisis or take your pick of whatever big issue. Obviously there are creative reasons for why it is a thing but, if we ignore that and judge the Federation it frankly seems callous. And I think what makes it seem so is the Federation purports to have all that progression and virtue but, it just seems like it has tricked itself into washing its hands of meaningfully following through with its ideals.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      #thoughtsandprayers

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Probably necessary but should be ignored when people can be saved. If needed disguise yourself or some shit.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I imagine you either live a fairly uneventful hippie life either on major planet or a well-developed colony, or you're part of some weird outcast pioneer group in a fringe colony.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    life for non starfleet federation citizens on earth would likely be very pleasant:

    >no need to grind for money
    >problems of the past mostly gone
    >earth at a more reasonable population
    >super advanced medical
    >replicators
    >transporters
    >holorooms
    >anti-gravity cars
    >roads and antique cars still allowed
    >more time for self development and exploration
    >off world travel destinations

    most citizens would kick back on the porch and monitor the machines as they toil away on the farm. maybe go to the big city once in a while for an event. life would be a dream.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Any sci-fi world that has holodeck-tier technology, I don’t buy that all of humanity wouldn’t just spend 99% of their waking time in their custom simulation that complements their mood perfectly and gives a false sense of fulfillment.
      >day you are feeling glum
      >holodeck AI charts an enemies-to-lovers storyline with an anime catgirl with space pirate adventures in the backdrop

      >days you want to have a laugh
      >holodeck AI sets up a ribald storyline full of hijinks and wacky misunderstandings
      >sends witty comebacks directly into your brain so you can feel accomplished and part of the humor

      >days you are feeling horny
      >holodeck AI creates perfect copy of Cate Blanchett but turns up her horniness by factor of 100x
      You get the point.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        looking at the future through the lens of a 100 year long post apocalyptic horror, makes one consider that the collective consciousness of humanity evolved beyond escapism. there's a greater sense of contentment for the simple things in life enjoyed by the vast majority. in other words, humanity evolved beyond the trappings of hedonism through a prolonged period of extreme hardship. some believe this is the essence of the federation.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          A harsh war would cull it temporarily yes. For a generation or two. But the same problems would just come right back. Easy times create us weak men

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I would play rpgs in holodeck all day smoking synth weed if I lived in star trek land

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Very good since all right wingers have been exterminated and people live in a utopian left wing paradise free from outdated medieval superstition and selfish monsters.

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    oh just read the rest of the thread and we all agree
    very well, carry on

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Correct anon
      Tos is based
      Tng is based
      Ds9 is based
      Voyager is based
      Enterprise is based.

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >get to live in paradise
    >decided to be a colonist and live in bum frick no where without most of the stuff
    Why do you do this?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The need to explore. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before.

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The risk-to-reward ratio for joining Star Fleet is way too fricked.
    >first mission as lowly ensign
    >end up in a time fissure thingy where you get stranded for a thousand years by yourself, with only a tiny room to explore
    OR
    >hostile alien species with a fascination for cloning captures you and tortures you for the next thousand years (they are able to move your consciousness over from your dying body to your new clone set)
    OR
    >get reverse-evolutioned and end up as an unkillable salamander and Star Fleet can’t even do anything to fix your shit

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Do not underestimate the power of boredom.
      https://www.science.org/content/article/people-would-rather-be-electrically-shocked-left-alone-their-thoughts

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