>Classroom scene in American Highschool. >16 year olds failing basic algebra

>Classroom scene in American Highschool
>16 year olds failing basic algebra

It can't be this bad can it? Surely things have improved since then

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dont think people really understand what these 'youths" are like. Some of them are on the same cognitive level as a 5 year old and Im not exaggerating.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      However bad you think it is, it's actually worse than that.

      can you guys stop with the euphemisms and just explain for us non-americans what the problem is?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No math skills except for self-taught autismos.
        Graduates of HS can't spell, use proper grammar, punctuate, or read above a third-grade level.
        Bullies are ignored, "good kids" put in their place by school administration for standing up to them.
        Gender confusion.
        Racial integration.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          In the worst parts of America (black/Hispanic areas), full-grown nogs literally cannot read or write. No joke, no exaggeration. The nigs CANNOT READ by their graduation year. It's a little better for trailer park rednecks but not by much. They can read, but not well. Public schools in these areas are basically daycares. Most of the kids are "raised" by single moms who do not discipline or look after them, and the teachers have long since given up trying. Kids beat and shoot each other every day, sometimes there are bomb threats. There are school shooting drills and checkpoints with cops and metal detectors at the entrances of even elementary schools. It's expected that most of the kids will get pregnant/impregnate someone and/or drop out before graduation.

          Obviously this does not reflect White schools with standards, but these are being increasingly eroded as the years pass, the brown/mutt population displaces them, and the brown/mutt mentality gains purchase even in the minds of lower class Whites. Standards have dropped consistently every single year since the borders were opened and desegregation happened, both around the same time period 60 years ago. The results speak for themselves.

          Why aren't politicans trying to fix it? This would be an emergency in every other first world country

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because we have to send our tax money to Israel and Ukraine, there is none left for some irrelevant gay homosexual shit like education or affordable housing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Funding wouldn't fix it, it's a training and administration issue. Schools get plenty of money, but you know where it goes? Replacing already fine school equipment with newer, equal equipment at a high price. Or giving the superintendent a big raise. Or paying to pilot random programs because the admin went to half a seminar and want to try it. Then they'll bus in students from other districts/cities to try and make up the difference because they get paid for taking them off their hands due to behaviors, not having the right programs for them etc.

              It never goes where it needs to, but we keep voting to give them more money so they get into a cycle of waste. It's a mess, and I hate that we spent all of Covid b***hing about lockdowns when it was the perfect opportunity to just completely revamp and update how schools work while no one was there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why aren't politicans trying to fix it?
            Because "fixing it" requires undoing other programs and structures they are heavily invested in both monetarily and ideologically. The current state of public education is a side effect of deliberate social policy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Fix what? It's exactly the way they want it. They've deliberately enacted policies to make it this way. A whole population of debt slave cattle, isn't it beautiful?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This would be an emergency in every other first world country

            Apparently it's also happening in Britain and France, though it's been a few years since I checked. I don't know if things have changed at all.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's worse in Britain, can't speak for France. Kids don't have guns here (yet) which would be terrifying because they're way more moronic than American kids (yes, even the melanin-enriched variety).
              Britain is doomed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I live in a rural district. The school here has had a teacher shortage for years, with subs basically teaching throughout the year and an interim principal who came out of retirement because the district could not find anyone. Nobody competent wants to teach, because all the kids are deranged, all the parents are more deranged, all college education majors are deranged, and it pays nothing. The local school board also blows huge ammounts of its not massive annual budget each year on dumb shit like hd scoreboards (big fricking televisions that you pay a subscription service to use) because they don't want the district to appear poor when other schools play them at home, even though none of our sports teams have been good since the board members were in school. And the district just failed on a push for an almost 20 million dollar bond issue that they would have used to rebuild part of the campus to modernize it and add "more space to grow" even though classrooms literally sit empty.
            Also, a fair portion of my county doesnt really have great internet access, not fast enough to really use Zoom reliably. When these kids were "learning from home," they were basically just sitting inside watching tv.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why aren't politicans trying to fix it?

            There's no way to fix it without returning to segregation and closing the border. It's just gotten worse and worse since desegregation, and it will only get worse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can't fix Black persony.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Their aim is to correct for disparities between districts.
            And that is in conflict with local governments that would much prefer to network resources to successful schools over poor ones.
            The US is a case where your local government has basically more power than the Federal government over the specifics of education.

            When the Fed sees that some schools have graduating classes with functional literacy rates of like 10%, they want to boost spending, but also network resources more 'equitably' between those schools and successful ones.
            Local governments, who hold tons of power regarding education, don't want that. They're largely ran by people whose kids are going to the smart schools and they want to apportion resources according to performance.

            And basically no one is happy.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Basically its a competition between equity, where they don't care if no one excels so long as no one is moronic, and paying results, where the losers can fall off if the clever kids get to rise high.
              These are constantly fighting each other regarding how money and resources are distributed in the US school system.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              most admin in those burgeoning school districts embezzle education funds like mad.
              or they dump it all in sport.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because they want everyone on the floor. Their motto is, a rising tide lifts all ships, which is child speak for achieving equity of outcome. That's what they want for both academic and employment outcomes.
            We're dealing with this agenda in real time now as weimar-level of inflation almost running away due the printing machines never turning off. Now bottom tier (summer jobs for high school kids) jobs are making ~$18/hr in most major cities. Due to this wage increase and the republicans being morons and not completely removing Obamacare, a lot of entry level jobs are no longer full time.
            If your populace is moronic, thanks in part to subsidizing the entirety of our academic system, they don't know their being screwed. Last I saw the entire student body of all Baltimore public schools were not proficient in math. Do you think they understand how inflation works? Or even something as basic as supply and demand? They'll all be renters working 3 "on demand" jobs spending their free time trying to become the next big drill rapper.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >why aren't [the cause of the problem] fixing [the problem]?
            Martial law would be a blessing and a cleansing wave over this country.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This would be an emergency in every other first world country
            And yet sweden is eroding. Why don't you ask them instead of always fixating on America

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not a problem
            We’ll just import smart people
            We don’t need smart kids, or even to have kids at all, as long as immigrants keep wanting to move here

            This is the most accurate, and has been the anecdotal takeaway in my family (virtually everyone in my family are teachers)

            Academic performance being pulled down by the black and Hispanic population is also an elephant in the room, and is only brought up in the sense that a white society has intentionally kept these groups down through institutionally racist educational infrastructure. Efforts to "close the inequality gap" is trendy but performative, and takes away from the core of the problem being a country that puts no money into education

            One thing Europeans might not know is that education in the US is actually near exclusively funded through state (as in provincial) tax dollars instead of federal taxes. This leaves very little resources to work with and wildly different standards of education between each state. This is apparent in conservative states in particular that put frick all into education, where shit is so bad you'd be better off sending your kid to a Mexican boarding school

            Ultimately, as long as the chasm between the rich and the working class remains so huge, there won't be any investment in public education and the US will continue to wither away

            You don’t need to do that double line spacing thing on this site, maybe go back - or at least look at the data for test scores:school funding
            There’s a shockingly weak correlation, other factors correlate much more strongly with test scores
            https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1200803.pdf

            If you don’t like this source, Forbes or MIT have published reports on the topic as well

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They tried to fix it by creating something called Common Core. But it is an incredibly shit system based on equity, pulling the smarter kids down and uplifting the dumber ones. There's a video of one of the Common Core creators saying that white privilege was the motivation for it, and the audience groans at him.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They tried to "fix" this with common core and it just ended up worse. Instead of reinforcing the conceptual understanding of the topics through visual and physical methods like geometric representations of functions they just doubled down on the abstraction of the "grammar" and actually teach those little estimation and rounding strategies you'd do in your head for quick and dirty mental math as legitimate curriculum.

              Instead of helping students understand basic operations with multiple place values by having them physically sort objects into groups and move objects around as necessary to complete the operation they have the students drawing bubble diagrams on paper where they list their "closest guess" and then repeatedly check their work. It's insanely stupid.

              The idea was to teach the strategies successful people use explictly.

              Like don't bother teaching column addition, we're adding 45 and 43. Well, 45 is 5 less than 50 and 43 is 7 less than 50, and two 50s are 100, therefore we can skip count and add the five and seven less that the two original numbers are than 50 to 100 and get an answer of 88 and shit.

              Frickin'... whatever. I am okay at maths, I would not do it that way, but someone does. However, the skip counting idea relies on place value that is best learned through column addition and subtraction, so you have now created a situation where to make it "easier" and "faster" for the student to do maths, they have to understand something that's even more convoluted. It's like trying to put a roof on before you have framed the house up.

              Dumb, and counterproductive.

              Then you do that exact same thing with every aspect of their education.

              Then you wonder why nobody can do anything any more.

              [...]
              Math in the US (I can't really speak of other countries) is bizarre in that it has gotten to the point that the vast majority of math education professionals have little to no conceptual understanding of mathematics. I basically see them as grammarians of mathematics: they can be quite skilled in the logic of transforming equations around to fit the needs of the problem they are trying to solve, but hardly any of them could tell you WHY the equations were formulated that way in the first place.

              It wasn't until I was like 21 that I finally figured out on my own what a graph was: OH SHIT, if you have an equation with two or more variables, you can intersect two number lines and the coordinates can represent the values of the variables, which will allow you to plot a visual representation of the relationship the variables have in a specific equation. In more conceptual terms: a graph is a visual isomorphism for the possible answers of an equation. Yet when I was first taught algebra in seventh grade, the teacher was like, "uhhh, so there's these things called functions and uhhh you can make a graph out of it and uhhh rise over run" without ever explaining what the frick this graph actually was. It was just this extremely abstract thing that an equation "makes" a graph.

              I had such an odd experience in college getting interested in logic and the history of mathematics after being horrible at math in high school. When you look at the developments of math as being reactions to the limitations of previous systems, it actually makes sense. But in school with teachers who don't understand the reason for anything, concepts appear in such an arbitrary way, like "hey, also numbers can be imaginary now, get used it to" and no one understands shit. I think that math curricula should mirror the history of math, so in kindergarten you start with prehistoric caveman addition, and by the time you graduate high school you're at like the end of the 18th century

              Pretty much everyone who is good at maths can earn vastly more in non-teaching fields.

              I am a maths teacher in Australia. I was trained in science and English and have just picked things up as I went along.

              In my current school, 90% of the maths department is teaching untrained. 60% of the department are HPE majors. 30% are science teachers.

              It's virtually impossible to find a trained, much less experienced, maths teacher these days.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Like don't bother teaching column addition, we're adding 45 and 43. Well, 45 is 5 less than 50 and 43 is 7 less than 50, and two 50s are 100, therefore we can skip count and add the five and seven less that the two original numbers are than 50 to 100 and get an answer of 88 and shit.

                This is a great strategy for multiplication or division, NOT for addition and subtraction. Also these shortcuts are only shortcuts if you know your times tables better than the Lord's Prayer.

                Moving away as far from "memorization" has been a huge step back IMO, you can't use something if you don't KNOW it, and there's simply no way to master things without repetition until memorization. This terror of "memorization" and "dates" in History classes especially, has led to several generations with no idea of history, just SLAVERY, a vague "Victorian" age mostly informed by movies, followed by ww1(?), ww2, LE 60 GORRILLION, CIVIL RIGHTS ERA (apparently it was an era)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I remember being 8 years old, maybe younger, when they stsrted making us learn multiplication tables through repetition. Even at that age I knew it was stupid, I protested and refused to take part on the grounds that I wasn't learning how to multiply I was just memorising a sequence of words. I got away with it and they just gave me some other shit to do instead. For a few years after I fell behind in mental calculations as people knew the answer immediately when presented with any multiplication up to 12x12.
                Hoeever those years I spent doing it manually in my head and trying to not be outpaced by my rote learning peers. By the time we got to advanced mathematics these peers were out of practice multiplying anything manually in their head, and suddenly when asked what anything multiplied by a number above 12 is they would have to start scribbling on paper to solve the problem while I just blurted out the answer as I'd been playing on the proper difficulty setting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >English teacher teaching maths and science
                Hey buddy, same.

                Anyway half the kids are fine the other half are functionally moronic. It's always the parents fault. I hate talking to parents.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >your children could be in the hands of a frogposter
                Grim

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Better a frogposter than an overweight enby landwhale with purple hair screaming about killing all white people to her classroom full of like 13 year olds that show up on social media every couple weeks

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >in every other first world country
            LMAO holy shit do we tell him?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            saying that it is a problem that black people cant read or write is racist of course
            that is just a part of their culture and it is colonialist for you to want to change that

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >you can't correct them, that's the way they are and you're making them adhere to your white standards!
              >why are all the good jobs given to white people? I bet it's because they're under privileged, you racist, why aren't you fixing this discrepancy?
              This, holy shit. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why aren't politicans trying to fix it?
            they want it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Baltimore City spends $22k per student per year to achieve 30% and 10% reading and math literacy rates.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Bullies are ignored, "good kids" put in their place by school administration for standing up to them.
          Im class of 23 and bullying wasnt really a thing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > "good kids" put in their place by school administration for standing up to them

          >have zoomie bro
          >he's 6, fifteen years back now
          >kid from broken home is a daily menace, screaming, disrupting class, terrorizing girls, in and out of principal's office weekly, has been suspended for bringing in knives (yes, at 6 yo)
          >one particular day, starts threatening an adjacent girl with how he wants to murder her dog, making her tear up
          >bro tells him to shut up so they can learn math
          >kid starts screaming at him that he's going to stab him in the dick
          >bro, exasperated, says "you're a bad kid. you're just a bad kid."
          >teacher immediately sends bro to principal
          >all the nurses and counselors are there
          >they want to send my 6 year old brother to therapy because after a year and a half of threats and insanity he had a small moment of weakness where he told a kid off for not behaving
          >bro gets suspended in the end, nobody does a thing about this kid who's on track to be a shooter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you're a bad kid. you're just a bad kid."
            >gets suspended
            You're lying or leaving something out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >he's never seen it happen
              It's an old technique that's seen more and more use in recent years. I think most teachers call it the escalation method now. They know if they hold the biggest disruptors to the rules they'd be expelled almost immediately and that creates an administrative nightmare because the apple never falls far from the tree and if the kid is a shitheel, you know the parents likely are as well, so that's always the last possible option. Instead they will begin by disciplining the smallest nothing infractions first, and work their way up the totempole hoping that the big disruptor will catch on and stop, or get bored with the disruption before the teacher has to address it. Teachers have strategically targeted minimally disruptive students over the real culprits for decades just to "keep the peace" long enough to foist that ticking time bomb on someone else.

              Are you telling me you never once in your schooling career saw a bully get away with repeated harassment of a student, but the second that student resists or fights back in any way, it's a 3 week automatic suspension for the victim due to the zero tolerance policies even though every kid in the class and every teacher on campus knows exactly what was going on?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No one is getting suspended just for telling another student they're a bad kid. You are insane.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I saw a kid get a 3 day suspension for grabbing his colored pencil back and yelling at a known bully moron "don't touch my supplies" when I was in middleschool almost 20 years ago. This is the norm of the application of zero tolerance policies and has been since they were implemented. I honestly can't tell if you're that naive or are being disingenuous.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a shill m8, he absolutely glows.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They're being disingenuous. The, turn to authority, has been the strategy since at least the late 90s. I graduated in '01 and I started noticing it happening in grade 9. You were worse than the aggressor for standing up for yourself. You were to tell the guidance counselor what was going on if the teacher didn't step in. Fight back? You were suspended and they got detention or nothing at all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >They know if they hold the biggest disruptors to the rules they'd be expelled almost immediately and that creates an administrative nightmare because the apple never falls far from the tree and if the kid is a shitheel, you know the parents likely are as well, so that's always the last possible option.
                This is the core issue. The schools are petrified of the backlash from the degenerate adults who refuse to parent their own children. Teachers are demoralized and have given up, they are still using that one year of covid/remote learning as an excuse for why test scores are down and why kids can't focus because they know there's nothing they can do.

                My sister is a 5th grade teacher and 60% of her students can't read, half of them are basically moronic. She admitted to me recently that she's totally given up on teaching math because the students outright refuse to comply, if she tells them to pay attention to the lesson they scream and cuss at her. There's nothing she can do to force them to pay attention to lessons or do the work, none of the kids do homework besides a select few and even if they fail everything they still move onto the next grade because the administration requires the parents to sign off and approve them being held back a grade, which the parents never do because "my baby aint stupid yall just don't know how to do yo jawbs".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I never saw something to that degree but you're right that the troublemakers get away with more shit. I remember our school had a program where you would get a special card if you did something "above and beyond" and the disruptive kids would get those just for not screaming their heads off in class and the well-behaved students basically never got them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >3rd grade
                >work hard all week so i can get student of the week
                >it goes to jamal because he handed in all his homework that week (didn't really do it, just handed back in)
                >he still had his card flipped 3/5 days we were there

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                10/10 post, also summarized in

                Yes. Any school with *gamer words* are that bad.

                .

                That other anon was right, r/Teachers is some depressing stuff, especially the thread about kids being unable to use paperclips, staplers, rulers, or tell time by an analog clock.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I love that subreddit. I would feel bad for the teachers but instead of taking the redpill they just double down on the "socioeconomic factors". They deserve every BIPOc punch to the face they get.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's really blackpilling that none of them ever wake up. Unless white Americans just collectively agree that black people are not oppressed, and that gaps in lifetime outcomes are just proxies for performance we'll keep playing the same games we have been since the 1950s/60s. It seems painfully obvious that black people are just the most self-destructive and dysfunctional group in the USA and that explains most of their problems.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The 45 million illegal aliens are a bigger problem than the darkies at this point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If welfare and affirmative action were eliminated it would solve most of our problems.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I wish I lived in the timeline where California's voter approved proposition banning all forms of welfare to illegal aliens wasn't struck down by some homosexualy federal judge. A very different America.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My hope is that we are simply going to run out of money and the government will only have enough just to fund the military. Companies will have to get serious and stop with the make work jobs. We'll go through tough times and we will have to build up again. If you're competent and can be useful you'll finally get what you deserve. The useless leeches will either die or frick off back to their shithole.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The deadweight loss from non-whites at this point is huge and white Americans are aging out fast. It probably will be in our lifetime where the Unites States has to finally just cut back on the subsidies to the underclasses.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >instead of taking the redpill they just double down on the "socioeconomic factors"

                They refuse to acknowledge basic reality and obvious truths and start parroting libby make believe as to why things aren't working so I don't feel bad for them.

                >start parroting libby make believe

                I didn't see hardly any of that, to my surprise. No, they aren't screaming TOTAL Black person DEATH, but they can't deny how fricked up the situation has become, especially the complete lack of standards or any consequences for misbehaving.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They refuse to acknowledge basic reality and obvious truths and start parroting libby make believe as to why things aren't working so I don't feel bad for them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's less of a politics thing and more they just get institutionalized. I used to work in a school district and there's nothing they hate more than someone "rocking the boat," whether it's trying to change how things are done or even just bringing up issues. It's not politics at all, it's stupid admin going with whatever flavor of the month concept they hear about, then implementing it badly. I ended up leaving because there was just too much red tape and suppression of anything that might even remotely improve the situation.

                These issues would still exist regardless of political ideology because the districts are terrified of parent blowback and negative media coverage.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They never seem terrified of holding gay pride events for 9 year olds though since you see that shit all the time across the country.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I got kicked out of 3 schools for fighting back against my bullies.
                The argument was always the same: "Yes he's bad, but you're just as bad now." And then completely ignoring the fact that they were doing it to many other students too.
                Teachers are all homosexuals, and deserve to work themselves to death on minimum wage.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >kicked out of 3 schools
                >kicked out
                >not suspendded, not sent to the principal's office. Expelled.
                >three times
                >But it was totally just for standing up for myself
                I wish they had executed you after the third time.

                Asians are morons whose families peddle gutter oil food and sell meth to Mexicans.

                You yellow fever gays don't have an argument. You just want to frick asian girls and don't think about the detriment of bringing in nonwhites beyond that.

                moron alert. Impoverished Asians still mog native-born Whites.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I forgot that the troubled kid burst out crying in response.
              My mom got in a huge fight with the school over it, not sure why she didn't push for legal action against them but probably just because my parents couldn't afford it. The school openly admitted they had no defense for why my brother deserved punishment and therapy while the violent kid who kept threatening people and bringing knives to school was okay to carry on.
              The kid should have wound up a drop out, but they hand out graduation certificates like participation trophies here.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No one is getting suspended just for telling another student they're a bad kid. You are insane.

              Allow me to share with you a series of stories of my own time in school, as well as my youngest sisters time in school

              1/6
              >Be me
              >It's 2004
              >Be 15
              >Be in math class learning trigonometry
              >Having trouble understanding it, because teacher is doing a shit job explaining it
              >Had previously had issues understanding Pythagorean theorem due to shit teacher
              >Was able to learn and understand it thanks to friends who helped me
              >Teacher decides to implement set seating for a double class
              >Has never done this before this class
              >Never does it again after this class
              >Seats me in a back corner
              >To my right is a wall
              >To my left is Toby
              >Toby was/is a nice enough guy
              >Fun to hang out with outside of school...
              >But he also has really bad ADHD
              >Emphasis on the Hyperactive
              >Toby doesn't understand the math
              >Toby doesn't care about
              >Spends entire class hitting on on girl on his left and the girl in front of him
              >I spend entire lesson with my arm in the air asking the teacher for help
              >Almost entire double class goes by with teacher ignoring me
              >Finally calls on me at very end of class
              >When we're going through work and she's getting students to answer questions on the white board
              >I can't work out and give an answer to the question on the board
              >She calls me stupid in front of the whole class
              >Spend rest of the day being called stupid by class mates
              >Principle went on leave at end of team
              >Vice Principle became Acting Principle
              >Math teacher becomes one of two Acting Vice Principles
              >Has to stop teaching some classes to do this
              >My Class is one of them
              >Replacement teacher is pushover
              >I start just copying all of my work from my friends

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                2/6
                >Be me
                >It's now 2005
                >Be 16 now
                >Be in "Personal Development" class
                >Teacher wants us to write a letter to someone or something that we believe needs to undergo change and improvement
                >Could be a business, an organization, a person, or even ourselves
                >Don't have to send them
                >Letters will be kept private, only teacher will read them
                >I decide to write letter to my High School
                >Tell them about math teacher
                >Math teacher is now full Vice Principle
                >Also mention other bullshit I've seen
                >Student being sent out of class for yelling out in pain when another student stabbed him in the back with a pencil, then being given an after-school detention because in the 10 minutes he was left unattended outside the class, he went to the medical office to get patched up
                >Teachers punishing students for being friends with someone who did something wrong but who wasn't actually involved in said wrong doing
                >Teacher punishing a student for not doing homework, which was given out while they weren't at school
                >The same teacher punishing other students for asking and sharing what homework was due and when for that class
                >Other shit that I've since forgotten
                >Next Personal Development class
                >Teacher reprimands me for the contents of my letter in front of the whole class
                >Tells class I wrote a bunch of lies about the school
                >Tells them that I'm lucky the school doesn't sue me for slander
                >Given a lunch time detention

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                3/6
                >Still be me
                >It's now 2006
                >Surprisingly am now 17
                >Am in Year 11/VCE/Second last year of high school
                >Midyear English exam is just about to happen
                >Exam is 3 hours long
                >Teacher tells me if I'm lucky, I'll probably just pass
                >Teacher is not the one marking the exam
                >Teacher tells class that the school has heard "rumors" that next year, the year 12 English exam will be 2 hours instead of 3 hours
                >As such, despite the fact that we're suppose to have 3 hours for this exam, the school/teacher wants us to finish it in 2 and then do previously assigned English classwork
                >Not told what "previously assigned" classwork until just before Exam begins
                >"Previously assigned" classwork is writing a "Persuasive Speech", which will then have to be read/given to class in the next English class
                >Had previously been told to pick a topic and research it in preparation for writing a speech, but not been told when we'd be writing it
                >Next class is at the end of same day as exam
                >Decide to use entire 3 hours to do my exam
                >Next English class
                >Teacher says half of class will give their speech today, other half will give it in class tomorrow
                >Half the class give their speeches
                >Everyone is just reading it from the piece of paper it's written on
                >It's all boring as frick and unengaging
                >She calls on me as second last to give speech today
                >Tell her I haven't done it
                >She asks why not
                >Tell her because I was doing my exam
                >Goes off on me in front of the whole school
                >Tries to embarrass me further, by my making me stand up and give it anyway
                >Had actually counted on this
                >I'm good at giving improve speech with little to no notice
                >Have at least researched my topic a little bit and remember the information I need
                >Give speech
                >Engage and interact with my audience/class
                >At the end of class teacher asks class who had the best speech
                >Class unanimously says I do
                >Teacher gives me lunch time detention for the next day, for not having written my speech during exam

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                4/6
                >(cont.)
                >Write out speech later that night at home
                >Go to detention
                >Teacher tells me to write out speech
                >Tell her I did last night
                >She takes speech, crumples it up and throws it in bin
                >Tells me I wasn't suppose to do it as homework, I was suppose to do it here in detention
                >Tells me to rewrite it
                >Rewrite speech
                >She then makes me deliver speech to other students in detention
                >Deliberately read it out in the most monotone/boring way possible
                >She tells me that's better and to go and sit down
                >Won't let me leave until lunch is over as punishment for not doing what I was told in the first place
                >Exam results come back
                >I get a score in the low 90s%
                >Puts me in the top 10 students in my year level
                >There are about 60 students in my year level
                >Higher mark then some "better" students

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                5/6
                >Am still me
                >It's 2014
                >Finished school 7 years ago
                >Youngest sister is 15 years old
                >Still at school
                >Has school "supplied" laptop
                >As in school picked a shitty, expensive MacBook and then made parents buy it
                >At the end of the previous year, the school collected all the laptops and wiped their hard drives
                >Both students and parents got very, very mad about this
                >Apparently was a couple of cases where students lost personal pictures of family members that had died, that weren't backed up anywhere else
                >Parent Associations forced school to implement an official policy that states they CAN'T and WON'T delete students personal files
                >Sister has teacher who regularly goes off at students for small infractions
                >Often goes on angry sexist tirades about how boys/men are all dumb trouble makers and don't deserve an education
                >Is completely serious when she does/says this
                >Often punishes all the boys in the class for the actions of one or two
                >Sister hates it because she thinks it's sexist bullshit
                >There's only a couple of boys in her class who are trouble makers, the rest are apparently well behaved and don't deserve it
                >Sister is in class
                >Trouble maker boy does something to set off teacher
                >Teacher starts up on her usual rant
                >Sister who has laptop open for class work, opens up the audio recorder and quietly presses record
                >Records the teachers 10 minute long rant about how all the boys in this class are stupid and disgusting and how if it was up to her they'd all be expelled
                >Just as she's finishing up her rant, she somehow notices my sister is recording her
                >Screams at sister and tells her to go to the principles office
                >Sister begins to pack up her laptop
                >Teacher screams at her to leave it there
                >Sister goes to principle's office

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                6/6
                >(cont.)
                >Sister has to wait there for 20 minutes for recces to start so the teacher can finally show up
                >Teacher tells principle that sister was recording her without her permission
                >Sister says that teacher was going on sexist rant and that if he listens to the recording he'll hear it for himself
                >Principle tells sister that it doesn't matter what the teacher was saying, she isn't allowed to record anyone with out their permission
                >Doesn't listen to recording at all
                >Principle calls the school IT guy down and gives sisters laptop to him
                >Tells him to access it and delete any audio recordings on it
                >IT guy takes laptop and deletes all audio on it
                >Principle gives sister 3 day suspension from school
                >First out of our siblings to get an actual suspension from school

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The recording part is technically true, even if it's messed up. If you record without permission, you can't legally use it as evidence, at least in the US.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The principal's office isn't court

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Depends on your locale, some states are one-party-consent.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If you record without permission, you can't legally use it as evidence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This wasn't in the US, it was in Australia.
                And while I'm pretty sure it is illegal to record someone without their permission here in Victoria, I should also note that firstly, the recording software was on the laptop because the school encouraged students to record their lessons for 'future revision" and secondly the Principle never said anything about legality nor was legality the issue. It was entirely that my sister had caught a teacher doing something wrong and they wanted to bury it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I had a similiar experience where I gave a speech and then the teacher got mad because I didn't have it written down anywhere and failed me because of that

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Teacher punishing a student for not doing homework, which was given out while they weren't at school
                >The same teacher punishing other students for asking and sharing what homework was due and when for that class
                Kek, what a little Eichmann

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm more surprised the crying girl didn't get 2 hours detention for disrupting class, honestly. Teachers will go out of their way to protect kids who are violent and aggressive and will stop at nothing to persecute those who are being victimized. In all my life I never saw a teacher who didn't naturally align with a bully/bullies and against the victim.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But I thought nerds were le reel bullies and jocks were chill and bullying is good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >can you guys stop with the euphemisms and just explain for us non-americans what the problem is?
        bad will lounging

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I normally don't like to ruin the inside joke but i'm feeling sympathetic to euros today. The mainstream media has a tendency to use terms like youths, teenagers, toxic masculinity etc. instead of using the more accurate term "black people".
        *almost* every embarrassing statistic you hear about america is due to the bottom 30% of blacks dragging the national average like an anchor into the toilet. The shitty test scores, atrocious academic standards, violence, debt, rape, child abuse, etc. etc.
        But you can't mention that because it's offensive, so they find a different variable and apply it to that, for example "TEENAGERS in New York are playing the knockout game!" "MEN are harassing women on college campuses!" "SPRING BREAKERS turned miami into a third world country last weekend!".
        Fun fact: If you treated white america as its own country, we would have the 6th lowest gun homicide rate in the world while still having about the same amount of guns per capita. There are several examples like this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everytime I meet a person, that person has been filtered by many many many of my choices in order for the more unsavory characters to be filtered out.
          A BLACK MAN SMILED AT ME AT THE DEPARTMENT STORE HOW DARE YOU?
          >what kinda homie shop at dillards? Carlton?
          Save Private Carlton, Ryan. The 80s buddy cop movies told me to and no one around me will naysay it because if I go Adolf Woodrow Wilson ala Appalachia running my mouth in my neck of the very diverse woods...
          Skull emoji, my miller grove, skull emoji fr fr

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I normally don't like to ruin the inside joke but i'm feeling sympathetic to euros today. The mainstream media has a tendency to use terms like youths, teenagers, toxic masculinity etc. instead of using the more accurate term "black people".

          >for example "TEENAGERS in new york are playing the knockout game!" "MEN are harassing women on college campuses!" "SPRING BREAKERS turned miami into a third world country last weekend!".
          It's all so tiresome, anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        American schools have developed and adversarial culture between teachers and students, exacerbated still by the pandemic a few years back.
        Generally, schools cannot significantly punish students, and students do not feel cared about by their schools.
        So performance in many areas is at rock bottom because there is a refusal of compliance by both sides. Kids are demoralized by social media into a kind of nihilism and teachers generally view their students as useless and disruptive but also outside of their reach to correct.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is the most accurate, and has been the anecdotal takeaway in my family (virtually everyone in my family are teachers)

          Academic performance being pulled down by the black and Hispanic population is also an elephant in the room, and is only brought up in the sense that a white society has intentionally kept these groups down through institutionally racist educational infrastructure. Efforts to "close the inequality gap" is trendy but performative, and takes away from the core of the problem being a country that puts no money into education

          One thing Europeans might not know is that education in the US is actually near exclusively funded through state (as in provincial) tax dollars instead of federal taxes. This leaves very little resources to work with and wildly different standards of education between each state. This is apparent in conservative states in particular that put frick all into education, where shit is so bad you'd be better off sending your kid to a Mexican boarding school

          Ultimately, as long as the chasm between the rich and the working class remains so huge, there won't be any investment in public education and the US will continue to wither away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Read the Kansas City experiment.
            They got their nogs nigh unlimited resources and it changed nothing.
            It's pure leftist cope to believe that all we have to do is throw dumbstruck of money away to solve any problem.
            The biological reality is that a standard deviation of 15 IQ points is something that can't be adequately explained by MUH EQUITY.

            Tl;dr no amount of money can fix the fact the average Black person is moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >being a country that puts no money into education
            Another brainwashed gibs demon

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

            >Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

            >Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.

            https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Brutal

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              from families with incomes of less than $10,000
              $10k per what time period? Can't be a year.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you scroll to the bottom you can see that article/web page was written in ~2004. Yes, our currency has hyperinflated that much.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's to print the money to fund the failing black schools.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well frick me, that hurts so much I laughed out loud.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            idk how so many people believe this when it's so at odds with all the evidence we have. Baltimore spends ~$50k per student and has approximately 0% reading at grade level. It's actually incredible how wrong the "just throw resources at education" meme is and how often it's repeated. It must really appeal psychologically to people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > kept these groups down through institutionally racist educational infrastructure
            Europe, never accept foreigners as a part of your own. You will never recover from it as they continue to complain about fricking everything.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Spics, nigs and asians are making the USA dumber and shittier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >asians are making the USA dumber
          No

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The smart asians thing is 15 years out of date. It was true when 90% of asians were first gen immigrants who were upper class in their home country and thus able to afford a visa, and rode their kids asses. But now they're all 3rd and 4th gen who are obsessed with Black person culture aka moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Asians are morons whose families peddle gutter oil food and sell meth to Mexicans.

            You yellow fever gays don't have an argument. You just want to frick asian girls and don't think about the detriment of bringing in nonwhites beyond that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically, black people. They introduced a type of delinquency incompatible with Anglo society.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >spics don't Hispanic english
        >classes are taught in english
        The system is rigged against them, they are set up for failure from the start.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How could it possibly be worse? 12 year olds not knowing their times tables? lol

        I think I can have some input here as a similar issue is happening in my country (Australia) and judging from the posts here we are actually having almost exactly the same problems. Outside of racial issues, there is just a huge cultural trend towards anti-education attitudes. Many parents do not care about or take an active role in their child's education and see schools as daycare, then will take their child's side in issues raised by the teachers no matter how obviously at-fault the child is. Children absorb this anti-school attitude like a fricking sponge and just tune out - not to mention they are bombarded at every avenue on social media with people talking about side-hustles and dropping out of schools to start a business (""influencers""" like Andrew Tate are a giant problem for this). Teachers are extremely limited on how they can punish students (if you are in the public system, you basically cannot expel children no matter how bad they are) and just treated terribly by the public AND admin/educational departments in general. There are giant teacher shortages because no one wants to work in this toxic environment with the majority of kids hating school - addtionally, they are just poorly paid, overworked, and looked over by everyone.

        [...]
        Why aren't politicans trying to fix it? This would be an emergency in every other first world country

        >This would be an emergency in every other first world country

        Apparently it's also happening in Britain and France, though it's been a few years since I checked. I don't know if things have changed at all.

        It is also a problem in Australia. Measures have been taken to fix it, but the government legitimately has NO idea how to do it and keep introducing "fixes" that don't address the actual problem. There is just a general lack of respect for teachers and education from even the higher-ups in the department.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          School teachers were objectively better quality back when you could be a teacher if you had a college education and work experience in the subject matter. Now, and for a while, that doesn't matter because if you want to be a 'teacher' you have to get a specific 'teaching degree' from the outset which obviously attracts a certain type of person.

          Successful people who know their shit aren't going to reenroll in college that they haven't been in for 15-20 years and pay exorbitant costs to get a certificate on top of their life's work for permission to teach.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There has also been a phenomena where a lot of smart women who would have normally gone into education are now going into basically everything else. Colleges aren't sending their best.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You just think teachers were better 'back when' because students were generally more well behaved. Teaching an engaged, well-behaved class is the easiest fricking thing in the world and anyone can do it. Just having experience in your field doesn't really cut it these days. Behavioural/classroom management is an important skill to have, as well as educational strategies for all levels of students. It's good that it only attracts a "certain type of person" (i.e. a person that actually fricking cares about education, i don't know what you're getting at here) because teachers mainly do it because of their passion for teaching. Why else? Pay is shit, kids treat them like garbage, and people in other careers seem to think that it's nice and easy to be a teacher because they get paid school holidays.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Just having experience in your field doesn't really cut it
              How would you know, since the practice has been banned for decades?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because there are heaps of teachers like you mentioned. They get the certification and change careers but always have the hardest time out of any teachers in the school, even the fresh grads.

                >t's good that it only attracts a "certain type of person"
                Weirdos and freaks that specifically want access to children, yeah. Versus someone who had a successful career in mathematics or science or writing and enjoys the field so much he wants to transition to sharing it with the next generation, "i don't know what YOU'RE getting at here'. 🙂

                >Versus someone who had a successful career in mathematics or science or writing and enjoys the field so much he wants to transition to sharing it with the next generation
                Yeah... it wouldn't have been because it was easy to become a teacher then and it would give them power over students and easy access to children.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                it's coming back in some red states because the education budgets are so low that teachers are moving to other states and locals aren't going into the profession. The pay is so shit and the attrition rate is so high that teachers would rather be substitutes and work another part time job than teach full time. They are having such a hard time finding teachers in AZ they've "temporarily" lifted the certification requirement and provide multi-year grace period for new teachers, which allows the districts to hire basically anyone, no education degree or experience necessary.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >t's good that it only attracts a "certain type of person"
              Weirdos and freaks that specifically want access to children, yeah. Versus someone who had a successful career in mathematics or science or writing and enjoys the field so much he wants to transition to sharing it with the next generation, "i don't know what YOU'RE getting at here'. 🙂

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Teaching today is such a shit job. In addition to a certain demographic ruining everything every kid has a smartphone which destroys their attention span. Most good teachers I know are just giving up and doing something else. Which means the only ones who will do this job are creepy people who want to be around kids too much.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          all of this is true. i was a teacher. i left because kids these days have severe behavioral/psychological issues in fricking primary school. teachers don't have the resources to do anything about it. parents don't care. there are high school kids who don't know basic math or how to read. they're all extremely addicted to social media. it's impossible to describe how bad it has gotten over the past few years and how rapidly it's declined. there's going to be big problems in about a decade.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn’t worry about it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >there is just a huge cultural trend towards anti-education attitudes. Many parents do not care about or take an active role in their child's education and see schools as daycare

          That's because education in Australia is fricking shithouse. I'm not talking about teachers, or students, or academics or any of that, I mean the course work.

          I was in primary school in the 90s and high school in the 00s. I can tell you all about how the rainbow serpent carved out creeks and rivers and other Dream Time bullshit in Abo mythology because we'd spend at least 2 weeks every year learning about it in primary school. In high school we'd spend 2 weeks learning about how bad white people treated Abos and how we and the government need to apologize and make things better. We never learnt about successful Abos like Albert Namatjira or Lionel Rose.

          My entire education and knowledge of Australian war history comes from my own research and learning. The entirety of my school based education on the ANZACs was 2 classes in which we watched the movie Gallipoli. The school never taught us about Kokoda, or the Burma Railway. In fact there were kids in my year level who were in their 20s when they learnt that the Japs bombed Darwin in WWII. I only learnt about how WWI started, in school, because one day one of our teachers was sick and they sent a history teacher that had just told the school he was quitting at the end of the school year (which was like a month away) to replace her. He thought her lesson plan was shit and asked us what we wanted to know about history. Someone said "How did World War I start?" so he spent part of the lesson explaining that to us.
          Hell when I was 20 I watched Band of Brothers with my dad and my 16 year old sister asked what we were watching. I said it was about WWII and she replied, dead serious, "World War 2... that's the one where we fought that Chinese guy Hitler at Gallipoli right?".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            And speaking of Darwin, we were never taught about Hurricane Tracey. We never learnt about Hume and Hovell or Burke and Wills and their expeditions. We never learnt about William Bligh and the Mutiny on the HMS Bounty or the Rum Rebellion. We did learn a little bit about Ned Kelly, but only because we were on the edge of Kelly Country. When I was 25 I meet up with a bunch of school friends and one of them said she'd just moved into a place on Walsh street in Melbourne. I asked if it was "THE" Walsh street and she said it was, her place was just up from where it happened. Another friend looked perplexed and said "where what happened?" because he legitimately didn't know about the Walsh street shootings.
            A lot of us ended learning about contemporary and recent Australian history from shows like '20 to 1'.

            And it wasn't just history they failed to teach us. How many classes do you think they spent teaching us about Taxes or Budgeting and other important finance related things that we'd need to know once we were adults? Three or four classes a year? Haha, no. One class. One class, in year 10, in which they taught us about how taxes were important (but not how to say, lodge an income tax) and gave us a basic introduction to how to make a budget. Quite a few of my class mates ended up with bad credit card debt during their 20s.

            Australian education is almost useless because it teaches sweet frick all.

            I learnt about all those things in school. Or at least they mentioned them, because I can't remember a single thing about any of it, likely because Australian history is boring as frick.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            And speaking of Darwin, we were never taught about Hurricane Tracey. We never learnt about Hume and Hovell or Burke and Wills and their expeditions. We never learnt about William Bligh and the Mutiny on the HMS Bounty or the Rum Rebellion. We did learn a little bit about Ned Kelly, but only because we were on the edge of Kelly Country. When I was 25 I meet up with a bunch of school friends and one of them said she'd just moved into a place on Walsh street in Melbourne. I asked if it was "THE" Walsh street and she said it was, her place was just up from where it happened. Another friend looked perplexed and said "where what happened?" because he legitimately didn't know about the Walsh street shootings.
            A lot of us ended learning about contemporary and recent Australian history from shows like '20 to 1'.

            And it wasn't just history they failed to teach us. How many classes do you think they spent teaching us about Taxes or Budgeting and other important finance related things that we'd need to know once we were adults? Three or four classes a year? Haha, no. One class. One class, in year 10, in which they taught us about how taxes were important (but not how to say, lodge an income tax) and gave us a basic introduction to how to make a budget. Quite a few of my class mates ended up with bad credit card debt during their 20s.

            Australian education is almost useless because it teaches sweet frick all.

            Please. The truth is that Australian schooling genuinely does not touch upon enough Australian history (this goes for both things like vietnam as well as aboriginal persecution in events like the Black War), but you must have went to a shithouse school because I definitely did learn about successful abos like charles perkins, mabo, namatjira, neville bonner, etc. as well as Australias involvement in the world wars. Cyclone Tracy as well, was like a major part on a full unit on Natural Disasters that I think I did in year 7 or 8 geography. I know you're being disengenuous about some of this because math classes (particularly in year 9 and 10) have mandatory financial literacy units. The reason that people don't seem to know about these is because they don't fricking pay attention. Half of the kids you get in a classroom genuinely don't take in any information you give them and then later in life they complain that the schooling system is broken (which it is, but not for these reasons) like you despite the fact that they were taught everything they complained about.

            I would also like to remind you that school is not the only place you should learn about things. Children should also be taught by their parents (especially life skills things like taxes) and should learn through exposure to the world/news around them. Schools absolutely cannot and should not teach EVERYTHING and it's stupid to think so.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >there is just a huge cultural trend towards anti-education attitudes. Many parents do not care about or take an active role in their child's education and see schools as daycare

          That's because education in Australia is fricking shithouse. I'm not talking about teachers, or students, or academics or any of that, I mean the course work.

          I was in primary school in the 90s and high school in the 00s. I can tell you all about how the rainbow serpent carved out creeks and rivers and other Dream Time bullshit in Abo mythology because we'd spend at least 2 weeks every year learning about it in primary school. In high school we'd spend 2 weeks learning about how bad white people treated Abos and how we and the government need to apologize and make things better. We never learnt about successful Abos like Albert Namatjira or Lionel Rose.

          My entire education and knowledge of Australian war history comes from my own research and learning. The entirety of my school based education on the ANZACs was 2 classes in which we watched the movie Gallipoli. The school never taught us about Kokoda, or the Burma Railway. In fact there were kids in my year level who were in their 20s when they learnt that the Japs bombed Darwin in WWII. I only learnt about how WWI started, in school, because one day one of our teachers was sick and they sent a history teacher that had just told the school he was quitting at the end of the school year (which was like a month away) to replace her. He thought her lesson plan was shit and asked us what we wanted to know about history. Someone said "How did World War I start?" so he spent part of the lesson explaining that to us.
          Hell when I was 20 I watched Band of Brothers with my dad and my 16 year old sister asked what we were watching. I said it was about WWII and she replied, dead serious, "World War 2... that's the one where we fought that Chinese guy Hitler at Gallipoli right?".

          And speaking of Darwin, we were never taught about Hurricane Tracey. We never learnt about Hume and Hovell or Burke and Wills and their expeditions. We never learnt about William Bligh and the Mutiny on the HMS Bounty or the Rum Rebellion. We did learn a little bit about Ned Kelly, but only because we were on the edge of Kelly Country. When I was 25 I meet up with a bunch of school friends and one of them said she'd just moved into a place on Walsh street in Melbourne. I asked if it was "THE" Walsh street and she said it was, her place was just up from where it happened. Another friend looked perplexed and said "where what happened?" because he legitimately didn't know about the Walsh street shootings.
          A lot of us ended learning about contemporary and recent Australian history from shows like '20 to 1'.

          And it wasn't just history they failed to teach us. How many classes do you think they spent teaching us about Taxes or Budgeting and other important finance related things that we'd need to know once we were adults? Three or four classes a year? Haha, no. One class. One class, in year 10, in which they taught us about how taxes were important (but not how to say, lodge an income tax) and gave us a basic introduction to how to make a budget. Quite a few of my class mates ended up with bad credit card debt during their 20s.

          Australian education is almost useless because it teaches sweet frick all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Australian education is almost useless because it teaches sweet frick all.
            No. It's shit for two reasons.

            The first is that because nobody remembers anything year to year, so you have half the time to teach everything (can't teach algebra without teaching fractional operations and factors; can't teach those without teaching multiplication tables; fewer than 10% of students have memorised those, so buckle up it's time to take this year 10 class back to grade four, then grade seven, then grade eight).

            The second reason it's shit is because we can't just frick off the disruptive twerps and more. We have to respect their neurodivergence and try to engage them, ie, allow them to frick up every lesson every week.

            So you don't get the time you need to teach anything, and you can't teach anything because Jaiden Eshayy-Brah is interrupting every three seconds.

            It sucks, but the curriculum isn't the problem.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >can you guys stop with the euphemisms and just explain for us non-americans what the problem is?

        Black folk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >same cognitive level as a *moronic* 5 year old

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What kind of youths? Spring Breakers? Lunchtime Rowdies? Student Athletes? Aspiring Artist?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Crimers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Joggers

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >mfw remembering when the Armed Robbery case happened and the entirety of liberal social media rushed to start posting about how its completely normal to jog in full jeans and steeltoe boots through active construction sites and there's nothing suspicious about it, even hollywood celebs were posting this shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            clown world is fricking hilarious
            Just dont let that shit into your house. Be a passive observer and watch the world burn

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The only depressing thing is remembering how hard those guys got fricked by the attention. The guy who had nothing to do with intercepting or stopping Armed Robbery and only stood 50 feet away and filmed the event got 30 years in prison. For standing on the other side of the road with a camera.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How??

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Americans worship Black folk, it's not a joke.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      youtes?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Americans have it so good 90% don't even need to know algebra or basic English skills
    >third worlders seeth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we dont need to learn X
      new cope just dropped, nobody in the US knows anything because everyone in school is nonwhite

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why are you so obsessed with race/skin-color?
        It seems like it's literally all Eurotrash ever talk about.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    However bad you think it is, it's actually worse than that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How could it possibly be worse? 12 year olds not knowing their times tables? lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's an exchange student in our local school district this year from Germany. Say what you want about krautland, he can speak like four languages, three fluently.
        The kids here graduate barely able to read.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >exchange student in our local school district this year from Germany
          That's because we only allow our absolute fricking nerds abroad for exchanges. Not even kidding, the selection processes are literally designed only to be passed by the overachieving types.

          In contrast we had two American lads this year, they wouldn't ever graduate here. They barely passed English.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        can you guys stop with the euphemisms and just explain for us non-americans what the problem is?

        In the worst parts of America (black/Hispanic areas), full-grown nogs literally cannot read or write. No joke, no exaggeration. The nigs CANNOT READ by their graduation year. It's a little better for trailer park rednecks but not by much. They can read, but not well. Public schools in these areas are basically daycares. Most of the kids are "raised" by single moms who do not discipline or look after them, and the teachers have long since given up trying. Kids beat and shoot each other every day, sometimes there are bomb threats. There are school shooting drills and checkpoints with cops and metal detectors at the entrances of even elementary schools. It's expected that most of the kids will get pregnant/impregnate someone and/or drop out before graduation.

        Obviously this does not reflect White schools with standards, but these are being increasingly eroded as the years pass, the brown/mutt population displaces them, and the brown/mutt mentality gains purchase even in the minds of lower class Whites. Standards have dropped consistently every single year since the borders were opened and desegregation happened, both around the same time period 60 years ago. The results speak for themselves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >12 year olds not knowing their times tables?
        Or how to fricking READ. Hell, most highschool students can't read. Other poster was right, public schools are unfathomably bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kids in grades 10-12 can't read. We're cooked when they enter the work force.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        21 year olds*
        Who cannot calculate their own grade in any class
        >t. Math teacher at community college

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Roughly 21% or so Americans are illiterate.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not true actually. That just tests english fluency. Real number is probably low 90s.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’d be surprised
            I took Spanish classes and a large number of first generation immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are still technically illiterate - they speak Spanish at home but never had much formal Spanish education and fail the grammar tests we were given in class

            idk how so many people believe this when it's so at odds with all the evidence we have. Baltimore spends ~$50k per student and has approximately 0% reading at grade level. It's actually incredible how wrong the "just throw resources at education" meme is and how often it's repeated. It must really appeal psychologically to people.

            Differences in outcome MUST be due to differences in material environment
            Funding can change the material environment and so WILL create equal outcomes

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm so glad I went to school when the country was still white. I can't imagine having to actually go to school with spanish speaking immigrants who contributed nothing to the country but showed up, statistically uninvited, and now get free everything.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              In my high school senior English class(the last one before we graduate), we had to watch Shakespeare plays on a tv with Spanish subtitles because some students couldn't speak English. This was in Texas by the way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I teach college engineering. I had a student try to argue with me that 24 divided by 16 is fricking 8. This was a 20-year-old student.

        It’s only going to get worse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        30 year olds who can't do basic multiplication and division, but still make okay money, go figure. This world doesn't reward those who are great, but those who are well connected and suck the right dick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know my times Tables and I'm 29 (and white).
        I'm surebi could teach myself easily I just never got around to it.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    r/teachers and r/professors is real doomerpilling

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    algebra is boring as frick and most kids skate because theyre fricking teenagers and dont care anyways.
    >C=complete
    >D=done

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was CAL-COOLus.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's worse because more Mexicans keep coming

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Just find a way to reach them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >reach sub 90 iq masses
        We only need so many floor moppers and taco stands to function.

        >This would be an emergency in every other first world country

        Apparently it's also happening in Britain and France, though it's been a few years since I checked. I don't know if things have changed at all.

        Both countries are still flooded with 3rd worlders, so I would assume they're on track to give America a run for its money unless they start mass deportations. (They won't; they'll allow them to breach the countryside and destroy the heartlands.)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >We only need so many floor moppers
          🙁 I have a stem degree and I'm stuck being a floor mopper. Ironically working at a university across the street from my alma mater. The price I pay for being a cis-normative white guy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's crazy. I have a STEM degree and make six figures as a data scientist. Everyone on my team and in my chain of command are white guys except one who might be part hispanic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I didn't network as I was an older student and had been working full time when I went back to finish off my degree.
              Lost the small franchise I had been working for almost 10 years during the housing crash. Went back to finish the ~60 credits I needed but also had to keep working. School's science and tech job fairs were horseshit with identities like our local major grocery chain, banks, and public transit outfits.
              I actually had something lined up right as the stay at home order hit. Literally my on boarding was due to start that week. Low and behold the company terminated our contract and pandemic unemployment ahoy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jfc mate, I don't care what your degree is in (stem is great though), look into water treatment. The industry is turning over and boomers are leaving a massive void that desperately needs to be filled.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to try and peep it, I do live in a water rich area. Although if it's a county job it'll be a little rough as they're really protective of those around here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Apply anyway to everything that looks manageable for your lifestyle. I'm telling you from firsthand experience, they make those job descriptions seem awful just to filter out non-nepo candidates from even applying. Most positions don't even require more than a high school degree; apply anyway, as your degree will sort you from the chaff to become higher management.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they make those job descriptions seem awful just to filter out non-nepo candidates from even applying
                That's a deep cut because that's the online job hunt game anymore. Outrageously inflated prereqs. Regardless I'll start exploring that angle when I finish throwing this rat lab's bags of shit and litter out, cheers anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >:( I have a stem degree and I'm stuck being a floor mopper.
            Nah, this is made up.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's not though. 76% of all recent comp sci grads were unemployed in 2016. Comp sci was the only stem field with more job openings than recent grads for that year. The worst field was non-med bio at like a 16:1 grads to jobs. Go look at how great things are going for the recently laid off tech workers.
              If you don't have an inside handshake to get your resume to the right people, job hunting becomes a sunk cost for a lot of people. Christ the mantra on campus when I went back was, networking is more important than your education, for specifically that reason. Think it's gotten any better?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >76% of all recent comp sci grads were unemployed in 2016.
                Cannot find this info.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How do we reach those keedz?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't he reach those kids in the end?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but he was so successful he made all the other teachers look bad so the union shut down his program.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry they're not failing anymore.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Math scores have been declining since the 80s, that is until Zoomers came along, the ultimate tech wiz kids come to save us.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And i thought schools were hell before, smarter, what a joke.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        running away from feds with guns gets dem keeds noggins joggin

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >our fake new scoring system shows how great were doing which is why we need help to restore the mess we've made

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And i thought schools were hell before, smarter, what a joke.

      >our fake new scoring system shows how great were doing which is why we need help to restore the mess we've made

      Common Core killed it. If you graduated in 2007-2010, you were the last American children that even had the chance at a real education.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even before Common Core, No Child Left Behind was doing unspeakable damage to education. CC is just the nail in the coffin.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All those No Child Left Behind israelites and boomers spat upon my 140 IQ black honorary wignat gf and worshipped her 80IQ blacker total nig criminal sister. They gave literal medals and awards to the niggest nigs who had the dumbest smiles. Boomers applauded the BASKETBALL scholarships and seethingly glared mean mugging me and my Mathletes, my speech n debate, my programming club, my AV club my karate club, my wrestling team.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even as an 8 year old when this program was program was introduced, the detriments that resulted from it were immediately obvious. As one of the better students, it was depressing to have the feeling like I wasn't worthy of the teachers' time because the most important thing was now ALL THE FRICKING moronS WHO CAN'T DO BASIC SHIT. In Massachusetts where I was, we already had standardized testing called MCAS, and similar programs were adopted in all the other states that didn't already have one. Now, in theory the idea of having a standardized test so you can assess the general quality of schools shouldn't be a bad idea, but of course it became the only metric by which school performance was judged, so every fricking resource the school had went into muh "improving scores." And the worst part about the tests was that THEY WERE DEAD FRICKING EASY. With absolutely no preparation whatsoever, even the laziest students would be able to pass it no problem. Yet our entire fricking year was spent preparing for this trash. The kicker? ALMOST ALL OF THE STUDENTS WHO FAILED WERE IMMIGRANTS WHO COULDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH OR LITERAL, MEDICALLY CERTIFIED moronS. It didn't matter if you were fresh off the fricking boat no-speaky-english illegals, you still had to take the test, and when you failed your school district was chastised for it. There was no separate category for non-english speakers or actual certified morons, so all these tests did was reflect our percentage of these populations while the rest of the students wasted their whole year preparing for a test that could be passed with zero intelligence whatsoever.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do the "medically certified morons" attend the same public schools as normal kids in the US? Or is there a special needs school / whatever polite name, but the cutoff is way too inadequate?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They put morons right in the classrooms with everyone. They've been doing it for at least 20 years. The only ones who were relegated to their own "classes" were the ones who were vegetable tier because they basically got babysat by aids all day while they drooled.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, most of the morons do, but are put in "Special Education" classes that are separate from everyone else. And then if you were violently or catatonically moronic, you might get sent to a regional special education facility specializing in whatever issues you might have.

              Nowadays, however, the lines between special and not are being blurred with the introduction of "ed plans" which are basically when parents don't want to admit their kid is moronic and work with the school admin to create a list of special privileges so their kids can be in "normal" classes at a lower standard. A pretty significant portion of kids have "ed plans" now and it has made the academic standards and behavior even worse, though this occurred after my time in school so I can't speak to it personally.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This movie left me hanging
    "Repeat after me: a negative times a negative equals a positive"
    "A negative times a negative equals a positive!"
    "Again"
    A negative times a negative equals a positive!"
    "WHY?"
    (scene cuts away)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      (-1)*(-1)
      = (-1)*(0-1)
      = (-1*0)-(-1*1)
      = 0-(-1)
      = 0+1
      = 1

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >= 0-(-1)
        >= 0+1
        Circular reasoning there, that's what has to be proven in the first place. Try again.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's not circular reasoning, dumbdumb. -(-1) = 1 follows from commutativity of inverses.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"WHY?"
      Take a sock.
      Turn it inside out
      Turn it inside out again.
      It's how it started.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cause a negation of a negation is logically nullified b***hes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dialectics proved to be the law of the universe yet again, b***hes.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It can't be this bad can it?
    >Surely things have improved since then
    heh y-yea

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hey yay? You mean yeah? Sorry but this shit kills me.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Boomers literally dislike it if their kids know more than them, so this plays into their hands.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was in the dumb shit classes for anything math related in school it was the one subject i was just plain moronic at

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Am a math tutor at a university. The amount of 20 year olds that cannot even CONCEPTUALLY (because they cannot even do it in practice) explain what a function or an equation is is astonishing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’m a junior in engineering with an A in every math through differential equations and I can’t explain to you what a function, derivative, or integral is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I was one of those 25 year olds who went back to school for a STEM degree. Worked in the tutoring center and as a private tutor. Same shit, kids basically spend two times the effort figuring out how to cheat rather than just learning algebra. We had multiple students entering college taking high school level math course that should not have been college credit worthy. Will never forget the one basketball player who did not know the 0 or 1 times tables, glad i graduated and got an engineering job. Teaching is a hopeless endeavor at this point.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >rather than just learning algebra
        Holy shit is this actually the ceiling for high schoolers now? Fricking algebra?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao no, worse. We even had several “college” courses like “math for life” and “business math” that was basic probability, percentages, and basic functions on training wheels, just so these kids could have college math credit. You’d think my sample was skewed as a tutor but all of the student athletes were required to go to tutoring an hour a week. They were almost all completely moronic. I had maybe two that didn’t need help or did their work without issue.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I forget how I did in algebra I but I didn't even do Algebra II because I was too dumb for it. I expect it was also just taking advantage of the opportunity to not have to learn it. I didn't want to learn a foreign language in college because what's the point, but my university I transferred to required 4 years. I did the 4 years and it was not nearly as bad as I thought. Different situation, but point being if push came to shove and there was no way to weasel out kids might force themselves to learn math.

            I know that teenagers would still not want to learn it, but I'd wager teaching kids more applicable math like with credit APR and investments would be far more useful than i heff tweve meechsteeck. But had them still being moronic for more applicable math.

            >happy movie ending
            >look up real story
            >he starts getting real results with his methods
            >expands and school district start actually getting better
            >other teachers and management start becoming jealous
            >start mass harassment campaign agaisnt the guy
            >he leaves when it becomes too much
            >school district goes back to shit
            I really should have just stayed with the movie story

            Institutions are inevitably the height of corruption and self-serving. It was a laugh riot having NPR go full knives out when someone had the audacity to air their dirty laundry about internal bias. You even had these journalists who normally would chastise any institution for circling the wagons suddenly blast this guy for not keeping it internal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          White math grad here. I myself was a poor student but when I applied myself the concepts came easily and I enjoy the subject for its own sake, the only reason I studied it. I also enjoy the history of math as a related topic, a very dry, dull, unsexy topic. When you learn the history of math, what comes out is that humanity's greatest mathematical achievement for thousands of years is... solving quadratics. That's it. Over and over and over again, they figure out how to solve quadratics or thereabouts, and then it all just sort of stops. Human beings, in general, simply are not wired for the precise, abstract conceptual work of mathematics, which is what this thread is really all about. I agree that it's depressing that even arithmetic and single-variable algebra are difficult for the muds being described in the thread, but still.

          It's only in the past 3-400 years or so, that very small groups of European whites, israelites and east asians had enough spare time, had their basic needs and wants met, to the point that they could devote their mental energy to "real" math, starting with Cardano et al, picking up steam with the development of calculus but then only finally, really getting into "real" math around the 18th century.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          My high school's minimum to graduate was Algebra 2. They had precalc, AP calc and AP stats for people who went beyond it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          its strange to me too.my u.s. high school required one more math class beyond geometry to learn so that you can graduate high school. so learning you can just graduate with just algebra at other schools is odd.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and this constant lowering of standards and shifting towards designing middle and high school programs to accommodate the worst students at the expense of the excellent students is even cascading into affecting higher ed now.

          I teach college physics at an R1 school, and 75% of our incoming freshmen are coming in without any pre-calc classes (Algebra II, Geometry II, Trig, etc.) and are having to spend their first semester or two playing catch-up. It's become so bad we can't even reliably fill Physics 1 courses in the Fall anymore (there's not enough students in each class with the math pre-reqs to get the class above the threshold). We've had no alternative but to redesign our curriculum to shift everything back a semester to accommodate the unprepared students, which means the students basically have to overload their third and fourth years to graduate on time. Add to that the ever-more-bloated core and elective requirements, and its basically a miracle to get them through intermediate level courses.

          It's easy to imagine how this is fricking with graduate programs as well.

          Forcing the entire education system to bend over backwards just so educators can drag the worst students across the finish line at every level has been fricking disastrous for the United States. The issues during Covid just put a spotlight on how bad the chronic problem has become.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’m a junior in engineering with an A in every math through differential equations and I can’t explain to you what a function, derivative, or integral is.

      Math in the US (I can't really speak of other countries) is bizarre in that it has gotten to the point that the vast majority of math education professionals have little to no conceptual understanding of mathematics. I basically see them as grammarians of mathematics: they can be quite skilled in the logic of transforming equations around to fit the needs of the problem they are trying to solve, but hardly any of them could tell you WHY the equations were formulated that way in the first place.

      It wasn't until I was like 21 that I finally figured out on my own what a graph was: OH SHIT, if you have an equation with two or more variables, you can intersect two number lines and the coordinates can represent the values of the variables, which will allow you to plot a visual representation of the relationship the variables have in a specific equation. In more conceptual terms: a graph is a visual isomorphism for the possible answers of an equation. Yet when I was first taught algebra in seventh grade, the teacher was like, "uhhh, so there's these things called functions and uhhh you can make a graph out of it and uhhh rise over run" without ever explaining what the frick this graph actually was. It was just this extremely abstract thing that an equation "makes" a graph.

      I had such an odd experience in college getting interested in logic and the history of mathematics after being horrible at math in high school. When you look at the developments of math as being reactions to the limitations of previous systems, it actually makes sense. But in school with teachers who don't understand the reason for anything, concepts appear in such an arbitrary way, like "hey, also numbers can be imaginary now, get used it to" and no one understands shit. I think that math curricula should mirror the history of math, so in kindergarten you start with prehistoric caveman addition, and by the time you graduate high school you're at like the end of the 18th century

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They tried to "fix" this with common core and it just ended up worse. Instead of reinforcing the conceptual understanding of the topics through visual and physical methods like geometric representations of functions they just doubled down on the abstraction of the "grammar" and actually teach those little estimation and rounding strategies you'd do in your head for quick and dirty mental math as legitimate curriculum.

        Instead of helping students understand basic operations with multiple place values by having them physically sort objects into groups and move objects around as necessary to complete the operation they have the students drawing bubble diagrams on paper where they list their "closest guess" and then repeatedly check their work. It's insanely stupid.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It wasn't until I was like 21 that I finally figured out on my own what a graph was
        and to think that this is the most powerful nation in the world...
        chinese century here we go

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What did you to do to help yourself understand things more conceptually? I feel like I'm in the same place you were.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To complete my one requisite math course in college, I opted to take a formal logic class, and that was my entry into the concepts of math. Logic was very clear in that it starts from fundamental rules and builds off of that, so it felt for me like a fresh start free from the muddle of things I had learned in public school math. From there, I started reading about Bertrand Russell and the attempts to formalize mathematics and philosophy around the turn of the 20th century (see also Frege and the Vienna school), which then leads up to Godel proving the impossibility of ever having a fully formalized system of mathematics. So I realize my path is rather unorthodox and not for all tastes, but being inclined to philosophy it made sense on an intuitive level for me. There are plenty of free logic courses online you could check out (and plenty of old textbooks available for cheap), and it if you're looking for something more fun and lightweight, you can try Logicomix and Godel, Escher, Bach (scigays will probably jump on me for recommending that, and it certainly has its problems, but its does give insight into how mathematicians understand which problems are meaningful and worthy of pursuit). On the weightier side, the books Godel's Proof by Nadler does a remarkable job of distilling a crucial moment in math into a dense but understandable breakdown. Once you understand the concept of axioms and proofs, the methods of math become a lot clearer on the conceptual level, so logic and the philosophy of math gave me the basis to then branch out from fundamentals.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You might like physics or it's history because a lot of math was created in response to unsolvable physics questions. Then there was a bit of a runaway with pure math autists creating and solving things, with physicists later realizing they could be applied to their problems.
        Anyway, I personally like and learn math as a tool, but it's rarely taught like that in an academic setting. I think all my favorite math books are titled Math Methods in Physics.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Classroom scene in British school
    >student only opened two Wonka bars

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That was just one class of one school It has gotten much worse and entire cities can't pass elementary school math.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >happy movie ending
    >look up real story
    >he starts getting real results with his methods
    >expands and school district start actually getting better
    >other teachers and management start becoming jealous
    >start mass harassment campaign agaisnt the guy
    >he leaves when it becomes too much
    >school district goes back to shit
    I really should have just stayed with the movie story

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Teachers are usually lazy pathetic pussies who took a job they know they cant get fired from (unless they beat up or molest a kid) and which gives them power over people who are smaller and stupider than them, children. They're very prone to bucket crab mentality

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Being a teacher doesn't pay enough today.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          When you repeatedly vote to outsource the "dirty" parts of your job like physical security, interfacing with parents, managing of budgeting of classroom materials and hardware, and really everything except active instruction and grading to external administrative bodies, you shouldn't be surprised that your compensation dwindles dramatically. It's not uncommon for administrative personnel to outnumber actual teachers, including adjunct staff and substitutes, 2:1. Administrative and tech related feature bloat are the reasons for poor teacher pay.

          well if they're 16, a junior, and still in basic algebra, than they're probably the biggest morons in the school aside from the seniors who are still in basic algebra. by junior year most students are in trigonometry or precalc

          Let me guess, you graduated high school over 10 years ago.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Let me guess, you graduated high school over 10 years ago.

            no i just don't live near Black folk and spics, thankfully

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Teachers are usually lazy pathetic pussies
        True.
        Source: I am a teacher and the amount of self absorbed, self aggrandizing knowitalls with zero social or didactic skills in this profession is staggering. And to top it off, the worst ones usually move on to train new teachers.

        >who took a job they know they cant get fired from (unless they molest a kid)
        Not even then. Working an underserved district or teaching a rare/in demand subject will have them just relocated unless we are talking elementary school/lower middle school or serial/violent offenses.
        But many a teacher (both sexes) that hooked up with a HS student just got a stern talking to and was sent to the boonies or town over.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >https://reason.com/2002/07/01/stand-and-deliver-revisited-2/
      Man holy shit, you're right.
      The guy had made a breakthrough like none other and they fricking merked him for it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The saddest part is the man developed some sort of amazing pedagogy system and he was never able to properly pass it on, none of the people he taught it to were able to properly do it. It is such a sad story.

        [...]
        [...]
        Education turns kids communist. We can't be having that.

        How in the world do you become this schizophrenic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >https://reason.com/2002/07/01/stand-and-deliver-revisited-2/
      Man holy shit, you're right.
      The guy had made a breakthrough like none other and they fricking merked him for it.

      >rather than just learning algebra
      Holy shit is this actually the ceiling for high schoolers now? Fricking algebra?

      Education turns kids communist. We can't be having that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The saddest part is the man developed some sort of amazing pedagogy system and he was never able to properly pass it on, none of the people he taught it to were able to properly do it. It is such a sad story.

        [...]
        How in the world do you become this schizophrenic.

        >taking a Leftist sock-puppet seriously
        Meanwhile in reality actual IRL leftist "anti-fascists" are the ones at war with Education.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Zionist

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its been so long since ive done any math (its been nearly 20 years since i graduated high school) im afraid i most likely forgot how to do everything i learned as a kid, if someone gave me a sheet of math problems to do i think id probably not be able to answer one lol sometimes i think i should sign up for some math classes at the local community college just to remember how to do all that shit again, not that ive ever once needed to use it in real life but still makes me sad ive most likely forgotten how to do all of it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I actually had that. I am 34 and I hooked up with a 18 year old and she was doing a 'test homework' on math. For fun, i asked her if i could do it and see the results. She was down.

      Everything made sense to me on paper and i wrote down the answers (most of them were multiple choice), but somehow i failed the test. I was kinda baffled by my forgetfulness.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I relearned it to help my nephew with his homework. It's not difficult at all to brush up, just gotta put some WD-40 on those old rusty gears.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >its a "you're not going to have a calculator in your pocket" episode

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i just always copied my answers off the asian kid next to me

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you ever stumble into teacher tiktok youll see the kids these days are fricking FINISHED.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always have a hard time telling whether the top of his hair is really shiny or that's his scalp showing through thinning hair

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dropped out of highschool and can't do basic math, I also do chemistry work for a medicinal company.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    well if they're 16, a junior, and still in basic algebra, than they're probably the biggest morons in the school aside from the seniors who are still in basic algebra. by junior year most students are in trigonometry or precalc

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is what city high schools are like in Texas

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Replacing white scores with * because they would ruin the narrative
      kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nope, look below it. There's only 4 white students and they don't do percentages below 5 students.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You know it was higher those years and they put the * to hide that fact.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're vastly underestimating how bad it's gotten

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Why does this former Mexican territory have so many Mexicans??

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                have a nice day you ignorant moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mexicans never lived here, that's why they invited the whites which ended up being a terrible idea obviously

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Most of the Mexican Concession was basically unpopulated and certainly not by huge numbers of Latinos.
                Most of the West's Latino population has under 40 years of habitation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I worked for a govt stats dept and that’s the cutoff we used as well

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Black folk are so close to complete mental moronation.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomers and younger are like 90% non white
    It's become about 90% worse than whatever you think it is.
    I remember a number of years ago they collectively decided to do a "day without immigrants" to show how integral they are to America. It backfired spectacularly when no one who is actually productive could figure out why the day went so smoothly and peacefully (roads were clear and civilized, classrooms got through the whole week's content in just that morning, etc) and the 'immigrants' never tried it again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It backfired spectacularly
      No it didn't. Nobody participates in that shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But they did. Parents kept their kids home that say and facebook was filled with teachera confused about how the class was so cooperative that they got through the entire week's studies. Twitter was filled with various comments about how wonderful and unexpectedly peaceful the day was.

        My own workplace had to go most of the day without having our trash cans emptied before, y'know, we just decided to empty them ourselves. But maybe I should mention I live in NJ, where the illegals outnumber us 2:1.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That never happened. You don't remember it. You remember /misc/ jokes about how funny it would be if that happened.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I sincerely wish it were a joke, because instead it's just very blackpilling about the trajectory of this country.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          when I went to college there were black students who couldn't read. They were sounding out words like it was 1st grade. I thought he was trolling the teacher at first.

          This is also bullshit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. No it's not. You must live a very sheltered life. One where you don't interact with diversity at all. Next time you talk to a teacher ask them about literacy rates. They'll tell you illiterate students just keep graduating to the next grade.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    improved?? they've gotten worse, dawg. you can't tell from the frickin posts here or on x or on youtube?

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the thread where we pretend 99% of jobs require any math at all? Even then it'll just be basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Math ability is a good proxy for capability to execute complex tasks and indication of self control. You teach kids math not because the manipulation of expressions themselves are applicable to their lives later, but because the skills and experience they gain in the process of learning directly maps onto all sorts of tasks they are likely to encounter in their day to day life, especially if they end up employed doing anything beyond flipping plastic parts fresh out of injection molds on an assembly line.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        math is for ugly people

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I dropped out and put off getting my diploma for years. When I went back, I was super pissed that I had to get through algebra because I had already worked a few jobs that don't require any math whatsoever. Including a job at a fricking bank. If you were a teller or some other low level entry job the computer did everything for you. Even the higher ups like investment bankers just used excel to do all of their work for them.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No child left behind initiated a mad dash towards the lowest possible standards in education.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't the real teacher very racist?

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    when I went to college there were black students who couldn't read. They were sounding out words like it was 1st grade. I thought he was trolling the teacher at first.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hated math as a kid and took pre-algebra as a freshman in high school and didn't take calculus until college. Ended up becoming a software dev though.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love how you moron don't get teachers are to few and underpaid.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm American and I took Algebra I, and passed it easily, in Middle-School.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >improved

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't read any of this shit, mods nuke this thread

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've been subbing in high school the past month while I wait for grad school to start and it's way worse. It's a miracle that the Simian creatures in the classes are so well behaved (majority white area. I have yet to have more than 3 Simians in my class at the same time). But they are always the loudest and most disruptive students. Like the concept of an "indoor voice" doesnt exist to them. One rather large She-Boon required a security escort to take a trip to the bathroom. Shocking, that that exists. I know.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Like the concept of an "indoor voice" doesnt exist to them.
      It doesn't. Black people are just naturally loud and they can't turn it off. My wife is black, she's beautiful, sweet, very nice, intelligent, hates Black folk even more than I do, but her default volume is 11. If you live around blacks and open your windows you'll be able to hear them talking on their phones from a mile away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I used to teach and although some students were not very good I was happy to see one of my students succeed
      A very rotund Afro youth, he’d won the school spelling bee and actually turned in his homework and so I had high hopes for him
      One day, as I was walking home, him and some other students were talking with me (I walked a couple blocks to the bus stop each day)
      As we walked, the smart kid told me a story about how the previous night he’d been bothered by a puppy barking outside his window and so he’d gone out with a hammer and smashed its skull
      Really, it’s much worse hearing that from the kid that’s supposed to be the role model - and I know this story sounds schizo but it’s true

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's "improved" in the sense that less students are failing but that's only because the standards are much, much, much lower. Students failing reflects poorly on the school which means less funding, so teachers are encouraged to pass students they shouldn't to keep up appearances.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Surely things have improved since then
    Yes the country becoming more brown and black has definitely caused a massive improvement in math scores

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny to me that you think that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      and captcha agrees with regards to the current situation, it seems.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >spend years in college getting an advanced stem degree to make ~$35/hr
      >these golems cry and scream and shit their pants and get gifted $20/hr fast food jobs by big daddy gov that any 15 year old can sign up for
      why even bother

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mediocre hand writing
      >most questions wrong
      It's over

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >her
        shes hired and will likely be your shift manager by the end of the year because they need to get her away from anything involving money

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Any school with *gamer words* are that bad.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >keeps the quieter kids on their toes
      wtf

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its only getting worse

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like enough correct answers to work retail tbh

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    eastern euros remember times when america was seen as a paradise on earth with booming economy and people living happily
    nowadays I am so thankful that I live in my little country that only gets to spectate the demise of american dream

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's nice you have this cope but the average american makes, and will make for the foreseeable future, around twice what you make in your comfy euro nanny state. Cinemaphile is not the real world, education is shit because of groids but USA still has a lot going for it. In most countries you can actually go to prison for saying Black person lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        whatever you say, the last time I saw a Black person in person was ~15 years ago on my school trip to the capital

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HOW DO I REACH THEEZ KEEDZ

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Based Husker teaching all those rookies how to acquire an effective firing solution on Cylon Raiders without any active FCs

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: Jaime Escalante carried Garfield High's calculus program on his back. After he was forced out by jealous faculty, the calculus program collapsed, and Garfield turned into every other ghetto Hispanic high school, pumping out nothing but drug dealers, ditch diggers, and all around failures.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is that, like most professions, teaching attracts three types of people:
      >People who see it as their calling and give 200% trying to make a genuine difference
      >People who just see it as a mediocre paycheck and make the minimum effort
      >Bad actors who want to be in a position of authority over others so they can bully, molest, indoctrinate, or corrupt them.
      And unfortunately the latter two groups far outnumber the former.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        90% of the first group are in the second after five years, if they even stay in the profession.

        Teaching is corrosive to your mental health.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Blacks aside there is too much focus on soft subjects in western education. Literature, history, politics, philosophy, society, this kind of knowledge that makes you *sound* smart. Students know lots about that, more on average than Asian students. I taught a Chinese boy who was excellent at maths but couldn't find China on a map, for example. People would think he was a moron for that

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you fail anything in school that's your teachers fault

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In my school all the higher achieving students were placed in separate classrooms. Is this not how it went for you all?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think you may have misunderstood, it was just you going to the class where eating glue was permitted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I should have skipped grades. I took Algebra 1 and 2 twice, despite getting an A+ each time because the school system could not find better teachers and had to pad the time from 5th grade to 8th grade until I got a PreCalc teacher in 9th grade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >alright class group assignment!
      >normie A, you're with normie B
      >egghead A, Egghead B I am going to split you up! Cant have you talking all class! Egghead A youre with Drooling moron A and Egghead B youre with Normie C!
      >yay equality!
      I always got the worst grades because of this. At best I could complete half the assignment and I got 50%.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        its the surrogate method - teachers pair up shit students with good students as a final, desperate hail mary, hoping the good students might somehow relate to or connect with the students they've failed to reach. unfortunately, as you say, it just ends up dragging the good students down even more.

        sooner or later we have to just openly acknowledge that a lot of students are fricking moronic and aren't worth the enormous resources and manhours being wasted on them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah I got stuck in that situation a few times in high school. and it would almost always be with some kid on the football team or cheer team who was more concerned with getting laid than doing the work. I once did get this mexican illegal but that one I didnt mind because even though he didnt know the material I could actually count on him to at least try to help me do the work instead of just trying to pass it all on to me while he did frick all like some of the other people I would work with.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it’s another Zoomers fail to learn a basic skill most people master by age 9 episode

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My sister's son was like this. He kept asking what time it was and if someone tried to explain the clokc to him he'd freak out and cry until they stopped

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why oh why would you run a fricking screenshot of text through some AI-enhancement filter. Jesus fricking christ that looks SO bad.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's arguably worse now. Even upper and middle class kids lost a year to covid and have all become severely ADD from screen addiction

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >White
    >Have dyscalculia
    >Teacher: "Oh, just use the calculator," and, "You'll only need this for the test"
    >Retain above-average skills in reading and writing.
    Math is only taught in a way so that you can pass a test; they do not teach applicability, and that's the problem.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >dyscalculia
      Get real, it's the 90s.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m 34 and had to google what algebra is, and I did Kumon for like 6 years lol. It helped me with my times tables when I was 8 (my parents bought me Yoshi’s Story for finally getting them down right lol) but that’s about it

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kind of offtopic but
    >go to small, 95% white local college
    >college announces decision to diversify, go from 95% to 90% white
    >within a year they're freaking out about "first campus rape ever" and discussing how to fix our "culture" bc school is like ¾ sheltered white girls
    >look into it
    >Hispanic girl went off alone with two blacks SHE SHOWED UP TO THE PARTY WITH after getting piss drunk
    Nothing of value was lost, she knew what would happen, she consented by going with them, she chose to get drunk, they all deserve it because they shouldn't be in higher education to begin with.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Late to the thread but wanted to share my personal anecdote. In my city there is one magnet high school in our public district that is notoriously prestigious; basically equivalent to a private school. A bunch of gays on the school district board complained it was racist the top performing school was 80% Asian and needed an entrance exam to attend, so the board voted to switch to a lottery system. The year they did this it 35% of freshmen reported D or F grades, compared to 8% the previous. Our city is very liberal but the average consensus was this was a moronic idea. The board members responsible for this were recalled and this year the change was overturned.

    Guess the skin color of these board members.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Guess the skin color of these board members.
      aha! trick question! pretty sneaky sis.

      their skin is white but they all wear tiny hats.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Happy to hear they changed it. So many stories of places being ruined by "Diversity".

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Brown people fail basic algebra

    Wow!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Calculus
      >t. I watched the movie AND the south park episode

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't he only start teaching them calculus later? It's been a while since I watched it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          if I remember correctly they were taking basic algebra in the first semester. then calculus the second one

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This homie cant tell a the difference between a movie and reality!

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1axhne2/the_public_needs_to_know_the_ugly_truth_students/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Professors/comments/18p5h7a/teacher_in_high_school_here_i_am_sorry_but_we/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Professors/comments/1av6d6r/gen_z_are_computer_illiterate/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      depressing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gen z are computer illiterate
      One of the first courses I took at university was a mandatory computer skills course for 1 credit and it taught shit like how to save files into a folder and how to find the folder. Classes like that wouldn't exist if people didn't need them, so I assume there's been university stundets who lose their files because don't know what and where a folder is lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        These classes used to be a part of middle school in the 90s, because school boards recognized that computer literacy was going to be important in the 21st century. The problem is two-fold:
        a) Older instructors didn't like the idea that computer literacy courses were taking time away from traditional classes.
        b) Older administrators got it into their heads that these new generations somehow just gain computer literacy skills through fricking osmosis, and therefore don't need classes dedicated to it.
        And that's a problem because basically the only skills Gen Z and Gen Alpha are gaining in terms of computer literacy are how to browse tik tok and download apps. Most of them can't use Word, Excel, Powerpoint, email systems, search engines, etc.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's now super common that someone on a forum (classic-style forum) doesn't know how to add an image to their post. Maybe sometimes they'll find the image button in the editor, but then they paste stuff like [img]D:folderimage.jpg[/img].

          Or there's a metric frickton of people on reddit who make a post about something and mention that they don't know how to attach an image to illustrate what they mean. Because of course on facebook you can "attach" a pic to a post directly.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because math is fricking boring.

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This was the 80s.

    Now we have 19 year olds with Felony records loaded on Opiates who can't read, spell their own name, drive a car, do basic 1st grade math and are doing 11th grade for the 2nd or 3rd time.
    All while having a 0.09gpa and are guaranteed to graduate as most states have begun removing all math, reading, science, history and English requirements since it's now racist to have requirements and grades.

    This is every single high school in the US.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shut up, moron. you have no clue what you're talking about

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This will be a super weird tangent, but since it's a thread about schoolkid literacy and in Cinemaphile

    It's for a story / script, totally

    So, 1925, USA, East coast, major city. A group of street kids, aged maybe 10-15, boys, homeless, surviving as a gang of youngsters, petty crime. Is it reasonable that at least a couple of them will be able to read (not very fluently, but, like, read at all)? Or they'd be 100% illiterate?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure they'd be able to read street signs and shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For street kids? Maybe. Not much, certainly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >For street kids?
        Yeah, as in, orphans, or kids of random homeless people, junkies, prostitutes. Too young to be proper street "thugs", but thugs in the making.

        I'm sure they'd be able to read street signs and shit

        Is it reasonable that someone would bother to teach them to some capacity (some other lowlife probably), or would it all be super self-taught like "uh huh, people look at this sign and say this word so I guess that weird symbol is P"?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          People learn to speak foreign languages this way, so why not reading? They'd probably only "make their mark" instead of writing, though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Public schools existed by then but I'm inclined to say it would depend on their background. Kids on the streets probably didn't go to school, but they might have gone earlier in their lives. Also, people are pretty helpful to each other and pass on their own knowledge, so if even one of the kids is literate, he's likely taught/teaching the others utilitarian bits.

            you could have one of the characters have a gig as a paper boy working the corner, it'd be a reasonable excuse for some basic literacy

            Good thoughts, thanks anons!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think that was pretty common, yes, and it's still common today among esls and non-natives. It's not hard to memorize shapes when you look at the same signs every day.

          Kids have great aptitude for figuring things out with enough time; natural intelligence would be key because you're basically trying to reverse-engineer how the language works, and English in particular breaks a lot of its own rules and confuses people with its homophones and silent letters.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and English in particular breaks a lot of its own rules and confuses people with its homophones and silent letters.
            English is ultra moronic with spelling and is long long overdue for a reform that makes it more consistent.
            Spelling Bee as a nationally known / popular contest is an absolutely wild concept to me as a Yuropeen, and to many many others. Yeah obviously some kids have better spelling and some of them have it worse, but to celebrate the ones who have really excellent spelling, as if it's some outstanding feat, is just a complete wtf.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >English is ultra moronic with spelling and is long long overdue for a reform that makes it more consistent.
              i.e. goyim need to have a cultural reform to pander to morons and foreigners. Yeah, no thanks rabbi

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sean Bean isn't pronounced Shon Bon or Shin Bin
                explain this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sean is an ethnically Irish name with its own spelling and pronunciation conventions. Bean is an ethnically English name with slightly different spelling and pronunciation conventions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >bean
                Pronounced bín
                >bin
                Pronounced bén
                >been
                Pronounced bín
                >sean
                Pronounced chón

                I fricking hate this language and the WW2 history that forced it on me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >i typoed the literacy out of my post because I was thinking in English
                Wonderful

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >mayn it's bean a minute
                >ah that actor let himself go he's a no good good for nothin has BEN

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >be mexican trucker
                >tie a BOW LINE knot as it is written
                >glass eyed moonshining anglo dixie boy looks me in the eye and says ITS BOW LINN!
                And youre standing on my land that was sold not conquered by exile so I pronounce it correctly despite what your syphillitic sodomite sailor ancestor told you because he wasn't a man of letters. Im going to tomato tomato this b***h up your replacement and no ones gonna notice it at turned 1 pitch darker and up one letter grade.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              English is a lot like a bloated pidgin language; it's absorbed a lot from interacting cultures. I'm not going to say it's excessive because I'm one of those autists who can infer an origin era and country and feel therefore feel like each word is spelled and defined accordingly to capture differing aspects, but, like any other living thing, it goes through growth and bust cycles as well. English has been getting steadily reduced and streamlined since its peak in Victorian era, but this extinction event due to lack of literacy is honestly, frighteningly unprecedented.

              We're going back to the days where only the upper echelon knows how to and cares to read.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We're going back to the days where only the upper echelon knows how to and cares to read.
                Don't worry, the rest will communicate with emojis.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The same things that make English an extremely robust and flexible language (and part of why it continues to be one of the dominant languages of the world) are the same things that make it obnoxious in terms of some of its spelling and grammar: English has historically incorporated many (many) loan words and grammar from multiple languages, many of which are contradictory.

              Old English was predominantly a mix of Germanic and Norse language groups with Gaelic and Celtic language features. Middle English had to accommodate the influence of French and Dutch following the Norman invasion, and had to also incorporate the influences of Latin and Italian via Catholicism.

              tl;dr - You can blame most of English's worst spelling conventions on holdovers from other languages it incorporated over time. Particularly French, from whom we get our most confusing and inconsistent spelling/pronunciation conflicts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1925, post ww1, I would say yes, unless by street kids you mean nignogs, then no

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Public schools existed by then but I'm inclined to say it would depend on their background. Kids on the streets probably didn't go to school, but they might have gone earlier in their lives. Also, people are pretty helpful to each other and pass on their own knowledge, so if even one of the kids is literate, he's likely taught/teaching the others utilitarian bits.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you could have one of the characters have a gig as a paper boy working the corner, it'd be a reasonable excuse for some basic literacy

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is all because white people have systematically oppressed minorities for generations.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This is all because white people have systematically oppressed minorities for generations.

      >create a country for your nation
      >somehow it ends up better than Black folk
      >Black folk cry about oppression
      woah

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >youre one of the good ones
    >i-i am?
    >OMG YOU RACIST HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT DONT YOU KNOW EQUALITY BTW WILL SMITH HAS A BIGGER BBC AND CHRIS ROCK HAS AN EVEN BIGGER NICER BBC AND ETHICAL NONMONOGAMY IS GREAT AND SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE and drumpf and ukraine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Xir, that is 10000% true and i'm sorry. I respect and honor your contribution, and it's time for people like me to SIT DOWN and LISTEN!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How can one degenerate boomer make me smile while screaming punk hate inside?

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bump

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We've hit bump limit m8, now it's time for the thread to hit the great beyond. Just be grateful the jannies allowed us some decent discussion this weekend instead of killing the thread last night, and go over the take-aways from the discussion.

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