>Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies

>Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
>Comic companies hire staff who's only goal is to push agendas and alienate both new and old fans
>Comic companies complain the industry is in collapse in the 2020s

What could have prevented this?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They'd already been inevitably collapsing, the MCU's success merely delayed it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think comic sales even improved with the MCU, everyone immediately realized that franchise was doing its own thing so there was no incentive to read the source material.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't, they basically turned into a source material farm.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The movies had zero impact on comics sales.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Muh agendas
    No, comics writing simply hasn't been good enough to justify their price point for decades. Between the frickload of continuities and the inevitability of these continuities collapsing under their own weight as writers frick up more and more, there's just no incentive to buy anything.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >comics writing simply hasn't been good enough to justify their price point for decades
      No, it's simply not good at all, people will not read Marvel even if they release it as a free webcomic, they always use the same 20 writers and none of those guys can write something people want, none of them can create new, interesting superheroes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I love Marvel and that’s why I won’t read Marvel

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Muh agendas
      >No, comics writing simply hasn't been good enough

      Those are literally the same thing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hate to break it to you, but good writing is often done with an agenda. when the writing is bad, the agenda is the only thing coherent that's left (and often even it isn't coherent), but when it's good... you either don't notice the agenda, or the story works well enough that it doesn't matter that it had an agenda.

        now, if ALL someone's looking at is "does this have an agenda that matches what i already believe", they just don't like to think critically (a coherent worldview would survive exposure to a fricking comic book that doesn't perfectly align with it), and in general they're not really reading the story at all, so their takes aren't relevant to the discussion of writing quality.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hate to break it to you, but good writing is often done with an agenda. when the writing is bad, the agenda is the only thing coherent that's left (and often even it isn't coherent), but when it's good... you either don't notice the agenda, or the story works well enough that it doesn't matter that it had an agenda.

          their post didnt lay claim to the idea that good ones had no agendas.

          their post was mocking a post that was mocking OP complaining about agendas being given the spotlight. other anon was like nah bro, it was just bad writing, and anon said how is that any different? If your agenda leads then your writing isnt good enough.

          An agenda leading in the writing is basically an essay or sermon more than a story. Your story can have and agenda or a sermon if they serve the story. But if someone wants a story, and pick up something where the story only serves the agenda, even though its being published in the theatre of being a story, well then its no surprised someone calls it shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally two of the most well known by normies comic artists who are not Stan Lee are - A socialist whose comics are all about lefiist issues, and a rightwing cuckold whose comics are all about his right wing cuck shit. I know the culture war has rotten your fricking brain but agendas are not the issue for people who are not terminally online. Bad writers often highlight the agendas in a grating way, but that's not what fricked comics which have been in a decline for literally decades.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You do realize the Big 2 were being virtue warrior homosexuals as early as 2010, right? Trump didn't magically beckon them into being lefty propaganda

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the cracks were there but social and business sense kept it bottled.
      Trump getting elected practically gave them free reign on the propaganda.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't as pertinent or as ubiquitous, don't fricking lie now.

        No that anon was right they were doing full time propaganda in 2010
        Unabashedly unashamed shit in the "heroic age"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't as pertinent or as ubiquitous, don't fricking lie now.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        First issue of Action Comics has Superman stopping a lynch mob from hanging a guy. Second issue has him drafting a war profiteer into the war he was mongering to sell munitions. Social Commentary has been a ubiquitous part of the big two publication history from the beginning.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're confusing social commentary with identity politics

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Comics in the past did this thing
          >That means they've always had troony identity politics chud

          Shut the frick up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tourist detected

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ALL of that shit is mid-late 2010s. You disproved your own claim.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are people absolutely allergic to admitting, MAYBE, the content being divisive hurts sales?

      This didn’t sell at all so why act like it refutes anything?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know why

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why are people absolutely allergic to admitting, MAYBE, the content being divisive hurts sales?
        Because they're afraid of him.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Fink fears the Powell.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it would GO AGAINST THE MORAL IMPERATIVE, anon. Normalhomosexuals that push these kind of things absolutely cannot handle that little of a dissonance in their day-to-day lives. Like they'll need therapy and medication to deal with accepting that dividing everybody has dire consequences for the industry at the whole and it SHOULD be "fine" because they are "in the right side of history".

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, name me ONE thing which isn't divisive today. Just one.
        Bit even if you were right, the truth is comic sales would rise a bit then keep on dropping. People are tired of soap operas going on for 60+ years, pathetic 24 pages per month. Of constantly changing creative teams (writer and artists), of retcons, shared universes. Finish the story and make something new, fresh, different, something self contained with a planned ending.
        And even then, the new market would have to fight tooth and nail to compete with literal heaps of cheaper and thicker manga books with insane genre variety.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why are people absolutely allergic to admitting, MAYBE, the content being divisive hurts sales?
        Because the burden of proof is on you, and you homosexuals are incapable of providing any proof.

        In order for your argument to work you'd have to prove that:
        a) The "content" you are talking about is, in fact, notably divisive, or at least more divisive for current audiences than previous content was for the audiences of the past
        b) The current content selling badly is in any way related to the aforementioned divisive-ness

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >content being divisive hurts sales
        Anon. Comic sales have been steadily declining sine the 80s not because muh division, but simply because capeshit has irreparably damaged the entire industry by spending 70 years telling the same rehashed stories with every iteration having worse quality than the one before it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gay kissing isn't really going to bring kids to your comic book either. The moment the soccer mom sees what the comics are all about, the entire neighbourhood will avoid buying them to their kids.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >This didn’t sell at all so why act like it refutes anything?
        Maybe because whether or not it sold doesn't fricking matter? In fact, isn't that the whole point OP is trying to make? moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Movement
      >Team TRiUMPhant

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Movement
      What I call Taco Bell going light speed though my guts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's like 2013 or 2014 or so, you absolute homosexual.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ALL of that shit is mid-late 2010s. You disproved your own claim.

        so still before trump's presidential campaign.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of it was after.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Name 5.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Name 5.
              >gets quints

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're not wrong by any stretch, but I get the impression "nerdy" hobbies in general suddenly becoming more accepted as "cool" inflated the prices a lot, at least where I live, so that could be another factor.

      Marvel was doing it at least a year or two earlier (and failing HARD already), maybe they were getting ready for the Disney buyout. Also OP didn't even mention trump.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/kzXUfWB.png

      >Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
      >Comic companies hire staff who's only goal is to push agendas and alienate both new and old fans
      >Comic companies complain the industry is in collapse in the 2020s

      What could have prevented this?

      American Comics:
      Have too much text. Sometimes you are reading a novel if the speech bubbles take lot of space in the comic.

      Have bad flow in the panel design, sometimes you are reading panels in the wrong order.

      Newer DC/Marvel comics have this digital art with dark colors, clashing with the white background of the speech bubbles. Sometimes modern comics put trans gender and social media in Earth-Whatever, ignoring problems of the average joe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Watchmen is fine, Alan Moore is one of the few people to understand when to do "mucho texto" and limits it to thoughts and dialogue. Of all the problems it has, excessive text is not one of them, and it isn't exactly a good example of the excessive text problem that has plagued American comics for eons, Moore often keeps his dialogue short and sweet and his thought monologues to themselves without too much dialogue interruption.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Watchmen is god-tier.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Watchmen is a good example of it but I usually agree with this. Do you know what manga usually have a lot of text comparable to a american comic? A josei melodrama. Basically capeshit is the equivalent of josei melodramas instead of battle shounen.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you keep making this thread?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm convinced these threads are made by people who just want to vent. You can point to the sales model, history, rising rent costs, shitty contract work gigs with stagnant wages, the shortsightedness of conflating the entire industry as the sole output of two capeshit ip mills, other books written by other people with the things they claim they want and so on, but it's never enough and someone will just pivot back to whatever emotionally driven narrative they came up with or picked up from whatever youtube e-celeb is farming views at the moment.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You can point to the sales model, history, rising rent costs, shitty contract work gigs with stagnant wages
        All of those are real, yet they don't kill comics. Employing people like Heather Antos is what kills comics. People who don't want to entertain the customer should never be allowed to work in any entertainment industry, not even at the coffee-fetching level.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Employing people like Heather Antos is what kills comics.
          People who don't want to read comics don't know who the frick that is or any of these agendas.
          they're not reading comics because they're expensive, the art style doesn't appeal to them, and they don't like the genre.
          Bringing back Jim Shooter era marvel or the Image guys isn't going to make a 17 year old who reads manga interested in American comics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >leftists didnunuffin they were good bois
        Your kind is literal vermin no different than rats or roaches and shitmidases.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm convinced these threads are made by people who just want to vent. You can point to the sales model, history, rising rent costs, shitty contract work gigs with stagnant wages, the shortsightedness of conflating the entire industry as the sole output of two capeshit ip mills, other books written by other people with the things they claim they want and so on, but it's never enough and someone will just pivot back to whatever emotionally driven narrative they came up with or picked up from whatever youtube e-celeb is farming views at the moment.

      Can you stop samegayging by trickery? Enough with the shilling.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm convinced these threads are made by people who just want to vent. You can point to the sales model, history, rising rent costs, shitty contract work gigs with stagnant wages, the shortsightedness of conflating the entire industry as the sole output of two capeshit ip mills, other books written by other people with the things they claim they want and so on, but it's never enough and someone will just pivot back to whatever emotionally driven narrative they came up with or picked up from whatever youtube e-celeb is farming views at the moment.

      >Industry is dying because a certain group with a certain ideology is ruining it
      >But no you're not allowed to point them out because its politically inconvenient to me

      have a nice day.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're allowed to be wrong, but prepare to be corrected when it happens.
        The decline of the industry started in the 90s. The superhero movie boom didn't make superhero comics any more popular in the slightest.
        The proliferation of heavy-handed agenda comics is not the cause of the decline, but a symptom of an industry that has already been so hollowed-out and decrepit that the only people who still want to work in it either have an axe to grind, are mentally challenged, or probably both.

        >You can point to the sales model, history, rising rent costs, shitty contract work gigs with stagnant wages
        All of those are real, yet they don't kill comics. Employing people like Heather Antos is what kills comics. People who don't want to entertain the customer should never be allowed to work in any entertainment industry, not even at the coffee-fetching level.

        People like this get employed because they're dumb enough to take shitty contracts. Creators who care about quality have a reasonable desire to be paid fairly for their effort. If the companies don't offer good terms, the good people don't sign on. But you can always hire morons who don't know how the world works, who will go on to write material that displays their lack of knowledge of how anything works.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what to say other than just leave it to perish. I like the characters but it's doomed bro, just find other forms of entertainment.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should just make comics free online, and put ads and merch on the page.
    I don't see how the current business model is in any way efficient, and doing anything to actually introduce comics to younger audiences.
    They have to accept it isn't the 20th century anymore.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is even the alternative comic scene anymore?
    In 09' and the 2010's I was reading a lot of Image comics (The Walking Dead, Chew, Invincible, etc..) but what's even running now.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The collapse began in the fricking 90s you mong.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The issue is that all these companies offer is capeshit. The main reason why manga is still going strong is that it offers variety of setting, themes, and genres. It's not because they draw breasts and ass- there are hundreds of manga out there that you can show grandma to. And they allow anyone with enough creativity and talent to publish their shit.

    Even if Marvel does a 180 and have spiderman scream "Black person" at miles morales while some bimbo jiggles her breasts, it'll still die off because people are sick of capeshit and the same comic book style.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are plenty of comics that aren't capeshit.
      There's a real publicity problem, which I think is largely because comics are harder to pirate than manga, so word just doesn't get out there.

      Companies under estimate the value of just turning a blind eye, and letting people get stuff for free. It generates word of mouth.

      Modern anime watching culture in the west came out of fansub groups, and people sharing bootleg videos.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're not wrong, but capeshit filtered out other genres because it's a popular genre. The only reason the big 2 don't do other genres is because they'd tried that in the past and the sales were probably subpar at best and they never attempted to do that again.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They kind of do though. Like, John Constantine isn't "capeshit". He's broadly part of the DC Universe, but he isn't a superhero.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There are plenty of comics that aren't capeshit.
        And those non-capeshit indie comics are generally worse than the shitty capeshit comics produced by the big2 on average.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When will you poeple comparing a whole Frickin meduim to the capeshit conglomerate. it was never the same thing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japan's comic industry is held up by it's megacity transportation system. Magazines, Newpapers, and other printed shit that's on life support in the USA are doing great in Japan. So "why don't they just copy Japan" won't work. It would take massive amounts of time, money, and political power to rebuild an urban structure to even replicate the environment that birthed our own industry in the first place. It's too late.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Japan's comic industry is held up by it's megacity transportation system

        This is a myth peddled by people as yet another reason why nothing should be changed in the US. First it was "everything is fine" and when that lie became unworkable the tune changed to "everything is so fricked that it can't be fixed".

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because the only jap comics that make it to the west are a curated selection of what's already popular and what's not really popular but appeals to western tastes so weebs shill it hard.

          You never get to see the shitty comics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why don't comics companies form some kind of partnership with schools under the guise of increasing literacy? Get permanent news stands or whatever set up in their libraries
        Bring the comics to the readers

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >So why don't comics companies form some kind of partnership with schools under the guise of increasing literacy?
          They do, it's called a book fair.
          Problem is, everyone else in the industry does as well, and most of the direct market darling comic companies just don't publish much that's appealing to kids or tweens or teens.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            book fair is once or twice a year
            im talking about a permanent stand or kiosk that can dispense fresh comics on a weekly basis placed in the schools

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I always see this posted in every thread that mentions manga but if that were true, why is manga outselling American comics in America, a country that doesn’t have a widely used national public transportation system? How come manga is internationally popular even in countries that don’t massive train systems?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because we're reaping the benefits of a bunch of cheap media with a lot of animation support. Manga got popular here because of anime originally- now manga can be popular without an anime but the whole readership and culture of manga now comes from the fact that Japan just has so much to export.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Still not seeing how trains factor into this. TV, games, and movies are also various forms of media both Japan and America both consume and I bet there are people in Japan do so on the trains. My point is that the US not having massive public transportation feels like a fricking cope when it has not affected any other form of media.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because Japan is about the size of California to answer your train question.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because the trains were just the catalyst, having a train system and people willing to buy so much manga lead to a system where Japanese publishers would financially support manga and sell them for dirt cheap, which was floated by how much demand there was for it.
              Again, we reap the fact that we can get cheap comics that are likely to be adapted that come with preestablished hype and support. We reap that they can sell so much of them and the pricing has to be competitively cheap so even at 2.5X more after translation, they're still cheaper than domestic product. We reap that it's financially viable in Japan to have anime advertise these comics.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is 30 million people living in Tokyo. Most of WSJ sales historically have been from that area of the country. DC and Marvel and several other American publishing companies started and circulated around New York City but the extreme income gap there has killed anything reminiscent of a middle as it transitioned into a tourist trap in the 90's. Basically the death of American comics is proof of the threat of globalism.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't help New York is an absolute shitshow right now for anybody.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When has it not been a shitshow

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If public transit was the norm in shit hole states of America. I wager paper media sales would be higher. Instead of wasting time and money on driving yourself to work. You simply hop on a metro and delve into a book. But, you know, America is a shit hole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's way too late now. A lot of Japanese people are transitioning out of paper too in favor of phones- but they're still reading comics(be it manga or webtoons) because checking out manga on commutes is just what's done. video media was prohibitively priced and piracy was taboo. The comic reading culture is already there. our entertainment culture is largely all videos. People will watch a youtube summary of a book or series over reading it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most American manga buyers see the anime first, usually years after the manga started and became popular in Japan. Either that or they read it free online till they decide to purchase and by that point the manga has already made it's domestic financial goals.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is nonsense.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain how it's nonsense.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's nonsense because it implies people only read manga during commute and never at any other time.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's not the implication, the implication is that transit is a major tentpole because it is. It bred in a culture of comic reading as a normal thing and passtime. Same way movies used to be all-day affairs for kids because they were cheap and you were meant to sit through multiple features. Movies became cultural staples long after drive-ins and all-day matinees died because watching movies became something everyone did and could share experiences over.
              Same principle. Because so many Japanese people will experience reading a comic to pass the time on a commute, or because it's cheap entertainment available everywhere, they see it as an avenue of entertainment when they have other options or more spending money.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >offers variety of setting, themes, and genres
      So does capeshit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Indeed

        You get guy from New York who wears Red and flies!
        Guy from New York who wears Blue and flies
        Guy from New York who wears Red and swings
        Guy from New York who wears Black and also swings
        Guy from New York who wears Red who runs
        Guy from (Not) New York who wears Blue and flies
        Guy from (Not) New York who wears black and drives a fancy car
        Guy from (Not) New York who wears red and runs real fast

        Capeshit has so much variety it's impossible to contain it all in one reply!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Frick you for making this bait, actually frick you it offends me that someone actually made this even ironically, actually frick you.

          It's not bait, it's an objective fact. You're just a bunch of reductionist non-reading morons. It's a limited variety, but the variety exists.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just because a hero in a suit with a symbol on his chest punches mafia guys, while a different hero with a symbol on his chest punches space guys, and a third hero with a symbol on his chest punches magic guys does not make them different genres.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you for making this bait, actually frick you it offends me that someone actually made this even ironically, actually frick you.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The issue is that
      it is never a single issue.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Trump got elected
    >JL tanked
    >WB gutted DC and bought all the trash getting flushed out of Marvel
    >new talent is just generic Californians
    >covid was the perfect time for many to get off the ride
    >comics now cost $6 for "blink and you miss it" stories
    >culture shifted so crime fighters are badguys now

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$6 for "blink and you miss it" stories
      Redpill me on this. Isn't most serialized forms of media like this?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shifted so crime fighters are badguys now
      Those gays wearing Punisher Skull tank tops at Walmart never read a comic in their life. They just get off to murder

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon we just recently had an entire bat office event in which catwoman and the bat family were at odds with Bruce because they wanted to train thieves to steal from the rich and Batman wanted to lock them up.

        Basically ACAB + Eat the Rich in one storyline. Please fricking have a nice day if you don’t see a problem with that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cops wearing Punisher skull is....LE BAD!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You shouldn't want D students to be judge, jury, and executioner

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Assuming I give a shit if a cop wears the logo of a fictional comic book character who doesn't exist.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well for starters the Punisher fricking HATES cops for a multitude of reasons.
          And I think it's a fricking stupid idea to wear the symbol of a guy who brutalises and murders people when your job is to PROTECT the people.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon you do understand Punisher is a cartoon character and not real right?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Western comics started to die in the mid 2000s starting with Civil War and New 52. Both were vehemetely hated by readers. Indy comics have no platform to thrive outside kickstarter.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Western comics started to die in the mid 2000s starting with Civil War and New 52. Both were vehemetely hated by readers

      Very weird revisionist history since both of those were huge, huge sales hits. It is the failure to keep the momentum after them that was the first sign of trouble.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just because it was financially successful doesn’t mean it wasn’t being critically panned by readers. I bought it as a kid, and it sucked, but I wasn’t going to be a b***h and go back to the comic shop and demand a refund.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If you could just return comic books to the publishers all of these problems would be solved. They need to be scared. They weren't scared of manga in the 2000s because they assumed all those whales weren't dying out. We need our publishers to be fricking terrified to get good business and good art.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll give you Civil War (tie-in books were why Deadpool and Squirrel Girl got over) but New 52? Batman aside because Batman.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They made money in the moment but ruined the characters and stories of the universes. New 52 especially was almost all retconned and openly considered a failure by everyone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mid 2000s
      >New 52

      That was 2011, you literal moron.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mid 2000s
      >New 52

      That was 2011, you literal moron.

      has a point, you could have at least mentioned one of the several crappy Crisis events.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Webtoons and pirated manga are free
    Comics can't compete with that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which is why I said before, literally just put comics online, and make them free(which they are to anyone who knows, but you have to go to slightly out of the way Russian sites).
      Physical comics will always have a certain enthusiast market, but that's an aging market, which wont be refreshed unless they actually get people to read comics in the first place.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought it was fricked up that publishers did not even try to attempt to capitalize on the popularity of the cape movies coming out in the 2010s.

    >Thor came out when Marvel was too damn busy forcing Jane Thor on everyone for a few years.
    >Captain America came out when Steve was either a nazi or dead. and things remained like that also for a few years.
    >Avengers movie came out at the time the team lineup was Kamala, Nova, Miles, Vision and Falcon.
    >Ant-Man came out around the time Pym was turned into a villain and permanently killed, he has been dead ever since, still dead
    >DC is not even kinda sorta remotely interested in sticking Blue Beetle in any book anywhere, even in the background of an event splash page
    >Same with Aquaman, he has not been seen in print since 2017
    >Just...everyone in Black Adam has not appeared in print in about a decade

    At this point it only makes sense to believe Marvel and DC formed an agreement to see who can crash their company and bankrupt it on purpose first, and they have been competing in this for slightly over a decade.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It varies

      Part of it might be mandates coming from Marvel Studios or WB (think about how Feige willingly went along with Ironheart despite all the problems that came up for Marvel Comics and the bad PR the character got), others might be in reaction to underperforming films (Aquaman, Blue Beetle, Black Adam examples) and may or may not also be a reaction to something Gunn might've requested (If he has say on the books as well it might be that he requested they're off the table)

      Others might just be bad editorial decisions (ie Pymtron lasting as long as it did)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      in theory, the idea was that they'd sell the old material the adaptations were(increasingly loosely) based on, and then the new material would get people interested in the new characters to continue the stories, and eventually be excited to see those characters be adapted. They knew the actor contracts were likely not to last past 10 years at the most, in 2012 the persona with the longest lasting time playing a role in comic movies was Hugh Jackman and it seemed like they were rebooting that universe even back then. Cape comic movies were something actors did for at most 7 years before moving on because longer than that is a huge commitment and leads to typecasting. So finding replacement characters was the plan
      Problem is,almost none of them were appealing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, at least Ant-Man (Scott) was revived and got his first solo book thanks to the MCU. Pym being dead for so long was still dumb tho

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Iron Man was still busy being a villain at the time of Iron Man 1

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking slacken standards for writers and artists. Anything's better than using the same two dozen hacks in each, and they have the cash to burn. You want to be meta? There's nothing more meta than becoming a firm. Stop blowing money on moronic infrastructure and bring in some bums.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cope

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who think capeshit offers different genres have no idea of what a genre is.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Capeshit" is a big umbrella that covers everything from detective stories, to horror, to cosmic space adventure, to martial arts mysticism.

      There's also more going on in comics that just the Marvel and DC universes, so it's entirely a moot point.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is, it's all still the same guy in a mask and cape with a special code name punching an evil guy in a mask and cape with a special code name.

        It does not matter when Daredevil, Silver Surfer, Flash, Zatannah, and Swamp Thing are all the same fricking thing doing the same fricking things the same fricking way.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A lot of those characters are quite literally not a guy in a mask and cape with a special code punching bad guys.
          Swamp Thing doesn't have any of that stuff. And that's because he wasn't even conceptualised as a "super hero". He's from a horror comic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People who think capeshit doesn't offer different genres have no idea of what a genre is.

      Straya c**ts!

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who think capeshit doesn't offer different genres have no idea of what a genre is.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    really wish i could import comics at a decent price. but most places charge too much for shipping and the taxes on top of it don't help.

    Anyone knows any goo sites that are not amazon or ebay to buy used comics or something like that?

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
    When did that happen? I must've missed this part, I don't remember that ever happening. It was cool to like things based on comics but not actual comics, you always just pretend to read those.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What could have prevented this?
    The collapse of American comics is inevitable. Art dies when it becomes corporatized. Art needs to be risky and explore new ideas. It is incompatible with the corporate world where safe gains are the goal.

    This is why manga soars. Because it's an industry of independent artists creating art.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      manga is quite possibly the most formulaic collection of fiction in all of printed media

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's actually the exact opposite. Let's say there is a fisherman that lives in Japan. There is possible for him to start drawing the fish he catches and at some point even draw a manga and publish it. There are so many manga drawn by so many different people. Fricking french artists have complained in the past that the nips are allowed to draw things that are denied for them. Manga is more diverse than american comics will ever be.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Americans can do that too but most won’t. See American Splendor.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
    This never happened. At no point did the capeshit domination of cinema reflect onto comics sales.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rocket Racoon #1 sold like 500k

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care if capeshit offers political thrillers next to magic next to horror, it's always just some homie in a mask fighting bad guys.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Capeshit

    Capeshit
    Capeshit
    Capeshit

    You want something original? Too bad, it's capeshit. You want something interesting? Too bad, it's capeshit. A new take on a character? It's just the extended plot of an event that happened and you need to go back two years to understand what anyone is talking about. New character entirely? Nope, it's actually an old rebooted character and now you have to go read up on an old anthology because they're just referencing the older stuff and it's not a standalone story.
    And for the few that actually do start off interesting and decent and something you can just read on its own? After the current 12-issue run, you can bet your ass that it'll suddenly get handed off to a shit writer and get thrown into some crossover event that requires a ton of back issues to understand what the frick is going on.

    The occasional comic story that's good is just so rare, unless you are getting a big supply of independent comics. 90% of everything you can find is just more capeshit. And a lot of the smaller comics aren't exactly worth spending $5 on 20 pages.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      On top of that, it's 60+ year old capeshit where nothing ever changes. You are reading the same characters that were invented in 1962 still doing the same fricking thing over and over and over and over....

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You are reading the same characters that were invented in 1962
        It is the contrary, characters change way too much since their inception.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find tons of floppies that aren't capeshit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And the story is probably as bad as the art.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're bad

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just like

            I find tons of floppies that aren't capeshit

            's art.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really need to try and patron my local shop. I just dont care about comics... at least not anymore. I dont think the younger generations even care about physical media, nor could even afford to buy them regularly.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It died when Marvel started to pander to Tumblr.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And then it pandered to the mentally ill white people with colorful hair on Twitter.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it was mentioned a lot in these threads, but making it cheaper/easier to get would help a lot along with experimentation with elseworlds like stories and B characters to appeal to modern audiences as standalone stuff before bringing it back into the main universe.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What could have prevented this?
    Making better books that people want to actually read and selling them in places where people can actually buy them, instead of waiting months or years for a limited print run o a thousand copies of the paperback trade to show up.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. Everything dies eventually.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What could have prevented this?
    Your suicide. It's not too late, you know.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies

    That never happened.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Comics were in a downward spiral since the late 90's. Marvel (more exactly Quesada) stopped the bleed for a bit in the middle of the aughts. But the industry was flawed and build in sand. When the digital era come in full swing with Spotify, Netflix and so the comicbook industry never stand a chance. COVID and the rise of digital manga was the last nail in a long death.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Marvel (more exactly Quesada) stopped the bleed for a bit in the middle of the aughts.
      Yeah, not like he did lots of shit that eventually made readers too tired to care.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Yeah, not like he did lots of shit that eventually made readers too tired to care.
        Love or hate him, he delayed the comic book collapse for 10 years. I genuinely entered in comics thanks to him and the Ultimate Universe.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I gotta disagree hard. Someone who didn't push for "decompression" and actually encouraged good stories could have gotten things in a better state than they ended up. Also, by the middle of the aughts? A lot of the damage had already been caused by him.
          Like, Annihilation was published despite him disliking it. Imagine if Spider-Man comics weren't pushed down a slippery slope.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A lot of the damage had already been caused by him.
            Most of the damage comes from the ridiculous format of comics. When the big Quesadilla was in charge the sales were better than before he took charge. Marvel was punking DC so hard that they need to push the reset button for the N52. Quesada made a lot of mistakes with the directions of the stories but he did the best anybody could do with the card that he got served. And the intrusion of Pellmuter being a cheap frick.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Annihilation is garbage. That was probably the one thing he was ever right about.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My old store back home closed years ago

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And that's a good thing!

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno when this trend of every capeshit issue having 50 cover variants but it needs to stop. There were no variants when comics were at their most popular.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a cheap and ridiculous method to artificially inflate sales.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Business majors think whales aren't dying by the boatload because all they see are the numbers and not their social context (despite being taught to look beyond the numbers in business schools).

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What could have prevented this?
    The complete eradication of the israeli people in the United States and Europe.
    No, I will not elaborate

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
    False. Comic movies became cool; comic books still remained a niche area of entertainment.
    >Comic companies hire staff who's only goal is to push agendas and alienate both new and old fans
    Also false. Comic companies hired people who weren't competent at writing and were easily influenced by modern politics, which meant that stories always ended up dealing with modern identity politics.
    >Comic companies complain the industry is in collapse in the 2020s
    The industry has been in collapse for a long time; it's just that retail outlets were able to hide this fact. Corona just exposed that comic books aren't a viable medium anymore due to poor writing, poor art, and hideous charges for 22 pages of entertainment. Especially when for the price of 1 comic you could have endless movies and tv shows at your fingertips.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So, in short, comic companies hiring millenial writers and artists caused their downfall?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No. The downfall had already begun long before millennial writers and artists were on board. Age wise, I think the majority of the writers were Gen X with a few millennial sprinkled throughout.

        The modern writing schedule for comics is the true downfall because most writers don't have the same time as traditional book writers nor do they have writing rooms like a television show.

        >A movie script can take up to 4 years to be perfected.
        >A book draft can take up to 4 years to be perfected.
        >A TV show script can take up to 2 years to be perfected; even then, you have up to 10 different people working on it and can churn out episodes at a faster pace.

        >A comic script needs to be done in either 2 weeks or 1 month, leading to rushed writing, retreaded stories, and countless errors.

        Same could be said for manga, mind you, but the Japanese are just okay being worked to death for peanuts, because, uh.. honor or something.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>A comic script needs to be done in either 2 weeks or 1 month, leading to rushed writing, retreaded stories, and countless errors.
          >Same could be said for manga, mind you, but the Japanese are just okay being worked to death for peanuts, because, uh.. honor or something.
          Manga artist draw with an overarching plot in mind that was planned start they even start to serialize. That is the advantage when you own the characters and story, must like with many artist that publish their creator own stories.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The difference is that a manga goes on for 500+ chapters while comics end after 6.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because manga is a team effort. The mangaka often bounces ideas with their assistants & editor. Look HxH, Vagabond or another manga were the author works alone and their output is worst that the slowest comic writer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and their output is worst that the slowest comic writer.
                Ufrickingwotm8?
                Vagabond put out 37 volumes in the span of ~17 years.
                HxH put out the same number in the span of ~25 years.
                Meanwhile something like Blacksad has put out, what, 9 volumes in 20 years?
                Don't even get me started on TRULY slow stuff like Body Bags, which put out maaaaybe enough issues to fill a single volume in the span of a decade.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those are the numbers when Togashi and Inoue still have assistants. In the last decade HxH has published, 5 volumes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Euro and Indie comics aren't the best example to use.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just glad Muira's assistants and friend have decided to honor his tradition of putting out 2 chapters (not volumes) every year or two.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also true. When you can immediately be pulled from Superman and put onto Robin or from Spider-Man to X-Men, why bother caring? Just keep getting your $500 page rates! Re-tread what you read on the Wiki; maybe add an original character for some royalty rights!

            I'm not suggesting, mind you, that having 1 writer and 1 artist on a book until they die is the best thing ever, but perhaps allowing a writer and artist to work together on something over the course of 6 months versus 2 weeks might just be beneficial.

            I can't stand superheroes anymore

            Supes are fine; it's just you're tired of the monotonity.

            >Metropolis is in trouble!
            >Superman shows up and saves the day.
            >Metropolis is in trouble!
            >Superman shows up and saves the day.
            >Lex Luthor is scheming!
            >Superman shows up and saves the day.
            >Metropolis is in trouble!
            >Superman shows up and saves the day.
            >Not Lex Luthor is scheming!
            >Superman shows up and saves the day.

            vs.

            >Goku exists.
            >Raditz shows up with ultimatum.
            >Goku saves the day, but dies.
            >Vegeta & Napa show up.
            >Goku shows up and saves the day.
            >Other heroes die, spark "Lets go to Namek!"
            >Goku arrives on Namek, save the day.

            There's just more nuance to it. Things are further thought out instead of reverting to the same thing. Characters die, develop, etc.

            You just tired of the snow globe that is modern Big 2.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can’t remember the last time I read a Superman story like that, self-contained in an issue or small arc. Every superhero story is. Endlessly complicated because they want to play against expectations like that if anything.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's what they boil down to over the arch. Sure, I could go more in-depth with it, but nothing leads to anything in the Big 2 world. Even the supposed "status quo" changes never last. The whole throw shit at the wall and see what Twitter likes has been a disaster for the medium. These buttholes don't want to tell a story, hell, they don't want to even bother doing there own things; they just want to farm likes and upvotes on Twitter and Reddit to haggle a better payday.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man, I wish my shops were collapsing. Those places must be BARGINS for back issues and keys because they NEED they money.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't stand superheroes anymore

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still love them, i just wish they'd hire writers instead of using the same php plot generator they've been using for decades(now with added diversity).

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
    No they didn't for every thousand people who watched a comic book movie maybe 1 actually picked up a comicbook.

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Finnish Comic-Con
    >Don Rosa (Scrooge McDuck comics) Meet and Greet is crowded with people.
    >Some female DC artist sits alone in her table with no one standing on the line.
    Theres ton of demand for comics (and manga) in Europe, just not capeshit. Burger industry should just adjust to the markets and bring back the mainstream comics to supermarkets and hobbyist comics to general nerd shops that sell MTG and Warhammers. Thats how that shit works in Europe.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BrInG ThE CoMIcS bAcK to SuPERmaRKets!!!
      God, so tired of this dumbass take. Nobody is buying comics at the supermarket and them being there isn't going to change it. Nobody is going to pay $5.99 at the grocery store for a floppy because it's not the 80's or 90's anymore. Hell, most people don't even go into grocery stores thanks to delivery and pick ups. Further, Gen Z/Gen A are mostly digital consumers. Maybe, just maybe, they should drop floppies alltogether, write long form, and create better digital storefronts/apps?

      DCUniverse and Marvel Infinite bo

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        be patient with the finn, he can't conceptualize how fricking big American states are, I don't think Euros really can fathom just how much empty space their is in the US that makes equal distribution damn near impossible.
        Even when comics sold in the hundreds of thousands here, it was common for people to complain about missing issues or not getting a full selection.
        And magazines as a format are slowly dying, not just in a "print is dead" meme way, but becoming unfeasible due to expenses and lack of interest. Magazines and newspapers floated the newsrack and they're dying.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody is going to pay $5.99 at the grocery store for a floppy because it's not the 80's or 90's anymore.
        Yet thats how it works in the entire rest of the world, americans just must be uniquely moronic.
        >Further, Gen Z/Gen A are mostly digital consumers.
        Yet Gen Z buys manga, even the shitty manga from grocery stores. The format is not the issue.

        be patient with the finn, he can't conceptualize how fricking big American states are, I don't think Euros really can fathom just how much empty space their is in the US that makes equal distribution damn near impossible.
        Even when comics sold in the hundreds of thousands here, it was common for people to complain about missing issues or not getting a full selection.
        And magazines as a format are slowly dying, not just in a "print is dead" meme way, but becoming unfeasible due to expenses and lack of interest. Magazines and newspapers floated the newsrack and they're dying.

        >I don't think Euros really can fathom just how much empty space their is in the US that makes equal distribution damn near impossible.
        How so? You distribute according to the size of the shop, my local tiny shop has a tiny mostly symbolic magazine shelf and theres comic books there. I've seen soccer moms and dads buy their kids Donald Duck mags, some princess magazines for the girl and Spider-Man mags for their boys. This isn't some unique practice in Finland either, the entire rest of Europe follows suit, same with Japan.

        Superhero toys are still selling well with kids, so its not like kids aren't interested in Spider-Man, Hulk or Thor. But the last thing modern kids are going to do is to find their local designated comic book store full of middle-aged trannies resembling the comic book nerd from The Simpsons. Of course the next gens are never going to pick up capeshit if you don't make it easy for them (or their clueless sports parents) to do so. You're supposed to have the biggest GDP in the world yet you can't figure simple shit like this out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yet thats how it works in the entire rest of the world, americans just must be uniquely moronic.
          What works in the rest of the world doesn't just translate to working in the US. If comic book shops can't even stay afloat, why the frick do you think the corner shelf with 15 magazines would support floppies? It doesn't work because a majority of Americans are now digital consumers.

          >Yet Gen Z buys manga, even the shitty manga from grocery stores. The format is not the issu
          Not here they don't. They order it online, read it online, or occasionally buy it from a bookstore ( the places that still have one). Reading manga is easier to do online than reading comics. Further, I don't even remember the last time I set foot in a grocery store.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why the frick do you think the corner shelf with 15 magazines would support floppies?
            Why would they not? Just stick one Superman or Spider-Man in there, right next to the cashier counter next to the chocolate bars. Thats where the families pick cheap toys and magazines for kids. That of course requires the capeshit mags to be priced on the level of cheap toys. In the digital world comic books compete with streamers, mobile games and Tiktok shorts, they stand no chance.

            >Not here they don't.
            Yes they do, you can quit lying. Pic related.
            >Grocery stores are done, nobody goes to buy food anymore, they live on Amazon pickups and unicorn farts!
            Thats another thing, basement dwellers like you who are too afraid to step outside your door should not be the target audience for capeshit, it should be little kids. And families still go to grocery stores. The first exposure to comic books can come from the cheap mag or two of capeshit for the kids and if he ends up liking them, he will buy real comic books with his own money when he grows up. That finnish Comic-Con wasn't full of middle-aged fatasses, it was full of Gen Z kids in shitty cosplay trying to get a signature from Don Rosa, going to the manga panels and screeching like morons in some finnish youtuber panel.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Why would they not? Just stick one Superman or Spider-Man in there, right next to the cashier counter next to the chocolate bars.
              Because DC already tried this and it bombed.

              >In the digital world comic books compete with streamers, mobile games and Tiktok shorts, they stand no chance.
              Yeah, because when Marvel and DC saw that magazines and newspapers were dying, they said we should double down. Now they're playing catch up to everyone who had been digitizing there archives and publishing new content to digital magazines or digital papers.

              >basement dwellers like you who are too afraid to step outside your door should not be the target audience for capeshit, it should be little kids
              Lol. I get my groceries delivered because I have 3 kids and it's honestly more convenient to make a grocery list online and either pick it up or have it delivered. If comics are just for kids, then why should anyone give a shit? Let them die like the millions of other kids books, kids toys, kids games, kids franchises.

              >Posts a pic of a speciality shop.
              >Acts as if it's a grocery store
              lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because DC already tried this and it bombed.
                Then they didn't try hard enough. Works fine in the entire rest of the world. Americans must be extremely stupid for that not to work.
                >Yeah, because when Marvel and DC saw that magazines and newspapers were dying, they said we should double down.
                Again, mangas are doing fine, especially in paper format. Read my text before you write your moronic troony reddit-spacing shit again.
                >If comics are just for kids, then why should anyone give a shit?
                Capeshit is for kids. Real comics are for all ages.
                >lol
                I mentioned specialty shops as well, do you have reading comprehension issues? I hope you didn't home school your 3 children.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then they didn't try hard enough. Works fine in the entire rest of the world. Americans must be extremely stupid for that not to work.
                Yes, yes, it's an education reason; not that people are going to the grocery store less and less in person or the fact, y'know, a good majority of people don't give a shit about comics in the US; it's a literal niche hobby filled with boomers, boomer speculators, and 90's kids that grew up on them.
                >Again, mangas are doing fine, especially in paper format. Read my text before you write your moronic troony reddit-spacing shit again.
                Damn, why would manga, which is primarily written for Japan, be doing well on a tiny island with lots of mass transit? True mystery.
                >Capeshit is for kids. Real comics are for all ages.
                Then why should I care about DC or Marvel? They can just just cancel comics all together and make more money on cartoons, games, and movies.

                Europeans always make me laugh. Nobody cares about your comics. Most Americans don't even know they exist. There is no notable European title that Americans go "Oh yeah, I fricking love Dylan Dog!"

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >, right next to the cashier counter next to the chocolate bars. Thats where the families pick cheap toys and magazines for kids.
              That's being phased out in america. Big stores are switching to autocheckout lanes with minimal magazine racks and at bet a small shelf of candy. Never really had toys in that area either.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Auto check-outs exist here too, but they're never going to fully replace normal checkouts because they're slower and they require more supervision for theft or scams (running cheap barcode for expensive item).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Auto check-outs exist here too, but they're never going to fully replace normal checkouts because they're slower and they require more supervision for theft or scams (running cheap barcode for expensive item).

                >That's being phased out in america
                Its being phased back in because of theft. lmao
                no seriously look that shit up.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That pic really does say it all. Comics are dead, and all that matters now are the licenses for TV/Vidya.
              Hollywood killed comics for good, they were already aging poorly(as is their demographic), and now they're just being put out so they can retain the rights to the characters, hence why diversity hires and apathetic nepotists are free to run it even further into the ground.
              If they really wanted to, it would not be hard to find someone to write and make quality art for comics. It's just never going to be a business that continues to show growth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ironically burgerland would have most potential for growth in comic book industry, since it has existed in its own tiny capeshit-bubble, compared to huge markets in Europe and Japan. A standard Donald Duck pocket album sold 4 times as much in Europe as the best selling capeshit comic in the US did.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unironically, there was a time when comic only relayed in grocery stores to sold their products and almost died because of it. The sheer amount of returned copies was the reason why the comicbook shop was born in the first place.
              Your example of DuckTales comics only holds because those are anthologies and are designed to be a long time in the shelves. But comics have a expiration date: when a new floppy comes out made the past ones obsoletes.
              You are into something, but the comics business model is very flawed and it is a surprise that it corpse hold that long.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >even the shitty manga from grocery stores.
          The closest thing to selling manga at grocery stores here is Wal-mart carrying volumes

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MCU had it's run, but DC has been garbage since the nu52. And their movies suck.

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Comics become cool during the 2010s boom of capeshit movies
    Comic characters became cool, and comic nerdery became socially acceptable (it was useful to have a friend who knew the lore.)
    Comics themselves did NOT gain coolness or popularity.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DC and marvel hire morons based on identity rather than ability.

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