Finally, quotation marks the world over can rest easy knowing that horrible punctuation hating demon is gone. Comprehensible sentence structure levels are rising. Stock in obscure 100-peso Spanish vocabulary is in absolute freefall.
Kek, well said anon.
Haven't read the book yet but was reading about it the other day and got very interested in it, but then became rather wary when I heard about his modernist experimental language bullshit. Like wtf is your problem with quotation marks nigga? Correct punctuation is a net positive without any significant drawbacks.
Explain then: what exactly does using no quotation marks accomplish? What does it add to the book? And is it worth the drawback of reduced intelligibility?
As I said (and in spite of your hostility) I'm interested in the book. I just have an intense dislike for most experimental language bs found in mostly very pretentious pseud-books, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that it might have been used productivelu in BM. So again, explain.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>reduced intelligibility
According to whom? Retards like you?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yet again, attempting to have a productive discussion has proved impossible. Don't quotation marks visually set off dialogue from the rest of the text? Does this not make the reading experience more seamless? Don't other punctuation marks seeve similar purposes? And no: that doesn't mean I would be completely incapable of recognising dialogue without quotation marks lol. I just don't see the point in deliberately making it more tedious. Don't you think there's a reason punctuation marks were developed and used over centuries?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I haven’t read the book >calls McCarthy modernist experimental language >doesn’t even know what modernist literature is >doesn’t even know what experimental literature is >think the lack of quotations is “modernist experimental” and only a recently new development >is demanding an earnest conversation
M8, you haven’t read a book you’re trying to give am opinion on. You’re a disingenuous loser who has read fewer than 20 books in your entire life.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>reduced intelligibility
According to whom? Retards like you?
Guys, please stop arguing.
Please. Not today.
6 months ago
Anonymous
tbh I had the same issues reading it, just for mechanical reasons. The audiobook by Richard Poe is 10/10 and helps with the sparse punctuation and Spanish words throughout
I literally read it the first time when I was 16 in high school and absolutely loved it, imagine getting filtered by descriptions, Cormac was an amazing writer. Start with The Road or All The Pretty Horses if you want a more accesible story to get into Cormac's style (No Country For Old Men is much more spare due to having started out as a screenplay).
>well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet >well said anon >Haven't read the book yet
Kek, well said anon.
Haven't read the book yet but was reading about it the other day and got very interested in it, but then became rather wary when I heard about his modernist experimental language bullshit. Like wtf is your problem with quotation marks nigga? Correct punctuation is a net positive without any significant drawbacks.
The lack of punctuation and symbols can be difficult at first, especially the conversations between characters can be a little confusing since you sometimes don't know who is saying what but you eventually figure it out as you read along.
There's been a shill campaign for his books the last month. I see will menaker has been getting paid to talk about mccarthys works cause of the upcoming film I suppose. If you look at Cinemaphile there's been non stop blood meridian threads for months. And now the author actually died, rip
Micks are truly the best writers. Or the most difficult writers. All three of those books were by Micks (Pynchon through his Mom), the other two are obvious.
It's not his best but it's worth reading if you like the rest of his work. Objective ranking of best McArthy books: Suttree, Blood Meridian, The Road, Border Trilogy, Passenger/Stella Marris, Child of God, The Orchard Keeper.
I would rank it:
Blood Meridian
The Road
Suttree
The Crossing
All the Pretty Horses
The Passenger/Stella Maris
Child of God
The Orchard Keeper
Cities of the Plain
The Passenger is probably the saddest book I've ever read.
I would rank it:
Blood Meridian
The Road
Suttree
The Crossing
All the Pretty Horses
The Passenger/Stella Maris
Child of God
The Orchard Keeper
Cities of the Plain
The Passenger is probably the saddest book I've ever read.
of those I've read:
Blood meridian>Suttree>The Passenger>The Road>No Country for Old Men>The Orchard Keeper
Still got the border trilogy to read
The description of what it would be like to lock a weight around your neck and jump into a cold lake in Stella Maris really bothered me. Especially when she said you need to leave the key in the boat because you don't want to be desperately looking for it on the bottom.
As a big Cormac fan it was my least favorite of all his work I've read. Far too much style and honestly poor subject matter, it is a brutal and vile book and no amount of beautiful writing really makes up for it. Blood Meridian is brutal and vile as well but there's an actual point to it - Child of God just seems aimless. Makes sense that it was one of his earlier works.
he survived all these years, but the pure distilled retardation zoomers and millennials obsessing over Wendigoon's Blood Meridian video, despite never reading it, finally killed him >(in the comments of pic related, it was revealed he hadn't read the book and was only halfway through the wendigoon video)
>Ladies and gentlemen I feel it my duty to inform you that the man holding this revival is an imposter. He holds no papers of divinity from any institution recognized or improvised. He is altogether devoid of the least qualification to the office he has usurped and has only committed to memory a few passages from the good book for the purpose of lending to his fraudulent sermons some faint flavor of the piety he despises. In truth, the gentleman standing here before you posing as a minister of the Lord is not only totally illiterate but is also wanted by the law in the states of Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Arkansas.
But he can be. That's why I prefer Brandon Fraser as The Judge, besides his build he has a pleasant looking face that makes you think he seems friendly and trustworthy similar to how The Judge was portrayed in the novel (giant baby body, child-like face/smile) but also bearing strength that was beyond human and was a complete psychopath. These features are what made The Judge very intimidating along with his high level of intellect and charisma that can be deceiving to others.
>Cormac is the sole reason why all the movie adaptions of his works had zero cuts whatsoever due to his autistic need for everything to be included >Blood Meridian adaption finally greenlit along with Cormac writing the script >dies before he barely started >adaption will be censored to hell since the author's dead
Reminder that the coca-cola scene in The Road was initially gonna be removed from the adaption because they couldn't secure an ad deal with the company, but mCarthy refused to have it cut and outright threatened to bar the film from being complete unless its added. They eventually added it in the movie and Coca-Cola got free product placement
advertising is not only about teaching people the company or products exists its just to trigger recognition and desire >Oh hey, Coke >I like Coke. Maybe I should get coke next time I'm thirsty, sounds good right now
relevance and retention maybe even more than its about "dude its in this movie/commercial it must be good"
Reminder that this is what they wanted to remove from The Road initially >all the rape scenes >the coca-cola scene >the suicide method teaching >the beach scene >changing the ending to have a happier tone instead of a bittersweet one >meat house scene
Blood Meridian is unadaptable because it is 20 times more violent than his usual forte and now he's not alive to see it all go through without cuts
Because 21st century Americans have never experienced true suffering like a war on the homefront, famine etc. Therefore such grim realities make them uncomfortable or seem unrealistic.
don't remember a rape scene in the film
they did remove some other stuff if I recall, including the baby eating scene
It's not censoring the super graphic scenes that I'd be worried about as you can still convey the violence without getting super explicit about it. I'm more concerned that they'll try to insert modern ideological messages, white man bad ect., when the book itself was characteristically apathetic morally and the brutality and indifference of nature was a key theme.
Glanton out-israelites the only israelite character in the book lmao >I thought the price was agreed? >Until some money changes hands ain’t nothin agreed
>brainlet goes with the Judge murder-raped the Kid ending >even mentions the missing girl and dwarf prostitute without understanding their significance >all after 5 hours of poorly read and pronounced audiobook when Richard Poe’s exists
Why did he do it?
Seriously this is the best character in the book, the judge is cringe and underwhelming. But glanton is good all the way through, the book gets shit when he dies.
He was my favourite also. The passage about him riding off alone from his company reminiscing over his deceased family while acknowledging his purpose in this world made me sympathize for him despite being a cold-blooded killer.
>He would live to look upon the western sea and he was equal to whatever might follow for he was complete at every hour. Whether his history should run concomitant with men and ions, whether it should cease. He'd long forsworn all weighing of consequence and allowing as he did that men's destinies are given yet he usurped to contain within him all that he would ever be in the world and all that the world would be to him and be his charter written in the urstone itself he claimed agency and said so and he'd drive the remorseless sun on to its final endarkenment as if he'd ordered it all ages since, before there were paths anywhere, before there were men or suns to go upon them.
The scene where they enter the stable and take off their coats and are shining with light so strongly that the horses have to hide their heads is so good. It implies even after all the horrible things these men have done, they are still human, still capable of being forgiven, and still have the spark of god within them. "In beings so endarkened."
His family isn’t dead, he just won’t ever see them again because they’re in Texas and he’s got a bounty on his head there. Glanton has descendants alive today (I know one).
I could've sworn I read somewhere that his wife and child were butchered by Apache (or some other tribe) which drove him mad? I think it was Samuel Chamberlain's 'My Confession' which is what inspired Blood Meridian. Then again, Chamberlain was known for exaggerating his stories so who knows. If that's true that you know of one of Glanton's descendants that is pretty cool.
This is interesting too, though it's also questionable whether it's legit or not.
Here's an archive of 'My Confession' you might dig:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.226260/mode/2up
Thanks for the archive link, the book is going for $200+ last time I looked.
But as I recall, his fiancé was killed and scalped by Indians when he was 18.
He later married another woman and had 1-2 kids. Years later he picked a fight with an Indian he saw in a Texas saloon and murdered him, which is why he fled to Arizona and linked up with his former Colonel, and formed the scalping gang.
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Anonymous
It's an interesting read complimented with paintings of what the man saw during his years of military service, even that of 'The Judge'. Thanks for the clarification.
He would have been perfect. That's the problem, every actor who'd be perfect for any character, any director who could have handled it, they're all too old or dead now.
My one and only gripe about this novel is the short summary of each chapter. My first readthrough I always skipped those because I found it just spoils the major events of each chapter, especially the death of certain characters.
If you've truly become Cinemaphile then you should've long developed the skill of going through an entire 1000 page book with these chapter summaries and not glance at a single one, looking at ye Les Miserables
I just hate spoilers in general. that's why I avoid watching movie trailers/teasers altogether since they give away the plot in a matter of minutes. I took David Lynch's advice of going to the movies with little to no knowledge of the plot so it's more of an adventure. I did this with Midsommar when I went to see it with friends and I thought it was a chick flick based on the cover alone and I was left speechless.
That method of summary is from religious texts.
You shouldn't be reading it for the plot. It's like The Bible. You read it for it's meaning. Read a sentence, reflect on it. Read a bit more, reflect.
I'm glad I avoided it like I did because there were plenty of moments in the novel that caught me off guard, especially when The Judge reunites with The Kid (now referred to as The Man) many years later at a saloon. The part where they're hunted by The Judge in the dessert while he has the naked idiot on a leash was some very bizarre shit.
Thank you for posting an actual page. I've heard about this damn book for years on here and knew nothing about it other than its unfilmable. I really liked what I read though, so I just ordered it. Thanks again, anon.
Its very pseud. the kind of thing my 16 year old self would go crazy for. I sort of get it though. This is what happens when the Wal-Mart generation starts flailing around in a desperate search for meaning, any meaning. Like anything, give us anything. Ok well you know how you liked westerns growing up? Well heres Paradise Lost the western. Paradise Lost being king of pseud. Omg its the greatest thing ever woow wow.
Not bad casting looks-wise, but I’ve noticed a lot of people misread Glanton as dumb and crazy, when he’s smart and crazy. The paragraph of him at the campfire is the best answer to the question of freewill presented in literature imo
>The eye turned to the fire gave back no light and he closed it with his thumb and sat by her and put his hand upon her bloodied forehead and closed his own eyes that he could see her running in the mountains, running in the starlight where the grass was wet and the sun's coming as yet had not undone the rich matrix of creatures passed in the night before her. Deer and hare and dove and groundvole all richly empaneled on the air for her delight, all nations of the possible world ordained by God of which she was one among and not separate from. Where she ran the cries of the coyotes clapped shut as if a door had closed upon them and all was fear and marvel. He took up her stiff head out of the leaves and held it or he reached to hold what cannot be held, what already ran among the mountains at once terrible and of great beauty, like flowers that feed on flesh. What blood and bone are made of but can themselves not make on any altar nor by any wound of war. What we may well believe has power to cut and shape and hollow out the dark form of the world surely if wind can, if rain can. But which cannot be held never be held and is no flower but is swift and a huntress and the wind itself is in terror of it and the world cannot lose it.
>brainlet goes with the Judge murder-raped the Kid ending >even mentions the missing girl and dwarf prostitute without understanding their significance >all after 5 hours of poorly read and pronounced audiobook when Richard Poe’s exists
Why did he do it?
>even mentions the missing girl and dwarf prostitute without understanding their significance
Can you explain their significance? I like hearing other peoples thoughts on it.
The horrible thing in the outhouse at the end is the missing girl, not the man. No one in that town would be horrified at seeing a dead guy, they see that all the time.
The horrible thing in the outhouse at the end is the missing girl, not the man. No one in that town would be horrified at seeing a dead guy, they see that all the time.
love blood meridian and I was gonna read his last 2 novels, otherwise I'm mostly just dick ride BM hardcore, if coen brothers get behind it or another great director it could be something
Oh I remember this well. I was scrubbed from the internet for half a decade. The speculation being since Scott Rudin is holding onto Blood Meridian like his hourly hoagie sandwich was that James Franco met with Rudin and possibly to court Rudin into letting him direct it. He goes and films this reel over a weekend, brings it back to Rudin, Rudin doesn't talk to him ever again. Franco thinking he's smart releases the footage hoping it'll drum up support via Vice similar to Ryan Reynolds leaking his Deadpool short online to get fan support for a full film except Franco's went tits up. Scott Glenn and Luke Perry are decent in this. The pissing on the gunpowder scene will never not be funny. Franco was no stranger to making movies on his own no one saw that padded out his imdb page, but this is college amateur hour levels of pitch reel.
I'll give him credit for atleast attempting to film one of the most memorable parts of the book even if it was under a tight budget, time restraints, etc. I personally thought it was OK taking these things into consideration.
>expert fiddler and dancer >claims to know God "well" >egomaniac obsessed with controlling the world, actively hates the freedom of even wild birds >tempts other characters to do increasingly bad things that usually end up getting them killed for their troubles >scene where he first encounters Glanton's gang and teaches them how to make gunpowder is cribbed almost directly from Paradise Lost, where Satan does the same thing
There are other elements of Holden that are more ambiguous and don't entirely jive with this relatively simple explanation, but the book is obviously written in such a way as to inch the reader towards the idea
The part where Brown lights the Howitzer and is laughing his ass off afterwards because of how much destruction it caused would be one of my favorite scenes if the movie is done well
NO Country for Old men would have been so much better if Anton Chigger just acted like a professional hitman and not a psycho wandering around the desert with a pressurized door knob blaster.
A film based on the novel Blood Meridian will never work, and this is why.
Films about deliberate incoherence exist - see the "works" of superhack Matthew Barney, for example - but celluloid masturbation for the sake of beating its methamphetamine-injected penis to Oingo Boingo and ejaculating swizzle sauce, can only be done on a small scale. The film must be representative of something intensely-personal to its creator, in order for it to "succeed" - for lack of a better word.
Cormac McCarthy's novels are largely-unfilmable because in a sense they are the opposite of this. They are incoherent tales of masturbatory grandeur, but on a very large scale. No Country For Old Men and The Road - both of which were heavily-flawed - still worked to some extent because the respective directors of the films understood the thinnest amount of cohesion with regard to a "plot" - and I use that term laughably - and worked strongly around that.
Blood Meridian is an altogether different kind of beast. It signifies all the grotesque excesses of Cormac McCarthy's other works, but piles on Grand Guignol-levels of wankery and a pathetic attempt at "introspection" over an enormous, sweeping design that, in the hands of other, ACTUAL authors might have worked - but instead forms an extraordinarily-boring yarn of impossible, incomprehensible excess. Almost as though the novel itself was penned from McCarthy's own ink-tainted semen.
Such a "novel" - again, I use that term laughably - would cost in excess of hundreds of millions of dollars, be six+ hours long, and leave you simultaneously disgusted at its attempts of sophomoric edginess, and yet unrelentingly-confused as to what the creators of the film were actually attempting to signify. It's The Stand, but re-written by an eighth grader with Down's Syndrome, high on meth and smearing himself frequently with Vaseline as he typed, giggled and blew spit-bubbles.
Ah, Blood Meridian. Monsieur, that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. Our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like Argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. We scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like Archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw The Judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.
Unironically this. Not at all trying to disrespect a dead man, but I never thought his books were that good. Blood Meridian might be one of the most pretentious things I've ever seen, saying what boils down to "People are shitty" but in the form of tens of thousands of words that ultimately only arrive at that single point and don't flesh it out further.
Wasn't he doing the script? If so, unfinished. What really needs an adaptation is Passenger/Stella Maris, that's got Beautiful Mind meets Le Mans potential, Blood Meridian's a bridge too far casting wise. Shame he didn't live to see Oppenheimer (hope he got an early screening in any case). RIP Buy first editions of The Border Trilogy through Passenger/Stella Maris immediately, not later, if you're late to the game; paperbacks of the early works for cheap will get Hoover'd up as well. Don't delay.
We've talked about the ending enough. I feel that the Kid becomes evil is more accurate, but I want to believe the Judge kills him because I like the Kid. Regardless, what's up with the epilogue? Can someone explain that?
I think the usual interpret is that it is about civilising the west since the plain interpretation is that they're building fences or telegraphs etc.. I think the mainstream interpretations tend to suck a bit for BM and some are actual memes with little justification (like gnosticism connections).
Anyway I haven't really thought about it but the kid was born in a meteor shower and the epilogue has the fellow putting fire in the holes so there could be some relation there, or nothing at all.
What the fuck it's real 🙁
Damn. Blood Meridian and Suttree are both masterpieces. Huge F
Wait a minute so this was who Josh Brolins look was designed on in “No Country”?
It all makes sense now
Finally, quotation marks the world over can rest easy knowing that horrible punctuation hating demon is gone. Comprehensible sentence structure levels are rising. Stock in obscure 100-peso Spanish vocabulary is in absolute freefall.
>retard being proud for being filtered
Sad
You're ESL and have brown nipples
I'm a proud anglophone sir. You're the one sucking off boring boomer books that are half in Spiccanese.
>missing the point of the untranslated Spanish phrases
Holy ESL visa tourist
Kek, well said anon.
Haven't read the book yet but was reading about it the other day and got very interested in it, but then became rather wary when I heard about his modernist experimental language bullshit. Like wtf is your problem with quotation marks nigga? Correct punctuation is a net positive without any significant drawbacks.
You’re genuinely retarded. Go watch Wnditroon, loser.
Go learn Classical Greek and Latin and read a real book, Barbarian mongrel.
>midwit got filtered
>hides behind ancient classics
Explain then: what exactly does using no quotation marks accomplish? What does it add to the book? And is it worth the drawback of reduced intelligibility?
As I said (and in spite of your hostility) I'm interested in the book. I just have an intense dislike for most experimental language bs found in mostly very pretentious pseud-books, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that it might have been used productivelu in BM. So again, explain.
>reduced intelligibility
According to whom? Retards like you?
Yet again, attempting to have a productive discussion has proved impossible. Don't quotation marks visually set off dialogue from the rest of the text? Does this not make the reading experience more seamless? Don't other punctuation marks seeve similar purposes? And no: that doesn't mean I would be completely incapable of recognising dialogue without quotation marks lol. I just don't see the point in deliberately making it more tedious. Don't you think there's a reason punctuation marks were developed and used over centuries?
>I haven’t read the book
>calls McCarthy modernist experimental language
>doesn’t even know what modernist literature is
>doesn’t even know what experimental literature is
>think the lack of quotations is “modernist experimental” and only a recently new development
>is demanding an earnest conversation
M8, you haven’t read a book you’re trying to give am opinion on. You’re a disingenuous loser who has read fewer than 20 books in your entire life.
Guys, please stop arguing.
Please. Not today.
tbh I had the same issues reading it, just for mechanical reasons. The audiobook by Richard Poe is 10/10 and helps with the sparse punctuation and Spanish words throughout
>well said!
>haven't read the book though
How would you know it was well said, retard? Go read the fucking book
The book is actually a joy to read, the description makes it sound pretentious but it really works in practice.
I literally read it the first time when I was 16 in high school and absolutely loved it, imagine getting filtered by descriptions, Cormac was an amazing writer. Start with The Road or All The Pretty Horses if you want a more accesible story to get into Cormac's style (No Country For Old Men is much more spare due to having started out as a screenplay).
>well said anon
>Haven't read the book yet
>well said anon
>Haven't read the book yet
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>Haven't read the book yet
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>Haven't read the book yet
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>Haven't read the book yet
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>Haven't read the book yet
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>Haven't read the book yet
>well said anon
>Haven't read the book yet
>reading for plot
lmao
He writes his stuff like movie scripts, easily comprehensible when and who speaks.
You're simply retarded
Thank Christ im not the only one who thought that book was incomprehensible.
The only reason any of you homosexuals know this book is because of Cum Town and Nick Mullen.
I read it in 2011, it’s still my favorite book
The lack of punctuation and symbols can be difficult at first, especially the conversations between characters can be a little confusing since you sometimes don't know who is saying what but you eventually figure it out as you read along.
>2 pages about loosing a mule
>3 pages of setting descriptoin
Maybe you should stick to I Spy books and Where's Waldo you fucking illiterate this is either high tier bait or you are retarded.
Unironically filtered.
You're right. I don't got time for pseudointellectuals. It should be to the point.
>loosing a mule
>loosing
Illiterate retard.
nagger
Leave.
where is the sticky
On Cinemaphile obviously
Should have a sticky here too he gave us some good kino.
In The Rogue Blood would make a better show.
There's been a shill campaign for his books the last month. I see will menaker has been getting paid to talk about mccarthys works cause of the upcoming film I suppose. If you look at Cinemaphile there's been non stop blood meridian threads for months. And now the author actually died, rip
Corncob has been part of the Cinemaphile meme trilogy since 2011: Blood Meridian, Gravity’s Rainbow, and Ulysses
Infinite jest, not blood meridian. But it may as well join that trilogy as it’s just as popular on there
Micks are truly the best writers. Or the most difficult writers. All three of those books were by Micks (Pynchon through his Mom), the other two are obvious.
James Joyce
John Steinbeck
You must be new mate, BM has been a staple for at least a decade on Cinemaphile and adaption questions are a daily occurrence on here for just as long
could it possibly be because it's a really good book and McCarthy was an excellent writer, one of the best American has ever produced?
What are you implying here? Those bookfags had him killed?
F
i will now read your book and probably get filtered and cope on Cinemaphile
>Notable author/writer dies
>Hollywood immediately grabs the rights to all of his works in order to make shit adaptations
RIP regardless
>they bring him back as a a hologram and make it endorse the movie
dystopian
They'd just greenlit a Blood Meridian adaption that he was working on the screenplay for.
those motherfuckers bumped him off so they can butcher his work
They knew he was dying. I hope its more a tribute than a cash grab
The Road is not that bad.
Because he was still alive to oversee it.
Just Thomas Pynchon left now.
And the chicano, DeLillo
He’s probably already dead
Every time I'm reminded that Pynchon is still alive, I still get a little surprised.
Has he left the house since the 80s?
Rip to a real nigga. Held off on reading BM cause some homosexual spoiled that Glanton and the kid dies, but might actually get to it now
Is Child of God any good?
It's not his best but it's worth reading if you like the rest of his work. Objective ranking of best McArthy books: Suttree, Blood Meridian, The Road, Border Trilogy, Passenger/Stella Marris, Child of God, The Orchard Keeper.
I would rank it:
Blood Meridian
The Road
Suttree
The Crossing
All the Pretty Horses
The Passenger/Stella Maris
Child of God
The Orchard Keeper
Cities of the Plain
The Passenger is probably the saddest book I've ever read.
You fuckers are forgetting about No Country for Old Men
because it's basically a screenplay and also completely overshadowed and made redundant by the movie
It’s really did. It took out the one part I didn’t like from the book and put the rest on film.
for me it's
1. Blood Meridian
2. Suttree
3. Outer Dark
4. All the Pretty Horses
5. No Country for Old Men
6. The Road
7. Child of God
Need to continue with the border trilogy
of those I've read:
Blood meridian>Suttree>The Passenger>The Road>No Country for Old Men>The Orchard Keeper
Still got the border trilogy to read
The description of what it would be like to lock a weight around your neck and jump into a cold lake in Stella Maris really bothered me. Especially when she said you need to leave the key in the boat because you don't want to be desperately looking for it on the bottom.
obviously, it's frankino
As a big Cormac fan it was my least favorite of all his work I've read. Far too much style and honestly poor subject matter, it is a brutal and vile book and no amount of beautiful writing really makes up for it. Blood Meridian is brutal and vile as well but there's an actual point to it - Child of God just seems aimless. Makes sense that it was one of his earlier works.
Fuck bros
RIP
You were a great author and your novels have each had a profound impact on my day to day living. Carry the Fire.
he survived all these years, but the pure distilled retardation zoomers and millennials obsessing over Wendigoon's Blood Meridian video, despite never reading it, finally killed him
>(in the comments of pic related, it was revealed he hadn't read the book and was only halfway through the wendigoon video)
Cast him
D'Onofrio
10 years ago I’d agree
The gardener from True Detective s1
Idris Elba.
JOHN CENA
Ed Harris that's too easy
They are going to get him out of the geriatric ward?
Danny devito on stilts with pale make up clean shaven.
Vince Vaughn
Stellan Skarsgard with the same makeup as the baron v harkonnen
Stavros Halkias
Idris Elba in white face
Me when I see booba
brendan frasier unironically. look at this pic and try to tell me he's not perfect for the role.
got the build, the stature, and the baby face.
>Ladies and gentlemen I feel it my duty to inform you that the man holding this revival is an imposter. He holds no papers of divinity from any institution recognized or improvised. He is altogether devoid of the least qualification to the office he has usurped and has only committed to memory a few passages from the good book for the purpose of lending to his fraudulent sermons some faint flavor of the piety he despises. In truth, the gentleman standing here before you posing as a minister of the Lord is not only totally illiterate but is also wanted by the law in the states of Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Arkansas.
Not mean enough
But he can be. That's why I prefer Brandon Fraser as The Judge, besides his build he has a pleasant looking face that makes you think he seems friendly and trustworthy similar to how The Judge was portrayed in the novel (giant baby body, child-like face/smile) but also bearing strength that was beyond human and was a complete psychopath. These features are what made The Judge very intimidating along with his high level of intellect and charisma that can be deceiving to others.
John Goodman
Glenn Fleshler
I'd thought Woody Harrelson would be a good judge like 15-20 years ago but he's too old now
Liam Neeson
>Bald, smooth-talking hypercompetent woman who wants nothing more than to commit atrocities and violate young boys
Anon, don't do this to me...
Safe and effec-ACK
Unfortunately they’re making it a fucking movie
>Cormac is the sole reason why all the movie adaptions of his works had zero cuts whatsoever due to his autistic need for everything to be included
>Blood Meridian adaption finally greenlit along with Cormac writing the script
>dies before he barely started
>adaption will be censored to hell since the author's dead
Reminder that the coca-cola scene in The Road was initially gonna be removed from the adaption because they couldn't secure an ad deal with the company, but mCarthy refused to have it cut and outright threatened to bar the film from being complete unless its added. They eventually added it in the movie and Coca-Cola got free product placement
based autist
It was an important scene. The audience needs to be able to relate to the character enjoying the cool, refreshing taste of an ice cold Coca-Cola.
>Coca-Cola got free product placement
Is product placement even important for a company as big as Coca Cola? Everyone in the globe knows about Coke.
advertising is not only about teaching people the company or products exists its just to trigger recognition and desire
>Oh hey, Coke
>I like Coke. Maybe I should get coke next time I'm thirsty, sounds good right now
relevance and retention maybe even more than its about "dude its in this movie/commercial it must be good"
i though he already wrote the screenplay back in 2011 or some shit
They did but didnt stop them from suggesting to remove some stuff (which Cormac refused to let it happen)
Hopefully his estate honors his wishes and does not like the hollywood israelite ruin it
Reminder that this is what they wanted to remove from The Road initially
>all the rape scenes
>the coca-cola scene
>the suicide method teaching
>the beach scene
>changing the ending to have a happier tone instead of a bittersweet one
>meat house scene
Blood Meridian is unadaptable because it is 20 times more violent than his usual forte and now he's not alive to see it all go through without cuts
the ending to have a happier tone instead of a bittersweet one
why do americans cant accept harsh reality?
Because 21st century Americans have never experienced true suffering like a war on the homefront, famine etc. Therefore such grim realities make them uncomfortable or seem unrealistic.
what rape scenes?
They wanted the kid bussy
yeah 100% but they never got it
don't remember a rape scene in the film
they did remove some other stuff if I recall, including the baby eating scene
It's not censoring the super graphic scenes that I'd be worried about as you can still convey the violence without getting super explicit about it. I'm more concerned that they'll try to insert modern ideological messages, white man bad ect., when the book itself was characteristically apathetic morally and the brutality and indifference of nature was a key theme.
nigga what, ATPH is originally like 4 hours long, it is famously butchered and BBT disowns it
RIP
At least he won’t have to see how badly they’ll butcher BM
Wow that's sad. I've got his final two novels to read, but I just finished my 3rd reading of blood meridian literally yesterday.
100% guarantee the Kid is going to be played by Vin Diesel's son in Hillcoat's adaptation now. Toadvine will also be black.
OOOOH RIGHT IN THE TOADVINE!
My favorite author. Read all of his books and am currently reading the Coda to The Passenger.
RIP
This could only work if it was written and directed by James Franco
The Judge as Vincent D'onofrio
The Kid as Dave Franco
Toadvine as Danny McBride
Huge F
RIP fren. This is unironically the saddest celebrity death of my life
I JUST bought Blood Meridian to re-read two days ago
>it's real
Oh sheeeeeeet
First Uncle Ted now this? Couldn’t God have taken a million useless naggers instead?
Soon my child. Soon you will walk your Road.
its my fault i accidentally stepped on my copy of blood meridian this morning and it killed him
ffs i only started reading blood meridian a week ago
FUCK
He's literally the greatest author of all time.
I'm going to buy his last two novels in his honor.
Goddamn it it's true, massive F for our guy Cormac.
>If we don't kill every nagger here we need to be whipped and sent home
GLANTON GANG
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Glanton out-israelites the only israelite character in the book lmao
>I thought the price was agreed?
>Until some money changes hands ain’t nothin agreed
I love that scene
>3:03:16
>those upvotes
lmao
Seriously this is the best character in the book, the judge is cringe and underwhelming. But glanton is good all the way through, the book gets shit when he dies.
Yeah he’s my favorite character, his real life was crazy too, died at 31.
He was my favourite also. The passage about him riding off alone from his company reminiscing over his deceased family while acknowledging his purpose in this world made me sympathize for him despite being a cold-blooded killer.
>He would live to look upon the western sea and he was equal to whatever might follow for he was complete at every hour. Whether his history should run concomitant with men and ions, whether it should cease. He'd long forsworn all weighing of consequence and allowing as he did that men's destinies are given yet he usurped to contain within him all that he would ever be in the world and all that the world would be to him and be his charter written in the urstone itself he claimed agency and said so and he'd drive the remorseless sun on to its final endarkenment as if he'd ordered it all ages since, before there were paths anywhere, before there were men or suns to go upon them.
The scene where they enter the stable and take off their coats and are shining with light so strongly that the horses have to hide their heads is so good. It implies even after all the horrible things these men have done, they are still human, still capable of being forgiven, and still have the spark of god within them. "In beings so endarkened."
His family isn’t dead, he just won’t ever see them again because they’re in Texas and he’s got a bounty on his head there. Glanton has descendants alive today (I know one).
I could've sworn I read somewhere that his wife and child were butchered by Apache (or some other tribe) which drove him mad? I think it was Samuel Chamberlain's 'My Confession' which is what inspired Blood Meridian. Then again, Chamberlain was known for exaggerating his stories so who knows. If that's true that you know of one of Glanton's descendants that is pretty cool.
This is interesting too, though it's also questionable whether it's legit or not.
Here's an archive of 'My Confession' you might dig:
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.226260/mode/2up
Thanks for the archive link, the book is going for $200+ last time I looked.
But as I recall, his fiancé was killed and scalped by Indians when he was 18.
He later married another woman and had 1-2 kids. Years later he picked a fight with an Indian he saw in a Texas saloon and murdered him, which is why he fled to Arizona and linked up with his former Colonel, and formed the scalping gang.
It's an interesting read complimented with paintings of what the man saw during his years of military service, even that of 'The Judge'. Thanks for the clarification.
>the book gets shit when he dies.
After he dies and The Judge starts hunting The Kid and Tobin is when things get most intense.
>Glanton's eyes in their dark sockets were burning centroids of murder
I can't think of Glanton without thinking of Charles Bronson
He would have been perfect. That's the problem, every actor who'd be perfect for any character, any director who could have handled it, they're all too old or dead now.
And this is beyond the fact its too controversial politically let alone violence wise to be made properly today.
>Here's your Glanton, bro.
So the judge and the kid were one person all along like Tyler durden? What a fucking ripoff.
That's wrong you fucking retard.
god FUCKING dammit
It should have been george
the longer he lives without a new book the funnier it all is.
i honestly hope he dies soon i need to finally accept there won't be more asoiaf
I hope he lives to be 150 and doesn't ever write another page just to see the seething.
jesus christ this shit is terrible
https://archive.org/details/blood-meridian-or-the-evening-redness/page/n15/mode/2up?view=theater
>He has a sister in this world that he will not see again
My one and only gripe about this novel is the short summary of each chapter. My first readthrough I always skipped those because I found it just spoils the major events of each chapter, especially the death of certain characters.
If you've truly become Cinemaphile then you should've long developed the skill of going through an entire 1000 page book with these chapter summaries and not glance at a single one, looking at ye Les Miserables
I just hate spoilers in general. that's why I avoid watching movie trailers/teasers altogether since they give away the plot in a matter of minutes. I took David Lynch's advice of going to the movies with little to no knowledge of the plot so it's more of an adventure. I did this with Midsommar when I went to see it with friends and I thought it was a chick flick based on the cover alone and I was left speechless.
That method of summary is from religious texts.
You shouldn't be reading it for the plot. It's like The Bible. You read it for it's meaning. Read a sentence, reflect on it. Read a bit more, reflect.
I'm glad I avoided it like I did because there were plenty of moments in the novel that caught me off guard, especially when The Judge reunites with The Kid (now referred to as The Man) many years later at a saloon. The part where they're hunted by The Judge in the dessert while he has the naked idiot on a leash was some very bizarre shit.
common in 19th century pulp fiction
Thank you for posting an actual page. I've heard about this damn book for years on here and knew nothing about it other than its unfilmable. I really liked what I read though, so I just ordered it. Thanks again, anon.
I only heard about it when it was shilled on here a few years back and decided to give it a read and I loved everything about it.
Its very pseud. the kind of thing my 16 year old self would go crazy for. I sort of get it though. This is what happens when the Wal-Mart generation starts flailing around in a desperate search for meaning, any meaning. Like anything, give us anything. Ok well you know how you liked westerns growing up? Well heres Paradise Lost the western. Paradise Lost being king of pseud. Omg its the greatest thing ever woow wow.
I was just thinking earlier today that this guy would have been perfect to play Glanton
Glanton had to get it on, man
Not bad casting looks-wise, but I’ve noticed a lot of people misread Glanton as dumb and crazy, when he’s smart and crazy. The paragraph of him at the campfire is the best answer to the question of freewill presented in literature imo
Post it breh
what the fucking fuck he was supposed to write the script
fucking old people man
All dying an sheeit
What do you think his final words were?
>God, I'm coming after your throne, you hostile mean nagger
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They spoke less and less between them until at last they were silent altogether as is often the way with travelers approaching the end of a journey.
I love that quote.
>The eye turned to the fire gave back no light and he closed it with his thumb and sat by her and put his hand upon her bloodied forehead and closed his own eyes that he could see her running in the mountains, running in the starlight where the grass was wet and the sun's coming as yet had not undone the rich matrix of creatures passed in the night before her. Deer and hare and dove and groundvole all richly empaneled on the air for her delight, all nations of the possible world ordained by God of which she was one among and not separate from. Where she ran the cries of the coyotes clapped shut as if a door had closed upon them and all was fear and marvel. He took up her stiff head out of the leaves and held it or he reached to hold what cannot be held, what already ran among the mountains at once terrible and of great beauty, like flowers that feed on flesh. What blood and bone are made of but can themselves not make on any altar nor by any wound of war. What we may well believe has power to cut and shape and hollow out the dark form of the world surely if wind can, if rain can. But which cannot be held never be held and is no flower but is swift and a huntress and the wind itself is in terror of it and the world cannot lose it.
>brainlet goes with the Judge murder-raped the Kid ending
>even mentions the missing girl and dwarf prostitute without understanding their significance
>all after 5 hours of poorly read and pronounced audiobook when Richard Poe’s exists
Why did he do it?
>even mentions the missing girl and dwarf prostitute without understanding their significance
Can you explain their significance? I like hearing other peoples thoughts on it.
The horrible thing in the outhouse at the end is the missing girl, not the man. No one in that town would be horrified at seeing a dead guy, they see that all the time.
What other interpretation is there? The little girl was murdered/raped? Someone took a nasty shit in there? (I am retarded btw)
yep
>CormACK! McCarthy
vax status?
STOP FUCKING DYING ALREADY
RIP
what a damn shame
How did he die?
safe and effective
>Perfectly healthy 90 year old does suddenly
he was 89
love blood meridian and I was gonna read his last 2 novels, otherwise I'm mostly just dick ride BM hardcore, if coen brothers get behind it or another great director it could be something
Nobody seems to be aware of James Franco's rough adaptation of Blood Meridian whenever a thread is made regarding the book.
Oh I remember this well. I was scrubbed from the internet for half a decade. The speculation being since Scott Rudin is holding onto Blood Meridian like his hourly hoagie sandwich was that James Franco met with Rudin and possibly to court Rudin into letting him direct it. He goes and films this reel over a weekend, brings it back to Rudin, Rudin doesn't talk to him ever again. Franco thinking he's smart releases the footage hoping it'll drum up support via Vice similar to Ryan Reynolds leaking his Deadpool short online to get fan support for a full film except Franco's went tits up. Scott Glenn and Luke Perry are decent in this. The pissing on the gunpowder scene will never not be funny. Franco was no stranger to making movies on his own no one saw that padded out his imdb page, but this is college amateur hour levels of pitch reel.
I'll give him credit for atleast attempting to film one of the most memorable parts of the book even if it was under a tight budget, time restraints, etc. I personally thought it was OK taking these things into consideration.
Too cool for punctuation, too cool for this world.
I just started reading blood too and autistically been dragging my feet about finishing it.
rest in peace, my favorite author.
>you will never hang out with Toadvine and get drunk with him and burn down hotels with him
Cinemaphile here
We're watching this thread and laughing at you
We'll have the last laugh when corncob's estate lets Hollywood run hog wild through his catalog, frendo
You cant stop whats coming
>expert fiddler and dancer
>claims to know God "well"
>egomaniac obsessed with controlling the world, actively hates the freedom of even wild birds
>tempts other characters to do increasingly bad things that usually end up getting them killed for their troubles
>scene where he first encounters Glanton's gang and teaches them how to make gunpowder is cribbed almost directly from Paradise Lost, where Satan does the same thing
There are other elements of Holden that are more ambiguous and don't entirely jive with this relatively simple explanation, but the book is obviously written in such a way as to inch the reader towards the idea
Read BM Chads know Glanton is the best character in the book, not the Judge.
He died in 2013-2016. I’m from that reality anyway. What’s going on here?
>David Brown wants the ceremonial shotgun sawed off.
>"There’s something wrong with you."
You call that a man?
The part where Brown lights the Howitzer and is laughing his ass off afterwards because of how much destruction it caused would be one of my favorite scenes if the movie is done well
If someone can die at 89 then any of us can die at any time 🙁
>There's a game. Said Toadvine. Play monte in the dark with a pack of naggers.
always gets me
hah Guy Pearce is my casting pick for Toadvine, he’s getting too old now though
OK but who plays Judge?
At least he won't be alive to see his masterpiece ruined
NO Country for Old men would have been so much better if Anton Chigger just acted like a professional hitman and not a psycho wandering around the desert with a pressurized door knob blaster.
I honest to God truly believe he literally died from cringe seeing the wendizooms molest BM.
this book is trash and it will never be adapted because it's not gay trash
The fact that one of his recent interviews was with someone who wouldn't let him talk is infuriating. Now its his last.
Judge Holden should be CGI. They should get zack snyder to direct. It should have a 300 unreliable narrator feel
Do you hold the light?
Redpill me on his children
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A film based on the novel Blood Meridian will never work, and this is why.
Films about deliberate incoherence exist - see the "works" of superhack Matthew Barney, for example - but celluloid masturbation for the sake of beating its methamphetamine-injected penis to Oingo Boingo and ejaculating swizzle sauce, can only be done on a small scale. The film must be representative of something intensely-personal to its creator, in order for it to "succeed" - for lack of a better word.
Cormac McCarthy's novels are largely-unfilmable because in a sense they are the opposite of this. They are incoherent tales of masturbatory grandeur, but on a very large scale. No Country For Old Men and The Road - both of which were heavily-flawed - still worked to some extent because the respective directors of the films understood the thinnest amount of cohesion with regard to a "plot" - and I use that term laughably - and worked strongly around that.
Blood Meridian is an altogether different kind of beast. It signifies all the grotesque excesses of Cormac McCarthy's other works, but piles on Grand Guignol-levels of wankery and a pathetic attempt at "introspection" over an enormous, sweeping design that, in the hands of other, ACTUAL authors might have worked - but instead forms an extraordinarily-boring yarn of impossible, incomprehensible excess. Almost as though the novel itself was penned from McCarthy's own ink-tainted semen.
Such a "novel" - again, I use that term laughably - would cost in excess of hundreds of millions of dollars, be six+ hours long, and leave you simultaneously disgusted at its attempts of sophomoric edginess, and yet unrelentingly-confused as to what the creators of the film were actually attempting to signify. It's The Stand, but re-written by an eighth grader with Down's Syndrome, high on meth and smearing himself frequently with Vaseline as he typed, giggled and blew spit-bubbles.
Not necessarily in that order.
Ah, Blood Meridian. Monsieur, that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. Our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like Argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. We scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like Archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw The Judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.
>criticises “masturbatory excesses” using even more pretentious masturbatory excess
nice work
Unironically this. Not at all trying to disrespect a dead man, but I never thought his books were that good. Blood Meridian might be one of the most pretentious things I've ever seen, saying what boils down to "People are shitty" but in the form of tens of thousands of words that ultimately only arrive at that single point and don't flesh it out further.
The fact that its about the exact opposite of that shows how much of a fucking moron you are
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Wasn't he doing the script? If so, unfinished. What really needs an adaptation is Passenger/Stella Maris, that's got Beautiful Mind meets Le Mans potential, Blood Meridian's a bridge too far casting wise. Shame he didn't live to see Oppenheimer (hope he got an early screening in any case). RIP Buy first editions of The Border Trilogy through Passenger/Stella Maris immediately, not later, if you're late to the game; paperbacks of the early works for cheap will get Hoover'd up as well. Don't delay.
I don't like his stuff, but I respect him for writing it. RIP.
Waiting for Wes Anderson to adapt Blood Meridian
I wasn't even aware that he was still alive.
We've talked about the ending enough. I feel that the Kid becomes evil is more accurate, but I want to believe the Judge kills him because I like the Kid. Regardless, what's up with the epilogue? Can someone explain that?
telephone poles
I think the usual interpret is that it is about civilising the west since the plain interpretation is that they're building fences or telegraphs etc.. I think the mainstream interpretations tend to suck a bit for BM and some are actual memes with little justification (like gnosticism connections).
Anyway I haven't really thought about it but the kid was born in a meteor shower and the epilogue has the fellow putting fire in the holes so there could be some relation there, or nothing at all.
I read it as the Judge killing him
>Almost made it to 90.
Damn just a tad over a month away.
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When Marvin von studelsberg feels like it.
>trends for an hour on twitter
>then replaced by playoff hockey
lit bros... how do we cope...