A princess that wants more, an evil witch, a brave prince, some romance and an epic score. What more could we need?
Could Disney recover by taking a more back to basics approach?
A princess that wants more, an evil witch, a brave prince, some romance and an epic score. What more could we need?
Only if the princess is a white prince and the knight is a black viking warrior queen
Quite easily. they just won't do it. They're gonna die on this hill.
>What more could we need?
A classic atory to adapt
There's a nigh endless supply of public domain myths, fairy tales and general literature. Like BOOM. Disney's Ivanhoe. You'd watch it.
>adapt
You mean butcher
>their best-selling franchise is about a single ice lesbian and her weirdly incestuous relationship with her sister
Lol. Honestly the odds of them still making movies like you described aren't zero, but they're never going to go back to regularly making them. Audiences have responded well enough to their newer animated movies, I'd say the bigger problem is they suck at marketing them (Wish, Encanto) or blatantly ignore them to intentionally tank them (Strange World).
Their best selling single brand is Mickey Mouse, then Lion King, the best selling franchise is Disney Princess, which Frozen is only a fraction of. So spare your bizarre take on lesbians being the reason Disney made so much money.
Audiences still wouldn't see it.
this. if they want classics they'd just search the library/archives for existing work
Oh, look, yet another lousy bait thread with a crap AI OP.
HOLY SHIT MANDALOREGAMING
Why do the knights on the right have two sets of legs?
And why are they going away from the battle?
because it's shitty AI art
No because that would be too heteronormative and white. Thats way too problematic.
But Disney follows trends. They see how much the Super Mario Bros made this year compared to their own animated films.
That's because it's based on a video game property and because Mario is dogshit.
>Could Disney recover by making the most generic and straightforward plot for an animated movie since Ruby Gillman?
No
they just dont know how to write female main characters.
disney owns avatar, they should ask cameron how he is able to make female movie kino like aliens
Bruh if Aliens came out today then people here would totally call it woke
No. People would love it because it shows a flawed woman fail due to her own issues, fight to overcome them and the situation, and come out... Mentally scarred but alive.
Nah. They’d still complain the white men died, the white robot was a evil traitor to the women and POCs, and call the whole thing woke. Etc. etc.
Don’t underestimate how much incels complain.
No because if it came out today there would be a white male character who would arrogantly get eaten by the aliens to make a point and the female main character would bang a black guy. And she would be trans, rather than tomboyish.
Just like they hated Alita Battle Angel and called it woke! Oh wait, that's not what happened at all. I don't know, anon, maybe you're full of shit.
Or Everything Everywhere All at Once.
If Alien/Aliens came out today the movie would not even be the same and the writing way worse and on the nose, so probably. Alien written by a current year modern writer would be garbage
Not a fucking chance
Audiences are tired of seeing the same shit over and over. That's why superhero movies are on the decline, that's why "guaranteed" blockbusters like Indiana Jones flopped, that's why Disney movies keep underperforming.
Going back to basics just means releasing a movie identical to 48 other movies they've made. It would flop too
>people aren't tired of subversive slop, they're tired of 'classic' movies and tv shows like big mouth!
Big Mouth is a TV show on a streaming platform that most people already have, not a movie that you have to pay tickets to see.
BIG MOUTH
THE MOVIE
BIG MOUTH
THE MOVIE
They could. The question is what that will entail. Right now, Disney's ranks from top to bottom are filled with people who feel their ideological pursuits are more important than the company's profits, whose collective political power overwhelms concepts like merit, whose compensation are not tied to performance, whose short term goals do not align with Disney's long term health. They are by no means all, or even a majority of the employees. But they are a protected class who will aggressively attack and punish others for pointing out problems. These people cannot be fired and replaced until the company cannot sustain them, and they leave on their own accord. Disney is a fat juicy pig, and the parasites will not find another host until it's almost skin and bones.
The upcoming board fight involving two different activist investment companies, ValueAct and Trian, will determine the fate of Disney, and it's not because of politics per se. ValueAct works with tech companies, while Trian works with industrial. What is the difference? Tech companies tend to be "growth stocks" while industrial companies are "value stocks." Trian's goal would be to fix products, improve the actual income at a company, and generate dividends for shareholders. Tech companies meanwhile tend not to have dividends or income, so ValueAct will likely focus on pumping up stock price through the promise growth down the road. One creates true value, the other is infatuated with molding perception.
If Trian wins, people might get fired. If ValueAct wins, nothing will change, but expect a rash of pie-in-the-sky announcements from Disney that will never come to pass. ValueAct would have cashed out long before people realize it.
Mental illness.
Yes people like you are mentally ill, his summary of the current state of the economy was correct and EGS bullshit with beanmouthed tumblrtards is well documented at this point. But you're determined to cause a confrontation you will lose because you are a rabid dog, so you will be put down by the majority of people who are tired of your shit and then you will no longer be able to hide on twitter seething about how people 'just don't get it'. Most artists in history starved. Go starve, homosexual.
It's not the farmer's fault that the cattle refuse to eat the slop.
No. They need to actually innovate.
They've driven out a shitload of talent, I'm not sure there's anyone left at the company with the skills to course correct. Everyone's gone to Sony, Locksmith and Sydance.
They need a back to basics, traditional fairy tale, no subversion, no "quirky" princesses, make romances front and centre again, and have the princesses dressing in really pretty dresses (not just fairly nice looking traditional <insert culture here> dresses). Make the songs singable, there shouldn't be any song where the average 10 year old couldn't do (terrible) karaoke to with the lyrics in front of them.
How could they shake it up? Maybe Andrew Lloyd Webber and his team to make a traditional musical? Get a legendary animator like Glen Keane and a team of thirsty, talented 3D animators to work together and fuse the styles better?
And this isn't a mental illness?
You seem to not understand what mental illness is because you are mentally ill. Mental illness is not "you're being mean to me" it's you being an insane non-functioning parasite that makes life shit for the majority of society. Now get in the padded room and stay there, you fucking freak.
Men-Tal Ill-Ness.
The Dreamworks/Shrek movie and it’s success with self depreciating of the genre broke Disney for all time. They’ll never go back to a nonquirky girl and with overwhelming outside opinions of how they head me “romance” in their kid movies, will never go back to a male love interest for Princess movies in the next 10 years at least.
The reason you won’t see another white Princess for a while too, is because Disney is already stocked and back catalogued with a bunch of them already that they still market the hell out of to this day. That’s why they go for a different race. Well that, and for a different culture to exploit for the film’s background.
^of how they handle the romance of their kid film..
Lasseter threw out the isekai Rapunzel with Jack Black and Reese Witherspoon and got them back to making traditional fairy tales with Tangled.
Over time Disney got addicted to pleasing Twitter types and moved away from fairy tales again. Turns out you only can only cash in "Disney announce their first gay anthromorphic electric kettle" for so long.
>traditional fairy tales with Tangled
Expect it isn't, Tangled took a astory beefed up the female character and the male character, added more quirky characters and a toxic mother relationship.
It's still the core "Rapunzel is a long haired princess, locked in the tower by a witch before being freed by her one true love" story. It's not a great deal worse than the changes made to their other fairy tales.
The witch in Rapunzel was always a toxic mother figure.
That's pretty much it really, people scream "Go back to the old." But they kind of forget that those fail and keep failing.
Everyone is trying to capture old lightning in a bottle, Disney wants to make a new snow white thays woke, Ben Shapiro and Critical Drinker went to make a Snow White that isn't woke.
I'm wondering why make an old story in the first place.
They don't fail because they aren't happening in the first place.
Make a Princess and the Pea adaptation.
It’s probably the most well known fairy tale told to American children, that Disney hasn’t adapted yet.
They'll just turn everyone into brown trannies.
Your fetish is showing.
>A princess that wants more, an evil witch, a brave prince, some romance and an epic score. What more could we need?
A cute tomboy princess
A baba yaga with her chicken-leg house
A morally-righteous prince
Some romance
A classic soundtrack, none of this pop stuff
It's not so much as pop sound tracks, its that they need to go back to giving the sound tracks a unique flavour.
It sounds silly saying this but every Lion King song sounds like it's from the Lion King, even if you had an Elton John hit in there. Likewise Little Mermaid songs all fit each other.
Sounds like you want a disney version of 'The Death of Koschei the Deathless'. Honestly, I'd be down for a movie like that so long as they committed to the darkness of the story, 'Black Cauldron' style.
You will get the pic related, but SURPRISE SURPRISE the knight is actually an ugly butch black woman
It's always really hard to trust adults who want to 'reach out' to kids as a main thing they do.
Like a fire-fighter might visit schools as a side thing they do sometimes, but their main thing is being a fire-fighter.
After everything Disney has done and how they treat originality, it's time to boycott that evil and corrupt company of today called Disney!
If necessary, burn that company to the ground! Boycott Disney! Boycott!
It's not happening dude, twitter homosexuals killed "damsel in distress"
We have yet to have a black prince.
Have an interracial couple for the next Princess film.
>We have yet to have a black prince
I'd watch an Animated version of the Battle of Crecy.
I'd be honestly interested in Disney taking African tales and making a movie from it. I am in favour of other cultures getting media made about them.
Disney being Disney, however, they'll probably make a movie about Alexander the Great and make him black instead of thinking about learning anything about African cultures. I hate race-swapping so much, it ruins immersion and is an easy out to learning about other cultures.
Even when they tried pandering, like with Mulan, it gets controversy. What African tales would be easily adaptable without risk of fucking up?
>What African tales would be easily adaptable without risk of fucking up?
A disappointingly large number of black people in America think Wakanda is a real country, and that Cleopatra is black. I doubt literary accuracy and authenticity would pose a problem, or even be noticed by them.
That said, Nefertiti is the legitimately interesting black female historical figure, and it's odd that there isn't a good movie about or inspired by her.
the capeshit craze is over and we never got a Static Shock adaptation I hate this stupid timeline so fucking much
First of all, his name is Static goddamn it! Secondly, you wouldn't want it done today, it would be full of BLM shit.
The old cartoon was 90's 'politically correct' but it was good. Maybe it could work if they brought in the original creators. It's rather galling that Hollywood would rather blackwash all these white characters instead of making a proper adaptation of a good character who has always been black who was actually created by and written by black creatives.
static shock is an infinitely better name and anyone advocating for him to just be "static" fundamentally misunderstands marketing and wants the character to remain obscure forever
Disgusting AI image.
Make the knight a hot lady and I'll consider it
They should adapt existing fairytales and old legends once again, i'm sick of stupid "generational trauma" milquetoast drivel.
People are going to fucking lose their minds when that Pixar Baseball episode airs...
That's still not out?
Comes out before the end of the year. You will 100% know when it comes out.
No. People do not want back to basics. Disney's formula doesn't work because it is being forced to have a foot in two camps due to its brand identity, but its brand identity is, essentially, a relic of a dead time that is never coming back.
Look at successful recent animation projects. Things like Arcane, Puss in Boots, etc. These are not aping the spirit of a dead era, and they embrace fully what they are in a way that Disney films simply cannot do anymore.
Nothing will change at Disney until the people in charge are changed out.
Why do you want more cookiecutter standardized movies? Shouldnt we ask for better quality movies? Just chaninging the color and gender of the protagonists wont make for a better quality movie.
I want 2D movies again.
A lot of the old movies hold up for the animation more than the story. Things like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty certainly have their charm, but would they do well released today? I'm skeptical.
Look at Wreck-It Ralph or Zootopia. Make a setting that's fun (both visually and narratively) and some characters we can enjoy, and give us a good villain. It really should be easy. Frankly the fact that we've had multiple whiffs like Lightyear, Onward, Strange World, Raya, Wish, etc. is baffling. It's not that they "need to go back to basics" so much as that they need to just plain stop approving shitty scripts. And yes, a fun villain that you can beat up is safer than "generational trauma" or "a fantasy-threat to the fantasy-environment." More nebulous problems CAN be done well! Personally I liked Encanto, Turning Red, and Luca, and heaven knows other studios have given us winners with "no-clear-villain" movies like The Secret of Kells or Spirited Away... but Disney would certainly do well to steer clear of that because they've been on a losing streak.
The prince is barely a thing in Snow White, and in Sleeping Beauty he's just a channeling vessel for the actual protagonists, the three old ladies doing magical battle with Maleficent. He's willingly along for the ride but is not the hero.
I want a 2D movie about a brave and competent knight going on knightly adventures. If it means he needs to slay a princess and save a dragon, then so be it.
>If it means he needs to slay a princess and save a dragon, then so be it.
>Cruel princess enslaves magical animals
>Knight rescues dragon
>Princess ends up falling to her death off a cliff when trying to backstab the Knight
It's Disney, they wouldn't want a man killing a woman that wasn't shape-shifted
Shrek already subverted those expectations for that particular scenario.
it still needs to be GOOD
Frozen was a 'subversive' fairy tale adaptation but extremely profitable. Wreck it Ralph and Zootopia were also not fairy tales but they were well received. What they all had in common is being good.
Knight saving princess would actually be subversive now.
We already had sword in the stone
Subversive isn't automatically good. You could go grab one of those old Disney knockoff movies, the direct to video Sleeping Beauty or something, and it would have a "Prince saves the Princess" plot. And would probably be shit.
Aladdin wasn't good because it was "guy saves the Princess." It was good because it had a fun story, great visuals, amazing music, and a whole assortment of fun characters that you wanted to see on screen.
Strange World didn't suck because it lacked "hero saves the Princess" it sucked because it was visually slop, the story was a mess that just wasn't fun, the music was forgettable, and there was only one good character in the whole thing (Jaeger Clade is one of Disney's greatest creations and I will fight anyone that disagrees), which just isn't enough.
I remain furious that "what if we merged Gaston and Clayton, but made him a good guy that's not very good at being a father (although he means well)" was wasted on a shitty movie.
>"what if we merged Gaston and Clayton, but made him a good guy that's not very good at being a father (although he means well)"
Okay, now this is starting to sound not awful.
The movie was bad. Jaeger was based, a pulp hero that had become a grandfather and didn't have anything evil to beat up, so he had to settle for death-defying feats against wildlife that he tended not to kill because it's not like they meant any harm. Within five minutes of meeting his grandkid he was giving relationship advice ("take 'em along on an adventure, save 'em when they're going to die, they'll fall for you. Guaranteed, works every time") and giving hands-on flame-thrower instruction.
It's one of those "one good character in a bad movie" deals.
That face looks shopped, like it feel intentionally bad looking.
As soon as a competitor can do a knight rescuing a princess story with a neat hook and catchy music, and with a small budget, Disney is done for.
We're probably safe then. Not even Japan or France are making movies that manage to do "knight saves the princess" but with a hook that makes that old-ass premise fresh again.
I'm looking into AI video options to make this a reality, but so far I think it's still too soon.
Why would anyone want to watch a movie nobody wanted to draw? Pick up a pencil and make a webcomic instead, Jesus. No whining about not having the talent either, lots of webcomic artists are on the low end of art skills, but the story shines through.
>Draw
Okay boomer.
If you want to make anything worth seeing, you'll need to work at it. I encourage you to try.
>shabazik
It's never going to be a reality if your only option is to sloppify it.
Maybe he should just get a loan and hire a korean animation studio.
There's plenty of mediums a single person can feasibly achieve, all better than settling for slop too.
Nimona's an animated movie that started as a webcomic posted on tumblr of all places. The Witcher started as novels written in Polish. "There's no way I can share my ideas without using the plagiarism-algorithm!" is cope for people that don't want to put in even minimum effort.
>plagiarism-algorithm
Who did he plagiarize?
>If you can't pick out the exact artists used by an algorithm that throws a bunch of artists' work in a blender, it's fine
Nah, it's a plagiarism algorithm for people that want to make "content" but don't feel like learning how to even draw a circle.
You don't even need to make the plagiarism argument, it just looks like deep fried shit and because of the architecture and how complex image generation is it will probably always look like shit compared to actual human-made content.
It can spit out interesting things, but it's, like, 1:250 generated images. It's gacha for art.
By its very nature it's derivative slop, I don't know how anyone but the mentally stunted can find it entertaining for longer than a brief moment.
Okay. Enjoy your circles.
Imagine feeling smug by taking a shit in public
>Women have the same face
>Background is just absolute nonsense that gets worse the more you look
>It's all stolen from pieces of art that look better, and reassembled by a moron that couldn't create something worthwhile to save his life
Make a Knight movie in the vain of Seven Samurai or The Magnificent Seven.
A Bug's Life?
When's the last time you've seen that story done straight?
Knight is tasked by the king to rescue his daughter from X (say a witch to avoid rape scenarios). Knight has to go through trails and adventures to reach the witch's tower and must outwit the witch (because magic > strength).
King's Quest VI. Prince Alexander has to brave the Labyrinth to rescue the princess of the winged ones from the evil minotaur as part of his quest to save his love, princess Cassima.
Animated? The Knight and the Princess probably comes closest. It's on Netflix. Bit of a novelty since it was Egyptian and a musical, and after saving the Princess from her captors he had to go on and fight another dude, but still played the traditional story pretty straight. And it was boring as fuck. I've seen worse but it was very poor and derivative.
There are bargain bins full of old movies that did that shit straight, nobody is unearthing them and going "wow this is better than Disney's current output!"
"Brave knight saves the Princess, there are no twists or quirks" just isn't a very good story by itself.
Yeah, "twist and quirks" and definitely a must. But the quirk being "SHE'S A GIRLBOSS THAT DON'T NEED NO MAN" is played out.
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>Babylon Bee
smooth brain
Maybe the answer is not to go back to the classic formula or to focus on subverting it, but to move onto new types of stories that they haven't done before. Don't try to recapture the past or try to "modernize" it, just move on to something new.
I unironically want to see a Disney cartoon with the time period being the 1970s
If I were in control of disney I would just stop producing shit under the main brand and buy out another animation company then direct the funds to them. It worked with Pixar. If they weren't stupid they could probably do the same with bluesky since bluesky got like a bajillion canceled films they now own but they haven't done shit with that. They literally just bought bluesky so they could own ice age and then literally gave some of the IPs away so other competition could profit of them for some reason. Not that I trust disney to be smart in the current year but if I were them I'd be using my billions of dollars to try and aquire shit like dreamworks, Illumination, warner bros, etc.
Please don't pose AIslop.
Could you make a thread that isn't boring slop Pajeet?
I want to see them do a Disney princess movie out of the Chinese 3 kingdoms.
Knights and princesses are out. People prefer single dads now.
They prefer single dads raising someone else's kid.
Didn’t they do that sort of thing already with Enchanted?
How long ago was Enchanted?