Exile is the narrative driver, the series shows her reconnecting with the force but rejecting Kreia’s nihilism in favour of LS altruistic philosophy and defending that belief by killing her as the big bad of the series.
>Think of the alternative anon, black male exile where Handmaiden gets BLACKED
What makes you think they will would make the exile a white woman? They would make her a PoC and the handmaiden would be a white boy or they would keep the exile a white girl and make Bao Dur a nigga for sure. Either way, someone is getting blacked.
It’s funny cause the Exile in KotOR 2 as presented is the most passive led-by-the-nose character in like all of Star Wars
inb4 “it’s the medium!” No. Revan was driving the plot right there in KotOR 1
Lecture style worked in the game because you where a silent protagonist that picked dialogue options from a bunch of choices. Having a dynamic Convo where the chatting pings back and forth a lot doesn't mesh well with that. So you get lectures, from everyone. Except the Droid he just fucking beeps.
>Having a dynamic Convo where the chatting pings back and forth a lot doesn't mesh well with that. So you get lectures, from everyone. >t. failed the Atris convo
>"EXIIIIIIIIILE!" Kreia said softly, "THERE ARE SEVERAL STAR WARS THREADS IN EXISTENCE ALREADY, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE THIS ONE?!" >"K-krei-" said the Exile >"DID YOU NOT CONSIDER THAT THE OVERSATURATION OF THREADS MAY DRIVE THIS FRANCHISE UNTO THE GRAVE EVEN SWIFTER???!"
"J-just really like Kotor 2..." said the Exile, furiously jamming medpacks into his veins >"BUT WHYYYYYYYYYYYY DO YOU LIKE KOTOR 2?!!!!" Kreia screeched, igniting 6 purple lightsabers and swinging them with the monstrous force of 6 invisible Twi'lek dancer models >"I-I-" the Exile stammered, but KOed under the weight of Kreia's final cheatengine enabled level 46 buffed Force Scream, whispered with all the weight of Chris Avellone's coke-fueled pen >"It is because you had no choice."
What is the story of KOTOR 2 about?
I ask because I've never been interested in Star Wars, much less its video games, but it's one of those games that is always referenced on Cinemaphile(nel).
Thank you in advance
It's just a massive pointless fetch quest disguised as Chris Avellone's deep dislike of the setting that is expressed via his self insert mouthpiece old lady nagging you for the entire game.
The exact same induction that makes people say the same of Rian Johnson
Rian Johnson probably doesn't hate Star Wars, but belongs in the same camp as JJ Abrams of people who think they understand the universe better than its creator.
This old failed jedi master hates the jedi and the force because it manipulates and causes death without ppl knowing. She decides to destroy the force and give people free will....but at a cost
Some dumb bitch that could never get over the fact that she's not as special as she thinks she should be somehow blames "man's inhumanity to man" on space magic and tries to hatch some looney toon scheme to kill the force.. because in her demented woman brain she thinks that will stop a massive galaxy with irreconcilable social/economic/political differences and the military capacities for mass destruction from holocosting itself every couple hundred years.
The kill the force concept is just willfully ignoring that the balance of the force doesn't incite conflict, the predisposition of life, it creates a counter balance that occasionally empowers protagonists to unfuck things with cheesy hacks.
>that the balance of the force doesn't incite conflict >it creates empowers protagonists to unfuck things with cheesy hacks.
God i hate fucking mormons trying to excuse the force fucking power fantasy so much
>YOU CAN'T BE AGAINST THE TANGIBLE POWER THAT DICTATES EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES EVEN IF IT CREATES MARY SUES THAT SHITS ON THE GALAXY EVERY GENERATION >WHY? Y-YOU JUST CAN'T OK? ITS LIKE GOING AGAINST GOD
homosexual
They give kreia to little credit tho. She has a lot to say. And a decent reason for her plan. But is ultimately wrong because humanity needs God. Without the force who would guide us? A prime minister >_>
Life is struggle. Apathy is death. She says these words and claims the force causes conflict at the end and manipulates us as a reasoning for her destroying it. But without that struggle the universe would just die
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Anonymous
She doesn't have that much of a problem with struggle, she just hates the idea of being manipulated by some unknowable force, of not having free will.
She herself manipulates people and encourages you to do so because she recognizes that this is the greatest strength of the Force, way beyond shooting lightning or eating life. It's essentially emulating God to spite God.
>because in her demented woman brain she thinks that will stop a massive galaxy with irreconcilable social/economic/political differences and the military capacities for mass destruction from holocosting itself every couple hundred years.
Absolute retard take. It's not war or death itself she has a problem with stupid, or did you somehow miss her trying to convince you to fuck other people over?
>you get kicked out the light side for using a grape drank lightsaber without being a Jedi of color >tfw your padawan goes hard S on the entire galaxy shortly thereafter
>"There's no source material," Kennedy said. "We don't have comic books. We don't have 800-page novels. We don't have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.
>kicked out of the jedi club for being too edgy >kicked out of the sith club for being not edgy enough
2bh both the jedi and the sith are retards so I can understand why she wants both factions to fuck off and die
It would suck for these couple of two reasons:
A. She was a hooah,
B. It's Star Wars,
C. It's a videogame adaptation,
and D. that wasn't my kid she was carrying.
Every time I see a kotor2 post I feel obligated to remind midwits that the whole point of the game's flooded philosophical underpinnings is that kreia is wrong about everything and her whole worldview is just her projecting her own cope and insecurities and her total inability to get over herself. The irony that the people who are the games harshest tryhard critics are exactly the type never ceases to amuse.
you're not intelligent, you're a desperate pseud. Actually read a fucking book. Oh and God's real, your cope is just you trying to disassociate from your shame
The fact that I was disagreeing with her philosophy back when every gamer was accepting it and trying to convince me that I just "don't get it" made me realize that I'm much smarter than I think.
Though there are cases when "apathy is death" is true. Take Luke from sequels, for example.
I hate how that tomb vision-quest put in people's minds that revan is defacto dual wield, when his saber pairing was far more likely to symbolize his duality in nature through purple: good guy but not quite a model Jedi, and red: a fascist autocrat who's ends justify his means.
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Anonymous
If I'm not mistaken, he was shown dual wielding during his time as a sith lord. Red-purple combination symbolized that he's a sith but not without mercy. Of course they canonized him as worldling only one purple lightsaber later.
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Anonymous
You clearly see in Kotor 1 he used one saber. The dual sabers in 2 was probably mostly metaphor with some reference to the fact that dual is by far the strongest choice in 1.
>could you make a tv show about an existing property in 2023
nah, let me stop you right there. i don't want more franchise slop and i definitely don't want to see deborah wilson's take on kreia, thanks.
Bastila was also still alive. Maybe some others too.
Also clearly fucking Disciple took the lead on that shit because in 300 years the Jedi looked exactly the fucking same again.
I will never not seethe about it not getting made
I was so excited playing KOTOR2 thinking that in only a couple of years I could play the third and figure out what Revan is up to
i played kotor 2 this summer and i don't get the hype
it's obviously better written than most of the current disney+ streamed shit but it's nothing groundbreaking yet it was shilled to me like a big brained experience that skewers the rest of star wars with its philosophy
no the lecture is what makes it kino
they shoulda made Kreia use dark force powers to FtM trannify herself and then you could just make her and Palpatine the same dude or whatever
theres your kino with faekwoke slapped on top in the most ironic manner
I'd expect whoever would make a KOTOR II film/show to make Nihilus way too prominent, shoving him into scenes like Vader for the benefit of basedboys to gasp at mouth agape
Even though he and Sion are essentially Darth Vader if you split him, Nihilus being the cool exterior of a badass yet ultimately empty dark lord that prompts basedboys to cum their pants while Sion is the tortured man underneath the dark veil.
I love these kinds of posts where some dude imagines a very low-stakes scenario to seethe about and types it out on an imageboard. You're so much better than the guys you just imagined.
I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it. My fiancee is out there right now on tour racking in millions in cash and cachet so we can run a kotor project our own way without any shitlickers to get in our way.
She's actually an interesting character though? They need to make a high budget well written story like "Kingdom of Heaven" tier dialogue about the force coming from Kreia.
yes just make Goodfellas G0-T0 edition
Yes, make the dynamic less student/teacher and more a debate on somewhat equal ground. Exile is the more powerful force user after all
I like this. Don’t know how the exile could out charisma her ideals
Exile is the narrative driver, the series shows her reconnecting with the force but rejecting Kreia’s nihilism in favour of LS altruistic philosophy and defending that belief by killing her as the big bad of the series.
And thus continuing the same old jed/sith dogma.
>the series shows her reconnecting with the forc
>another female protagonist
I don't care if its lore accurate.
Think of the alternative anon, black male exile where Handmaiden gets BLACKED
>Think of the alternative anon, black male exile where Handmaiden gets BLACKED
What makes you think they will would make the exile a white woman? They would make her a PoC and the handmaiden would be a white boy or they would keep the exile a white girl and make Bao Dur a nigga for sure. Either way, someone is getting blacked.
It’s funny cause the Exile in KotOR 2 as presented is the most passive led-by-the-nose character in like all of Star Wars
inb4 “it’s the medium!” No. Revan was driving the plot right there in KotOR 1
How do you mean?
This
Lecture style worked in the game because you where a silent protagonist that picked dialogue options from a bunch of choices. Having a dynamic Convo where the chatting pings back and forth a lot doesn't mesh well with that. So you get lectures, from everyone. Except the Droid he just fucking beeps.
>Having a dynamic Convo where the chatting pings back and forth a lot doesn't mesh well with that. So you get lectures, from everyone.
>t. failed the Atris convo
No I just didn't cherry pick an outlier. I focused in the trend for my generality.
There are numerous conversations where the Exile can give snappy dialog or create a good back and forth.
Well, not really from my recollection of the game. I believe your cherry picking. But I understand, do you like the new one piece show?
No, after reading over a thousand chapters of One Piece I've decided that I don't much care for it.
Your probably a Virgin and a fageet!
why's there not more Asian characters (female) in the Star Wars movies, tv shows, and vidya?
Visas marr in kotor 2 is asian
Very racist post. She just doesn't have eyes.
No, it doesn't really work without the Kreia contrarian nonsense.
>"EXIIIIIIIIILE!" Kreia said softly, "THERE ARE SEVERAL STAR WARS THREADS IN EXISTENCE ALREADY, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO CREATE THIS ONE?!"
>"K-krei-" said the Exile
>"DID YOU NOT CONSIDER THAT THE OVERSATURATION OF THREADS MAY DRIVE THIS FRANCHISE UNTO THE GRAVE EVEN SWIFTER???!"
"J-just really like Kotor 2..." said the Exile, furiously jamming medpacks into his veins
>"BUT WHYYYYYYYYYYYY DO YOU LIKE KOTOR 2?!!!!" Kreia screeched, igniting 6 purple lightsabers and swinging them with the monstrous force of 6 invisible Twi'lek dancer models
>"I-I-" the Exile stammered, but KOed under the weight of Kreia's final cheatengine enabled level 46 buffed Force Scream, whispered with all the weight of Chris Avellone's coke-fueled pen
>"It is because you had no choice."
>she said calmly
And she was a good friend.
What is the story of KOTOR 2 about?
I ask because I've never been interested in Star Wars, much less its video games, but it's one of those games that is always referenced on Cinemaphile(nel).
Thank you in advance
It's just a massive pointless fetch quest disguised as Chris Avellone's deep dislike of the setting that is expressed via his self insert mouthpiece old lady nagging you for the entire game.
>self insert is killed and ultimately proven wrong by protagonist
What did Avellone mean by this?
>Chris Avellone's deep dislike of the setting
where the fuck did this meme come from
The exact same induction that makes people say the same of Rian Johnson
Lucas haters unironically.
Rian Johnson probably doesn't hate Star Wars, but belongs in the same camp as JJ Abrams of people who think they understand the universe better than its creator.
This old failed jedi master hates the jedi and the force because it manipulates and causes death without ppl knowing. She decides to destroy the force and give people free will....but at a cost
sounds based. what has the force ever done for us?
Endless wars & death.
Get a Job.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST NOT CARE ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE HOMELESS
The force is gay and some old hag wants to destroy it by tricking the player
Some dumb bitch that could never get over the fact that she's not as special as she thinks she should be somehow blames "man's inhumanity to man" on space magic and tries to hatch some looney toon scheme to kill the force.. because in her demented woman brain she thinks that will stop a massive galaxy with irreconcilable social/economic/political differences and the military capacities for mass destruction from holocosting itself every couple hundred years.
The kill the force concept is just willfully ignoring that the balance of the force doesn't incite conflict, the predisposition of life, it creates a counter balance that occasionally empowers protagonists to unfuck things with cheesy hacks.
>that the balance of the force doesn't incite conflict
>it creates empowers protagonists to unfuck things with cheesy hacks.
God i hate fucking mormons trying to excuse the force fucking power fantasy so much
>One ring to rule them all? Psh. Completely unrealistic
Yeah buddy.. those damn Mormons.
>YOU CAN'T BE AGAINST THE TANGIBLE POWER THAT DICTATES EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES EVEN IF IT CREATES MARY SUES THAT SHITS ON THE GALAXY EVERY GENERATION
>WHY? Y-YOU JUST CAN'T OK? ITS LIKE GOING AGAINST GOD
homosexual
It is wrong to try to kill god
They give kreia to little credit tho. She has a lot to say. And a decent reason for her plan. But is ultimately wrong because humanity needs God. Without the force who would guide us? A prime minister >_>
Life is struggle. Apathy is death. She says these words and claims the force causes conflict at the end and manipulates us as a reasoning for her destroying it. But without that struggle the universe would just die
She doesn't have that much of a problem with struggle, she just hates the idea of being manipulated by some unknowable force, of not having free will.
She herself manipulates people and encourages you to do so because she recognizes that this is the greatest strength of the Force, way beyond shooting lightning or eating life. It's essentially emulating God to spite God.
The same problem exists in Lotr, Tolkien just gave it the same theological excuses used in real life.
>because in her demented woman brain she thinks that will stop a massive galaxy with irreconcilable social/economic/political differences and the military capacities for mass destruction from holocosting itself every couple hundred years.
Absolute retard take. It's not war or death itself she has a problem with stupid, or did you somehow miss her trying to convince you to fuck other people over?
Only post in this thread if you fully understand the subtle philosophies of Darth Kreia.
That guy is a retard.
>u fully understand the subtle philosophies of Darth Kreia.
You mean Nietzsche? That is Chris Avellone's favorite philosopher.
>7.8m views
is there any other video game character whose philosophies gained more views than that?
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE YOUR POCKET CHANGE TO THE HOMELESS
it was at this point i knew im gonna have to slap a bitch
>you get kicked out the light side for using a grape drank lightsaber without being a Jedi of color
>tfw your padawan goes hard S on the entire galaxy shortly thereafter
CRUSH ALL STAR WARS FAGS
Remember when Kennedy lied & said that there was no women characters before her?
Allows her and Filoni are stealing ideas from kotor
Good morning, sirs. How's the English class going?
>"There's no source material," Kennedy said. "We don't have comic books. We don't have 800-page novels. We don't have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.
My man.
There is only one man for the job.
What the actual fuck was her problem?
She had a hard life.
>kicked out of the jedi club for being too edgy
>kicked out of the sith club for being not edgy enough
2bh both the jedi and the sith are retards so I can understand why she wants both factions to fuck off and die
It would suck for these couple of two reasons:
A. She was a hooah,
B. It's Star Wars,
C. It's a videogame adaptation,
and D. that wasn't my kid she was carrying.
Every time I see a kotor2 post I feel obligated to remind midwits that the whole point of the game's flooded philosophical underpinnings is that kreia is wrong about everything and her whole worldview is just her projecting her own cope and insecurities and her total inability to get over herself. The irony that the people who are the games harshest tryhard critics are exactly the type never ceases to amuse.
you're not intelligent, you're a desperate pseud. Actually read a fucking book. Oh and God's real, your cope is just you trying to disassociate from your shame
The fact that I was disagreeing with her philosophy back when every gamer was accepting it and trying to convince me that I just "don't get it" made me realize that I'm much smarter than I think.
Though there are cases when "apathy is death" is true. Take Luke from sequels, for example.
>apathy is death
Kreia never says this though
She says that in the nightmare if you disagree to pick either her or the rest of your crew's side
>she
That wasn't Kreia. It was the ghost of Ludo Kressh fucking with the exile
I hate how that tomb vision-quest put in people's minds that revan is defacto dual wield, when his saber pairing was far more likely to symbolize his duality in nature through purple: good guy but not quite a model Jedi, and red: a fascist autocrat who's ends justify his means.
If I'm not mistaken, he was shown dual wielding during his time as a sith lord. Red-purple combination symbolized that he's a sith but not without mercy. Of course they canonized him as worldling only one purple lightsaber later.
You clearly see in Kotor 1 he used one saber. The dual sabers in 2 was probably mostly metaphor with some reference to the fact that dual is by far the strongest choice in 1.
The exact source of the vision is debatable at best but the sentiment was 100% her.
>Oh and God's real, your cope is just you trying to disassociate from your shame
uuuhhhhhhhhhhh proof?
>the advanced pseud doesn't get it so in the greatest twist of irony ever attributes projection
Every time, it's hilarious.
>influence gained: Creia
>influence lost: Creia
>could you make a tv show about an existing property in 2023
nah, let me stop you right there. i don't want more franchise slop and i definitely don't want to see deborah wilson's take on kreia, thanks.
>Handmaiden will be black
>Visas will be Latina, can't have hot Asians
Are you saying that because she has no eyes.
So this game is telling players that a Jedi Council of Atton, Brian, Visas, Mira and Bao-dur managed to rebuild everything?
I'm surprised they didn't get Order 66'd again
Bastila was also still alive. Maybe some others too.
Also clearly fucking Disciple took the lead on that shit because in 300 years the Jedi looked exactly the fucking same again.
>these MFers spawned the Jedi Masters that trained Yoda
Even back then Avellone is a hack
It was like 3,000 years later nigga.
All i know is the 3rd game was the Jedi Exile going to the Unknown Regions to find Revan with the KOTOR 2 companions
I will never not seethe about it not getting made
I was so excited playing KOTOR2 thinking that in only a couple of years I could play the third and figure out what Revan is up to
The 2 party would have stayed behind except for T3 and HK. Though I do think the ending of 2 would imply Atton would come.
Will I like these games if I absolutely hate Star Shit?
I lice both old bioware and obsidian ganes, but always avoided them because of the setting
Why do you hate it anon?
Dunno. Just never liked star wars, dont find any if the movies appealing at all.
why the fuck would you want to try the games then
literally
>oh no im playing a game of a franchise i hate and i dont enjoy it how could this happen
I got really hooked up on star wars only after playing kotor 1. I liked the movies but wasn't a star wars fun because of them.
i played kotor 2 this summer and i don't get the hype
it's obviously better written than most of the current disney+ streamed shit but it's nothing groundbreaking yet it was shilled to me like a big brained experience that skewers the rest of star wars with its philosophy
OH NOO IM STUCK IN CONFINED SPACES WITH A TIGHT BODIED SKIMPY DRESSED NINJA GIRL THAT WILL STRANGLE ME WITH HER THIGHS HOW HORRIBLE
is it better that the romance in KOTOR I&II was very subtle? as opposed to later rpgs like Dragon Age
I felt really teased about it as a horny kid
yes
Dressing like that around her mother's student...
KOTOR 2 needs KOTOR 1
Because everyone says that they are great RPGs. If they are really that good, i could push through the shit setting
name my band
intergalactic butt bongo fiesta
no the lecture is what makes it kino
they shoulda made Kreia use dark force powers to FtM trannify herself and then you could just make her and Palpatine the same dude or whatever
theres your kino with faekwoke slapped on top in the most ironic manner
I'd expect whoever would make a KOTOR II film/show to make Nihilus way too prominent, shoving him into scenes like Vader for the benefit of basedboys to gasp at mouth agape
Even though he and Sion are essentially Darth Vader if you split him, Nihilus being the cool exterior of a badass yet ultimately empty dark lord that prompts basedboys to cum their pants while Sion is the tortured man underneath the dark veil.
I love these kinds of posts where some dude imagines a very low-stakes scenario to seethe about and types it out on an imageboard. You're so much better than the guys you just imagined.
I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it. My fiancee is out there right now on tour racking in millions in cash and cachet so we can run a kotor project our own way without any shitlickers to get in our way.
It's over man, larping won't make a good project happen.
Every time she goes on a lecture you shut her up with rape
She gets obsessed with you and keeps lecturing you to get more sex
She's actually an interesting character though? They need to make a high budget well written story like "Kingdom of Heaven" tier dialogue about the force coming from Kreia.