idk maybe cause i live in australia and there's people who remind me of the characters in this film. obvs to a much lesser extend but people who can manipulate others into thinking their anger and violence is justified because the people they abuse deserve it but in reality they just pick and choose whoever they feel like
yeah me too. that fricking guy saying 'you're not a wuss are you?' or whatever reminds me of my dad. even though he is soft he just thought he should say shit like that
When you're older you'll appreciate it. My dad was a bit of a dick, but in hindsight he was just trying to prepare me for the world, make me a man and keep me honest. Compared to how trooned out and homosexual everyone is becoming, I'm actually grateful.
It sucked. It's clumsy and ends at the climax, which is left unspent. It wants to be a brutal and hard to watch horror film but pulls punches and goes soft.
iirc all the actors had zero acting experience aside from some commercials, aside from the dude who played the cross dresser who was the magician in mulholland drive
One of my all time favourite movies, I grew up and still live in Adelaide so it's weird to have such a brutal serial killer based so close by. Loved the gradual build up of dark tone and atmosphere, the movie just gets more and more uncomfortable.
Yeah he was, it's a shame he hasn't done that much more work.
iirc all the actors had zero acting experience aside from some commercials, aside from the dude who played the cross dresser who was the magician in mulholland drive
That's interesting, did not no that, M Drive is another favourite of mine.
Adelaide is such a messed up place. Another accident at that interchange yesterday which any other city - a normal city run by at least smart grifters and not grifters who just were the only ones willing to stay around - would not have a fricking ski slope for trucks going into a suburb. That's just the start of Adelaide's horrors though. This movie is very accurate to the northern suburbs
>muh southern expressway
The blood is on trucking companies hands, I've seen a lot of B-doubles around with bald tires and the drivers say their bosses won't shell out for new ones until they're 100% confirmed not road worthy, the stingy pricks. The current fuel price hike will only have these companies cutting even more safety corners to save cash, this shit will happen even more now. What else are the state government meant to do? It's 60 for trucks all the way down the freeway, accidents are way down even with yesterday's incident.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-24/serious-truck-crash-at-south-eastern-freeway/101265088
that fricking troony lmao
The thing is while the trucking companies are at fault for sure, there's just no way that such an obvious hazard would be there in the first place anywhere else. It's defended by locals 'uh the truckies are cowboys' because you don't know what things are like outside your pond. You think having shit like that is normal. But if you come in to Adelaide from somewhere else you see things like that and say "what the frick? no way holy shit"
Yea the movie has a sickening feel to it because the majority of the setting is domestic and normal, and then its interrupted with death, torture and killings
Makes it feel a lot realer than more grandiose serial killer flicks.
>Of course the Port Arthur official story is a bit sus anyway. Wonder how its handled.
I listened to Mark Kermode's review of it and it sounds like they show everything leading up to the incident, not the incident itself and it's all about gun control, plain and simple.
Brought to you by the department of arts lmao
I thought it was dumb how his name is literally Nitram in the film and people don't seem to question why his name is Martin backwards, like I get it Kurzel didn't want to glorify Bryant by naming him in the film but Nitram? Just spell his name Martyn or something
Saw this many moons ago but I'll never forget that one scene where he makes the one guy strangle that boy and let him breathe again over and over.
"Stop. Again. Stop. Again" ...Christ
It just said Jamie falls in love with his mothers boyfriend which sounds super homosexual!
Both these anons are wrong btw
Most of the victims weren't even gay, they killed basically anyone they didn't like and justified it by saying they were "killing pedophiles" He only acted like a father figure to the kid because he was a victim of child molestation
Unpopular opinion but I don't think movies should be made about real cases like that. It's tasteless. Imagine your loved one gets murdered and then it gets turned into entertainment.
It is. There's no way around it. Filmmakers try to justify it by saying they are doing some sort of public service, but that's just self-serving bullshit.
Yeah, but it serves as more of a curiosity piece rather than strict entertainment. I don't think anyone enjoyed Snowtown, more they were engrossed or captivated by the shock of it all.
Entertainment isn't just about enjoyment. It's about appealing to interests or desires. Such films appeal to a morbid fascination with other people's suffering. It's the instinct to crowd around and stare at a road accident victim that these film makers are appealing to.
If you had kids and they were murdered, would you really want them turned into a curiosity piece for people to be captivated or engrossed by their suffering?
>If you had kids and they were murdered, would you really want them turned into a curiosity piece for people to be captivated or engrossed by their suffering?
Possibly not but at the same time I could understand people being interested in the story so I wouldn't object.
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Really? Horror movie fans getting a big bowel of chips and maybe a few beers and sitting back to watch your family member's death dramatized for their viewing pleasure? I'd be pissed off.
Why can't filmmakers come up with fictional stories instead? They use real cases because that's part of the appeal of such films. Like those roasties who love their true-crime podcasts. There's something not quite right about it all. The fact that people are making money out of it is especially dodgy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Where do you draw the line on telling a story just because it was true? Are war stories okay? Embarrassing ones? What makes this story so sacrosanct?
2 years ago
Anonymous
maybe at least get permission from the living relatives first.
People watch films to alleviate boredom, so on some level people are being entertained by movies like Snowtown. Otherwise they wouldn't watch them. See
I’m bored. Just started this I’m 3 minutes in
2 years ago
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I literally don't care man, I'm not really going to advocate for art to be censored, I've seen a lot worse things in poor taste, personally I think Justin Kurzel is quite respectful when he makes films about true events. If you think a film will upset you, just avoid it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I think Justin Kurzel is quite respectful when he makes films about true events.
Respectful enough to give all the money he made from it to victim's families?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why the frick would he do that? Does he look like Justin "Medicare" Kurzel to you?
2 years ago
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Just trying to gauge the level of respect we're talking about here >your loved ones get brutally murdered >some aspiring filmmaker, eager for his big break makes 1.5 hours of entertainment out of it >>your loved one's grizzly death is now a commodity for bored rubber-neckers >doesn't ask you if you're ok with it beforehand >gets wealth and acclaim because of it
2 years ago
Anonymous
If that ticks you off, wait until you find out what insurance companies' business model is!
2 years ago
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>what if you reacted exactly like how I just described?
Where is it writte all of those strawman family members acutally think like that? By this logic ever israelite would hate Schindler's List.
2 years ago
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>Where is it writte all of those strawman family members acutally think like that?
Family members may or may not agree with me. The point is there is no way of knowing if they've even been consulted before the making of the film. It's quite possible they haven't been consulted and are not thrilled that their loved one's death has been turned into a piece of entertainment and a vehicle for a filmmaker to advance their own career.
A lot of people are accustomed to not questioning the sources of their entertainment too deeply. That is especially obvious with porn.
2 years ago
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>The point is there is no way of knowing if they've even been consulted before the making of the film.
Most likely possible, also afaik there aren't many family members left with Snowtown, if any. > It's quite possible they haven't been consulted and are not thrilled that their loved one's death has been turned into a piece of entertainment and a vehicle for a filmmaker to advance their own career.
Again, that can be said about Schindler's List too. I don't get where exactly you draw the line. Movies about the JFK assassination is ok? Or will it be ok if you show it without making any profit?
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I dunno but in the case of the snowtown murder as somebody who lives in SA, i feel ppl discuss this case quite casually even with the level of brutality of the case , so am.not surprise people would make a movie out of it.
Nothing happens in adelaide so might as well make something fun out of it (no matter how morbid)
2 years ago
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not to be offensive but adelaide really seems heavily underdeveloped in comparison to the rest of australia. What's the story behind this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
We used to have skyline laws until the 90s, basically it was almost impossible to get council approval for buildings over 5 stories in the CBD, that way you could see the hills from anywhere in the city. The council and state government have all since sold out to developers which is why you now see massive apartment blocks springing up everywhere.
The other reason is that the economy here has never been that booming, a lot of young people move to Sydney and Melbourne for more culture. I like Adelaide small, it depresses me that so many highrises are appearing now.
Melbourne's a nice city but Sydney is a fricking shithole and it's mainly due to overdevelopment.
2 years ago
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thanks. I'm asking because whenever i saw Adelaide in books, movies or shows it often feeled like some poor southern state from USA which is not how i usually imagined Australia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right mate people just don't like being confronted with the reality that some of their tastes and behaviors are shit. Watched it once years back and even then it was just misery porn using popular murders to make a splash and get paid
2 years ago
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Not part of this argument but as an aside this movie should not be thought of by anyone as a horror movie. Those are meant to give you a thrill, really. Not be a harrowing intimate view to real events make you despair at how bad life can be for people. If someone is putting it in horror/thriller collections with Jason X and Texas Chainsaw, they need to fricking get talked to.
2 years ago
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>If someone is putting it in horror/thriller collections with Jason X and Texas Chainsaw
They do though. See Wolf Creek, for example.
I don't think the "hey at least I wasn't jumping for joy or jerking off while watching them" thing means they aren't still a form of entertainment.
i see what you mean but i feel like this argument only really applies to exploitative films where the historical event isn't treated like a case study but instead as a vehicle for the plot. something like the boy in striped pajymas where it revolves around a twist ending where a non-israelite gets gassed. i think that movie is a prime example of what you're talking about, a talentless hack thinks of a horrible event and puts their own unique spin on it. that being said, i dont think it applies here, the subject matter was treated with full honesty and respect, it doesn't worry about the plot and instead relies on simply documenting the events that led up to this tragedy.
When a crime turns public its no longer the family's story. Everyone who lived though it, the volunteers who searched for missing people, those who read about it every day, they lived it too. It becomes a public story that everyone lives through, and people want answers and a movie is often the best way to deliver them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and a movie is often the best way to deliver them
I very much doubt that. At the very least, a documentary would be less tasteless than a feature film. But even documentaries are a bit suspect imo.
Sure, from a legal point of view you might be right that a story so public is fair game. But I'm talking about ethics, not legality.
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I'm not talking about legality. A book is probably a better medium for a big crime breakdown, but the average person doesn't read.
There is something off about it, but so is any film with violence or sex in it, particularly when it's a polemic against say domestic violence, yet in a way glorifies it, like Once Were Warriors. Movies can have it both ways. We aren't allowed to be violent maniacs anymore so video games and movies are a nice, sublimating panacea
There was a true crime episode on Rodger and re enacted him in his BMW driving by beach kids and shooitng them with his glock at sunset, looked just like a computer game
>get raped by your half-brother >join a gang of meth-addled unhinged bogans as they go on a killing spree, get your normie cousin tortured and murdered by the same gang
do australians really?
what about it?
idk maybe cause i live in australia and there's people who remind me of the characters in this film. obvs to a much lesser extend but people who can manipulate others into thinking their anger and violence is justified because the people they abuse deserve it but in reality they just pick and choose whoever they feel like
yeah me too. that fricking guy saying 'you're not a wuss are you?' or whatever reminds me of my dad. even though he is soft he just thought he should say shit like that
When you're older you'll appreciate it. My dad was a bit of a dick, but in hindsight he was just trying to prepare me for the world, make me a man and keep me honest. Compared to how trooned out and homosexual everyone is becoming, I'm actually grateful.
>cause i live in australia
is it the irish criminal genes?
bump, anyone seen this?
It sucked. It's clumsy and ends at the climax, which is left unspent. It wants to be a brutal and hard to watch horror film but pulls punches and goes soft.
bump, anyone seen this?
me, i saw all kurzel movies. He's my favorite director. 5/5 kinos.
That dude who played Bunting was really good.
iirc all the actors had zero acting experience aside from some commercials, aside from the dude who played the cross dresser who was the magician in mulholland drive
One of my all time favourite movies, I grew up and still live in Adelaide so it's weird to have such a brutal serial killer based so close by. Loved the gradual build up of dark tone and atmosphere, the movie just gets more and more uncomfortable.
Yeah he was, it's a shame he hasn't done that much more work.
That's interesting, did not no that, M Drive is another favourite of mine.
SHOOT THE FRICKING DOG!!!!
this was hard to watch. Felt depressed for a full day after it. Was good but dunno if I could watch again
Pretty good. Should've went with Heath Ledger, though.
They made it 3 years after his death mate.
What? I thought it was old. Like Two Hands old. I'd google this to confirm, but I dunno.
Adelaide is such a messed up place. Another accident at that interchange yesterday which any other city - a normal city run by at least smart grifters and not grifters who just were the only ones willing to stay around - would not have a fricking ski slope for trucks going into a suburb. That's just the start of Adelaide's horrors though. This movie is very accurate to the northern suburbs
>muh southern expressway
The blood is on trucking companies hands, I've seen a lot of B-doubles around with bald tires and the drivers say their bosses won't shell out for new ones until they're 100% confirmed not road worthy, the stingy pricks. The current fuel price hike will only have these companies cutting even more safety corners to save cash, this shit will happen even more now. What else are the state government meant to do? It's 60 for trucks all the way down the freeway, accidents are way down even with yesterday's incident.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-24/serious-truck-crash-at-south-eastern-freeway/101265088
that fricking troony lmao
The thing is while the trucking companies are at fault for sure, there's just no way that such an obvious hazard would be there in the first place anywhere else. It's defended by locals 'uh the truckies are cowboys' because you don't know what things are like outside your pond. You think having shit like that is normal. But if you come in to Adelaide from somewhere else you see things like that and say "what the frick? no way holy shit"
Yea the movie has a sickening feel to it because the majority of the setting is domestic and normal, and then its interrupted with death, torture and killings
Makes it feel a lot realer than more grandiose serial killer flicks.
Yeah it's kino. Basically this
Anyone saw Nitram? Is it as good as this one?
No, but now that you mention it i want to check it out.
Of course the Port Arthur official story is a bit sus anyway. Wonder how its handled.
>Of course the Port Arthur official story is a bit sus anyway. Wonder how its handled.
I listened to Mark Kermode's review of it and it sounds like they show everything leading up to the incident, not the incident itself and it's all about gun control, plain and simple.
Brought to you by the department of arts lmao
grim reading there.
That's some cool schizoposting
>Anyone saw Nitram? Is it as good as this one?
Nitram is more psychological than violent. But yeah, it's great.
I thought it was dumb how his name is literally Nitram in the film and people don't seem to question why his name is Martin backwards, like I get it Kurzel didn't want to glorify Bryant by naming him in the film but Nitram? Just spell his name Martyn or something
>I thought it was dumb how his name is literally Nitram in the film
>literally
it's a nickname. He's still a Martin in the movie.
Saw this many moons ago but I'll never forget that one scene where he makes the one guy strangle that boy and let him breathe again over and over.
"Stop. Again. Stop. Again" ...Christ
can't find it on rargb
dont bother. aussies cant make kino
dont need to, its on youtube atm
whats some more youtube kino?
I just looked it up and it's there
http://rarbg.to/torrent/z9yutrf
Description sounds gay as shit. Is it gay as frick?
>movie about killing gays is gay
Huh?
It just said Jamie falls in love with his mothers boyfriend which sounds super homosexual!
That's not what happens at all. He was a surrogate father figure to him and they killed poofs together, true story.
Both these anons are wrong btw
Most of the victims weren't even gay, they killed basically anyone they didn't like and justified it by saying they were "killing pedophiles" He only acted like a father figure to the kid because he was a victim of child molestation
What the frick is wrong with South Australians? Seriously.
Higher English ancestry percentage.
Free settlers aka not convict scum.
Unpopular opinion but I don't think movies should be made about real cases like that. It's tasteless. Imagine your loved one gets murdered and then it gets turned into entertainment.
I don't know if I'd call it entertainment per se.
It is. There's no way around it. Filmmakers try to justify it by saying they are doing some sort of public service, but that's just self-serving bullshit.
Yeah, but it serves as more of a curiosity piece rather than strict entertainment. I don't think anyone enjoyed Snowtown, more they were engrossed or captivated by the shock of it all.
Entertainment isn't just about enjoyment. It's about appealing to interests or desires. Such films appeal to a morbid fascination with other people's suffering. It's the instinct to crowd around and stare at a road accident victim that these film makers are appealing to.
If you had kids and they were murdered, would you really want them turned into a curiosity piece for people to be captivated or engrossed by their suffering?
>If you had kids and they were murdered, would you really want them turned into a curiosity piece for people to be captivated or engrossed by their suffering?
Possibly not but at the same time I could understand people being interested in the story so I wouldn't object.
Really? Horror movie fans getting a big bowel of chips and maybe a few beers and sitting back to watch your family member's death dramatized for their viewing pleasure? I'd be pissed off.
Why can't filmmakers come up with fictional stories instead? They use real cases because that's part of the appeal of such films. Like those roasties who love their true-crime podcasts. There's something not quite right about it all. The fact that people are making money out of it is especially dodgy.
Where do you draw the line on telling a story just because it was true? Are war stories okay? Embarrassing ones? What makes this story so sacrosanct?
maybe at least get permission from the living relatives first.
People watch films to alleviate boredom, so on some level people are being entertained by movies like Snowtown. Otherwise they wouldn't watch them. See
I literally don't care man, I'm not really going to advocate for art to be censored, I've seen a lot worse things in poor taste, personally I think Justin Kurzel is quite respectful when he makes films about true events. If you think a film will upset you, just avoid it.
>I think Justin Kurzel is quite respectful when he makes films about true events.
Respectful enough to give all the money he made from it to victim's families?
Why the frick would he do that? Does he look like Justin "Medicare" Kurzel to you?
Just trying to gauge the level of respect we're talking about here
>your loved ones get brutally murdered
>some aspiring filmmaker, eager for his big break makes 1.5 hours of entertainment out of it
>>your loved one's grizzly death is now a commodity for bored rubber-neckers
>doesn't ask you if you're ok with it beforehand
>gets wealth and acclaim because of it
If that ticks you off, wait until you find out what insurance companies' business model is!
>what if you reacted exactly like how I just described?
Where is it writte all of those strawman family members acutally think like that? By this logic ever israelite would hate Schindler's List.
>Where is it writte all of those strawman family members acutally think like that?
Family members may or may not agree with me. The point is there is no way of knowing if they've even been consulted before the making of the film. It's quite possible they haven't been consulted and are not thrilled that their loved one's death has been turned into a piece of entertainment and a vehicle for a filmmaker to advance their own career.
A lot of people are accustomed to not questioning the sources of their entertainment too deeply. That is especially obvious with porn.
>The point is there is no way of knowing if they've even been consulted before the making of the film.
Most likely possible, also afaik there aren't many family members left with Snowtown, if any.
> It's quite possible they haven't been consulted and are not thrilled that their loved one's death has been turned into a piece of entertainment and a vehicle for a filmmaker to advance their own career.
Again, that can be said about Schindler's List too. I don't get where exactly you draw the line. Movies about the JFK assassination is ok? Or will it be ok if you show it without making any profit?
I dunno but in the case of the snowtown murder as somebody who lives in SA, i feel ppl discuss this case quite casually even with the level of brutality of the case , so am.not surprise people would make a movie out of it.
Nothing happens in adelaide so might as well make something fun out of it (no matter how morbid)
not to be offensive but adelaide really seems heavily underdeveloped in comparison to the rest of australia. What's the story behind this?
We used to have skyline laws until the 90s, basically it was almost impossible to get council approval for buildings over 5 stories in the CBD, that way you could see the hills from anywhere in the city. The council and state government have all since sold out to developers which is why you now see massive apartment blocks springing up everywhere.
The other reason is that the economy here has never been that booming, a lot of young people move to Sydney and Melbourne for more culture. I like Adelaide small, it depresses me that so many highrises are appearing now.
Melbourne's a nice city but Sydney is a fricking shithole and it's mainly due to overdevelopment.
thanks. I'm asking because whenever i saw Adelaide in books, movies or shows it often feeled like some poor southern state from USA which is not how i usually imagined Australia.
You're right mate people just don't like being confronted with the reality that some of their tastes and behaviors are shit. Watched it once years back and even then it was just misery porn using popular murders to make a splash and get paid
Not part of this argument but as an aside this movie should not be thought of by anyone as a horror movie. Those are meant to give you a thrill, really. Not be a harrowing intimate view to real events make you despair at how bad life can be for people. If someone is putting it in horror/thriller collections with Jason X and Texas Chainsaw, they need to fricking get talked to.
>If someone is putting it in horror/thriller collections with Jason X and Texas Chainsaw
They do though. See Wolf Creek, for example.
I don't think the "hey at least I wasn't jumping for joy or jerking off while watching them" thing means they aren't still a form of entertainment.
i see what you mean but i feel like this argument only really applies to exploitative films where the historical event isn't treated like a case study but instead as a vehicle for the plot. something like the boy in striped pajymas where it revolves around a twist ending where a non-israelite gets gassed. i think that movie is a prime example of what you're talking about, a talentless hack thinks of a horrible event and puts their own unique spin on it. that being said, i dont think it applies here, the subject matter was treated with full honesty and respect, it doesn't worry about the plot and instead relies on simply documenting the events that led up to this tragedy.
When a crime turns public its no longer the family's story. Everyone who lived though it, the volunteers who searched for missing people, those who read about it every day, they lived it too. It becomes a public story that everyone lives through, and people want answers and a movie is often the best way to deliver them.
>and a movie is often the best way to deliver them
I very much doubt that. At the very least, a documentary would be less tasteless than a feature film. But even documentaries are a bit suspect imo.
Sure, from a legal point of view you might be right that a story so public is fair game. But I'm talking about ethics, not legality.
I'm not talking about legality. A book is probably a better medium for a big crime breakdown, but the average person doesn't read.
There is something off about it, but so is any film with violence or sex in it, particularly when it's a polemic against say domestic violence, yet in a way glorifies it, like Once Were Warriors. Movies can have it both ways. We aren't allowed to be violent maniacs anymore so video games and movies are a nice, sublimating panacea
An Elliot Roger biopic would be the funniest comedy of all time, worth it.
There was a true crime episode on Rodger and re enacted him in his BMW driving by beach kids and shooitng them with his glock at sunset, looked just like a computer game
I’m bored. Just started this I’m 3 minutes in
>get raped by your half-brother
>join a gang of meth-addled unhinged bogans as they go on a killing spree, get your normie cousin tortured and murdered by the same gang
do australians really?
yeah, the bathtub scene has stayed with me ever since watching, really messed up
Kurzel is the best director in the world right now.
Snowtown, kelly gang and nitram is the best trilogy of this century.
Aussie kino thread?
Wolf Creek 2 > 1
S.A is so depesperate lmao.
VIC Chads will always rise.