I goddamn hate the opening, the old ones were always sexy even when it didn't show skin at all, but the new ones go out of their way to desexualize and it's overly stylistic and overproduced mess -- urgh, one of the reviews for Casino Royale actually praised how Craig's Bond was sexualized but not the Bond girls -- yet both were stupid and ended up dead. The Dalton Bond girls provided sexy fanservice but they were also some mix of clever and/or spunky. Felix's wife was stuffed into the fridge but Felix got mangled too -- and her death wasn't sexualized, her clothing wasn't torn -- while Strawberry Fields was nude under that oil? The women in the Dalton Bond films are better and more memorable characters than the Craig Bond ones, they are actually more diverse in personality, and they did so much more with so little -- like Pushkin's wife or mistress who obviously cared for him and vice versa, she got out of her seat when Bond pushed Pushkin over. The bad guy's abused girlfriend in A License to Kill snuck Bond out by the side of her boat even after she was whipped last time for running off. In contrast all a bad guy's wife did at the beginning of Casino Royale was have sex with Bond and unwittingly let slip a clue, La Cliffe's GF was just there -- the Dalton Bond Girls actually have more Agency that Craig's Bond Girls.
Eva and Olga are among the best Bond girls, dunno what you're talking about
There are a few good things about the Craig era
1) the girls
2) Judi Dench
3) some of the car chases and stunts
But it's still the worst era
The big action scenes at the beginning of Casino Royale, on the crane, and the train top one at the beginning of Sky Fall -- it just doesn't do anything for me, the pacing is off, I don't feel excitement or tension -- in spite or especially when the James Bond theme came on, that felt like a forced laugh track. In contrast, I just watched Remains (2011), a very low budget zombie film based on a book by the same guy that wrote 30 Days of Night, even though the characters do stupid things too, it's much more watchable because it's understandable WHY the characters do stupid things: despair, cabin fever, jealousy -- that they weren't the kind of people who make good life decisions -- I felt tension throughout the way I don't with Craig's Bond -- I know he's going to live because he's James Bond, and I just don't feel his fear or worries -- this is especially so in the CR scene where Hannibal was whipping him in his balls.
King Rob might be able to explain that one
This comment is spot on, Daniel Craig has a nice looking body but I think he's actually the least sexiest Bond because he's charmless! Even when Roger Moore was an old clown he still had that English charms that makes ladies swoon at times. If I met Bond at a social setting I won't go near him at all, he came off as way too dangerously sociopathic -- Tim Dalton can be dangerous but he's also personable enough that non-insane women would still go off with him.
@patricklush4363
2 years ago
One of my biggest problems with the shift to a “darker, more realistic” tone is that it robs Bond of a unique identity. It feels less like a natural development for the series and more like a trend chasing attempt to “stay relevant.” Even some of newer comedic moments, such as in Spectre, come across as both contrary to the serious tone and embarrassing attempts to imitate Marvel comic book films. Although, in many ways, James Bond was never meant to outlive the Cold War and probably should have stayed there given how awkward efforts to include him in whatever modern geopolitical situation come across, especially when it now lacks his signature charm.
Eva Greene is a beautiful actress and she has excellent chemistry with Daniel Craig -- that's probably not hard with two attractive people...the problem is that her character is so generic, her death was so stupid, I think it would have been better if she didn't lock herself in the elevator and tried to get out but couldn't. I'm in the middle of watching Skyfall right now.
I don't think she had much chemistry with Craig at all, I think they were awful together. She looked great in that black dress and that was it. Otherwise she was a terrible Bond girl.
I can tell that she thinks Craig is hot and I can tell that he thinks she's hot and they are both hot -- and that is the only saving grace...especially since I just saw A License To Kill, Vesper came off like a cheap copy of Pam even though she was written first. It's kinda weird that no just in Bond, but in many modern supposingly feminist woke films, the women are actually worse written characters, less memorable, less agency, makes worse decision, AND are overall less capable. So far in Skyfall we have Lady Boss M makes callous bad calls and we have a Lady Sniper go along with it and end up shooting Bond (whereas in Living Daylight, Bond trusted his instinct and disobeyed order to shoot). I do like age gap flip with young Q though, and his interplay with Bond.
Finished watching Skyfall, so not only dos another Bond Girl dies, but female M dies as well, woke Bond is actually less friendly to women then classic sexist Bond. In The Living Daylights -- in spite of plenty of opportunity, nothing really bad ever happens to the female characters at all, Almost Rape didn't even get pass the threat before they got bonked -- and I think one of the understanding Bond have with Pushkin is that both of them are as much as possible chivalrous to women. In A License to Kill both the Bond girls made it out alive, the bad guy's girlfriend got whipped but she manage to survive betraying him, and ends with his riches and with some President.
Seriously, what a stupid way to die. In the Connery era we wouldn’t actually see her death and the movie would be better for it.
I think if they were going to go with dark Realism, they should have had Vesper desperately fighting to open the doors.
Skyfall is kino fuck off nerds
Fuck Skyfall, it's just a Batman Begins/Dark Knight ripoff, and not a proper Bond film. Introduces Q as some twink homosexual, who is so stupid that he just plugs something into the MI6 mainframe that the main villain gave them without even running McAfee on it LMAO
Urgh, I'm watching Skyfall now and I haven't got there yet, a boomer must have written that part of the script, or a Stacy. I didn't think Casino Royale was a proper Bond film, it felt like Jason Bourne. I think Craig Bond being in constant contact with headquarters ruin the feel.
twink Q was the only change I like, he cute
WOULD have been if the Sean Connery cameo had gone ahead. Such a shame.
Casino Royale was good though.
Who would Connery have been?
Banes Jomd
>paaawaaa pawaaa pawaawaaa, waa waaa, wawawa
Old guy during Home Alone. The whole idea was this was gonna be Connery for 50 Years of Bond and whatnot. Connery passed and they had some randomer instead.
Sean Connery is dead!?
I liked that dude, but would have been interesting if it was Sean Connery -- would feel like breaking the 4th wall though, especially since I've seen The Red October and I feel that like Al Pacino, he just plays the cool old guy in every movie.
Do old dudes like this exist IRL or are they the British equivalent of cowboys?
Skyfall has some good things about it, but the plot is retarded.
>Silva enacts a ridiculously convoluted scheme involving a stolen list of NATO agents and bombing MI6 and blah blah blah and Bond captures him
>BUT HE WANTED TO GET CAUGHT, because he wants to look M in the eyes one last time before he kills her (should've just called her up on Skype and then planted a bomb in her house)
>he then unveils his ACTUAL scheme to kill M, which is....to just walk into a room and shoot her
Skyfall kinda pick up half way through, so far with Craig Bond the big action scenes are no good because the pace is too fast, but the more realistic fight scenes feel better, like the one in the staircase in Casino Royale, and the one in Skyfall now where Bond suddenly slam someone with a suitcase.
I don't understand Craig hate. It's patchy and fell off hard, but so did every Bond period other than Connery's (and even Connery had Diamonds Are Forever).
James Bond is first and foremost a male power fantasy and beyond that it was a portrayal of the sort of wild pagan spirit that men would have to be recruited into work like this.
Strong anti hero types who like fucking and fighting, but in a more refined state. Bond being bossed around by an old lady and riding on the back of a scooter while a black woman drives him around is intentionally emasculating and ruins the entire point of the character. James Bond cannot exist in the current political climate that holds a monopoly on film, so hes now just a hollowed out husk that still engages in action, but the entire spirit is dead and because of this the movies are souless goyslop.
Its not that James Bond was ever some deep thing, but they did have a character to it that is long dead now.
seeing him drink Heineken in Skyfall made me angry, Bond is too much of a snob to drink a macrolager just like he's too much of a snob to play texas holdem
Stop getting Bond wrong!
I've always known plenty of women who watched James Bond because he's dashing though, summed up by the woman whose boat he parachuted on at the beginning of The Living Daylights. In this, I actually think James Bond was losing the female audience before they threw in the twink Q in Skyfall. Before, it was "The Spy Who Loved Me", now it's The Spy Who Left Me Dead, not very sexy.
The second half of Skyfall is actually good. Maybe I should rewatch Quantum of Solace, I saw that before Casino Royale a looooong time ago.
...also it's really hard for me to not root for the 'villain'. I don't think the M in A License To Kill would have done what she did, she's not a female version of him, she's a completely different character by that post.
Quantum is the one Daniel Craig Bond movie I like, I don't get the hate. It's short and brutal and fun and has great Bond girls and the car chase in the cold open is god-tier
i still haven't seen the last one and i doubt i ever will.
just feel apathy for craig bond
It's watchable, I honestly think Craig's performance as the character gets better with each movie. They're still not very good however, and the way No Time to Die subverts the classic formula is just so lazy and "look guys we did something differents!"
For Craig they didn't want to make actual Bond movies anymore, so they just made Bourne and Batman movies and put a character named James Bond into them. Casino Royale worked but everything after that was rubbish.
Classic Bond was basically just pornography
Christian groups thought it promoted infidelity and casual sex and apparently some theaters wouldn't allow kids in to see the Sean Connery films
Casual sex is fine as long as it's within marriage. If Bond had married every one of his women and raised a family with them, then he would be an acceptable role model. But he just nuts and bolts.
yeah it's kinda just booobs.
You could have just said they werent fun
kino
Magnificent blue tits!
I think of M in Skyfall as a villain, she handed Silva over to the Chinese to be tortured before 1997, so it was almost 20 years and Silva still looks so young -- mean that then he was like Q, but probably even younger, and an orphan to boot who did think of M as his mother, she's a monster.
EEK IT BROS
>That's right mr Bond
>we did it so you would give us the russian cryptography machine
>and we also sent a humiliation porno of you to the BBC
>and we'll get the MI6 cancelled for macroagressions against strong independent beautiful russian spy girls
>and I'm going to shoot you
Craig wouldn't have gotten out of this situation. He's a shit Bond.